Oh not again... Steven Jones Goes Fetzal?
[please let's pick one post on which to comment about this development. I nominate mine: http://wtcdemolition.com/blog/node/2641 -gReT]
[I agree that we should only have one, and given that *I* tipped gReT off to this story, it should obviously be this one -- c455]
Posted at 911blogger by user Dearth, regarding something that happened as the AE911T press conference was winding around yesterday but a live internet feed was still on:
Did I see Steven Jones delivering a presentation on his hypothesis that the Haiti earthquake was man-made? The sound and video was not good and I could not see much. But this did indeed appear to be what Jones was talking about.
I said to myself, "Oh, Christ! As if it isn't difficult enough to be treated seriously by the mass media" . This is like handing ammunition to the enemy, IMO.
It's obvious that the media will never address 911 Truth questions and suspicions; not for an awfully long time if ever. I have to wonder what ELSE could this movement possibly do that it hasn't already done? The civilian trial of KSM seemed like a good opportunity but that may go away for us as well. 911 Truth seems destined to just simmer below the radar of mass America for years. I know a lot of people here are expecting some sort of imminent breakthrough but I just don't see it happening. I hope I'm wrong.
Dr. Jones has been a hero of mine since his first paper on the destruction of the Towers. But I think he needs to have his head examined for elaborating upon his Haiti hypothesis (if indeed I saw what I thought I saw).
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Elsewhere, gretavo writes...
Was Steven Jones Deliberately Sabotaging the AE911Truth Press Conference With Talk of Manmade Earthquakes?
The case could well be made. While I don't doubt that research has probably been done into provoking earthquakes through strategic explosions, and that Haiti may have been a rehearsal for a more significant event, perhaps targeting Iran or others, this was not the time or place to bring it up, imho. I say this with the full awareness that many people think we are wrong to discuss the holocaust and even the moon landing as possibly staged/exaggerated events, but the difference as I see it is we do not do it in the middle of an event that the entire truth movement is pinning its hopes on and being asked to promote heavily. It seems we have tolerate Jones and his idiosyncracies for a long ime because he had been one of the only voices in the wilderness. It may well be time to disavow him, especially if he expands his interest in manmade weather and other natural phenomena into the realm of chemtrails, which we have also seen rearing its head on sites like 9/11blogger from certain users. We can be pretty certain that governments have throughout history spent time and money on some pretty harebrained schemes because, well, you never know, but to treat each and every one of those possible projects as definitively existing in serious useful forms with no good science or evidence to back up the claim is a pretty obvious example of perfidious harm of a cause through faulty arguments, and Jones with his "Jesus in America" research seems like a prime suspect for being a source of such perfidious harm.
what did he say actually?
Imho, if i had been in attendance at this conference, I could see myself with an assortment of other 911 truth advocates and researchers, who also happen to consider the possibility of HAARP having been implemented in Haiti not out of the realm of our clandestine department of defense, grabbing the opportunity to ask a premier 911 scientist/physicist his thoughts. Would I have remained silent? Yes, for the main body of the presentation Q&A period, but certainly not later in the day if the opportunity presented itself.
As far as Dr. Jones' indiosyncrasies, to each his own. As we mostly agree, it is not about one's right- or left-wing morality anymore. The pursuit of 911 truth and justice hovers above. There is an illuminating little interview with KB and Jones on one of Kevin's earliest "Fair and Balanced" radio shows perhaps archived on noliesradio. AFter listening to this, Jones struck me as a man who as a researcher had gone down too many rabbit holes and has become fed up with the powers that be, and perhaps from the perspective of a libertarian-leaning, NRA-affiliated, Christian patriot constitutionalist who has lost hope in our ability to effect change in our nation's course. Then again, I could be absolutely wrong.
felt i needed to revisit a wiki this morning
".....In one interview, he asserted that the attacks were "an 'inside job', puppeteered by the neoconservatives in the White House to justify the occupation of oil-rich Arab countries, inflate military spending, and expand Israel."[27]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Jones
well, let's see...
