TruthMove Declaration - Try Not to Laugh

gretavo's picture

The signatories to this historic document are:

Max, TruthMove

Jon Gold, YBBS

Arabesque

Julian, TruthMove

Nicholas Levis

http://www.truthmove.org/content/2008-declaration/

Here's my favorite part:

Below is a list of theories and claims which do not have a convincing basis in verifiable facts. Such claims have served as a distraction for many honest activists and have ultimately damaged the credibility of the movement. This is a partial list, only meant to demonstrate some of the more prominent examples:

 Hmmmm....  One of these kids is not like the other...

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Hetware's picture

I assume you mean the Pentagon issue

The one which is not like the others is the question of what hit the Pentagon. I happen to believe that an airplane did hit the Pentagon, but I respect the opinions of those who are skeptical about that conclusion.

I'm glad they have a rabbinically approved "Truth" Movement(TM). Something that I flush down the toilet comes to mind.

"Holocaust denial/revisionism and Jewish conspiracy theories"

"All forms of racism"
Unless you happen to be of German ancestry, think the Truth was not told at the end of WWII, and want an honest and objective examination of the available evidence. Then you are held to be nothing but "Nazi scum" unworthy of anything but several years in solitary confinement.

And damn! I'm pulling punches V. I am being excessively kind to you. You do not deserve it.

casseia's picture

Here's what I posted over there...

truthmove wrote:
Well, it's good to see that most all the complaints so far have been irrational, personal vendettas, and generally insignificant.

Perhaps this seems like an accurate assessment of the critique you have seen so far, but rest assured, there are other much more substantial criticisms waiting in the wings. My opinion, in a nutshell, is that there is not nearly enough trust and good faith in the 9/11 Truth Movement right now for a platform like this to be anything but divisive and destructive. (And by that I mean, divisive among people who might otherwise work together constructively -- blind unity for unity's sake is not a goal of mine.) There are indeed good reasons that ALL of us should be looking carefully at EVERY aspect of the Truth movement and asking ourselves, if there was going to be a controlled false opposition movement to the 9/11 OCT what would it look like and might it look like this. That's a starting point for a process of inquiry, not a foregone conclusion, but one that strikes me as more and more important.

gretavo's picture

Jon Gold Going Against His Principles!

Despite being a signatory to the above statement from TruthMove which says that doubting the official story of AA77 hitting the Pentagon hurts the movement, and having stated in the past that he has no doubt that AA77 hit the Pentagon, Jon Gold will be introducing David Ray Griffin, proponent of both the fact that AA77 did *could not have hit the Pentagon* and that the Twin Towers and WTC7 *had* to have been brought down by controlled demolition, which Jon Gold believes is still not proven beyond a reasonable doubt.  Jon Gold has also said that the calls "from the planes" on 9/11 are proof that the planes were hijacked whereas Dr. Griffin is on record saying that he does not believe there were any Arab or Muslim hijackers that day, just framed patsies.

David Ray Griffin - 'Time For A Second Look' Tour - Pennsylvania, April 7

Jpass's picture

STFU

STFU. That's what I say when someone tells me how to think and follows it up by instructing me on how to act. And these guys even teach us how to treat 'bad truthers' when we encounter them! Thank Gold!

Who cares what these people sign.

Anyone who needs a group to tell them what is good thought and what is bad should probably join up!

Whenever I come accross Jon Gold, he's plugging himself or he's mentioning an important topic while pointing out that he's been pointing it out in other blogs, links, articles, scribbles and declarations.

These people are positioning themselves for careers as 9/11 Truthers.

....begin sarcasm....

Thanks to this and the ongoing education I get from Jon Gold and others I'm now thinking to myself:

"wheww! thank GOD these authorities of 9/11 Truth have signed and declared UFO and Alien Abduction as a bad line of focus for 911 Truth"

Don't lie you guys! You know we were all leaning towards that NAZI alien abduction victim was blackmailed into pulling the Directed Energy Weapons trigger and forced blame all the Jews' theory. Or am I the only one?

Whewww. Thank god for these guys helping to set us all straight. And then taking the time to instruct us on how to act when we encounter bad 911 Truth thoughts.

...end sarcasm...

What a load of trash.

"Do not allow the proliferation of irresponsible information or damaging behavior simply because the individuals or groups in question maintain a certain reputation or notoriety within the movement."

Bill "the Shill" Douglas anyone?

9-11 Family Guy's picture

don't knock Bill Douglas or Steve Alten!!

And just because some of us have been shrill in denouncing things like controlled demolition and no big Boeing at the Pentagon and pushing angles that preserve the Islamofascist myth doesn't mean we're not willing to try to salvage what little reputation we have left by pretending to not have such a big problem with them now. We wanna be on the winning team like everyone else--it's not our fault that the Real Truth is so hard to keep secret!

Mossadmed Atta's picture

thanking you for your support...

... oh very large one. Allah looks with favor on you for steadfastly supporting the glorious narrative of our victorious Jihad against the great Satan's symbols of freedom and prosperity.

KS-n-M's picture

what am I, chopped liver?

where is thanks to me for providing account of our mission to Zelikow and his Commission? not for nothing did I fail to withstand pressure of his evil sexual tortures and spill the beans along with my precious seed! Allah curse you playboy fake pilots who claim all the glory. Even my martyrdom is now in jeopardy thanks to the new bleeding heart infifdel administration!

Jpass's picture

haha

haha. I think I spoke out against the use of user accounts in this way on wtcdemo but I have to admit... damn i was wrong. This is funny!

gretavo's picture

well this is how some of us stay sane...

if you can believe that we're still sane... :)

i agree with your assessment that the whole situation post-Bush with nothing really having changed is downright bizarre--however not unexpected. It does seem that Obama love is wearing a little thin--I read somewhere his approval rating is down to 50%. But I also swear to you that we are making inroads among lots of people--I have at LEAST one person every day ask me about my sign, one guy today was all receptive and hadn't even heard of building 7. I've had people in cars driving by giving me the thumbs up, or smiling and nodding. Others walk by and voice their approval without stopping--as if to say "Yup, no need to discuss, right on..." Without hyperbole, I have next o no doubt that it's simply a matter of time, and I don't mean 30 years either. Whether it's 1, 2 or ten more years isn't too important anymore--what matters is that it becomes easier with every passing day to talk about this with more and more people and that process changes the facts on the ground even if it doesn't (yet) cause a wholesale breaking of the dam. It's a frikkin GREAT time to be a truther, IMHO!

Jpass's picture

Don't forget these guys...

The one eyed terrorist....

The one handed terrorist and his heavily drugged fun boy

If you're stiiiilll not scared you're weird