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For all its problems with the insincere among its ranks, the real truth movement is the one peopled by the vast, honest majority who believe the events of 9/11 must be subjected to the closest scrutiny possible if we are to learn from this dark chapter in world history. This site is for every real "truther" out there.


"If telling the truth marginalizes you, then that is the place to be. After all, if enough people are willing to be marginalized, then before you know it, society has developed a different center. This is the politics of truth."

E. Martin Schotz

"I've had enough of someone else's propaganda... I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such I'm for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole."

Malcolm X

"I am a passionate seeker after Truth and a not less passionate enemy of the malignant fictions used by the "Party of Order", the official representatives of all turpitudes, religious, metaphysical, political, judicial, economic, and social, present and past, to brutalise and enslave the world; I am a fanatical lover of Liberty; considering it as the only medium in which can develop intelligence, dignity, and the happiness of man..."

Mikhail Bakunin

"Tell all the Truth but tell it slant-/Success in Circuit lies/Too bright for our infirm Delight/The Truth's superb surprise/As Lightning to the Children eased/With explanation kind/The Truth must dazzle gradually/Or every man be blind-"

Emily Dickinson

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New Paul Craig Roberts Column is a Must Read!

The neoconservatives have rewritten US war doctrine to permit preemptive US nuclear attack on non-nuclear countries . They have demonized Iran as the greatest threat since Hitler. Neoconservatives have invented "Islamofascism," something that exists only in the neoconservative propaganda used to instill in Americans hatred of Muslims. The neoconservatives have dehumanized Muslims as monsters who must be destroyed at all costs. Recent statements by neoconservative leaders such as Norman Podhoretz read like the ravings of ignorant lunatics. Podhoretz has written Muslims out of the human race. He demands that their culture be deracinated.

read the whole thing at: http://www.vdare.com/roberts/070611_threat.htm

One question-- Why does Paul Craig Roberts allow his columns to be published by Counterpunch, given that CP's editors are anti-Truth and censor his 9/11 related columns?

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The Googlian Knot

This is something I wrote before Google went public... a comment on the recent open thread at 911B about Google censorship and their "do no evil" motto prompted me to repost...

Thursday, August 12, 2004

The Googlian Knot

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WTCDEMO Exclusive Scoop! The Nation to run hit piece linking 9/11 Truth Movement to Right Wing

OK so I decided to sit in Harvard Square for a while after work today with my truth now sign and some pamphlets. A kid, maybe 17 or 18, wearing a red Che shirt stops to chat.

He tells me he has a friend who is an intern for the Nation and that he is working on a piece that will "expose" the ties between the 9/11 Truth movement to the right wing. He mentioned specifically "that movie you have coming out", and playing dumb I said "what movie? we have lots..." Loose Change, he said.


Well, I told him, I don't really think Loose Change is necessarily legit so it wouldn't surprise me, and proceeded to explain to him that there was a real truth movement and a fake one. And you're part of the real one he said. Yup.

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Why is there no room to question Israel – even when it kills Americans – in the halls of Congress?

Time for the truth about the Liberty

By Ward Boston Jr.
June 8, 2007

Forty years ago this week, I was asked to investigate the heaviest attack on an American ship since World War II. As senior legal counsel to the Navy Court of Inquiry, it was my job to help uncover the truth regarding Israel's June 8, 1967, bombing of the Navy intelligence ship Liberty.

On that sunny, clear day 40 years ago, Israel's combined air and naval forces attacked the Liberty for two hours, inflicting 70 percent casualties. Thirty-four American sailors died, and 172 were injured. The Liberty remained afloat only by the crew's heroic efforts.

Israel claimed it was an accident. Yet I know from personal conversations with the late Adm. Isaac C. Kidd – president of the Court of Inquiry – that President Lyndon Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered him to conclude that the attack was a case of “mistaken identity.”

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Are most 9/11 truthers aware enough of the various disinfo ploys?

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10%ers, Exponential Growth, and the "coming out" process OR Is 9/11 Truth the New Gay?

