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For all its problems with the insincere among its ranks, the real truth movement is the one peopled by the vast, honest majority who believe the events of 9/11 must be subjected to the closest scrutiny possible if we are to learn from this dark chapter in world history. This site is for every real "truther" out there.

 

"If telling the truth marginalizes you, then that is the place to be. After all, if enough people are willing to be marginalized, then before you know it, society has developed a different center. This is the politics of truth."

E. Martin Schotz


"I've had enough of someone else's propaganda... I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such I'm for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole."

Malcolm X

"I am a passionate seeker after Truth and a not less passionate enemy of the malignant fictions used by the "Party of Order", the official representatives of all turpitudes, religious, metaphysical, political, judicial, economic, and social, present and past, to brutalise and enslave the world; I am a fanatical lover of Liberty; considering it as the only medium in which can develop intelligence, dignity, and the happiness of man..."

Mikhail Bakunin

"Tell all the Truth but tell it slant-/Success in Circuit lies/Too bright for our infirm Delight/The Truth's superb surprise/As Lightning to the Children eased/With explanation kind/The Truth must dazzle gradually/Or every man be blind-"

Emily Dickinson

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Hollywood, D.C. (No Recall)

Submitted by Lazlo Toth on Sat, 2008-02-23 23:53.

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This is something from back in the days of Iran-Contra I did on a four track. Check out Senator Daniel Inouye at the end...

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ripple

Submitted by Tahooey on Sat, 2008-02-23 22:33.

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here's an old song i recorded today, more in the folk vein than my usual endeavors. hope someone will enjoy listening as much as i enjoyed playing it.

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If you HAD to pick one to torment you...

Submitted by gretavo on Sat, 2008-02-23 16:58.
John "Straight-talk Express" McCain, Author of Foreword to Popular Mechanics Book on 9/11
6% (1 vote)
Hillary "Married to Bill" Clinton, top campaign donor: one Lawrence Silverstein
31% (5 votes)
Barack "Colin Powell" Obama, Man of Mystery and charisma. Oprah's mancrush. From out of nowhere and just reaaam! right in....?
63% (10 votes)
Total votes: 16
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What Did ZB Know About the WTC Demolition and When Did He Know It?

Submitted by gretavo on Sat, 2008-02-23 16:49.
See what you think of this story... is it me or is there just not that much linking radical Islam and Zbgniew Brezinski to what happened on 9/11/01?  I mean it's certainly good and well and interesting to know the reality about radical Islamism that does exist and has been manipulated by the US (and others) in the past.  The links to the demolition of the WTC however are tenuous since they rely on the veracity of an implausible hijacking scenario that has all the hallmarks of a frame-up.
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If God asks you to harm another human being should you do it?

Submitted by gretavo on Sat, 2008-02-23 07:27.
Yes, if you're quite sure it's God, because he would only do it for a good reason.
36% (5 votes)
You should, to avoid going to hell, but you should feel guilty about it.
0% (0 votes)
You shouldn't because you can never be sure the devil isn't tricking you again.
7% (1 vote)
No God worth worshipping would ever condone one human being harming another.
57% (8 votes)
Total votes: 14
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spacerover

Submitted by Tahooey on Sat, 2008-02-23 06:26.

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OK here is something original i dug from the hard drive. It's friday night, get your incense burners out... and maybe this will inspire you.

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if we tap it, they will come

Submitted by gretavo on Sat, 2008-02-23 01:18.


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Now that gold flirts with the $1,000 mark, it is time to talk of Reparations:

Submitted by Lazlo Toth on Fri, 2008-02-22 23:29.

Nathan Chofshi – Jewish immigrant to Palestine from Russia. Came to Palestine in 1908 with the same group as David Ben Gurion. Regarding the popular Israeli historic myth of the “voluntary fleeing of the Arabs,” Chofshi, back in ’59, debunked an American Zionist rabbi on this issue, writing: “If Rabbi Kaplan really wanted to know what happened, we old Jewish settlers in Palestine who witnessed the flight could tell him how and in what manner we, Jews, forced the Arabs to leave cities and villages ... Here was a people who lived on its own land for 1,300 years.

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You Tell Me...

