LIHOP ALERT - CIA attempting limited hangout move?

This "TimmyGonzalez" character surfaced around the time of my banning and the dropping of the festooning of Apt. 911B with Reprehensor's lovely Iron Curtains. Could this be more transparent? 911B joining forces with the CIA and FoxNews to expose a version of "truth" that scapegoats Bush and Cheney AND promotes the "plane at the Pentagon" BS? Sorry--internal explosives combined with a flyover is the most likely scenario. Destroying evidence of where the 2.3 Trillion went is a likely motive, "Dov" tailing nicely with the destruction of evdience of the massive stock market fraud from the 90s in WTC7.
Quick a group of CIA members formed a Union stating
the Bush administration is behind 9/11 & Dick Cheney deliberately allowed a plane to hit the pentagon. It was on FOX News this morning at 7:15 Eastern time. I am not the most computer savvy so I am hoping someone can get the clip and post it. We have to reach out to them they claim to have intell in Langley currently working and giving them the facts. We need their evidence to combine with ours. Strength in numbers guys let's jump on this.
Submitted by TimmyGonzalez on Tue, 07/17/2007 - 7:28am.

New Aerial Shot on the Internets of Pentagon's Wedge One
Guess what? Absolutely No Plane Whatsoever. How can I post this jpeg here G? Popping in an HREF tag? If not possible, I will go search for the site I found it on and post the URL here. You guys gotta see this photo.
I think that you are correct Gretavo about the internal explosives, but a couple of military witnesses that day also said they distinctively smelled Cordite, a military explosive that would be associated with a cruise missile. What were those guys carrying away from the Pentagon under that big blue tarp? Wasn't the Pentagon's wedge one the location of the Pentagon's accounting department? With 2.3 trill missing under Dov's watch, hitting wedge one would definitely be the way to go. It is interesting that all through the 9/11 operation, buildings and sections of buildings that would hold highly revealing and incriminating evidence disappeared due to bomb blasts and demolition activity, conveniently gotten rid of. The old "kill a person inside their house and then burn it down" trick. Why was a former D.A. like Rudy Ghouliani so hot and bothered to quickly clean up the crime scene at WTC7? Was there a Flight Termination System remote module in the OEM bunker to guide those planes into the towers? Was the demolition software pre-loaded onto their servers? Were thousands of UA, AA put options orders bought by the CIA-connected Deutsche Bank-Alex Brown sitting on SEC computers there? Oh yeah, the Deutsche Bank building across the street was just pulled the other day.
Yes, it definitely seems that the higher-up 9/11 conspirators want to hang out the Cheney and Bush crew in order to protect the carefully crafted PR image of Israel as "the innocent, eternal good guy victim." That is one of the most important jobs of the 9/11 cover-up complicit media right now -- At all costs and by all means necessary, they must keep the currently erupting 9/11 issue AWAY FROM ITS ISRAELI CONNECTIONS. If Americans widely came to understand that the powerful and influential hands of Israel along with its friends in the U.S. government and media were behind the 9/11 attacks and the subsequent phony War on Terror, that Mossad operatives were responsible for the demolition of those towers, the American people would demand with one very angry voice that their congressmen and senators make an official declaration of war against the State of Israel as the greatest enemy of the U.S. and its democracy. And people like Amy Goodman and Noam Chomsky, et al. are COMPLETELY aware of what will happen if the Real Truths about 9/11 get out. And, much to their dismay, these truths are getting out. I know a lot of people who aren't guiltily shaken or intimidated anymore by the old trick of calling anyone who criticizes Israel and its barbarous crimes an anti-Semite. And if you're Jewish, like myself or Norman Finkelstein, and a host of other moral human beings speaking out, the old "you're a self-hating Jew" trick isn't working anymore either. These false flag terror criminals are now walking a very, very thin line, and they are getting very noivous. One little slip-up or miscalculation, and their whole operation is finished. 9/11 Truth brings down the Big Lie and the entire Fascist Empire that is moving toward its endgame. 9/11 Truth is the Big Red Pill that everyone is afraid to take, it is the equivalent of those sunglasses in the film "They Live," where the wearers actually get to see the world as it really is -- a mind-controlled Brave New World run by criminal psychopaths and blood-sucking vampires. If you haven't seen John Carpenter's "They Live," rent it tonight. PUT ON THE FUCKING GLASSES!
