Sunday Night Tag Team Action - Diane the NY Activist and JonDoraemi

Except against Arabs?/Persians/Muslims.

Do you know exactly what happened on the planes? Do you? Do you?! If not, you may not refer to the "myth of evil Muslim terrorists."

It should be possible to dispute someone without falsely misrepresenting what they said. I checked the link and did not find any mention of Saudis or Pakistan. So listing that in as a snippet is just making a false attribution.

hey john, why have you changed your tune to say "We actually don’t know much about the Israelis’ relationship to the operation."  that didn't seem to be the case when you wrote the following quotes in one of your blogs over at 911b.

"If the World Trade Center buildings were demolished by pre-placed explosive charges, these Israelis are the prime suspects."

"The MOSSAD spies actually had the brass balls to sue the US for "wrongful arrest and imprisonment." And yes, they returned "home" to Israel, where the owner of the fraudulent "moving company" had fled immediately after being questioned by FBI.
We can see a pattern here of unaccountability, where Israeli agents are routinely released, and therefore face no consequences for their actions on United States soil, or in Mexico apparently.
This brings us to Michael Chertoff who is also unmentioned in the Ketcham piece. Chertoff is a known Zionist (his Mother was MOSSAD and helped create the state of Israel; his wife was a chairperson in the ADL). Michael Chertoff was the head of the Criminal Division of the Justice Department (sic) on September 11th.
So just how does this Israeli matter become "classified" and as many as 200 Israeli agents "released" despite the protests of the CIA?(!) We should look to the Justice Department, and to the head of the Criminal Division for an explanation.
Chertoff also has a questionable past. In private practice as a lawyer he actually defended an Osama bin Laden financier, Dr. Magdy ElAmir, who had embezzled $3 million from a NJ HMO and sent most of the money off to Al Qaeda. Quite an odd gig for a Zionist? No? How does one go from defending bin Laden's money men to heading the US Department of Homeland Security?
You'd have to be a pretty good "friend to Israel" to get away with that kind of activity. Chertoff was confirmed 98-0 for the Homeland Security post in the Senate, and no major news media would say a word about his successful defense of a bin Laden funder. This is the reality we live in, a strange and deceitful place where things don't appear to make much sense at first glance."

"Lastly, the September 11th attacks were codenamed "The Big Wedding." Could this be some coded dark humor about marrying Israel to the United States? Forever linking their policy goals in a mutual war against Islam? Just throwing that out there for your consideration."

http://www.911blogger.com/node/6795

so johndoraemifasolatido, i have to ask, who you crappin? 

Here's his reply to me at Truthaction (my statements in italics):
I'll assume that this is genuine misunderstanding. The "myth of evil Muslim terrorists" is much larger than the events of 9/11 -- and to reject it does not mean asserting that no Muslims hijacked planes.

I don't even know how to respond. Keenan indeed claims no "Muslims" hijacked planes. That's what we were talking about.

If you want to talk about events unrelated to 9/11 -- there are plenty of terrorists out there who happen to be Muslim, as well.

Several of you want to reduce these issues to some comic book black and white substitute for reality. That's the problem with "analyses" by you, RT and Keenan specifically. You want to make broad sweeping claims you can't back up, and ignore the actions and evidence concerning specific people (except misrepresenting Silverstein's "pull it" apparently).

This as usual isn't getting us anywhere, and so I'm not going to give you full treatment. You don't deserve it.

Your suggestion that rejecting the evil Muslim terrorist myth is synonymous with denying that Muslims hijacked planes reflects either superficial understanding or your own construction of a strawman.

Except I was responding to Keenan who repeatedly makes these claims. Try to keep up.

I don't need to "reject" nor to accept your take on whatever popular "myth" you seem to be peddling (Did it occur to you that you legitimize the neocon mythmakers by playing their game?).

We are supposed to be looking at facts, not myths. As a "truth" movement, the focus was supposed to be what we can prove and the evidence which negates false claims by the government.

Battling over "myths" belongs down the hall in the creative writing department.

You don't care whether they were Muslim, Christian etc etc -- this disingenuously sidesteps the fact that "Muslim" in the context of the evil Muslim hijacker myth refers to what is really an ethnic or even racial identity.

More gobbledygook stemming from an Appeal to Myth, a new logical fallacy peculiar to the pseudo "Truth" movement. The Appeal to Myth has the benefit of alwyas being correct, no matter what anyone was talking about previously, nor what evidence contradicts the implied claims. Appeal to Myth is the defacto conqueror of history, and always wins in the long term. It is pointless trying to oppose the Appeal to Myth, although there was this one lone hero who tried to stand up and fight valiantly against the Appeal to Myth, a long time ago, on a server far, far away...

Here's what Diane's special friend posted today at 911b:

"It occurs to me that Maher, Taibbi and others will not entertain the notion that Israel and its neocon operatives were involved in the attacks, which is where "Inside Job" naturally leads. That is the bottom line. Israel must be protected from this potentially catastrophic revelation, by any means necessary.

If America knew that Israel not only participated, but helped orchestrate 9/11, it could be the end of that apartheid pariah state -- as we know it today.

So, Israel's sympathizers attack 9/11 truth as being a danger to the existence of Israel. It's a natural defense mechanism. Truth is the natural enemy of the big lie, and of the big liars.

Media control has allowed this cover up to remain in place. It continues today. If you don't believe a strong zionist influence 'controls' most of the media in the US, you're just not paying attention. It's not exactly a well hidden secret."

That sounds pretty confident about Israel's role, wouldn't you say?