Spring 2009 LIHOP Offensive - Here they go again!
The big question as our mounting pressure forces places like HuffPost to scramble to keep up in order to retain their credibility is whether what we are seeing is 1) an act of conscience driven by newfound courage or a calculation that exposing the truth is now safe or 2) the latest attempt at a limited hangout to preserve the Islamofascist myth.
Knowing for certain whether it is 1) or 2) is not nearly as important as what many of the commenters on HuffPost are doing which is to use the opportunity to immediately, carefully, and consistently bring to light the kinds of evidence like the demolition of the WTC and the lack of credible evidence of genuine "hijackings by arab muslim terrorists" that are at odds with a LIHOP scenario. And yes, we should put the term LIHOP front and center because what worked in the movement will work in the mainstream--marginalizing as out of touch with the facts those who persist in assigning responsibility for 9/11 to "Bush/Cheney and al Qaeda" as a unit, since this is precisely the kind of framing that would seem to appeal most to the powers that be who are now "on Obama's side against terrorism".
All our work as real truthers has been with this goal in mind--to prevent the inevitable exposure of the truth from being taken off the rails into some bogus LIHOP-land of limited hangout and fresh new myths. *Our* time, in other other words, is coming!
here's some juicy LIHOP going on at dKos!
And it does seem like there are plenty of "kossacks" who also know about the demolitions, so that at this point the limited hangout is past its expiration date! Lovely to see, but we still need a few more pushes before the boulder starts rolling down the hill on its own!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/9/23/785500/-FBI-Whistleblower-says-Neocons-Negotiated-Iraq-Invasion-with-Foreign-Agents-in-Summer-2001
Neocons knew something was happening on 9/11 (17+ / 7-)
And that extends to Bush and Cheney. No doubt in my mind.
Everything the Man of Steele touches turns to Kryptonite.
by PorridgeGun on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 11:50:54 AM PDT
their Reichstag Fire? nt (13+ / 2-)
by Concern Troll on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 11:54:37 AM PDT
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Whoever troll rated you seems unaware that (13+ / 0-)
there is a controversy among historians about whether the Nazis did or consciously allowed the Reichstag Fire, or they simply took advantage of a convenient event.
They assume you meant the former.
I would like to know how they know what you meant.
The influence of the [executive] has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished.
by lysias on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 12:01:08 PM PDT
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I'm unfamiliar with that controversy (4+ / 0-)
I'm under the assumption that the Nazi's did start the fire themselves, in order to justify their aggression. Politicians understand that they cannot take violent action without a justifying event (causus belli). Unprovoked aggression is universally condemned, even at the national level.
by Concern Troll on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 12:10:54 PM PDT
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That Good Enough For You, O Speaker for (2+ / 0-)
...historians?
Now that the commentor in question has in fact CONFIRMED that he's explicitly accusing banned, CT, I assume you'll be removing your rec and adding a donut (if you have one to add).
Free Beer, Hot Wings, Eric Zane, Producer Joe, and Steve For President. OK Not Steve, but he can be chauffer or something.
by TooFolkGR on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 12:12:32 PM PDT
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I don't have anymore (0+ / 0-)
I hate to drop them anyway, but that looks like LIHOP and I actually don't care if Bush confesses tomorrow as long as brother Kos don't like it here I regret I don't have a donut to drop.
Fox is America's Radio Rwanda.
by Adept2u on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 12:21:22 PM PDT
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Catch me later (0+ / 0-)
I love donuts. You can give me one later on an unrelated post. Old fashioned are my favorites.
I promise I won't complain to kos either (I gave you permission).
by Concern Troll on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 02:33:20 PM PDT
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Does it matter who set the fire? (3+ / 0-)
Either way the Nazis ruthlessly exploited it for their own purposes.
by Concern Troll on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 02:29:42 PM PDT
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Didn't Goering admit that he had it done ? (0+ / 0-)
by Azazello on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 12:14:27 PM PDT
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Gulf of Tonkin evidence VS The Wall (1+ / 0-)
Health is the first requisite after morality - T. Jefferson
by OHdog on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 07:20:35 PM PDT
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So I'm uprating you for what seems to me (12+ / 0-)
to be an abusive HR.
The influence of the [executive] has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished.
by lysias on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 12:02:09 PM PDT
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i'm thinking that the HR have to do (5+ / 0-)
with the CT leanings of those two comments. CT about 911 are strictly forbidden around here.
I will set big goals for this country as president - some so large that the technology to reach them does not yet exist-B. Obama
by UTvoter on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 12:31:57 PM PDT
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Yes (18+ / 0-)
It's one of the reasons I don't come around here too often anymore.
If Gore had been in charge on 911 the GOP would have left nary a twig unturned on the Dems, like they did to Clinton on Whitewater and Obama during the election. The GOP went after Kerry, a decorated veteran, on his war record. The GOP goes right after the heart of their opponents story.
911 is the heart of the conservative story and dkos cedes it to them because they fear what the villagers will say. It's stupid. It's bad strategy.
You don't need to accept every fool theory about 911 to have some serious questions about how and why the Bushies conducted themselves around that event.
by Concern Troll on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 12:47:36 PM PDT
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Spoken like a true concern troll. (6+ / 0-)
/snark
Have to agree there. Was just thinking the same thing.
