Dave McGowan's Center for an Informed America: What Happened at the Pentagon?

These posts are intended to mirror the text portions only of McGowan's series on the Pentagon. Visit his site to see the accompanying photographs and LOTS of very interesting analysis of 9/11 and other subjects.
Dave McGowan's Pentagon Newsletter 68E
Despite not being the first in his series, I think this is the best place to start with McGowan's Pentagon research, in part because he addresses (from way back in 2005) the "counter-truth" efforts of Jim Hoffman, Mark Robinowitz, et al that we now see directed mainly at CIT. I think it's worth taking a step back and seeing where we were before the current zeitgeist set in... -gReT
NEWSLETTER #68E
April 12, 2005
September 11, 2001 Revisited
ACT II: ADDENDUM 2
[Editor's Note: A popular hobby of late among some 9-11 researchers seems to involve disparaging the efforts of, and questioning the motives of, those researchers who refuse to ignore the fact that the available evidence is entirely inconsistent with the crash of a jetliner at the Pentagon. These individuals generally refer to certain other Pentagon investigators as "no-plane" theorists. For the purposes of this article, I have adopted a name for them as well: Tattoo theorists. This appellation is, of course, an homage to the "Fantasy Island" character best known for the tag line, "Ze plane! Ze plane!"
Two of the most aggressive of the Tattoo theorists, by the way, are Jim Hoffman and Brian Salter, both of whom were on the other side of the fence, so to speak, until fairly recently. If you have ever known someone who quit smoking and thereafter embarked on a mission to browbeat and berate every other smoker on the planet, then you have a pretty good idea of how the Tattoo theorists operate.]
On February 24, Brian Salter (questionsquestions.net) posted a histrionic denunciation of Pentagon "no-plane" theorists that included the bizarre claim that any efforts to "keep the unnecessary no-plane speculation alive just helps to smear 9-11 Truth activists as hateful maniacs. Maybe that's the idea."
Well, I guess the jig is up. Mr. Salter, it seems, has figured out our diabolical plot. All along, the real goal has been to cast 9-11 researchers as - dare I say it? - hateful maniacs. In fact, the 'talking points' that I receive from my secret CIA backers routinely contain such notations as: "Operation Hateful Maniacs is, as you know, proceeding on schedule; prepare to shift into the next phase of the program, Operation Deranged Psychopaths."
Of course, it could also be that those of us who continue to focus on the glaring inconsistencies in the official story of what happened at the Pentagon are actually pursuing the truth, which is what a "Truth activist" is supposed to do, rather than peddling entirely speculative drivel about a mythical 'plane bomb,' which is what the Tattoo theorists choose to do.
The primary strong-arm tactic of the Tattoo theorists is to cast "no-plane" theorists as part of a Cointelpro-type operation aimed at undermining the 9-11 skeptics' case. The "no-plane" theories, it is claimed, are "straw man" arguments, propped up specifically so that they can be easily brushed aside by "debunkers," thus discrediting the 9-11 movement in its entirety by attacking at points of greatest vulnerability.
In his blog, Salter claims "media debunkers have shown maximum enthusiasm for portraying [Pentagon no-plane theories] as the heart and soul of 9/11 skepticism and making it the centerpiece of practically every hit piece." (http://questionsquestions.net/blog/) Hoffman has written that "the prominence of the no-757-crash theory will damage the cause, particularly as it reaches a wider audience less inclined to research the issue ... The mainstream press is casting the no-757-crash theory as a loony construct of conspiracy theorists, and representative of all 9/11 skepticism." (http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagontrap.html) Mark Robinowitz has joined the chorus by claiming "'No Planes' has been the most effective means to discredit issues of complicity inside the Beltway." (http://www.oilempire.us/pentagon.html)
Obviously then, everyone is in agreement (as if they were all reading the same 'talking points') that we must immediately drop all support for the "no-plane" theories, because if we don't, we will continue to furnish the enemy with useful ammunition with which to attack and discredit us. Sounds like a good plan -- except for the fact that it is based on a false premise.
The reality is that there have been almost no mainstream media 'debunkings' of the 9-11 skeptics' case, and there is a very good reason for that: the cumulative case that has been painstakingly compiled is (despite the spirited efforts of people like the Tattoo theorists) a formidable one that major media outlets, along with most so-called 'alternative' media outlets, have wisely chosen not to confront.
