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Rabbi Weiss Tells It Like It Is |
PollCan Maduro get a fair trial from Alvin Hellerstein? Of course, Judge Hellerstein is a jurist with integrity. 0% No, Judge Hellerstein works on behalf of the Zionist deep state. 0% Whether he does or not is irrelevant, Maduro is part of the op. 0% He will be bribed into pleading guilty to something minor. 100% Other (specify in comments.) 0% Total votes: 1
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Rabbi Weiss rocks it
One aspect of his message that I've heard before and which cannot be overemphasized is the idea that Jews and Muslims (and Christians) have peacefully coexisted in close proximity for hundreds of years in many countries, including Palestine. Oddly, Shi'a and Sunni Muslims did in Iraq, too, for hundreds of years. It's almost as if someone gets something from engineering pseudo-religious conflict. /sarcasm
exactly, and that's why
no matter how many entreaties towards peace, there's always some evil malcontent stirring things up.
you wouldn't be talking about divide and conquer now would you! }:)
Too Bad
Now the Noble Jewish people have to deal with HAMAS, Hizbo'llah, Islamic Jihad, al-Quds Force, and al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade. These groups would not exist with the Jewish state, and, like all groups, they are concerned with self-survival... in other words they do not peace.
One of the biggest driving forces behind this is, of course, Iran's Islamic Revolutionary regime.
This loud-mouth Weiss is nothing but an ignorant wanna-be dhimmi.
- Kap'n Konservo
p.s. What makes y'all think the U.S. would let Israel give in to a regime like Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Hamas, Fatah, etc.?
Perhaps if Israeli/Palestinian nonjews were treated like dimam
The word dhimmi (plural dimam) literally means "protection, care, custody, covenant of protection, compact; responsibility, answerableness; financial obligation, liability, debt; inviolability, security of life and property; safeguard, guarantee, security; conscience" and ahl-dhimmi is "the free non-Muslim subjects living in Muslim countries who, in return for paying the capital tax, enjoyed protection and safety."[9]
THINGS WOULDN'T GAVE GOTTEN SO BAD...
Not quite
"Dhimmi" is singular, and all the dhimmis are known as al-dhimma, and not only is the al-dhimma required to pay a tax called the jizya, but they are also treated as non-citizens as is required in the Qur'an:
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YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
PICKTHAL: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
SHAKIR: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
I personally feel that Israel should allow the freedom which they do. I don't think persecuting non-Jews would ethical, but maybe you are right, if the Islamic terror organizations did not have the freedoms which they abuse today, there would not be such a problem.
hey, "not quite"
you can prooftext old testament with similar prejudiced imperatives/ entreaties against "the other"....
these, unfortunately, ignore the common threads of love, social justice and compassion for the poor & downtrodden found in all faiths.
if certain palestinian groups have resorted to violence, what do you come up with when you ask why? and, are you saying that certain israelis never commit acts of violence and terror???
http://wtcdemolition.com/blog/node/528
re: Kate of the kiosk
if certain palestinian groups have resorted to violence, what do you come up with when you ask why?
It originated with some of the more extremist ideologies of the Muslim Brotherhood, which was founded in Egypt in the early 1900s (hence, before Israel existed and not even from the Palestinians themselves), and today this violent ideology is perpetuated by in large part by funding from Iran's Islamic "Revolutionaries."
and, are you saying that certain israelis never commit acts of violence and terror?
Not at all! I'm saying that groups like HAMAS and Islamic Jihad are not going to be taken seriously as long as they keep encouraging the Palestinians to blow themselves up for Allah.
not taken seriously
i agree when thinking  in "mainstream".Â
However, Annoymouse ( and by the way, pen yourself a pseudonym and join the fray!), i now question whether some of the so-called suicide attacks are real...
anyway, welcome (ah hah len wah sa ha len) to our site.  be we muslim, christian, jew...we become one in this great endeavor for truth and justice ... and knowledge? (how do you really spell this "welcome" in Arabic?)
Thank you,
I'm actually a Pyrrhonist in general, and you are indeed correct that not everything that we see should be taken at face value. I'd love to discuss things further, but I think I'll wait until my account is activated so I don't have to post as 'annoymouse.' I don't know what 'welcome' is in Arabic, but 'invitation' is da'wah.
done... welcome, Konservo
I would like to point out that you're unlikely to find anyone on this site who supports HAMAS or Islamic Jihad or any other violent movement. In fact, as for myself I suspect that these groups are created, funded, and directed not at all in the interest of the Palestinian people but instead against them in order to discredit their legitimate grievances against the illegal and immoral Zionist project.