Democracy - 1 person 1 vote. Free Markets - More dollars more power.
by k9disc on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 01:09:39 PM PDT
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I have to agree with this. Sorry, Kos & Meteor B. (1+ / 0-)
The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war.
by lotlizard on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 10:48:11 PM PDT
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Bush looked clueless reading "My Pet Goat" (6+ / 0-)
Cheney's evil as the devil but we still need solid evidence before making extraordinary claims.
look for my DK Greenroots diary series Wednesday evening. "It's the planet, stupid."
by FishOutofWater on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 11:59:42 AM PDT
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Plausible Deniability... (4+ / 0-)
and, he actually always was clueless!
Naam!! Tunaweza!!
by bogbud on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 12:05:13 PM PDT
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Rimshot. nt (0+ / 0-)
The truth is we are tortured by the truth.
by walkshills on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 01:32:18 PM PDT
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Bush thought Cheney (5+ / 0-)
was his pet goat. Only when it was too late did he discover that his pet goat was the cloven footed overlord of darkness and his master for eternity!!! Bwahaahahhahhahhaa!
The future will be better tomorrow. -D.Quayle
by word player on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 12:17:38 PM PDT
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He ALWAYS looked clueless,... (2+ / 0-)
...even when he knew what he was talking about, which wasn't often.
Half-baked ideas for sale - cheap!
by Steaming Pile on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 12:49:38 PM PDT
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IMHO, he looked more than clueless -- (2+ / 0-)
he looked shocked into immobility.
I'm not sure what that means.
When I heard the news about the first plane going into the first tower, I ran to the radio, to the internet, and started praying for the relatives and friends and relatives and friends of friends who worked there.
I'm not a super active person.
But I was not shocked into immobility by the news, just plain shocked and scared and angry.
Then again, it did not happen "on my watch."
Anyone else?
"So, Pal, now tell me: What did YOU do to help the least among your people?" "Well, ummm, Mr. God, Sir..."
by lurkersince03 on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 01:55:12 PM PDT
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Bush said he saw the *first* plane hit on TV. (0+ / 0-)
I still find that extremely odd.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/...
The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war.
by lotlizard on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 10:51:50 PM PDT
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No, no, no (14+ / 0-)
it was a TOTAL surprise. Just like they said.
Things just happened to play out in a way that exactly fit the plans they had in Iraq and Afghanistan along the same timeline anyway.
Fortune apparently favors the "incompetent" that way.
(eyeroll)
If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn
by rhetoricus on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 12:09:41 PM PDT
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as a matter of fact... (9+ / 0-)
...neocon think tanks took a clue from the Pentagon and developed scenarios & plans for every possible contingency.
Then any time "something" happened, they could pull down the notebook on the most similar scenario, and follow the game plan.
Terrorist attack? Expand executive power by doing X, Y, and Z.
Anything destabilizing having to do with the Middle East? Plausible excuse to attack Iraq.
Major natural disaster? Clear out the n-----s and turn the land over to our pals to develop into a high-rent district.
War? Goodie!, here's the list of snouts that ought to be lined up & ready at the trough.
Etc.
by G2geek on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 01:05:36 PM PDT
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Shock Doctrine 101 (3+ / 0-)
..indeed.
Capitalize upon natural misfortunes and strife, and if misfortune doesn't come in a timely enough fashion, well, manufacture some.
If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn
by rhetoricus on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 01:11:40 PM PDT
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PS (3+ / 0-)
for awhile there, the Pentagon WAS a neocon think tank.
If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn
by rhetoricus on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 01:12:16 PM PDT
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If Snark means to say the opposite of what you (0+ / 0-)
mean, will people TR you for that comment?
Just askin'...
Can "we" donut for irony?
"So, Pal, now tell me: What did YOU do to help the least among your people?" "Well, ummm, Mr. God, Sir..."
by lurkersince03 on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 01:56:21 PM PDT
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Few people donut (1+ / 0-)
..for things that are sorta-maybe-implied through snark (because of the overkill factor) but it doesn't mean nobody COULD.
If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn
by rhetoricus on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 02:13:10 PM PDT
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It was a rhetoricus question, but thanks anyway. (1+ / 0-)
eom
"So, Pal, now tell me: What did YOU do to help the least among your people?" "Well, ummm, Mr. God, Sir..."
by lurkersince03 on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 04:42:04 PM PDT
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The forbidden acronym - LIHOP (7+ / 0-)
That's the theory we aren't supposed to discuss here.
Waiting for the dinner bell to do the bell thing
by dinnerbell on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 12:17:47 PM PDT
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right (4+ / 0-)
because its 100% idiotic and that idiocy rubs off on the reputations of anyone who frequents the site. ludicrous conspiracy talk is banned for a very good reason.
Seek you change the be.
by itsbenj on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 12:54:29 PM PDT
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Besides, There Is Inconvenient Science We Cant (1+ / 0-)
deal with here. Scientific evidence and debate of facts that we expressly forbid for the good of the community.
Strictly forbidden to look at this information. So dont say anything.
by Euripides9 on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 05:47:26 PM PDT
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No (2+ / 0-)
The reason those theories aren't discussed is because there no scientific evidence to support them. This site requires evidence.
by Mia Dolan on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 07:18:16 PM PDT
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Better to ignore than inflame (nt) (0+ / 0-)
by DeepLooker on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:56:54 AM PDT
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thanks (0+ / 0-)
exactly. some people just shut their brains off when they talk about this issue. it's weird, I don't get it.
Seek you change the be.
by itsbenj on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 06:40:19 AM PDT
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You said it, I didn't ;) (1+ / 0-)
Save the parrots: Drink shade-grown coffee!
by oscarsmom on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 02:35:25 PM PDT
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Who is Mia Dolan? That hack
Who is Mia Dolan? That hack has been at it for years, at KOS and other neolib sites.