so then what do we do
with Israel once this comes out? could there be a finite number of names involved? Those who could be tried and imprisoned? The international court? a reverse guantanomo internment? the psychopathology here is immense with so many layers. the collective victimhood and all. I truly appreciate your research and comments which, coming from a person of jewish descent, hold such validity and weight.
news to me
that lazlo is Jewish! people need to get it through their heads (and those of others) that the situation is the same for Jews as it is for Americans--we/they/us all are not responsible for what elites have done against our will or without our knowledge and allegedly in our name. wherever and to whomever you happen to have been born no one is owned by their social group, tribe, and especially not by their illegitimate elite rulers.
if the stupidity of picking sides based on your imagined commonalities is not yet clear, then the elites will continue to enjoy wielding the power that comes from the illusion of manufactured divisions. if Americans continue to cling to the 9/11 myth, or Jews to the myth of the uniqueness of Jewish suffering and/or Nazi evil, there will be no hope for peace. This also goes for muslims who use their religion to vent their political frustrations in violent ways or anyone else for that matter who under their own particular false consciousness believes themselves to be better or more entitled to life and happiness than anyone else.
When will enough be enough? Only when more people develop the courage to break away from the path of mind and thought control through falsified historical narratives and begin to look forward for progress not backward for justification of intellectual laziness...
disassociation/OUR military!
i posted formerly on 911b and now this one that people need to dissociate from their "faiths" tribes and alignments and join together as one family for truth, justice and peace.
AND...
from that link i posted regarding zionists, psychopaths and 9/11, etc., this statement rules:
"Amongst the armed forces of the US, UK, Italy, Australia, Germany, France, etc, there are surely many decent, honorable, normal folk with a sense of right and wrong. Their responsibility is to their compatriots and to themselves, not some demented clique of genocidal treasonous soulless misfits who happen to have assumed control. It is now their duty to arrest the psychopaths who pose as 'leaders' in our governments, and to bring them to trial for crimes against humanity.
btw, i sent this piece to my bro-in-law, retired Lt Col US Army.
"truth, justice, and the American way!"
The Real Chosen People
I have always thought that the real Chosen People were the Hawaiians and Tahitians. Look at the land that God gave them! Empirical proof right there.
except that...
they migrated to those places at some point just like their asshole conquerors did. let's face it, if god exists in that sense "he" gave the whole world to humanity as a whole. now he obviously must have had some kind of beef with the other animals to have done so, never mind the poor defenseless plants, but there it is.
I prefer to think that we are all part of a living universe and as such have the power to determine the nature of that universe--whether it is one where love and beauty thrive or one where suffering and ugliness are the norm. Once we decide which we prefer it's up to us to will that universe into being. Maybe it will never come, but we can't know that and so we must try. We may not go to heaven when we die but I have a feeling that how we live has some impact on the nature of our experience after we die. Sometimes I think we are destined to live eternally as if in a dream, and that the content of those dreams will reflect the path we chose in life...
Gretavo
You are a good and wise soul. I am delighted to know that you are on our planet. There might be hope for us after all. When I feel anger, I always try to remember the video of the Lebanese woman last Summer holding her dead baby in her arms after the Israelis had carpet bombed her village of Hana, and through streaming tears, she screamed in English, "We will not let you turn us into what you have become."
that's kind of you
I too draw strength from those who bear their unearned suffering (that MLK said was redemptive) with dignity. Nothing we are called upon to do as truthers from our privileged perches compares and I will never feel I am a martyr no matter how much my fellow humans may disappoint me. People, especially those who believe in a personal God, often wonder what spirituality could possibly mean when removed from the whole eternal reward business. To me it has everything to do with the detachment from the ego--seeing oneself as a tiny and fairly insignificant part of something unimaginably large--and being perfectly happy with that. When you realize that everything is you and that you are everything, that the evil that seems to threaten you is the same evil for which you have the potential, that those in the world who lord it over others do so out of fear of their own insignificance, doing the right thing ceases to seem like a burden and reveals through its pleasures AND its hardships that which we all yearn for--the sense of belonging--not to any exclusive and chimeric human grouping but to the eternal now.