Zionism itself is a violent and in my view illegitimate would-be representative of the world's Jews, an anti-religious movement that co-opted the notion of Jewish identity from religious teachers in order to create a base for some global financial elites in an important strategic area.
That Israel is, like Nazi Germany was, a racist state bent on ethnic cleansing in order to achieve "purity" and that it does so, like Nazi Germany, through a strong militaristic credo of nationalism "über alles" is no small coincidence. It is my opinion from my study of history that the rise of the Nazi state was supported and funded by the world's financial elites not just to eliminate Germany as a potential threat to British/financial elite hegemony over Europe but also to use as a stepping stone to a bipolar world order by creating a "right wing" foil for "left wing" Communist Russia.
Hitler's policies of deporting Jews in his efforts to purify Europe fit in nicely with the Zionist project which needed to somehow convince European Jews to leave Europe and emigrate to Palestine to serve as cannon fodder/boots on the ground. Thus a policy was set into practice that continues to this day of attacking people who are nominally "on your side" so as to evoke a reaction from them that will ultimately support your ends. While this has been going on with Jews in Israel and abroad since the Zionist project got into gear, 9/11 marked the exporting of the practice to America. Attack us, tell us who it "actually" was, and thereby elicit from us the response that suits your agenda (conquest and global domination via divide and conquer, etc.) I think Gilad Atzmon, Israeli exile artist/political commentator put it best when he said that neoconservatism is just globalized Zionism.
We are all--Jews, Christian, Atheists, Buddhists, Muslims, etc. victims of the manufactured reality of a criminally-minded elite class that abhors democracy and self-determination and is committed to thwarting all possibilities of the world's people joining together across all lines of division to fight them and their schemes. Modern Communism itself was invented precisely to sucker half of the world's masses into falling in line behind a "champion" who would never really deliver on its promises but instead preoccupy the hearts and minds of half the world against the other. The rise of the "neoliberal consensus" is nothing less than a consolidation of both halves of the old cold war dichotomy agianst an invented enemy that, by professing to be against the neo-liberal worldview is intended to leave no option for the vast majority of the world's people than to pick between two undesirable programs.
> Modern Communism itself
> Modern Communism itself was invented precisely to sucker half of the world's masses into falling in line behind a "champion" who would never really deliver on its promises but instead preoccupy the hearts and minds of half the world against the other.
Well that's taking a rather boiler-plate view of a very complex series of events such as the Russian and Chinese revolutions. One shouldn't venture into the subject unless one is prepared to dig very carefully through Cold War propaganda and get to the better documented aspects of reality. The fact is that the overall expected lifespan and mortality rates of Russians and Chinese did improve significantly because of the revolutions in these countries. The old Cold War fable of a "manmade Ukrainian famine" has been pretty well demolished by Mark Tauger:
http://www.as.wvu.edu/history/Faculty/Tauger/soviet.htm
The purges of the 1930s were bloody and unjustified, but many of the more popular claims which people like to toss around are grossly inflated. A good survey of what available data from the archives shows, and comparisons with more Cold War myths, is given in the October 1993 piece by Wheatcroft and others:
http://www.etext.org/Politics/Staljin/Staljin/articles/AHR/AHR.html
No, anyone who honestly takes the time to go through the details of how the Whites lost the Russian civil war or how Chinag Kai-Shek and the Koumintang were overthrown will simply have to conclude that these were leaders politically out of touch with their own countries and no amount of aid from London or Washington could keep them from being overthrown. The attempt to rework the actual history backwards is an old paleo-con myth that doesn't hold up.