"...Christian patriot constitutionalist..."
He's a Morman who believes that Jesus was resurected in America and he has written books on the "stigmatas" painted on the hands of Indians in early native American art.
"... has become fed up with the powers that be..."
Well, he worked for many years for the "powers that be". The Department of Energy and at Los Alamos labs (where, by the way he worked in "nano technologies" which just happens to be the same place his "nanothermite" references come from")
You also mentioned in another comment that his Wiki page says he suspects Israeli involvement... Fact is, as a Mormon generally and specifically a BYU professor, they are very sympathetic with the Israeli/zionist agenda. BYU has a campus in Jerusalem on what used to be Palestinian land. The Mormons actually think that the early native Americans were Israelites a lost tribe I guess, I don't know.
"Jones struck me as a man who as a researcher had gone down too many rabbit holes..."
One of his early "rabbit holes" was the study of cold fusion. He was tasked by the Department of Energy to undermine the Pons / Fliechman study on the subject many years ago. Basically he was an academic hitman for the Department of Energy. The oil industry and the uranium industry did pretty well after that. That's one of his "rabbit holes".
Now he is chatting about subjects that most of us cast aside years ago when Dr. Judy Wood kept connecting with 9/11 Truth. Guess her "ray beams from space" background was undermining all the credibility the "earthquake gun" should have gotton back then.
"The future is not inherited, it is achieved." JFK
Only if he really tries to
Only if he really tries to shove it down peoples' throats and is uncivil to anyone who disagrees will I suspect sinister motives. Otherwise, it's harmless speculation which occurred AFTER the main presentation was over, afaik.
you mean like how he behaved after his "peer reviewed"
paper was published in the vanity press?
He came out on Blogger and said that people should ONLY consider referencing his "peer reviewed" nanothermite paper and even went so far as to list ways people could talk about it.
I always thought that was a little pushy.
and frankly it's not harmless speculation. Would it be harmless speculation if he implied the secret government was behing lunar eclipses?
The JREF forum is already lit up with this as is ScrewLooseChange and all the rest.
It's no more a bit of "harmless speculation" than the no-planes hit the towers thing was or the "ray beams from space" crap.
Funny, didn't Jones get his start working with those people?
"The future is not inherited, it is achieved." JFK
did he?
"Funny, didn't Jones get his start working with those people?"
To whom are you referring WL?
that would be...
Morgan Reynolds, Judy Woods, and James Fetzer.
from late 2005 to late 2006, Jones and Fetzer ran scholars for 911 Truth. There were several other members, two of which were Judy Woods (ray beams from space) and Morgan Reynolds (former Bush administration official and "no planer"
They had a falling out over what should and should not be published.
in Nov of 2006, a Blogger post was put up. I don't know if, as the poster says, "Hard Evidence" is indeed Dr. Jones, but I do know that his email includes the words "hard evidence"... so you go figure.
That post, and the add-on from "Hard Evidence' hardly seems to be deragatory of their "energy beams" theory at all.
but you judge for yourself.
http://www.911blogger.com/node/4449
"The future is not inherited, it is achieved." JFK
we should also not forget
... that when Jim Hoffman published his "1.8 Million Ceiling Tile Bombs" theory in support of the release of Jones' nanothermite paper, Jones actually called Hoffman's ridiculous (and racist?) theory "plausable". That was a real eye opener for me.
"The future is not inherited, it is achieved." JFK
Jones is associated with Jim Hoffman and Victoria Ashley
I've been somewhat wary of Steven Jones ever since I heard that Hoffman and Ashley do PR for him. Those two are actively engaged in suppressing the truth about what happened at the Pentagon. If Jones is so smart, how come he can't see what Jim Hoffman and Ashley are up to?