It's kind of like when Obiwan Kenobi lets Darth Vader kill him because he knows full well that only then will he be one with the force and finally become master over his own dark side. Even Darth Vader himself managed to do that by preferring to die than to continue serving the dark side. I normally despise Hollywood movies but for better or worse Star Wars (the original trilogy) was a big part of my formative years and there is no sense in denying that it contributed to making me who I am and how I have decided to live my life!
The Force
is with you young Gretavo. We will win. Victory to the people of the universe.
not THAT young Gretavo
age wise i'm about where Han Solo was, not Luke... but thanks anyway! :)
Star Wars, The Force and the hero's journey...
Gretavo and Lazlo, I have to say, your writings are so eloquent and heartfelt!
I understand but find it interesting, Gretavo, given the little i've gleaned from your views on war and 9/11, that you have had such a strong attachment to SW. You seem to have extracted the good mythology out of that series. Have you ever served or were tempted to serve in the military? My nephew, now 36, also grew up with SW, owned the box set, watched it over and over. He is now a marine major, having served in Afganistan and Iraq (and having lost 6 close buds). After landing in Iraq, the first comment he made to his mom was "Mom! it looks just like Star Wars!". There certainly was a lot of ME desert culture (bargainers and traders, bedouin life) and imagery used in the films.
Being a conspiracy-mindsetted type, (or at least with a layered mentation) after viewing the first release way back..77? 78? with friends all in our early 20s, i remember while everyone else was saying it made them feel "patriotic and proud again, and our country needs this kind of stuff", i came way feeling quite differently. I felt a sense of manipulation. This was the time of pre Reagan hype and also during his reign; we all know what happened then. I recalled the Superman-type comics pre WW2 that millions of young lads read, depicting the enemy in stereotypic fashion with slanted eye or nazi-style helmets. the villain and hero thing. pretty black and white. those young boys grew into enthusiastic cannonfodder. guess i saw the same thing happening to my nephew. he certainly was imbued with the hero/villain mythology. "Aunt K, we're going to bring them democracy, whether they like it or not!"
in Wikipedia, this excerpt re Star Wars and Lucas' inspiration: "Another influence in Lucas's creation of Star Wars was the writings of Joseph Campbell. Campbell's work explored the supposed common meanings, structures, and purposes of the world's mythologies. Lucas has stated that his intention was to create in Star Wars a "modern mythology" based on Campbell's work. The original Star Wars film, episode IV, for example, closely followed the archetypal "hero's journey," as described in Campbell's The Hero with a Thousand Faces. The motif of the hero's journey can also be seen across Episodes IV-VI, following Luke's progression and across Episodes I-VI, following the journey of Anakin Skywalker."
The manipulative mythology treachery continued immediately after 9/11 with Bush and Cheney's "ecumenical" church service. DRG has a good read on this.
that all being said, i grew up on the "morality tales" of the original Star Trek. and, being a chick who adores heros, I rarely turn down a good war flick. isn't it funny i'm so anti-war!
more thoughts on heros and martyrs down the road....
Joseph Campbell is Awesome
a very enlightened man.
I graduated to Star Trek TNG
in high school. little did I realize it was all CFR/NWO globalist propaganda! :)
It's funny actually--for a supposed utopia there was always so much corruption in Starfleet and in the UFP. And all the bigotry on earth was just transferred onto alien races. More things change, apparently, the more they stay the same!