By far the most ambitious, high-profile media 'debunking' of the claims made by 9-11 skeptics has been the hit piece that graced the cover of the March 2005 edition of Popular Mechanics magazine (http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html). Since it is known that this article was co-written by Benjamin Chertoff, reportedly a cousin of our very own Director of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff, then it is probably safe to assume that a primary objective was to knock down all the 'straw men' arguments that had been carefully planted and nurtured by government operatives. That is, after all, how this game is played, as the Tattoo theorists readily acknowledge.
We should, therefore, expect to find that the Popular Mechanics article focuses considerable attention on the Pentagon "no-plane" theories, and on the Pentagon attack in general. But what we find instead is quite the opposite; instead of emphasizing questions about the Pentagon, the issue is downplayed and given very little attention -- which isn't really surprising given that the attack on the Pentagon has always been, from day one, relegated to the status of a relatively insignificant footnote.
The PM article presents what it says are the top sixteen claims made by 9-11 skeptics, coupled with what are supposed to be 'debunkings' of each of those claims. The claims are grouped into four categories, which are presented in the following order: "The Planes" (the ones that hit the towers); "The World Trade Center" (the collapse of the towers); "The Pentagon"; and "Flight 93." Five of the sixteen claims examined concern the collapse of the WTC towers, four concern Flights 11 and 175, four concern Flight 93, and just three concern the Pentagon attack. In terms of word count, the article runs (minus the introduction) about 5,200 words, and it breaks down roughly as follows: collapse of towers - 2,050 words; WTC planes - 1250 words; Flight 93 - 1150 words; and the Pentagon - a paltry 750 words.
So if we are to use the focus of mainstream media attacks to gauge the points of greatest vulnerability in the 9-11 skeptics' case, then, in terms of both word count and number of claims examined, the collapse of the Twin Towers would be, by far, the weakest leak in the chain (which is kind of ironic, when you think about it, considering that most, if not all of the Tattoo theorists actively promote the theory that the towers were brought down with explosives). As for Pentagon "no-plane" theories, they are, according to the given criteria, the point of least vulnerability.
If we use the criteria of prominence of placement on the list, then the point of greatest vulnerability would be theories concerning the planes that hit the towers. Indeed, the very first claim that is examined concerns the notorious "pod plane" theories, and the third delves into the equally inane issue of 'windowless jets.' These are, of course, some of the real areas of vulnerability in the 9-11 skeptics' case. And though they are frequently linked to Pentagon theories, they are entirely separate issues.
Claims concerning the Pentagon attack don't make an appearance on the Popular Mechanics list until well into the second half of the article. And once they do appear, they are given very little print space. The three claims 'debunked' in the PM piece barely scratch the surface of the cumulative case that has been built to challenge the official version of the Pentagon attack. And the 'debunking' of even these cherry-picked 'claims' is pathetically inept. The undeniable lack of aircraft debris from the alleged crash, for example, is brushed aside with nothing more than this ludicrous emotional appeal from an alleged blast expert and witness to the aftermath of the attack: "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box ... I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"
You would think that if the Pentagon attack theories were the 'straw men' that the Tattoo theorists claim, then the 'debunkers' would be better prepared to knock those straw men down, and they would devote more print space to doing so. Instead, we find the Pentagon attack being downplayed in a major media attack on the 9-11 skeptics movement -- at the very same time, curiously enough, that a number of 9-11 skeptics have begun aggressively demanding that all "unnecessary speculation" about the Pentagon attack be dropped, and at the very same time that a new purported Pentagon skeptics' site suddenly appeared, professionally designed and complete with new interviews and photos (from insider sources), numerous omissions, copious amounts of spin and disinformation, a new DVD for sale, and, of course, enthusiastic backing from the Tattoo theorists and other 9-11 skeptics.
I have to say, quite frankly, that all of this just seems too well choreographed for my tastes. And, I have to also say that the Tattoo theorists' recent efforts to bury the Pentagon "no-plane speculation" seem rather desperate and overreaching. Consider, for example, the opening lines of the Salter post that I referenced at the beginning of this rant:
The latest escapade in the frantic effort to "keep the faith" amongst the Pentagon no-plane cult is the announcement of a great new "smoking gun". It turns out that a key figure in the Gannon scandal, GOPUSA.com president Bobby Eberle, who was a key White House go-between, testified that he witnessed the Pentagon strike on 9/11. Well, there's only one logical conclusion that anyone could draw from this -- that all of the witness testimony supporting the crash of a 757 airliner into the Pentagon is all part of a vast fraudulent conspiracy masterminded by Bobby Eberle! As the Xymphora blog tells it, with breathless drama:
"Forget about Gannon. The only reason he has been interesting is the prurient part of his story. I'm reading more and more about how everyone in the White House, up to and including Rove and Bush, is as gay as Paul Lynde, which just reflects the deep homophobia in the coverage of Gannongate. The gay aspect is a red herring. The deep politics aspect of the story is the connection between the White House, conservative e-mail harvester and fundraiser Bruce W. Eberle, and GOPUSA President Bobby Eberle. Bobby Eberle's eyewitness testimony of Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon is the big break we've been waiting for, the first tiny window into the American conspiracy behind 9-11."