It appears that there are more agents than actual truthers in this truth movement. While there may be millions of sincere, dedicated truthers, they are busy earning a living and do not generally have sufficient time and money to spend their entire day truthing and rise to positions of leadership -- unlike the agents who can do their truthing and still pull down a nice salary to send the movement down blind alleys.
I exempt Kevin Barrett and DRG from this, as I am convinced of their sincerity. But the entire mod team at blogger are most likely agents. I don't buy the incompetence theory -- that they "mean well" but are oblivious to what is going on. People who wake up to 9/11 are usually pretty sharp.
Gregg Roberts started off with Hoffman and Ashley
... when they got their website off the ground.
When I was talking with Jones two years ago about testing for explosive residues of commonly used high explosives, he eventually told me he would be interested in doing so, but first he had to get approval from Gregg Roberts.
I didn't know who Roberts was. Roberts refused to run the tests, that was the end of that.
But that is the connection between Hoffman, Ashley, and Jones.
Now we see Roberts has inserted himself in the only other highly reputable Truth organization left, AE911Truth...
and what has he done? He has gotton Gage to include more of Jones's work, got Jones at that press conference, AND he is installing one... Dwain Deets into the mix over there getting him to do lectures and stuff.
Deets is a career researcher for NASA. Specifically he worked on... get ready now... remote piloting systems... and DRONES. Deets was in charge of the program at NASA when they developed what became the Predator Drone and the Global Hawk missile (which went into action 2 weeks after 9/11).
"The future is not inherited, it is achieved." JFK
Gregg Roberts is listed as an associate editor on...
Jim Hoffman's site, http://911research.wtc7.net/re911/about.html
At this point, with all the work done by Pilots and CIT, if anyone says they still think a plane hit the Pentagon, that person is either:
A. Incredibly stupid
B. An agent
Ashley and Hoffman write extremely long mini-books to attempt to discredit CIT and promote the OCT about the Pentagon. If Roberts is on their team, nuff said.
There is nothing more incriminating than bombs at the Pentagon, and the perps know that. Which is why they have their attack dogs working 24/7 to shut up anyone who can't be cowed into parroting the OCT.
absolutely
Hoffman and Ashley and a variety of others undermined our investigations into the Pentagon, which was at one time one of the most incriminating parts of the story.
Roberts was involved
Then came along a guy who kept refusing to test for residues that any real forensic investigation would have tested for FIRST... and instead he kept revising his "thermite" story over and over again as people started to prove the variations wouldn't have worked...
Roberts was involved
Now we have a situation where activists are on the verge of complete despair over this, people like Jon Gold and others at TruthAction are saying we should stick to Jon's "50 points" LIHOP crap paper...
Roberts must have been involved
And the NASA chief that helped create the Drones and the Global Hawks and the remote piloting systems used by Dov Zacheims' company is writing papers with Gregg Roberts and attempting to replace Richard Gage at AE911Truth.
Did you know that there is a guy who runs a "debunking the debunkers" site who is making a movie featuring Gregg Roberts and Jim Hoffman? Gregg Roberts sicks him on me whenever I write something Roberts doesn't like. It's kinda cute actually.
"The future is not inherited, it is achieved." JFK
I wonder about the timing...
What with trials scheduled to begin in the spring for 12 cases hand picked by Judge Hellerstein, where the point of contention will not be, as it should, what cause dthe disintegration of the towers into toxic dust, but whether the city failed to protect people well enough. The first cases will of course be used to pressure the remaining cases to settle based on their outcomes...
Judge sets stage for trials over 9/11 illnesses - Washington Post
Hi Mr Willyloman
can I read more about this? where please?
"attempting to replace Richard Gage at AE911Truth."
I believe Gregg Roberts is a web editor of both
ae911truth.org AND Jim Hoffman's and Victoria Ashley's 911research and 911review sites.
DRG is afraid of the Israeli
DRG is afraid of the Israeli role-when questioned directly about it he acted offended by the question.