As for Star Wars it was in my early youth so really to me it was all about courage and basic good vs evil stuff. In fact when I was a kid I was an obnoxious little "patriot" who believed we really were the best country on earth. Then my time overseas as a diplomatic brat opened my eyes to how the other half of the world lived, and eventually I learned why. It never ceases to amaze me how much more there is to learn even when yout hink you haveit all figured out. Then you learn something new and realize there had been holes you were just ignoring before--things that never really made sense and so you didn't think much about.
I've come to the conclusion that any world view that is easy to have is flawed. Reality has not stopped amazing me with just how deeply it hides under different people's BS. I guess it's just my luck for having been born in a very dark age and not realizing until my late twenties that that was the case.
similar experience
i was a patriotic little brat, also. perhaps due to watching all those "Combat" shows and war movies with older bro in 60s. i got a good dose of the "ugly american" while living overseas..not diplomatic, no military, but Chiclets!~ lucky for me, dad was all about friendly and appreciating their culture - that's how i met palestinian folk in beirut way back when
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When I say Israel
I, of course, am using it in the general political, journalistic sense like "The U.S. has invaded Iran." In this whole horror, there of course are only a finite number of names involved. Leaving aside the U.S., on the Israeli side -- Netanyahu, Sharon (is he dead yet?), Olmert et al., people in the military, the intelligence services -- Mossad and Shin Beth, people in the Israeli armaments and air/rail security industries. There are all kinds of people on various levels eating from the big War on Terror pie, but they are a scheming minority compared to the rest of us. When I say Israel, I also do not blanketedly refer to the varieties of people and opinions there. Just as all Americans don't work for the CIA, so most Israelis and American Jews do not work for Mossad. I know that most of my friends wouldn't stand a chance of even getting a first job interview with Mossad or the CIA. They would end up shooting themselves in the foot on their first day of work and then get disability leave to start their new band. Saying "the Israelis" support the Palestinian apartheid system is like saying "the Americans" love Bush's war on terror. Most of us don't, but you won't hear that on the news. There are more Israeli-Palestinian partnered demonstrations in Israel than in the U.S. or Canada. You can see them on the internet all the time. Not on TV though. Some are pretty intense too. You will also never see on the News the Neturei Karta rabbis burning the flag of Israel in front of the United Nations building. Americans would become way too confused if they saw that on TeeVee. Jon Stewart even dissed the rabbis on his cutesy little Comedy Central show which I do not watch anymore after he arrogantly made references to those crazy people who think that the Pentagon was not hit by a huge Boeing 757 being flown by Hani Hanjour. Then it dawned on me, oh yeah, Jon's paycheck is signed by Sumner Redstone, a friend of Lucky Larry's and that whole NY crew. I now have a great close-up aerial photo of the Pentagon taken on 9/11 -- NO PLANE! We should send Jonny this jpeg, make him show it on his little clown show.
The only thing we can do is try to bravely understand what is going on here, and to compassionately help other people to understand. We need critical mass and time's a runnin out. It is very difficult. A person from big time media told me the other day that many reporters inside know we are right, but he said a lot of them are very scared. The "terrorists" are inside the system. It is like Germany in the Nazi era and McCarthy era America all rolled into one. We are asking people to SEVERELY challenge their comfortable world-view paradigm, and what we are asking them to see is not very pleasant. There are various levels of understanding that they must progress through. This "who would have the means, motive, and opportunity to wire those buildings" phase of 9/11 research is like the graduate level and it's also the scariest level. Many of the people on this level are professional assassins. When I talk to people on the street, I never mention any of this, only the basic stuff. No one, even in the "Truth" movement likes to stray much beyond the building CD research. The MSM News Machine has turned everyone into scared little children.