historical communism
certainly delivered on some of its promises particularly at the bginning in each case. over time in every case though it became clear that what we saw was by no means any kind of liberation of the people, just a temporary and shortlived redress of grievances that were of course in many cases quite real. I have done a fair amount of research and have quite an open mind about socialism/capitalism/etc. so I'll stick by my conclusions unless someone presents a better case against them than you just have, sorry! :)
> I'll stick by my
> I'll stick by my conclusions unless someone presents a better case against them
In a broad sense I don't know what your conclusions are other than a tendency to rehash some of Gary Allen's mythmaking. I had simply listed some of the grosser Cold War falacies because these do often influence people's judgments. There are plenty of valid criticisms to be made of the human rights record in those states that were classified as "socialist" or "peoples republic" (though never as "communist," except by conservatives). As with everything else though, including Hussein's Iraq, the propaganda machine so grossly inflates the more justified criticisms that one has to start by cutting things down to size. The famous "hundred million" claim, which is not at all consistent with either demographic records or the more documented aspects of the GULAG, seems to be a spinoff of Dostoyevsky's novel THE POSSESSED which carries several scenes that speak of "chopping off a hundred million heads."
But if one is simply going to focus on early periods without worrying too much about what emerged later, then the main point to realize is that there is absolutely no evidence to support the claim that either the Bolsheviks in 1917 or Mao in 1949 were in any way brought to power by Wall Street. The historical record clearly shows that the Whites received aid from the Allies, especially Britain, which they squandered; while Chiang Kai-Shek recieved aid from the Truman administration and General Joseph Stilwell, but the Kuomintang was too corrupt to sustain in power. There is absolutely no truth to the Right-wing assertions that either the Whites or the Kuomintang were destroyed by any type of Wall Street conspiracy. They were defeated by their own alienation from the ordinary people in Russia and China. Whatever later decisions were made by foreign powers in dealing with this fact have nothing to do with the cause of this initial defeat of the conservative forces.
who is gary allen?
not sure i've had the pleasure of familiarizing myself with his myths...
[EDIT: ahhh, the writer of None Dare Call it Conspiracy. so mr annoymouse, what specifically did Gary Allen lie about in that book?]
As already noted, Allen
As already noted, Allen repeats the old Right-wing myth of the Bolsheviks being placed in power by Wall Street and even extends that to the Chinese revolution. Neither of these myths is supported by the actual record of how the Russian and Chinese civil wars went and how alienation from the people caused the defeat of the conservative forces.
My loose impression from some of your own comments is that you sound like a former anarchist of some type or other. I've noticed a trend towards the Right among people who may start out with some Chomskyeque brand of libertarianism coupled with suggestions that some type of anarchistic socialism ala Bakunin should have been possible in 1917 Russia. When such people have become sufficiently turned off to Chomsky they sometimes retain the old ideological antagonism towards the Reds of 1917 taken from Chomsky by converting into a bland acceptance of myths from someone like Allen. Whatever the details in your past journeys, you sound much like people I've known who followed that route.
But just to take Allen's chapter "Bankrolling the Bolshevik Revolution." The first statement in that chapter which he makes that has any bearing on the Bolsheviks, coming after a long rant which doesn't have much to do with the 1917 revolution, is:
"Most people today believe the Communists were successful in Russia because they were able to rally behind them the sympathy and frustration of the Russian people who were sick of the tyranny of the Czars."
Already he sets up a caricature, since no historians have ever claimed such. Russians were sick of the Czars, and the revolution which exploded in early 1917 was very anarchistic in nature and definitely not the result of a conspiracy. But the Bolshevik revolution came 8 months later. Now he starts inserting false insinuations with:
"Kerensky, a so-called democratic socialist, may have been running a caretaker government for the Communists."
Rubbish. Kerensky's moves make some sense if one takes the time to understand the impossible situation of that time. The conservative officers of the old Czarist army were hell bent on continuing the war with Germany. We don't remember such facts so well because the First World War hasn't left so much of a direct ideological imprint. If someone spoke of army officers who supported a war against Hitler without liking Stalin we would understand that simply because we've been taught to remember the anti-Hitler ideology of WWII. WWI left no such imprint, and our impression left over from WWII is to equate German forces (Hitler) with anti-Bolshevism, so that people don't realize the extent to which the most Right-wing Russian officers in 1917 were determined to carry on the war against Germany.
In addition to the rabid anti-German sentiment among military officers who Kerensky depended upon, there was also the pressure from the western allies for Russia to remain in the war. Russia's prewar industry had been built up with investment from France, Britain and the allies fighting Germany. Kerensky attached strong importance to remaining on good terms with such states, particularly as the majority of Russian liberals prefered such nations over Germany. So remaining in the war was necessary for Kerensky to sustain friendship with the west.
