Another Gem From "Diane the New York Activist"

Let's just jump right in...
Be that as it may, another issue that has come up is comment of yours on the WTCD site, as quoted here by Col. Jenny Sparks. That comment can be interpreted a few different ways. Do you now reject the 9/11 Truth movement as a whole, or just the demolition dogmatists? The way you refer to “the troothers,†you do come across as someone who has rejected the movement as a whole.
We adhere dogmatically to the truth, yes.
But the people on the WTCD site are a particularly repulsively dogmatic bunch.
And you are one of the most obvious disinfo tools to appear in a long time--where were you for the first 6 years of the truth movement? And now you think you can come in and convince anyone you are legit?Â
They do not represent the 9/11 Truth movement as a whole.
We don't represent the truth movement. We ARE the truth movement. The real one, that is, not the one created by the perps' apologists in a transparent attempt to shift blame from themselves onto any number of fal guys or patsies.
They too have been banned from the Truth Action forum, as you may or may not have noticed. (If I recall correctly, they were banned for calling just about everyone who disagreed with them “shills.â€)
You do not recall correctly. If you were right then there would be no one on that site since everyone cals everyone who doesn't agree with them shills. the difference is that some accusations are accurate and therefore must be censored. This happened at 911Blogger last summer after which we were ENCOURAGED to go to Truthaction (on which I was one of the first registered users, mind you.) Back then it was Jon Gold who was crying about being disagreed with. Now he posts on Truth action, since his critics (us) have been safely dismissed.Â
And not everyone in the 9/11 Truth movement believes in the WTC demolition hypothesis. Some well-known leading figures, such as Jon Gold, don’t advocate the WTC demolition hypothesis at all.
A well known leading figure? Ha! A well known sycophant who is definitely NOT representative of mainstream 9/11 truthers. "Jon Gold"  is an anagram for " JDL Goon", and that shoe fits him very well given his strident defense of Larry Silverstein.Â
Anyhow, I agree with the careful, scholarly approach that you urged in that comment of yours on the WTCD site. I just don’t like the name-calling (â€troothersâ€) and the impression that you’ve thrown out the baby with the bathwater as far as the 9/11 Truth movement is concerned.
So I would appreciate a clarification as to your overall views now.
Everyone would appreciate your keeping your disinfo shtick to yourself, "Diane".
I’ll now summarize my own views at the present time.
Oh boy...
First, I would say we can be sure that both George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld are, at the very least, guilty of criminal negligence. (See my posts Bush at Booker School on the morning of 9/11 and George Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers: Their whereabouts on 9/11.) There are reasons to suspect they may be guilty of far worse than criminal negligence, but that is much less certain.
Criminal negligence? Uhhh, incompetence theory, Diane? What is this, 2002?
Another thing we can be sure of is that the 9/11 Commission was compromised by conflicts of interest. Related to that, there were whistleblowers who were not heard, who claim there was a lot more foreknowledge than has been admitted in any variant of the official story. It is clear that there was a coverup of some kind, although we don’t know what was covered up.
Foreknowledge of WHAT? There were no hijackings. There were planes flown by remote control into the twin towers, a bomb at the Pentagon, and three skyscrapers controlled by larry Silverstein demolished. Where were the warnings about any of that Diane?
It is clear, too, that we’ve been lied to about air defense. However, as far as I am aware, no one has yet done the detailed research necessary to establish a baseline for expected performance of the air defense system.
You don't seem to have read any of David Griffin's books. He shows the many problems with the official accounts of air defense performance. He shows quite conclusively that the FAA reported all anomalous activity with time to respond to the military. The system moreover would seem to have performed worse than it actually did since in fact only two planes were actually missed, since AA77 and UA93 were not in fact genuine flights (or planes)
So, it has not yet been definitively proven that the system performed below par, although there are strong reasons to suspect that it did perform below par. (See The lack of air defense in my post My main reasons for being suspicious about 9/11.)
You push the "lack of air defense" angle because it presupposes and implicitly supports the OCT on the subject of hijackings (that I will remind you never happened)
As far as the WTC buildings are concerned, I would now classify myself as a “demolition agnostic.†It seems unlikely to me that WTC 7, in particular, collapsed due just to fire and structural damage. However, what I previously thought of as the strongest evidence for the demolition hypothesis has recently been called into question. (See various recent posts.)
You can pretend to have doubts Diane, but no one cares, since you are obviously either very stupid (you don't sound it) or very dishonest (ding ding ding!)
If indeed there was government complicity in the 9/11 attacks, there was a very clear motive. (See The war in Afghanistan in my post My main reasons for being suspicious about 9/11.)
Not government complicity, Diane--Neocon complicity in conjunction with New York Zionist complicity in conjunction with Mossad complicity is the more likely scenario as you well know.