What do we do? We pray and teach and hope. If you stay angry, you won't cry. If you tire of all the anger, you will definitely cry. The psychopaths at the helm of this ship are very evil, very real, and very serious. If the Zionist element of this conspiracy were actually Jewish, we could expose them, make them feel very guilty, and the guilt alone would make them crack and start ratting each other out. It's a tactic we haven't tried yet. Might work, who knows. The old "appealing to the conscience" thing.
the jpeg/net kart
when and how may we see this, Laz? i gotchya on the "when i say israel"...there's a finite bunch of evildoers here and there and inbetween.
i love those neturei karta dudes...wonder if we could lure some over here to blog.
anger works both ways
those who stay angry for any number of reasons at the wrong people (i.e. those not directly responsible for sowing the hate) stall our progress. we need to feel righteously angry of course but ther must be a loving and welcoming side to everything we say and do. why would anyone want to trust or follow an angry person? we should definitely be angry at Jon Stewart because he is an insincere opportunist, but it would be wrong to say "duh, it's because he's Jeiwsh" as some are wont to. We have to appeal to Jewish people as we must to everyone else and though some of them will naturally be reluctant to accept that their fellow Jews could be as bad as they believe Nazis to be, it is in fact the sad truth. There is no difference between that and the fact that many Americans simply do not want to believe in the face of any amount of evidence that their fellow Americans Rumsfeld and Cheney could in fact be the face of evil itself. Now me, I'm a white Puerto Rican and can accept that my ancestors may not have been the nicest people, and that there are Puerto Rican gangs that commit violent acts, and that as an American I have benefitted from the oppression of others in many senses. It is only by acknowledging these unfortunate facts that I was ever able to find my moral compass, the one that told me there was something terribly wrong with the 9/11 story despite the media's best efforts to make me feel like a victim.
You are right G
If you are a human, chances are you are connected to some people who pulled off some bad shit at one time or another. The Whites bought the slaves from Black African tribal slave traders, if ya know what I mean. On this planet, everyone's guilty. That is one of the cheery wisdom benefits that studying history gives us. Most of the people on this planet are basically good people. We like to feast with friends and drink and play the guitarre and sing. We do not seek empires, and everything's pretty cool with us. But there is this 6% of the human population that fit in the psychopathic category. Though a fractional minority, they be the ones fuckin' everything up, and they have all the money, guns, and media, and did I mention they are fucking Comic Book Villian CRAZY. People are asking what do we do? Man, sometimes I don't know. I sure would like to go feast with my friends, drink, sing and play the guitar, but as the Talking Heads' song "Life During Wartime" says, "I ain't got time for that now."
eat, drink, go out truthing and be merry...
for tomorrow a false flag attack might fool the masses into thinking you are a bigot AND a terrorist sympathizer.
in the end I'll die quite happily knowing that I was right and that I did not succumb to the fear and the hate like so many around me. that goes for all of us!
looking within
yes gretavo. i have been saying this all along. it is so good to hear others speak this way.
we have to be willing to look at our "own", whether they be Christians, Jews, Muslims...ditto for our nation-state allegiances...even our own family extensions. where did i read this? (perhaps The Path not Taken):
there are basically two types of mindsets/consciences: the first blames all bad that befalls him/her on others, and reacts accordingly, out of a sense of persecution and victimhood; the other tends to blame all bad that befalls him/her on himself, and reacts accordingly. Both are so lacking. Somewhere there has to be a balance. The ability to interact with life and reality both subjectively and objectively.
paranoia, self-obsession, persecution/victim complex
Can we name some countries (at least two) that share these traits of the "paranoid personality" ? Question is, does the patient even WANT to be cured? Do Americans and Israelis (or more precisely their leaders) really want to be loved? Or do they want to show potential competitors that they are willingly blind suck ups to the world's financial elites?
Will enough good people stand up to those missing their morality chips in time to stop the lemming-like march off the cliff of elite-driven persecution fantasies?
What will it take? It would seem that fate is testing humanity--will we pass?
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blue tarp=red herring
I'm pretty sure I agree with the view that the blue tarp is in fact one of the tents that was set up outside the Pentagon--you'll notice that it doesn't seem very heavy and in fact seems hollow at the bottom...
as for the fate of Israel, I have long said that if and when the truth comes out, and if it does indeed implicate high level Israelis an/or Mossad agents, there will indeed be some hard feelings. At that point our job should be clear--to protect innocent people and prosecute the guilty. To expose the elite nature of the manipulations of history and to unite ALL peoples against the entrenched power structure in the world. Israel will necessarily need regime change and a constitution guranteeing equality, right of return, and all that good stuff. We cannot repeat the mistakes of the past and expel people who are not to blame for the mess made for them--the challenge will consist of the gargantuan effort of REAL reconciliation based on truth and justice. To put it mildly, Israel's Jewish communities will have to do quite a bit of soul searching--maybe Oprah can take a few years off to help them cope.