http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2005/02/gannongate-and-9-11.html
While I certainly do not agree with everything that Xymphora has written here concerning the Gannon scandal, it is immediately apparent that Salter is grossly misrepresenting the situation. Specifically, no one that I know of, and certainly no one cited by Salter, has claimed that Bobby Eberle "masterminded" a vast conspiracy. Indeed, Xymphora's actual position is clearly stated in another excerpt that Salter has thoughtfully posted:
"I have speculated that at least some of the witnesses to the crash of Flight 77 into the Pentagon were ringers planted by the conspirators. What are the chances that Eberle, whose name has come up prominently in Gannongate, was an eyewitness to the crash? Those who are so certain that the testimony of eyewitnesses means that Flight 77 must have crashed into the Pentagon, despite the enormous amount of physical evidence to the contrary, just might want to give their heads a shake and rethink things. If the evidence of the crash of Flight 77 is so goddamn clear, why did the operators in the Republican Party feel the need to gild the lily?"
That is, I must say, a perfectly legitimate question -- although Salter dismisses it by proclaiming that "there is no basis to claim that Eberle's testimony represented an effort to 'gild the lily.'" Salter's position might be a valid one if - and this is a very big "if" - Eberle was the only political operative that stepped out of the shadows with an unlikely account of the attack on the Pentagon. But he wasn't the only one. Not by a long shot.
Of course, that fact might not be immediately apparent to anyone relying upon the witness list assembled by French researcher Eric Bart, which is the witness list that virtually all of the Tattoo theorists routinely cite as the 'most complete' list (Salter calls it "the most extensive available," Robinowitz touts it as "perhaps the best list of eyewitness accounts," pentagonresearch.com describes it as a "comprehensive witness list," and Hoffman has paid tribute by re-posting the list). In truth, however, Bart's list is not by any means a complete list, though it is certainly the most imposingly long list. Most of that length, however, is due to extensive padding. As it turns out, a substantial portion of the entries on the list are not witness accounts at all; instead, they fall into one of the following categories:
News reports that retell the official story without citing any specific witnesses.
Statements by official government spokesmen who were not themselves witnesses to the attack.
Hearsay accounts.
Reports that have nothing to do with what did or did not hit the Pentagon (such as an air traffic control report, two seismic reports, a Navy report on treating blast injuries, a Federation of American Scientists report on blast effects, an engineer's report on the reinforcement work done on the Pentagon, and, most bizarrely, a Washington Post report on the creation of the Information Awareness Office).
Accounts of rescue workers who tended to the wounded.
As for the potential witnesses that are included on the Bart list, roughly half of them offer no information that is useful for determining what really happened at the Pentagon. About three dozen of the cited witnesses were inside the building complex at the time of the attack; their accounts describe only the explosion and/or the smoke and fire, offering no clue as to what caused that explosion and fire (although there are numerous reports of multiple explosions, and a few reports of the smell of cordite, none of which lend much weight to the official legend). Similarly, many of the outside witnesses could be described as 'earwitnesses'; these individuals heard something fly by, and/or they heard (or felt) an explosion at the Pentagon, but they did not actually see anything. Other witnesses saw the fireball or smoke cloud, but not what caused it.
After editing the Bart list to eliminate all the non-witnesses and all the irrelevant witnesses, what is left is, at most, 70 witnesses who claim to have seen something flying in the vicinity of, approaching, or actually crashing into, the Pentagon. So much for the endlessly cited "hundreds of witnesses" that the Tattoo theorists can't seem to stop talking about (even the brazen liars at Popular Mechanics, by the way, acknowledge that there were "dozens of witnesses," not hundreds) ...
Something else, by the way, that the Tattoo theorists love to talk about is how the dastardly "no-planers" like to pluck portions of witness statements out of context, particularly in the case of oft-cited USA Today reporter/witness Mike Walter. Given the manner in which Mr. Bart presents the testimony of 'witnesses' like Scott Cook, I'm sure that those in the opposing camp will understand why I say: "pot, meet kettle." According to Bart (and, by extension, all the Tattoo theorists who have endorsed and/or re-posted his list), this is Cook's account of the Pentagon attack:
It was a 757 out of Dulles, which had come up the river in back of our building, turned sharply over the Capitol, ran past the White House and the Washington Monument, up the river to Rosslyn, then dropped to treetop level and ran down Washington Boulevard to the Pentagon (...) As we watched the black plume gather strength, less than a minute after the explosion ...