In any case, a new and truly independent investigation is clearly called for.
Which you should have absolutely nothing to do with since you and alleged truthers like Jon Gold do NOT have any interest in the REAL truth coming out, only a distorted and misleading version that leaves any and all Zionist agency out of the picture. You should be ashamed of yourself--you are a very bad person.
What do you think?
I think you should stop obstructing justice for the 9/11 perps, because you will not get away with it. Your act as an anonymous newbie who pretends to be open-minded only to find evidence "unconvincing" is as transparent as your support for the widely disliked and rightly mistrusted Jon Gold.
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"Gem"... LOL.
I read that & can't help laughing at the thought - no matter how much you polish a turd, it's still just a phucking turd.
Lawd, Lawd, Lawdie, Gretavo.
RT of WTCD-TV – “He reads all this shill shite, spends valuable time exposing the ‘nakedness of the king’ in their ‘arguments’—and I use the term loosely—so we don’t have to.â€
Send it by Marketing, see what they think.
“Diane the New York Activist.†She’s a fucking riot. I picked up on all of her shite from the first blog onward. Fairly obvious too. No highly-trained spidey sense required. A “controlled demolition agnostic†– I’m not finding that term anywhere in my copy of Ambrose Bierce’s “The Devil’s Dictionary.†Hopefully it will be in the next edition, perhaps referring to “one who holds a large check signed by Larry Silverstein in his or her hand.â€
Thanks Gretavo for taking time out of your busy schedule and valuable free-time to pound these mahfahkah FOX or Foxman employees posing as “newbie†9/11 truth bloggers. The more we research, the more pathetic their tactics and quasi-arguments become. We are a thorn in the side of the lying man - the thorn of naked truth.
ride on!
We are a thorn in the side of the lying man - the thorn of naked truth.
wow, did you make this up? :)
the lying man... the naked truth... reminds me of the myth of Ham. Noah lying in a naked drunken stupor-what kind of child would look away? What kind would gaze upon the sight, and why?
Do we truthers have the "taint" of "those who dared to gaze upon the ugly inner workings behind the media-curtained 'reality'...?"
what is the price of liberty again? eternal vigilance. :)
Yuk yuk yuk
You know, the Truthaction charade was terribly mishandled when the Jo(h)ns immediately appeared after we were disappeared.
BTW, I had a LOT of fun and got quite a bit of Truthing in when I did a presentation on the paper I'd written last term (for Discourse Analysis) for Forensic Linguistics. This was in part an author-identification analysis on many of JohnA's posts from late November 2006, which he did anonymously, but then copped to. We read aloud such 'gems' as (paraphrasing) "I was Truthing when you were still a baby sitting in your own shit" and "Stop sniffing my shit before I slap you like the bitch you are." (Someone is a bit, shall we say, coprocentric -- probably why he was so inflamed by Nico's performance art event at St. Marks.)
So much material in the truth movement... :)
It's kind of like analyzing scriptures and trying to figure out if, to use a random example, the person(s) who wrote the book of matthew had read (or written) the gospel of thomas in his day...
Cass, I think you should run a discourse analysis forum here where you can explain what it's all about and help us apply it to the 9/11 meta narrative. My own interest would lie in the direction of determining the likelihood that any given discourse is "scripted" or spontaneous...
still laughing?
quote albanese from blogger:
>>>I admitted that i started posting anonymously after my name was being publicly dragged through the mud. i regretted using my real name because i could see that there were those intent on smearing me. i have since rethought this
on the other hand YOU were publicly accusing me of posting posts that I DID NOT WRITE. It was an attempt to embarass and intimidate me.
You further accused me of posting under multiple identities which was a BALD FACED LIE.
In fact - during the period this was going on i needed to go into the hospital for a short stay. i found it quite humorous to come out of the hospital and return to Blogger to discover that you and RT were STILL accusing me of posting shit (that i did not write) over the weekend when i was busy taking care of my health.
nice
of course - it would be impossible for YOU to be wrong. you can see through brick wall with your XRay vision.
Submitted by John Albanese on Tue, 03/06/2007 - 1:12pm.
he admits being anonymous but not to strange posts. that only you say. and you made big presentation on this error?
he laughs last! :)
ha ha ha
Those 'bizarre' posts are the one he signed with his name, dumbfuck!
Moreover, the ones that he denies making, which are far less dramatic, do show many signs of being authored by him as well. Somebody's not being completely forthright, that's for sure.
Edit: Here's one of the posts that was discussed:
Real Truther
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I posted the source of that picture now - including the message board it was discussed on - and the context in which it was discussed.
so what's the problem now?
how do you NOW explain that picture? You CLAIMED it was proven wrong. SHOW US THE PROOF YOU LITTLE SHIT.