Simultaneously, the mood of people in Russia was swinging far to the Left. The Bolsheviks were the most tightly organized of the various Left-wing groups, but they were not at all the largest such. Among farmers the Social Revolutionaries had traditionally been the predominant Left-wing force. In the cities during the peacetime the Menshevisk usually had a slight majority over the Bolsheviks among urban laborers. But whatever the form which things took, the sharp turn to the Left across the whole country was surpassing anything which Kerensky was able to meet the demands of. In such circumstances a rational political strategy for Kerensky to follow was to welcome all sectors of the Left back to Russia while counting upon intra-Left feuds to contain things. Kerensky could not, in the political climate of 1917 Russia, afford to simply lean on conservative army officers while the whole country moved to the far Left. He needed to seek to establish himself as the leader of a coalition of the whole Left to avoid seeming like a puppet of the army.
Spain in the 1930s was partly an example of how the Spanish Left was able to destroy itself internally and thereby deliver a victory to Franco. But also it has to be stated that Franco would never have tolerated the level of corruption which was endemic among the Russian officiers of the White armies. The known cases of Russian Volunteer Army officers allowing tanks given to them by the British to simply collapse into a river while everything that offered some monetary value was picked clean and sent to the black market would never have been tolerted by Franco.
It's in the context of Kerensky's request to Washington that Trotsky be permitted to return to Russia that many Right-wingers like to claim that Kerensky was aiding the Bolsheviks as part of a Wall Street conspiracy. This line of argument falls flat since Trotsky was not a Bolshevik in the spring of 1917. Trotsky and Lenin had been bitter ideological opponents for 15 years prior to the revolution. This fact was later used against Trotsky in the 1920s. If anyone on Wall Street had in early 1917 been planning a conspiracy to bring the Bolsheviks to power, then facilitating Trotsky's return to Russia would have made no sense. The factors which caused Trotsky and Lenin to patch things up were very locally driven, based on a review of how things were in Russia, and even then the rivalry between Trotsky and Stalin was there at an early stage. If someone like Jacob Schiff (a favorite name among paleo-cons) were secretly planning to bring Lenin to power then helping Trotsky go back to Russia would just mean introducing unpredictable variables. No, it was Kerensky himself who asked that Washington allow Trotsky's return, and he did so because Trotsky was not an ally but a Left-wing opponent of Lenin at the time.
This is just scratching the surface of all the false extrapolations that are written into Right-wing literature asserting a New York conspiracy to bring the Bolsheviks to power. Such ideologues definitely know little about the real details of how the revolution came about.
thanks for your views on the russian revolution
I think that there is plenty here for people to go through and through their own reading decide where they think the truth lies. Since you are posting anonymously, could you also do us a favor and let us know your views on 9/11? Like it or not I think that people deserve to know what they are, since you are asking that we take your views on other things seriously. For example, do you believe that planes and fire alone could have resulted in the destruction of the 3 world trade center towers?
I tried applying twice for
I tried applying twice for an account with password but wasn't able to obtain any. The first time may have been the result of an accidental typo. I actually did go back trying to apply for an account with my usual Username and was told that this was already taken. I then found that this Username was already entered under an email address that matched my own with the exception of one missing character, probably a small typo when I first applied. So I tried applying again, I received a message on Friday saying "Your application for an account is currently pending approval," and no further comment since. Oh well.
911 was an oddly suspicious event by any standard of common sense, but there has been such an accumulation of errors from all directions of the Troother Moovment that I've had to pull back from placing too many bets on any current thesis. As I've noted elsewhere, this site
http://911myths.com/index.html
deserves to be examined closely because they do a good job of flushing out some frequent errors that appear in many Troother Moovment pieces. The best critical investigators will be certain to keep track of a site which does a better than average job of critiquing the Troother Moovment.
I'm not at present prepared to say that the Towers did or did not require demolition in order to come down, although it seems plausible enough to suggest that. It's probably easier to make a case that the Oklahoma bombing had something more than is claimed in the official story, and then allow compare with 911. To really decide whether or not the WTC required bombs to come down would necessitate very expensive experiments such as building models in Utah desert and them crashing remote controlled planes into them to bring them down. Something like the Oklahoma bombing is easier to replicate and compare experimentally with. Given some of the errors which appear in many versions of the controlled demolition thesis,
http://911myths.com/html/wtc__demolition_.html
it's probably a wise idea to subject all controlled demolition theses for the WTC to intensely critical scrutiny. But still, there is the Oklahoma case before this and that definitely looks like an inside-job with planted bombs, so the WTC may also be the same.
