True Faction Debates Nature of Hijackers
http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2932
Poor Danse is all by his lonesome trying to convince Islamofascist proponents Nicholas Levis, Arabesque, and Colonel Jenny Sparks of the irrelevance of the patsies. Arabesque even offers up "evidence" allegedly used in the Moussaoui trial that purports to be faxes of the original flight manifests, and rags on David Griffin for actually doubting the veracity of the hijacker narrative. Curious about the manifests, I found this post that seems pretty interesting:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x26095
The only one who seems open to Danse's logic (which I happen to agree with) is of all people John Albanese! JA says that Danse may be right that the precise targeting of the Pentagon (avoiding Rumsfeld's office) would not have been left to Hani Hanjour or any other student pilot. Well, duh. Danse also has to point out that the hijackers obviously weren't the ones who wired the WTC for demolition. Nicholas Levis, convinced that Cheney masterminded the whole thing, says:
How can we think the same group that can arrange for the demolition of the WTC (if you believe that) or the wargames of 9/11 or the cover-up that followed can't also arrange to have real men who really believe in their cause to die as the patsies?
Fake Truthers just don't come much faker than Nicholas Levis--except maybe Diane the New York Activist! :)
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The LIHOP Debate Strategy: Just Redefine the Terms
Nicholas the fake truther (and I don't use that label lightly, but if the shoe keeps fitting perfectly...what else can I say?) and his "I think we share the same brain" cohorts need to keep hammering away at these re-definitions, so they revived that thread from last month. We actually discussed it on WTCD at the time with my comment: THIS JUST IN! Crucial part of Hijacker Narrative provided...
This is where we discussed how they redefined the term Patsie. Why is it that they need to redefine everything? Just a thought: If a tree gets redefined in the forest and nobody is there to notice (agree) with the new definition, has the tree really been redefined? Come to think of it, they seem to do an aweful lot of redefining of terms, and I don't know of anyone who was invited to the Redefinition Meetings. Perhaps the 3-lettered agencies and their lobby groups that held the meetings forgot to announce them to the rest of the "movement"? ;>)
Speaking of trying to have it both ways, I wonder if Arabesque has noticed his own contradiction? On the one hand he claims that the planes were flown by remote control, and on the other hand he is pushing the hijacker narrative. Apparently Arabesque needs to emphasize the remote-controlled narrative when trying to prove that flight 77...er...I mean the Big Boeing hit the Pentagon. I guess this is 'cuz even the most ardent Islamophobic LIHOP hatemonger can't push the Hani Honjour story with a straight face anymore?But then the hijacker narrative becomes all important to Arabesque when arguing that, "explosives were planted in the WTC to ensure the attacks would be a success". Um, the "hijacker" attacks? Oh, ok. I guess that the placement of the explosives would have made the hijackers extra careful to hit the buildings just right, cuz they wouldn't have wanted to expose the non-muslim conspirators for planting explosives, which would have happened if the buildings had blown up without the planes hitting? Um, maybe Arabesque will re-define the words hijacker, attack, and buildings for us to make it more logical :S
A note to fake truthers: Keeping track of all your lies and contradictions eventually becomes embarrassing and unmanageable. The work load you take on increases exponentially. Better quit while you're behind.
i caught the shared brain thing too
you think they have just the one between what 4 or 5 of them? Danse I think has his own, even if he doesn't alsways use it. But I wouldn't be surprised to learn that John Albanese, johndoraemi, Nicholas Levis, Arabesque, and ChrisC were all played by the same hack... :)
I think the fake truthers were spread out like mulch over the country so as to prevent truth weeds from growing. Thankfully, we seem to have done OK in the end figuring out what they were playing at.
The whole 9/11 mess--crime and coverup, have all the hallmarks of an arrogant intelligence. Assumptions seemingly made that because it is so superior its schemes will never be detected by those around it. It is the neocon mentality, to be sure--Leo Strauss's "noble lie" and all that. And as Gilad Atzmon so aptly points out, neoconservatism is simply globalized zionism. And that, my friends, is not about being Jewish, or American after 9/11. It is about being a dupe. A sucker. About having an artificial reality created by specialists in mythologizing historical events and distorting them, often grotesquely, in the process.
What's that I hear rolling up the way? Why, it's the dustbin of history--I hope it's got plenty of room!
Well Duh!
Yes, Nick does seem obsessed with the notion of “suicidal patsies.†Although, if you were at a 9/11 planning meeting, you would have to ask him why would such an element be necessary. “Dude, we have easy interface video game remote control of any aircraft we wire up. Why involve people? Tell them Arab boys to just leave their Korans at the tittie bar and get the hell outta the country on the 10th.â€
“Goddammit, we need suicidal patsies ‘cause therez gotta be a jihahi-suicide Muslim hijacker around here somewhere to blame. All the Neocons should have changed their last names before this whole thing got rolling. Like, “Hi I’m John Smallberries or Paul Smith.†Something along those lines. They fucked up. Didn’t think ahead.â€
“So what you’re trying to say is that the hijackers couldn’t fly?†Did someone out there slip people in the 9/11 truth movement something which put them in a 9/11 research time machine back to the beginning of 2003? Watch out for the brown acid out there.
And oh yeah, there were maybe Muslims wiring up the towers. Totally possible. Bush himself said that Khalid Shayk Muhammad told him that they put the bombs up there real high so that’s they would be real high up there and stuff.
This movie is getting worser and more pathetic by the moment.
LOL! you're a riot!
"Tell them Arab boys to just leave their Korans at the tittie bar and get the hell outta the country on the 10th."
Yea, aye member hayering somthun bout "Middle Eastern looking men" with explosives and white vans around lower Manhatten at the time. If people saw those "Middle Eastern looking men" bringing stuff into the bildins, well, aye gayass that splains Bush and Shick Momamud, aint it?
oah, the site is workin again, keenan's back!
thanks, greao, for whatever it took...all smooth now.
yeah, the script is really f'd uppp
so, ....??? y dint we git it befo?Â
i beat myself over the head with this all the time... anybody else sufferin with this?
Fake Truthers
Nobody can be that fucking numb to still think the Arabs had anything to do with 911. Sorry the Arabs got photograhed in airports, and were at the wrong place at the wrong time. end of discussion.
I have never been to truthaction Reason being John Albanse is there. I cant believe 911 blygger let the him back. Whats this movement coming to.
They should be talking like this
Zionism is a total disaster. It is a colonial, expansionist, nationalist philosophy based on racial chauvinism. Those who take its precepts to the letter have been robbing the land of the indigenous Palestinian people in the name of the Jewish people. It is regarded by many of us as a major threat to world peace. Its devoted supportive lobbies around the world call for more and more bloodshed in the name of ?liberalism?, ?democracy?, 'freedom? and even in the name of the ?Judeo-Christian? alliance. Yet, Zionism, and we better admit it, has managed to do something that even God has failed to do: it united the Jews. Zionism has become the Jewish symbolic identifier.
Gilad Atzmon - The Tzabar and the Sabbar: A Refection on Memory and Nostalgia
http://www.gilad.co.uk/html%20files/memoryandnostalgia.htm