I know the title sounds queer--not that there's anything wrong with sounding queer, mind you--but think about it. We're often told we are guilty as truthers of inflating our numbers. Well suppose the relatively conservative Scripps Howard/Ohio Univeristy poll that found (whether it is dsinfo or not) 36% or so Americans doubting the official story is a gross overestimate and the real figure was closer to ten percent.

That would make truthing on par with homosexuality -- 10% of the population in other words who are "out" to some people and not to others, and others who are out to everyone. The difference is that the 90% believers in the OCT will actually appear to each other to be spreading a communicable disease and witch hunts could ensue.

Anyway in the case of gay activism, the meaning of pride is to be proud and open about what you are--i.e. don't be ashamed or frightened--tell the world!

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the timing of movie releases--what might content analysis reveal about the general state of consciousness during 2001?

1 Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone Warner Bros. $317,575,550
2 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring New Line $313,364,114
3 Shrek DreamWorks $267,665,011
4 Monsters, Inc. Buena Vista $255,873,250
5 Rush Hour 2 New Line $226,164,286
6 The Mummy Returns Universal $202,019,785
7 Pearl Harbor Buena Vista $198,542,554
8 Ocean's Eleven Warner Bros. $183,417,150
9 Jurassic Park III Universal $181,171,875
10 Planet of the Apes Fox $180,011,740
11 A Beautiful Mind Universal $170,742,341
12 Hannibal MGM $165,092,268
13 American Pie 2 Universal $145,103,595
14 The Fast and the Furious Universal $144,533,925
15 Lara Croft: Tomb Raider Paramount $131,168,070
16 Dr. Dolittle 2 Fox $112,952,899
17 Spy Kids Miramax $112,719,001
18 Black Hawk Down Sony $108,638,745
19 The Princess Diaries Buena Vista $108,248,956
20 Vanilla Sky Paramount $100,618,344
21 The Others Miramax $96,522,687
22 Legally Blonde MGM $96,520,674

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Comic Relief

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Christopher Bollyn arrest drama - genuine or staged to make the truth movement look bad?

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Testing, testing – the trial of Reporter Christopher Bollyn - Comment by Lazlo Toth on 911Blogger

Oral testimonies gathered together in “They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45” by Milton Mayer (University of Chicago Press) -- a book of first-hand accounts by people who lived through the Hitler era – point out that the same EXACT PATTERN of events and processes (physical as well as psychological) that occurred in Germany during that dark era are now visibly occurring in the United States and Canada. It is a process described by Germans who lived through that time as “the gradual habituation of the people.” They turn the heat up on the pot in small gradual increments, testing you and getting you accustomed to things that several years ago would have made you recoil in shock or disgust – FEMA prison camps, torture, pre-emptive war, false-flag terror, rigged elections, the dismantling of the Constitution, etc. Having mentioned this, I must point out that the current trial of independent journalist Christopher Bollyn is being used as a test case.

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Global Warmingâ„¢ - Hoax or Hot Potato?

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The quest for the truth about 9/11 is for most of us the most challenging thing we have ever undertaken.  Thankfully, history is full of remarkable individuals whose wisdom serves us well.  Feeling down?  Here's some chicken soup for the truther soul...  Those with "book" listed in their create content section (left column at the bottom) should feel free to add stuff here!  feel free, you can't break it!!

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Should Annoymice be tolerated?

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Sunday Morning Reflection

Just thought I would bring everyone up to speed on the goings on. wtcdemolition now has a wiki and (as well you know, cheeky monkeys!) a blog.

these additions have nothing to do with the recent dust up over at 911blogger, which this time I had nothing to do with... :) Trying to live under one big tent is hard and we should be encouraging, not discouraging, spreading out the movement over as broad a range of media and venues as possible. This is one small step for a blogger, but a giant leap for the truth movement.

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This is from last year when it was much less clear how much of an impact, if any, we were making.

Friends, we know the damage caused to our nation and to countless innocent people by McCarthyism. We know that when we let ourselves be divided we become vulnerable to to those with ill intentions. Many people wonder if we are right about 9-11, why then has no one "of importance" come out to take our side.

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Howdy folks!

Anyone wanna talk about 9/11?

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Who is your favorite 9/11 author?

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