Submitted by gretavo on Fri, 2008-02-22 23:26.

What's going on here... :)


http://americanhistory.si.edu/september11/tellyourstory/index.asp

http://911digitalarchive.org/smithsonian/

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Another Gem From "Diane the New York Activist"

Submitted by gretavo on Fri, 2008-02-22 18:34.

Let's just jump right in...

Be that as it may, another issue that has come up is comment of yours on the WTCD site, as quoted here by Col. Jenny Sparks. That comment can be interpreted a few different ways. Do you now reject the 9/11 Truth movement as a whole, or just the demolition dogmatists? The way you refer to “the troothers,” you do come across as someone who has rejected the movement as a whole.

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What percentage of your immediate family and friends (people you talk to at least once a week) are still believers in the OCT?

Submitted by gretavo on Fri, 2008-02-22 17:26.
90-100%
44% (8 votes)
70-89%
6% (1 vote)
50-69%
17% (3 votes)
25-49%
22% (4 votes)
0-24%
11% (2 votes)
Total votes: 18
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The 1953 Attack on the West Bank Village of Qibya

Submitted by Lazlo Toth on Thu, 2008-02-21 22:08.

From the Annals of Forbidden Israeli History:
The 1953 Attack on the West Bank Village of Qibya

INTRODUCTION

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gyrl

Submitted by gretavo on Thu, 2008-02-21 21:28.

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a different take, much better for remixing (kof kof) :)

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Truthaction Shills Discuss Ways of Manipulating Google Rank

Submitted by gretavo on Thu, 2008-02-21 17:57.

"Col. Jenny Sparks" has come up with the brilliant idea that everyone should have a 9/11 Truth blog, and that they should link to each other like the no-planers do so as to boost their google rank... do y'all think the TA people EVER do any real world truthing?

http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3068

Arabesque
Joined: 08 Jul 2007
Posts: 292

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:37 am Post subject:

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Excellent post...

Everyone should have a 9/11 blog.

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What LIHOP-peddling Fake Truthers are Excited About These Days...

Submitted by gretavo on Thu, 2008-02-21 17:43.

http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3079

To the Editor:

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Good Speech on Muslim/Israeli Double Standard by Cynthia McKinney

Submitted by gretavo on Wed, 2008-02-20 18:28.
I left a truth comment--no registration necessary, go for it people!

 

Framing Muslims and Locking Up Their Money - Black Agenda Report

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Norman Finkelstein Speaks at CSU-Northridge

Submitted by casseia on Wed, 2008-02-20 16:24.

I found this via a link at Portland indymedia and, poking around a little bit, got the impression that "The Sundial" is a paper put out by CSUN students in conjunction with local highschool students, which may explain some of the minor errors, which I haven't bothered to fix.

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WTCD Honcho Declares War On Error

Submitted by gretavo on Tue, 2008-02-19 23:52.

A honcho at the mainstream 9/11 truth site wtcdemolition.com has issued a declaration of war against the pernicious error that plagues the site. The honcho, not identified as the head honcho, tail honcho, or a honcho in between, declared the error persona-non-grata and exhorted site users to report its activities, suspicious or not, to the war council (comprised of gretavo and RT) for prosecution.

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CIA Spends Hundreds of Millions, Catches No Terrorists

Submitted by gretavo on Tue, 2008-02-19 16:23.

Goshdarnit! WHERE ARE ALL THE JIHADIS?!

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-intel17feb17,1,7973...

CIA's ambitious post-9/11 spy plan crumbles

'Fox News Sunday'

ADAPTATION: Rep. Peter Hoekstra, R-Mich., says: “I don’t believe the intelligence community has made the fundamental shift in how it operates to adapt to the different targets that are out there."

The agency spent millions setting up front companies overseas to snag terrorists. Officials now say the bogus firms were ill-conceived and not close enough to Muslim enclaves.

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University of Tennessee Student Newspaper Publishes Truther's Letter

Submitted by gretavo on Tue, 2008-02-19 16:19.

If only other schools' papers would be as brave...

http://dailybeacon.utk.edu/showarticle.php?articleid=52914

Alternative explanations for 9/11 deserve to be heard
A Letter -
Tuesday, February 19, 2008 issue
Click here to print

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