As presented, Cook's recollection appears to be a very specific account of the approach and crash of a 757 aircraft into the Pentagon. In fact, it appears to be an impossibly specific account, since no witness at the scene could have know, at the time of the alleged crash, that the plane had flown out of Dulles. But Mr. Cook never actually made such a claim. For the record, here is how Scott Cook's 'witness' account read before it was deceptively (and apparently quite deliberately) edited by Eric Bart:
We didn't know what kind of plane had hit the Pentagon, or where it had hit. Later, we were told that it was a 757 out of Dulles, which had come up the river in back of our building, turned sharply over the Capitol, ran past the White House and the Washington Monument, up the river to Rosslyn, then dropped to treetop level and ran down Washington Boulevard to the Pentagon. I cannot fathom why neither myself nor Ray, a former Air Force officer, missed a big 757, going 400 miles an hour, as it crossed in front of our window in its last 10 seconds of flight. (The more I’ve thought about it since, the odder the choice of the Pentagon as a target appeared. The Pentagon is a huge pile of concrete, the walls over a foot thick, and no plane is big enough to do more than superficial damage to it. Had the hijackers chosen to dive into the Capitol or the White House, much smaller sandstone buildings with little internal framework, the damage and the death toll would have been infinitely higher. Both houses of Congress were in session, and in addition Laura Bush was in the building, preparing to testify to some committee about school reading programs. I guess the symbolism of the Pentagon was more important to the terrorists, who blamed the US military for everything, much like Chomskyites blame everything on the CIA. As horrible as it sounds, the hit on the Pentagon may have been a blessing.) As we watched the black plume gather strength, less than a minute after the explosion ...
It is quite obvious that what Cook actually said was that even though both he and his partner were positioned to witness the alleged plane and the alleged crash, and therefore should have witnessed the alleged plane and the alleged crash, neither one of them actually saw anything of the sort. Far from confirming the official account of the alleged crash, Mr. Cook appears to have been somewhat bewildered by it. Of course, you would never know that from reading through Eric Bart's 'witness' list -- which raises the question of why, if the 'witness' evidence is so compelling, Eric Bart felt the need to gild the lily.
Scott Cook, by the way, wasn't the only one who missed seeing the plane that day. One of the non-witnesses on Bart's list, Tom Hovis, had these thoughts to share: "Strangely, no one at the Reagan Tower noticed the aircraft. Andrews AFB radar should have also picked up the aircraft I would think." Well ... yeah ... I would tend to think so as well -- but I guess those terr'ists were just real sneaky or something, stealthily flying that large aircraft into Washington without it registering either visually or on radar.
But then again, maybe not, since I see that, according to the very same Tom Hovis, "The plane had been seen making a lazy pattern in the no-fly zone over the White House and US Cap." According to witness Clyde Vaughn, "There wasn't anything in the air, except for one airplane, and it looked like it was loitering over Georgetown …" And journalist Bob Hunt claimed that he "talked to a number of average people in route who said they saw the plane hovering over the Washington Mall Area ..."
I have to confess my ignorance here, since, to be perfectly honest, I didn't even know that it was possible for a passenger plane to hover. Despite the fact that I have the good fortune of living under the approach path of the local airport, and have therefore seen more than my share of airplanes, I have personally never seen one hover, even briefly. But since this information is not only included on Pentagon witness lists, but is attributed to average people, then I know it must be true (just as it must be true that the plane actually dive-bombed into the Pentagon, as at least five witnesses saw it do, and it must simultaneously be true that the plane actually hit or scraped the ground before impacting the building, as at least five other witnesses have claimed, and it must also be true that there was a second plane, since at least nine witnesses saw it).
So, this is apparently the situation that existed at around 9:30 AM the morning of September 11, 2001: both World Trade Center towers had been attacked and hundreds of people were already dead or dying; not just the nation, but the entire world was watching and knew that America was being attacked by hijacked aircraft, some of which were reportedly still in the air and still very much a threat; the nation's defenses were, presumably, on the highest state of alert; and, in the midst of it all, a hijacked aircraft was - as would be expected, I suppose - leisurely cruising through the most secure airspace in the known world, over the most sensitive political and military installations in the country, with nary a military jet in sight.