I HAVE PUT MY FUCKING LIFE ON THE LINE ADVOCATING MY FILM AND VIGILS AT GROUND ZERO in 2003 WHILE YOU WERE STILL SITTING IN YOUR OWN SHIT. I HAVE BEEN SPIT ON FOR HOLDING UP SIGNS THAT SAID "911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB."
PUT YOUR FUCKING MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS. PROVE THAT PICTURE IS NOT ALUMINUM AS WAS CLEARLY LABELED ON THE WEBSITE.
WHAT GIVES YOU THE FUCKING RIGHT TO ATTEMPT TO DESTROY MY REPUTATION AND THE SAFETY OF MY WIFE AND MY SELF BY PUBLICALLY LABELING US SHILLS? I'VE SPENT THOUSANDS OF MY OWN MONEY TO RENT THEATERS AND PROMOTE MY FILM. MY FILM RECEIVED RAVE REVIEWS. IT MADE THE GOOGLE TOP 100 LIST. cURT WELDON SITED IT IN TWO PRESS RELEASES,, IT IS PLAYING IN EUROPE AND TRANSLATED INTO MULTIPLE LANGUAGES.
WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU EVER DONE OTHER THAN TROLL THESE BOARDS AND MAKE A COMPLETE JACKASS OF YOURSELF.
THESE PERSONAL ACCUSATIONS VIOLATE THE TERMS OF THIS BOARD AND BASIC DECENCY. YOU ARE A SCHMUCK WHO MAKES THIS ENTIRE MOVEMENT APPEAR TO BE POPULATED BY ADOLESCENT TIN-FOIL-HAT IDIOTS.
EVERY ATTEMPT TO REASON WITH YOU IN A CALM AND REASONED WAY IS REJECTED - AND YOU JUST CONTINUE WITH YOUR SHRILL HYSTERICAL CRY-BABY ROUTINE.
JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY. GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY ASS AND STOP SNIFFING MY SHIT BEFORE I SLAP YOU LIKE THE BITCH YOU ARE.
Submitted by John Albanese on Fri, 11/17/2006 - 1:23pm.
signs not proof
from thread you linked to
>>>John, I thought you were leaving...
Is this another "Ajohnymous" test? Let's see if I pass this time. Ahem...
Wow, anonymous, that is very perceptive. Remember to cite sources, though--was this TV Guide? Anyway THANK YOU for pointing out the damage that we're doing to the movement by talking about the demolition of the world trade center complex. Clearly if we continue to push these speculative issues we are going to have more experts like "Man Cow" come down hard on us and destroy our credibility. Is it true that Man Cow has a degree in structural engineering? Because I understand that anyone who doesn't and talks about "unexplained building collapse syndrome" is not to be trusted. They just don't understand that building collapses are a special field only understood by the secret cabal of structural engineers, and that until the structural engineers opine on building 7, we must wait patiently without throwing around bizarre theories that explosives had to have been involved. Much like when someone is shot, the police CANNOT BY LAW make that determination until the ballistics experts can assure them that indeed it was a bullet that was fired at the victim, and not a simple lead pellet that fell from great heights.
Instead, let us all focus on the Pakistani connection, which Fox does not dare address, for obvious reasons. For one, it would lend credence to their assurances that evil Muslims are out ta git us, and they could never have that! Also, it might risk Rupert Murdoch's friendship with the ISI and Musharraf, on which Rupert is banking to obtain a nuke for the Fox network. People don't seem to realize that the Pakistanis control the US media and that is why we haven't heard about their being caught red-handed wiring Atta his pork, booze, and stripper money.
Thanks again, Ajohnymous, for warning us to avoid any discussion of the actual cause of the buildings' collapses. If we're not careful someone might think we are playing favorites with the firefighters who died when the towers were demolished on top of them over the real heroes like Mark Bingham who fought off the evil muslim terrorists. What a travesty that would be!
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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero
WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force
Submitted by Real Truther on Fri, 11/17/2006 - 11:40am.
perhaps every anonymous is albanese? perhaps me? :)
often this site is saying people are something without proof
maybe i would be mad too if called anonymous when im not!
i misunderstand which kind of post you mean
but you could be explaining better also
i will even not call you dumbfuck :)
>>>Moreover, the ones that he denies making, which are far less dramatic, do show many signs of being authored by him as well.
why does this matter if they are not bad posts?
>>>Moreover, the ones that
>>>Moreover, the ones that he denies making, which are far less dramatic, do show many signs of being authored by him as well.
why does this matter if they are not bad posts?
