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"If telling the truth marginalizes you, then that is the place to be. After all, if enough people are willing to be marginalized, then before you know it, society has developed a different center. This is the politics of truth."

E. Martin Schotz


"I've had enough of someone else's propaganda... I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such I'm for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole."

Malcolm X

"I am a passionate seeker after Truth and a not less passionate enemy of the malignant fictions used by the "Party of Order", the official representatives of all turpitudes, religious, metaphysical, political, judicial, economic, and social, present and past, to brutalise and enslave the world; I am a fanatical lover of Liberty; considering it as the only medium in which can develop intelligence, dignity, and the happiness of man..."

Mikhail Bakunin

"Tell all the Truth but tell it slant-/Success in Circuit lies/Too bright for our infirm Delight/The Truth's superb surprise/As Lightning to the Children eased/With explanation kind/The Truth must dazzle gradually/Or every man be blind-"

Emily Dickinson

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Harrit et al. Publish in Peer-reviewed Journal: Active Thermitic Material in WTC Dust

Submitted by casseia on Fri, 2009-04-03 21:42.

http://www.bentham.org/open/tocpj/openaccess2.htm

Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe
pp.7-31 (25) Authors: Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley, Bradley R. Larsen

doi: 10.2174/1874412500902010007

Abstract:

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Another disinfo angle - muddying the waters by blaming innocent groups with the real perps

Submitted by juandelacruz on Fri, 2009-04-03 00:37.

There really is a spring disinfo offensive. This one is weaving some of what we know about 9-11 truth with deliberate falsehoods. It popped up on our side bar under Google News.

Mossad complicity - check

CIA complicity - quite possibly

Mormon Church complicity - whoa

Who is this Doug Wallace?

9-11 AND THE MORMON-MOSSAD-CIA CONNECTION

by Doug Wallace

www.opednews.com

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Patsystan - How Fake Truthers Have Served to Justify Another Aggressive War Against Another Muslim Nation

Submitted by gretavo on Thu, 2009-04-02 18:55.

As the only Islamic nation in possession of nuclear weapons Pakistan is perceived as a barrier to both Israeli, American, and Indian hegemony in the region. So-called 9/11 truthers have used unproven allegations like the alleged transfer of $100,000 to Mohammed Atta from the ISI to implicate Pakistan in the attacks.

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"Core of Corruption": New 9/11 Documentary Corrupts the Core of 9/11 Truth With LIHOP

Submitted by gretavo on Thu, 2009-04-02 15:20.

This is an interesting film if only because it seems oblivious to its intrinsic contradiction. It begins with a long discussion of a LIHOP scenario and features LIHOPper extraordinaire Sander Hicks talking about how the U.S. government was protecting the "9/11 hijackers" - not "alleged hijackers" of course, because Sander Hicks, Jon Gold, and others who claim to be interested in the truth about 9/11 seem to believe that arabs and muslims are guilty until proven innocent.

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Spring 2009 LIHOP Offensive - Here they go again!

Submitted by gretavo on Thu, 2009-04-02 14:02.

The big question as our mounting pressure forces places like HuffPost to scramble to keep up in order to retain their credibility is whether what we are seeing is 1) an act of conscience driven by newfound courage or a calculation that exposing the truth is now safe or 2) the latest attempt at a limited hangout to preserve the Islamofascist myth.

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Huffington Post allows demand for 9-11 reinvestigation - But is it LIHOP Limited Hangout?

Submitted by gretavo on Thu, 2009-04-02 11:38.

Hope you don't mind Juan, I retitled and made this into a blog entry!  -gReT

 

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which will it be first, Iran or Pakistan?

Submitted by kate of the kiosk on Wed, 2009-04-01 12:32.

March 31, 2009

The message from Israel's new prime minister is stark: if the Obama administration doesn't prevent Tehran from developing nuclear weapons, Israel may be forced to attack.

An Atlantic exclusive

by Jeffrey Goldberg

Netanyahu to Obama: Stop Iran—Or I Will

 

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In NYT Interview Glenn Beck Implies Truthers Could Be Terrorists

Submitted by gretavo on Tue, 2009-03-31 14:18.

Every day it becomes more clear what the strategy behind the Alex Jones/Infowar style of fake truthing is. Recent fake truth darling Luke Rudkowski's melodramatic arrest mini-saga seems designed to trick honest truthers to rally around him as part of this. All of this has to be seen as part of the weaving of a narrative pretext to facilitate the framing of anything that might happen. Much of this has been done already--a case in point being the bizarre Ed Brown tax evasion drama which Luke Rudkowski injected himself into a couple of years back...

Glenn Beck in today's NYT:

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The Other Shoe Dropping: What is Behind Some Fake Truthers' Obsession With Pakistan?