Now, some may find this pre-suicide sightseeing by the terr'ists to be somewhat odd, but my guess is that they were probably stalling to allow time for all the news crews to get set up so that they could capture all the nonexistent photographs and video footage that we are still waiting to see. Either that, or those ballsy terr'ists were actually taunting the U.S. military, daring the fighter jets to come out and play, knowing full well that a squadron of F-16s are no match for an unarmed 757. But here I digress ...
In the interest of compiling a more complete (and accurate) list of witnesses than that presented by Bart, I went searching elsewhere and found that there are actually many more purported witnesses of the Pentagon attack. Some of the names that Bart has conveniently chosen to leave off are painfully obvious lily-gilders. Others have told stories that are, I have to say, laughably absurd. Consider, for example, the tale told by purported witness Dennis Smith, who was supposedly "smoking a cigarette in the center courtyard [of the Pentagon] when he heard the roar of engines and looked up in time to see the tail of a plane seconds before it exploded into the building."
Now, I obviously can't say for sure what was in that 'cigarette' that Dennis was smoking, but according to my trusty high school geometry book, it would have been very difficult for him to peer over a structure 77 feet high and 200 feet wide and see something that was, according to legend, some 50 feet off the ground -- unless, of course, Mr. Smith happens to be about 100 feet tall, or to have x-ray vision. I'm going to go on record here as saying that neither seems very likely.
In any event, the point here is that Eric Bart has prepared a very selective presentation of the available Pentagon witness testimony. Some of the testimony that Bart has opted to omit from his list can be found here (http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33/witnesses.htm), and yet more can be found here (http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/A0082_b_They%20saw%20the%20aircraft.htm).
Although these two lists mercifully omit many of the non-witness accounts that Bart has used to pad his list, and include many purported accounts that Bart has left off, both of the additional lists are plagued by problems of their own. Probably the biggest problem is that a good number of entries are credited to what amount to anonymous sources (people identified by only first name, or by initials, or by pseudonym). Some listings are, incredibly enough, unverified pseudonymous postings to internet discussion groups that appeared months, and even years, after the fact. I would hope that we can all agree here that anonymous, belated boasts of having witnessed one of the most significant events in modern American history do not exactly qualify as actual witness accounts.
By combining the three lists, minus all the filler, I came up with a list of roughly 110 named individuals who have claimed, at one time or another, to have witnessed something flying near, headed towards, and/or crashing into the Pentagon on the morning of September 11, 2001. However, nearly three dozen of these individuals held off telling their tales until long after the official version of events had thoroughly penetrated the American psyche, leaving roughly 75 people who claimed, in the hours and days immediately following the attack, that they had witnessed the event. With this more complete witness list in hand, it is time to return to the original question being examined here (as posed by Xymphora): "If the evidence of the crash of Flight 77 is so goddamn clear, why did the operators in the Republican Party feel the need to gild the lily?"
As it turns out, it was actually more of a 'bipartisan' affair, with operatives of both alleged political persuasions joining the lily-gilding party. Consider the following list of self-described witnesses: Gary Bauer, Paul Begala, Bobby Eberle, Mike Gerson, Alfred Regnery, and Greta Van Susteren. Many of them need no introduction, but let's run through the list anyway:
Gary Bauer: Talking head and former Republican presidential candidate who has been linked to the notorious Project for a New American Century.
Paul Begala: Democratic Party operative and nominally liberal punching bag on CNN's "Crossfire."
Bobby Eberle: President and CEO of GOPUSA, a portal of right-wing propaganda.
Mike Gerson: Director of George W. Bush's speech writing staff.
Alfred Regnery: President of Regnery Publishing, another portal of right-wing propaganda -- one that has seen fit to bestow upon the world the literary stylings of Ann Coulter, the Swift Boat Veterans, and numerous other accomplished liars.
Greta Van Susteren: Nominally liberal legal analyst for Fox News.
I don't know if the Tattoo theorists are aware of this, but all of the people on that list share at least one thing in common: they are all professional liars. It is their job, individually and collectively, to lie to the American people. On a daily basis. They are, by any objective appraisal, propagandists for the state. So if all of them are selling the same story, in the face of compelling evidence to the contrary, it is probably best to assume that they might not be telling the truth.
Let's take a look now at some of the other people that are hawking the same story: Dennis Clem, Penny Elgas, Albert Hemphill, Lincoln Leibner, Stephen McGraw, Mitch Mitchell, Patty Murray, Rick Renzi, James Robbins, Meseidy Rodriguez, Darb Ryan, Elizabeth Smiley, and Clyde Vaughn. And who are they? Allow me to handle the introductions:
Dennis Clem is a Deputy Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency.