It matters because a) they WERE bad posts and b) he was doing it to pretend to have more support for his positions, not expecting to be caught. when I pointed out identical misspellings in the posts he fessed up. Pathological, period.
"i" is who?
casseia? or this anonymous albanese maybe?:)
fessed up?
this means confessed?
maybe linking to "fessed up" would remove doubt
i could not find this "fessed up"
>>>he was doing it to pretend to have more support for his positions, not expecting to be caught.
i see site owner does this here many times
did not think him "pathological" until now:)
Nothing but
feigned indignation, appeal to emotion and attempted guilt induction (in all caps at that!) -- yes, there really is no substance to be found in there whatsoever. Would make for an excellent textbook example in the encyclopedia shillica...
Man,
you gotta hand it to that 'Real Truther' dude. The way he 'out-ed' the sneaky fella with the 'expertize' thang was beautiful.
You'd think having been exposed, then attempting the - it was a test! - farce a guy would disappear in shame/simmering resentment and that other forums would be mindful of such dishonesty in future?
not real truther but big d
still thanking you for finding thread:)
in reading i think many things overstated
casseia? says albanese makes anonymous posts to look like he has more support but this is not what he says
>>>i post anonymously because i did indeed want to see if this same "character" Real Truther attacks everyone the way he has attacked me. i wanted to come to better understand what the dynamics of this site really are.
i read all anonymous post there
there is no sign anonymous was supporting any albanese
i am not agreeing with what he does there
but saying he does it for other reasons is not good either
and is not excuse to call every anonymous albanese
then be surprised he gets mad
taking action out of context to make person look worse is dishonesty too:)
tot ziens
Bizzaro to the extreme...
that Diane would defend Mr. Mega Shill Extraordinaire PatrickSMcNally - someone who is both an openly contemptuous anti-truther AND tries to associate the 9/11 truth movement with holocaust revisionism. In other words, Diane, who has in the past argued for extra sensitivity on the Jewish issue and laments the immense damage that we (who push the "Mossad did it" angle) are doing to the truth movement, has, for some inexplicable reason, decided to give Mr. HowMuchMoreObviousOfAShillCanIBe a DOUBLE pass. So much so that she is actively trying to get he/she/it unbanned on TruthAction. Either we have entered the Twilight Zone, or one "Diane the New York Activist" is not who she makes herself out to be.
Maybe you are thinking that Diane is just not aware of this slimeball's statements here on WTCD last month in which he/she basically outed itself as someone lower than a child molester? Recall that this is the thread on WTCD in which Mr. PatrickSMcNally pulls a Fetzer on us 3 weeks after signing up on our site - just about the most outrageous self-outing shillery stunt that has ever been witnessed, where he/she pulls the following stunts:
1) refers to the truth movement as the "trooth moovement" (and he wasn't referring to the fake LIHOP truthers, or even the Mega Disinfo jerks. No. He clearly was referring to the ®™ Real Truth Movement who "dogmatically" promote the most easily proved inside job evidence of all - controlled demolition)
2) tries (embarrassingly pathetically at that) to debunk controlled demolition
3) associates 9/11 truth with Holocaust Revisionism in a way vastly more twisted than the method used by "he who shall not be named" a couple of months before, in that he uses quotes from (in)famous Holocaust Revisionist Robert Faurisson where Faurisson exposes his ignorance of 9/11 and ridicules not just controlled demolition, but in fact the entire case for either inside job OR Mossad job!
No. On the contrary, Diane not only makes it clear that she HAS read PatrickSMcNally's statements here in that infamous thread, she LAUDS he/she for his/her statements! What does she say about it? She actually says:
Anyhow, I agree with the careful, scholarly approach that you urged in that comment of yours on the WTCD site.
Yea. That's right. The careful, scholarly approach epitomized, according to PatrickSMcNally, by Holocaust Revisionist and 9/11 Truth Deniar Robert Faurisson!
What is going on here? Could it be that Diane supports ANY and ALL controlled demolition skeptics in the "movement", no matter how much they have proven themselves to be a shill or an embarrassment for the movement?
Is there something I'm missing? Help me out here, please.
And to think that I was ready to give Diane the benefit of the doubt and believe her "I'm just a poor [can't even afford high speed internet] New York activist who advocates politeness and civility and inclusiveness except for anti-semitism" routine.
Yes... and now she is pimping
some dude who has a whole under-construction site attacking Richard Gage.
keenan on all counts
as usual you are 99.99% correct. if Diane is legit she has got to be one of the 10 most annoying people in the world but my suspicion is "she" is not. it would scarcely surprise me anymore to discover that someone like Diane is actually a committee's gestalt incarnation online--my tendency is to think that there is more behind a phenom like Diane, like the laying down of a skeleton of plausible deniability in enough people's minds...