Submitted by gretavo on Tue, 2009-03-31 01:40.

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Why Is 9/11 Judge Alvin Hellerstein Insisting That all the Abu Ghraib Photos Be Made Public?

Submitted by gretavo on Mon, 2009-03-30 15:00.
He believes that it is important for the world to witness atrocities committed against Muslims and Arabs.
29% (4 votes)
Something is needed to push more Arabs and Muslims to get angry and make it look like we need to ramp up the war against them.
14% (2 votes)
To make people forget about the CIA treatment of Gitmo detainees before he grants them a "national security" exemption.
7% (1 vote)
The second and third reasons.
50% (7 votes)
Total votes: 14
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in response to: 9/11 in Reverse: A Review of the Watchmen - The Indypendent

Submitted by gretavo on Mon, 2009-03-30 14:50.

 in response to: 9/11 in Reverse: A Review of the Watchmen - The Indypendent

Real Truther Says:
March 30th, 2009 at 9:38 am

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Fake Truthers Continue to Promote Racist Disinformation at 911Blogger

Submitted by gretavo on Sat, 2009-03-28 13:12.

One could argue that whoever posted this (the user Nobodyparticular) at 911B liked how it talked about how Osama was not only probably dead and a convenient bogeyman but even that Osama likely had little to nothing to do with 9/11.  Indeed, the author of the Spectator piece cites much the same reasons truthers do for doubting the authenticity of the case against Osama--the faked tapes, etc. 

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Documentation of Judge Hellerstein Rulings on 9/11 Litigation

Submitted by gretavo on Fri, 2009-03-27 15:51.

http://www1.nysd.uscourts.gov/cases.php?form=sept11

September 11th Litigation Cases

Information for Counsel in September 11 Litigation

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Jon Gold admits Israel is a suspect for 9-11

Submitted by juandelacruz on Fri, 2009-03-27 12:31.

You gotta read this!

http://www.911blogger.com/node/19694

them limited hangout types are in desperate fall back positions.

JG: "Israel...Has earned the title of suspect for the crimes of 9/11, to a lesser extent than elements within the U.S. Government, but have earned it nevertheless. This story is relevant in that it shows just what people in Israel's Government are capable of. It's like showing a story having to do with some of the atrocities we take part in... to show people just what elements within our Government are capable of..."

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Do you believe in climate change science?

Submitted by juandelacruz on Thu, 2009-03-26 08:12.
Am already relocating to higher ground
13% (4 votes)
I believe in it but am too busy to do anything
3% (1 vote)
I don't care either way
0% (0 votes)
I doubt it till I see more proof it is real
28% (9 votes)
It's a conspiracy by the NWO
56% (18 votes)
Total votes: 32
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Internet censorship: Wikileaks domain owner raided

Submitted by juandelacruz on Thu, 2009-03-26 01:38.

I found this blog entry from another site interesting and
foreboding. The story starts in Australia, where some child porn sites are censored by the government by issuing a secret list of banned sites to ISP's. Wikileaks (based in Sweden) published the list, angering some officials. German police then raided the home of the Wikileaks domain owner.

http://sydwalker.info/blog/2009/03/25/wikileaks-the-jackboots-roll/

Wikileaks: the Jackboots roll

By Syd Walker on Wednesday, March 25th 2009

Last week was most eventful for Wikileaks, the international anti-censorship website.

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Arundhati Roy: Mumbai Was Not 9/11, But 9/11 WAS 9/11

Submitted by gretavo on Wed, 2009-03-25 17:16.
In this article Roy, a darling of the controlled left, actually comes close to alleging false flags conducted by India's sekrit services, but proceeds to help prop up the dying 9/11 fraud. 

9 is not 11 - Aljazeera.com

 

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More people who deserve to know why their loved ones died...

Submitted by 9-11 Family Guy on Wed, 2009-03-25 14:09.
Hopefully this information that Judge Hellerstein will agree to release will show exactly how the al Qaeda hijackers managed to sneak their box cutters onto the plane.  I'm pretty sure Pakistan was involved in that.  Thank God for these blessed family members holding out so we can get the TRUTH! 

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The Kos-Brand Deniers and Fake Truth Movement Begin Their Convergence...

Submitted by gretavo on Tue, 2009-03-24 20:50.

Jon Gold could've written the comment in bold...

for more on the history of 9/11 Denial at Kos, see: http://wtcdemolition.com/blog/node/1410

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/3/16/709036/-9-11-Report-Facts-Obtain...

9/11 Report Facts Obtained From Tortured Prisoners
by Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse
Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 06:47:36 PM PDT

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amazing what "men" can come up with when they really put their minds to it...

Submitted by kate of the kiosk on Tue, 2009-03-24 11:54.

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