Penny Elgas sits on the FDIC Advisory Committee on Banking Policy, alongside of Jean Baker, who just happens to be the Chief of Staff at the Office of President George H.W. Bush.
Albert Hemphill is a Lt. General with the Ballistic Missile Defense Organization.
Captain (now Major) Lincoln Leibner is a communications officer for Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.
Stephen McGraw is a former U.S. Department of Justice attorney reborn as an Opus Dei priest.
Colonel Mitch Mitchell serves as a CBS News war spinner military consultant.
Patty Murray is a United States Senator (D-Washington).
Rick Renzi is a United States Congressman (R-Arizona).
James Robbins is a contributor to National Review, a national security analyst, and a Senior Fellow at the American Foreign Policy Council (I, by the way, have decided that I should refer to myself as a Senior Fellow at the Center for an Informed America).
I'm not sure exactly who Meseidy Rodriguez is, but his name appears in legal filings concerning Dick Cheney's top-secret energy policy meetings, which probably isn't a good sign.
Vice Admiral Darb Ryan is the Chief of U.S. Naval Personnel.
Elizabeth Smiley is an intelligence operations specialist with Civil Aviation Security at FAA headquarters -- which means that she is one of the people who inexplicably failed to perform their jobs on September 11, 2001, possibly because she was busy watching phantom jetliners crashing into the Pentagon.
Brig. General Clyde A. Vaughn is the deputy director of military support to civil authorities -- which means that he is another one of the people who inexplicably failed to perform their jobs on September 11, 2001, possibly because he was also busy watching phantom jetliners crashing into the Pentagon.
Anybody see anyone on that list that they would want to buy a used car from? No? How about Colonel Bruce Elliot or Major Joseph Candelario? Or Lt. Cols. Stuart Artman or Frank "Had I not hit the deck, the plane would have taken off my head" Probst? Still no? Then how about Elaine McCusker, a Co-Chairman of the Coalition for National Security Research? Or retired Naval Commanders Donald Bouchoux or Lesley Kelly? How about Shari Taylor, a finance manager at the Defense Intelligence Agency, or Philip Sheuerman, the Associate General Counsel for the U.S. Air Force?
How about any of the names on this list: Bob Dubill, Mary Ann Owens, Richard Benedetto, Christopher Munsey, Vin Narayanan, Joel Sucherman, Mike Walter, Steve Anderson, Fred Gaskins and Mark Faram? Aside from claiming to have witnessed the attack on the Pentagon, what do these ten people have in common? We'll get to that in just a moment, but first let's hear from Mr. Faram, who is, it will be recalled, the gentleman who captured the two famous shots of the alleged aircraft debris that many investigators have inexplicably spent countless hours trying to match up with images of various American Airlines aircraft fuselages:
I hate to disappoint anyone, but here is the story behind the photograph. At the time, I was a senior writer with Navy Times newspaper. It is an independent weekly that is owned by the Gannett Corporation (same owners as USA Today). I was at the Navy Annex, up the hill from the Pentagon when I heard the explosion. I always keep a digital camera in my backpack briefcase just as a matter of habit. When the explosion happened I ran down the hill to the site and arrived there approximately 10 minutes after the explosion. I saw the piece, that was near the heliport pad and had to work around to get a shot of it with the building in the background. Because the situation was still fluid, I was able to get in close and make that image within fifteen minutes of the explosion because security had yet to shut off the area. I photographed it twice, with the newly arrived fire trucks pouring water into the building in the background ... Right after photographing that piece of wreckage, I also photographed a triage area where medical personnel were tending to a seriously burned man. A priest knelt in the middle of the area and started to pray. I took that image and left immediately ... I was out of the immediate area photographing other things within 20 minutes of the crash.
To say that Mr. Faram's account of his actions that morning strains credibility would be a gross understatement. Imagine this scenario: you are a reporter for a major news service, and you happen to find yourself, purely by chance, among the first on the scene of the most significant news story in decades -- one that would occupy all of the media's time for weeks to come. Would you be at all surprised to find a triage area already set up and staffed by medical personnel and a priest? And, more importantly, would you just take a quick look around, snap off a few quick photos, and then hurriedly leave the scene, because there was apparently something else to photograph on the other side of town -- like maybe a really important dog show?
Despite the dubious nature of Mr. Faram's account, he did at least provide us with some useful important information -- specifically, that USA Today and Navy Times are both part of the Gannett family of news outlets. Actually, if Faram weren't so modest, he would have noted that Gannett also publishes Air Force Times, Army Times, Marine Corp Times, Armed Forces Journal, Military Market, Military City, and Defense News. In other words, it's just your typical independent, civilian media organization.