As far as motives for the whole thing, assuming that some form of inside-job thesis prevails, I can think of three off hand that are tempting in certain ways.
Jared Israel, an ex-Leftist-turned-Zionist, has nevertheless done a good job of laying out a prima facie case for the idea that 911 and the invasion of Iraq are part of a long-term campaign aimed at Russia which continues the Cold War and aims to surround Russia with Muslim states to further break it up. His case for that is argued out here and is especially worth reading by anyone used to swimming solely in the "Israel behind everything" cesspool:
http://emperors-clothes.com/iraq-iran.htm
The one real outstanding flaw that I see in his arguments is when he refuses to acknowledge that Holocaust revisionism, particularly such figures Carlo Mattogno or Germar Rudolf, has done more than simply rehashing old racist diatribes. But that raises another issue about 911. The USA PATRIOT Act and the Global Anti-Semitism Act should ring bells reminding one of the Holocaust Denial laws in Europe which allowed Germar Rudolf to be kidnapped and imprisoned:
http://germarrudolf.com/
But that does that really allow us to conclude anything specific about 911 and who did it? Not really. I think a lot will be gauged in the next few years by how Washington handles Iran. While I have no desire to give advice to imperial policy-makers either way, a lot will be determined by Washington does or does not act towards Iran in the next few years. Various people whom I respect a lot have taken conflicting points of view on whether or not we should expect an attack on Iran or whether the Washington-Tehran face-off is just a bluff aimed at covering over the growth of Iranian influence as a deliberate byproduct of the Iraq invasion. If Iran really is invaded, as the candidates of the party I supported in 2004 and intend to support again in 2008 have claimed it may be,
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/dec2007/nie-d05.shtml
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/jan2007/nyvo-j15.shtml
then that will fit in with Netanyahu's concept of "A Clean Break." But if no such invasion of Iran occurs, then the invasion of Iran will have only accomplished a growth of Iranian Muslim influence in the Middle East. If that proves to be the case it will at least be necessary to say that Netanyahu made a prize blooper in providing an endorsement from Israel of an Iraqi invasion which has only strengthened radical Islam in the Mideast. In that case it will be reasonable to at least reconsider Jared Israel's argument that the strengthening of Islam around Russia was always the intent.
Apart from those two points, strengthening Islam against Russia or following "A Clean Break" agenda, the only other motive that I can think of for 911 as an inside job which creates the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq would be control of oil supplies. Actually the oil industry has been much less prominent in the official war camp than groups like JINSA and the PNAC. But anyone who reviews the quarterly profits of the oil industry in the last few years will see that they've had a windfall gain. Hard to see that as a coincidence. But does it mean that they had any direct hand in 911? or did they just benefit from the war in Iraq as a fallout effect?
Lots of questions. No clear answers.
from "the naked capitalist"
gretavo's note: Dr. Skousen, who passed away in 2006, was apparently a member of the LDS church. I wonder if Steven Jones' views on international banking came from a study of Skousen's work? In any case, I learned of Skousen's (and Quigley's) books in Alan Jones' (Alan, not Alex!) How the World Really Works, which I highly recommend. Each chapter in HTWRW is basically a review of someone else's book, including Creature from Jekyll Island on the Fed and Final Judgement by Michael Collins Piper which explains the CIA/Mob/Zionist connection in the JFK assassination...
The Naked Capitalist
In “The Naked Capitalist†, Dr. Skousen reviews the book “Tragedy and Hope†by Carroll Quigley. It reveals how some of the richest people in the world have supported communism and socialism. Why would they support what appears to be the pathway to their own destruction? Dr. Quigley has been associated with many of these dynastic families of the super-rich. He therefore writes as an authority on the world's secret power structure. His answers to the above question may astonish you.
This book is currently OUT OF PRINT.
However, it is due to be available in November 2007.
Also, an electronic version is available on
The Complete Works of W. Cleon Skousen on CD-ROM.
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Excerpt from "The Naked Capitalist":
So Where Does All of This Leave Traditional Americans?