Unfortunately, the longer the day of reckoning is put off the worse it will be for everyone involved. If responsible people of conscience do not step up NOW to do the right thing in large numbers it is unlikely that we will be able to shut off the "self-destruct" sequence that will have been initiated by the losing elites who will choose death (of everyone) before honor. This is the saddest part of all of this--those who think they're doing the right thing by standing on the sidelines waiting for a clear sign of which side to join are in fact condemning not just themselves but everyone else in the world to a terrible fate.
This conversation
I tried to start a conversation over at the other apartment (911B) about the need to educate people in general, and certainly people in the 9/11 Truth movement, about the diametrically opposed differences between Zionism and Judaism, about the history of conflict between these two influences within the Jewish community (at least pre WWII), and about the potentially unpleasant ramifications for innocent people in Amurrica if 9/11 Truth is explored to its logical conclusion. Americans really need to, but do not understand the differences between a secular, militarist, Zionist ideologue operator and Uncle Benny who runs the deli down on the corner. If you find a Mossad demo team wiring a building in a major American city and point out the danger to the media of letting these same folks also control our airport security as well, the Media want to paint you as a person who is basically saying "The Jooz did 9/11," and you are cleverly made to look like a crackpot bigot, because everyone in the 'hood knows Uncle Benny who runs the deli on the corner, and everyone knows he's a sweet old man. He does Pesach every Friday, and would never do such a thing as 9/11. And to explain the history and ideology of Zionism to a short attention span audience on a two minute TV spot is impossible, so the media reduces all the subtleties and deceptions of an international intelligence operation down to the cartoon image of a redneck Ku Klux Klansman saying "The Jooz did nahn eeeleven." The Zionist image machine also has the Jewish community believing that if you criticise the State of Israel and expose her crimes, you are criticising the faith of Judaism and you are selling out your people to the Goyim and the Arabs. There was a turning point back in the '20s when the whole Israel project could have gone down a very cool, peaceful, conscious, and cooperative path, but militarism and greed soon came in with Ze'ev Jabotinsky, and the peacemakers and philosophers got stomped. History, what a bitch.
Okay -- is there anything to this?
Any independent confirmation of such a thing being reported?
they said it on 911B
isn't that good enough for you? I mean, they were also quoting Fox News reporting on the CIA--what part of this seems fishy to you, MS. Paranoid?? :)
I see nothing on the FOX website...
and I had to boil my laptop after looking.
are you calling Timmy Gonzalez a liar?
You know I'm hispanic myself Cass--why would you insult me like that? ;)
you're a LATEEEENOOOO HATER!!
Hey, you know what my last name is...
l-a-m-a-d-r-i-d
What's that sound like to ya? (Actually, I'm a white girl with a latino ex and a latina daughter, but anyhoo...) Therefore, I reserve the right to cast aspersions on all the Hispanically-surnamed of the world.
This just reminds me of the kind of shenanigans one questionable guy in our local group used to pull. He once showed up on a Wednesday evening to our meeting announcing that he had just read on the internets that Bush was being frog-marched out of the White House...
ah, a self-hater!
you and Finkelstein should hang out!!
Wishful Hallucinations
he was having. What channel was he watching? I want that one on my cable box.
Fox News video in Raw Story article
I think this is what they are talking about (from 911B). A video is in the Raw Story article.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Fox_CIA_undermining_War_on_Terror_0717.html
yes! thanks Juan
Interesting that Fox is taking this approach--it does seem some people in high places are keen to do some damage to the CIA, probably to eventually have it disbanded in favor of DHS. God help us!