Having established that, let's now take a look at who our group of mystery witnesses are (or who they were at the time of the Pentagon attack):
Bob Dubill was the executive editor for USA Today.
Mary Ann Owens was a journalist for Gannett.
Richard Benedetto was a reporter for USA Today.
Christopher Munsey was a reporter for Navy Times.
Vin Narayanan was a reporter for USA Today.
Joel Sucherman was a multimedia editor for USA Today.
Mike Walter was a reporter for USA Today.
Steve Anderson was the director of communications for USA Today.
Fred Gaskins was the national editor for USA Today.
Mark Faram was a reporter for Navy Times.
Is it just me, or does anyone else detect a pattern here?
Now, it is my understanding that the Tattoo theorists claim, for the most part, not to be 'coincidence theorists.' So, I guess that the question that I have is this: exactly how many Gannett reporters and editors does it take to make a conspiracy? I could accept that maybe two or three of them might have been, purely by chance, in position to witness the attack on the Pentagon. Hell, being an open-minded kind of guy, I might even be willing to go as high as four or five. But ten?! Ten?! What are the odds that ten of the alleged Pentagon witnesses would be from the same news organization?
Perhaps some readers are thinking that maybe there is a simple explanation for this statistical aberration -- like maybe the Gannett building is ideally located to provide a view of the attack, or maybe everyone was riding together on a Gannett ride-sharing bus. But neither of those appear to be the case, since only one of the ten Gannett journalists claims to have witnessed the attack from his office, while all the rest maintain that they just happened to be positioned in various strategic locations near the Pentagon. So unless USA Today staff was holding its annual company picnic on the Pentagon lawn that morning, it seems to me that there is something seriously wrong with this story.
Amazingly enough, no fewer than five of those ten Gannett reporters and editors (Benedetto, Munsey, Narayanan, Sucherman and Walter) were able to specifically identify the plane that they saw as an American Airlines jet, and a sixth (Faram) managed to capture the only known photographic images of something vaguely resembling a twisted piece of wreckage from an American Airlines jet! I have to note here that it's a damn good thing that we had proactive and incredibly observant reporters like the USA Today staff swarming all over the scene of a pending national tragedy. I guess that when you're a seasoned professional, you just have a sixth sense about where to be and when to be there. That's probably why Eugenio Hernandez and Dave Winslow, two Associated Press reporters, were also on the scene to witness the attack. Hernandez, by the way, is a video journalist -- but not the kind of video journalist who shot any actual video footage.
According to Dave Winslow, an AP radio reporter, his being on the scene to witness the attack and then quickly call in a report ensured that "AP members were first to know." I guess he didn't notice that nearly the entire staff of USA Today was loitering around the scene and calling in reports as well.
According to the 'witness' compilations, it wasn't just major media outlets that knew immediately what had happened at the Pentagon. Witness Mark Bright, a Defense Protective Service officer who was manning a guard booth, claims that, "As soon as it struck the building, I just called in an attack, because I knew it couldn't be accidental." If true, then I guess his call must have come in right after that of fellow witness and Defense Protective Service officer William Lagasse, who said on ABC's "Nightline" program: "It was close enough that I could see the windows and the blinds had been pulled down. I read American Airlines on it … I got on the radio and broadcast. I said a plane is, is heading toward the Heliport side of the building."
The Christian Science Monitor reported that Fred Hey, a congressional staff attorney and yet another purported witness, had the following reaction to the attack: "'I can't believe it! This plane is going down into the Pentagon!' he shouted into his cell phone. On the other end of the line was his boss, Rep. Bob Ney (R) of Ohio. Representative Ney immediately phoned the news to House Sergeant-at-Arms Bill Livingood, who ordered an immediate evacuation of the Capitol itself." And according to the Seattle Times, Senator Patty Murray was meeting with other Senate Leaders when, "From a window in the meeting room, she saw a plane hit the Pentagon."
The Birmington Post Herald held that Pentagon firefighter/witness Alan Wallace "switched on the truck's radio. 'Foam 61 to Fort Myer,' he said. 'We have had a commercial carrier crash into the west side of the Pentagon at the heliport, Washington Boulevard side. The crew is OK. The airplane was a 757 Boeing or a 320 Airbus." According to another report, local Engine Company 101 also witnessed the attack and immediately radioed in this report: "Engine 101--emergency traffic, a plane has gone down into the Pentagon."