As I see it, the great contribution which Dr. Carroll Quigley unintentionally made by writing Tragedy And Hope was to help the ordinary American realize the utter contempt which the network leaders have for ordinary people. Human beings are treated en masse as helpless puppets on an international chess board where giants of economic and political power subject them to wars, revolution, civil strife, confiscation, subversion, indoctrination, manipulation and outright deception as it suits their fancy and their concocted schemes lot world domination.
But, as we have previously mentioned, this mass of world humanity is precisely the source of latent power which terrifies the Establishment. There is the constant fear that the masses might awaken and frustrate their gigantic schemes, particularly where they have acquired an education and accumulated a little property (which gives them a highly significant degree of independence).
That is what has happened to the mass of humanity in America. They now constitute the great and overwhelming majority of the people, called the middle class. And Dr. Quigley, as we have already seen, leaves no doubt as to the menace which middle-class Americans are believed to represent insofar as the Establishment is concerned.
It was once the great American dream to make as many people as possible a part of the great middle class because it was recognized to be the backbone of our society and the most important segment of the population in maintaining a progressive, self-governing, secure, and freedom-loving people. But, obviously, if you are trying to set up a virtual dictatorship, this group is an enemy. This group will resist a dictatorship. At least, it will do so if it knows what is happening.
So this is the fact of life which the super-rich collectivists of the Establishment face today. Everything they do must be accomplished in an atmosphere of propaganda and deception. Otherwise they keep running into a groundswell of resentment and resistance as they try to compel middle class Americans to give up their independence, their property, and their constitutional prerogatives.
http://www.skousen2000.com/political%20products/capitalist.htm
Skousen's book is typical of
Skousen's book is typical of what passes for "research" on the paleo-con Right-wing. Not only does he give primary importance to a book which lacks footnotes and citations, but he very badly misquotes it to distort some key points which Quigley was making. Quigley describes how the corruption of Chiang Kai-Shek's government made it impossible for Washington to hold it up in power. Later Quigley comments on what he characterizes as public relations efforts to get the public ready for the unavoidable overthrow of Chiang Kai-Shek. Skousen and others distort this into an alleged confession by Quigley that supposedly Mao was created by Wall Street, but that clearly is not what Quigley says:
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Chiang Kai-shek was a man of considerable ability and experience, and may not himself have been involved in the corruption of his regime, but he was deeply involved personally with cliques and gangs of persons whose chief aims were to profit from their public positions and from their close associations with Chiang and to resist, by any means, efforts to reform or strengthen China which might reduce their opportunities for corruption. These relationships, in 1945, in some cases had continued for almost twenty years. American aid and the contributions of the Chinese themselves disappeared in the network of corrupt and mutually beneficial relationships which were spread throughout the system and which made it impossible for the Chiang regime to provide a decent living for the people of China or even to defend itself against possible enemies, internal or external. Arms and supplies from abroad were dissipated, vanishing in one way or another, sometimes forever; but on other occasions they turned up subsequently in the hands of guerillas or of the Communist enemies of Chiang's regime. An enormous and incompetent army drained from the peasants, at low prices, large requisitions which were sold, usually for private profit, at high prices into urban black markets. In the two years following the defeat of Japan, $1,432 million in American assistance to China vanished in one way or another, and at the end the Chinese Army and the Chiang regime was weaker than ever.
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-- Quigley, TRAGEDY & HOPE, pp. 905-6.
So Quigley is listing some of the reasons why Washington's efforts to support Chiang were hopeless, and then he goes on to the eventual acceptance of this fact in Washington. Not exactly a confession that Mao was created by Wall Street, not by a long shot. That's a distorted misreading of what Quigley wrote which people like Skousen tried to market to their ideological audience. The fact that internal corruption was what destroyed the Kuomintang despite Washington's attempts to hold it up can be documented up and down without relying on Quigley. But just for the record, Quigley's version of events also agrees with this historical reality.
In general it's not a good idea to depend very much on a book like TRAGEDY AND HOPE. It lacks all citational references and reads in some places like disinformation of the Russo type. One of the most frequently cited phrases in Quigley's book is the claim that by end of the 19th century, the ‘far-reaching aim’ of many of the world’s leading bankers, prime among being the House of Rothschild, was to create ‘a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole.’ This famous quote is discussed in detail against the background of evidence dealing directly with events by Will Banyan:
http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/third_section/FOSDICK_OCT_2005.html
My first impression of such phrases is that Quigley is doing the same thing done by Russo when he floated the lie that feminism was created by the Rockefellers. We all presumably know that feminism was around since at least the time of Mary Wollstonecraft, long before the Rockefeller family acquired any wealth. But it's common that once a movement has achieved some recognition it often is then retroactively claimed by the upper class and redefined to mean something different than what it originally meant. That's what Russo helps to achieve by promoting the false story that feminism was created by the Rockefeller's. Quigley's assertion about 'a world system' being planned in the 19th century also has the effect of projecting the ideas of Raymond Fosdick, which were still not accepted by John D. Rockefeller at the time of World War One, back to an earlier time as if it was planned all along. Most likely a deliberate spin by Quigley.
It has to emphasized, someone who wishes to understand how the Chinese or Russian revolutions came about should put no stock in hacks like Skousen or Allen who depend heavily on broad ideological sweeps without much detail about what actually occurred in Russia or China. It's better to just read detailed studies of the events which allow some direct reconstruction of how the Kuomintang fell.
some pages from how the world really works
and a couple more
This can be noted as a
This can be noted as a lesson in the techniques of Right-wing propaganda, but not much else. Some things worth noting are the way the author slides back and forth between multiple broad assertions with very little evidence for either, but attempts to use them to buttress each other. At one point we have a major assertion that Lenin, Stalin and Mao were all placed in power by a common hidden hand. f we move along we jump consecutively from that to claims that public education has made some references to socialism, without ever backing up the earlier assertions about how each of Lenin, Stalin and Mao acquired power in very different circumstances.
The reason why elite-endorsed public education may have in the past included some psalms to socialism was because socialism was a popular concept a hundred years ago. But socialism was never an aim of the ruling class and we've seen since Reagan what the ruling class really thinks of public education. None of that has anything much to do with how Mao came to power anyway. The reaso why mao was able to come to power is fairly simple. From 1937 on Mao's forces in China played down the class struggle theme and instead emphasized a common patriotic war against Japan. At the same time the Communist Party of China made certain that landlords treated ordinary peasants all right in the regions where the CCP had authority. On the other end, Chiang was more hesitant about getting too deeply involved in a war with Japan as he felt the need to prepare for a later war with the CCP. Simultaneously Chinag supported all of the traditional landlords of China against the landless peasants and this became a source of unlimited corruptio within the Kuomintang. General Jospeh Stilwell was sent to Chiang to advise him on how to build up a professional army for fighting the Japanese and he found it impossible to accomplish anything with the Kuomintang. None of this was created by the CFR or any other organization in Washington. These were just facts on the ground which any policy-maker had to deal with. Even where there were certified Soviet agents such as Alger Hiss, this had no bearing on the outcome of events in China.
Regarding such Soviet agents as Hiss or Owen Lattimore, this is another good example of how Right-wingers sweep multiple details from different times and places into a single bucket without much understanding. If one is going to understand the situation in the 1930s as it involved Soviet spies and cross-agency collaboration this should be clearly set apart from questions of how Lenin came to power. The Depression in the 1930s shook many people's faith in capitalism. At the same time Stalin was advising Communist parties around the world to fit in with liberals and not make trouble. On the other end of the spectrum fascist groups were appearing. Many different people with varying agendas formed connections either with Soviet intelligence directly or else general political coalitions which included the Communist Parties under an anti-fascist banner of some kind. In such coalitions the Communist Parties were accepted because others saw that the Communists were obeying Moscow's orders to not incite labor turbulence but were actually having a calming effect in advising workers not to be too troublesome while Moscow sought military alliances against Hitler. Untangling all the different motives and special interests that became involved in such coalitions and even worked with Soviet intelligence on the sly can be a fascinating puzzle, but it has nothing to do with understanding why the Bolsheviks won a civil war in 1918-22 where Britain and other countries actually had given significant aid to the Whites. The political world is very dynamic and simply jotting down some selected facts from the 1930s when Harry Dexter White cooperated with Soviet intelligence tells us abolutely nothing about how the Bolsheviks won much earlier in a different context. Confusing such distinctions is a staple of Right-wing propaganda.