According to yet another report, "Barry Frost and Officer Richard Cox, on patrol in south Arlington County, saw a large American Airlines aircraft in steep descent on a collision course with the Pentagon. They immediately radioed the Arlington County Emergency Communications Center. ACPD Headquarters issued a simultaneous page to all members of the ACFD with instructions to report for duty." In addition, a purported transcription of an Arlington County Police Department log tape reads as follows: "Motor 14, it was an American Airlines plane. Uh. Headed eastbound over the Pike (Columbia Pike highway), possibly toward the Pentagon."
So what we can safely conclude, after reviewing these various accounts, is that - within mere moments of the attack/explosion - all of the following entities knew exactly what had happened at the Pentagon on the morning of September 11: the Pentagon's own police force; the Pentagon's own fire department; the Arlington County Police Department; the Arlington County Fire Department; the Arlington County Emergency Communications Center; the leadership of the United States House of Representatives; the leadership of the United States Senate; the country's national newspaper; and the nation's largest newswire service. In addition, there were, according to the Tattoo theorists, literally hundreds of witnesses on the scene who knew exactly what had happened. And according to John Judge (perhaps the least credible of the Tattoo theorists, with the possible exception of Jean-Pierre Desmoulins), "local news immediately interviewed and broadcast eyewitness accounts of the plane going in."
(http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/notAllCequal.html)
In other words, there was never any doubt about what hit the Pentagon on the morning of September 11, 2001. From the very moment of impact, it was perfectly clear to everyone exactly what had happened. We know this because the accounts contained on the 'witness' lists of various Tattoo theorists tell us that it is so. And we should, I suppose, believe these accounts even though the objective reality is that - despite the alleged presence of hundreds of eyewitnesses, including numerous local and national media figures, prominent politicians, police and fire personnel, and military and intelligence personnel, and despite the fact that it was widely known that hijacked commercial aircraft were being used as weapons that day, and that a hijacked plane had allegedly been heading toward Washington - no one initially seemed to know what had happened at the Pentagon.
According to Assistant Secretary of Defense Torie Clarke, it was none other then Donald Rumsfeld who first determined that the Pentagon had been struck by an airplane -- half an hour after the attack had occurred: "[Rumsfeld] was in his office, really not that far away from the side of the building that got hit by the plane. He and another person immediately ran down the hallway and went outside and helped some of the people, some of the casualties getting off the stretchers, etc. When he came back in the building about half an hour later, he was the first one that told us he was quite sure it was a plane. Based on the wreckage and based on the thousands and thousands of pieces of metal. He was the one that told us, the staff that was in the room. So he was really the first one who told us that it was most likely a plane." (http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2001/t09162001_t0915wbz.html)
It wasn't until later that it was declared that the alleged aircraft was an American Airlines passenger plane. As David Ray Griffin recounted in The New Pearl Harbor, "At 10:32, ABC News reported that Flight 77 had been hijacked, but there was no suggestion that it had returned to Washington and hit the Pentagon. Indeed, Fox TV shortly thereafter said that the Pentagon had been hit by a US Air Force flight."
(You can read the relevant chapter from Griffin's book here, along with some amusing criticism from Jean-Pierre Desmoulins: http://www.earth-citizens.net/pages-en/npp-griffin.html)
So it appears that, nearly a full hour after the attack had occurred, no one had yet begun to flesh out the official story of what happened at the Pentagon. "Only sometime in the afternoon did it become generally accepted that the aircraft that hit the Pentagon was Flight 77," writes Griffin. "The first move toward the identification was made by a statement on the website of the Pentagon announcing that it had been hit by a 'commercial airliner, possibly hijacked.'"
That statement, we can safely assume, was likely based on the assessment of Donald Rumsfeld. Griffin continues: "Then that afternoon the story that this airliner was Flight 77 spread quickly through the media. The source of this story, the Los Angeles Times reported, was some military officials speaking on condition of anonymity. The media also started reporting that Flight 77, just before it disappeared from view, had made a U-turn and headed back toward Washington. But, argues Meyssan, since the civilian air controllers were, according to the official account, no longer receiving information from either radar or the transponder, this 'information must also have come from military sources.'"
(http://www.earth-citizens.net/pages-en/npp-griffin.html)
There was, of course, one other person who played a key role in fleshing out the official story: Theodore Olson, U.S. Solicitor General and right-wing conspirator extraordinaire. It was Olson, it will be recalled, who single-handedly verified the 'hijacked by Arabs and flown back to Washington' story through his inconsistent accounts of unverified cellphone calls that he supposedly received from his wife, yet another right-wing propagandist and talking-head.
The truth of the matter is that the "American Airlines 757 Crashes Into The Pentagon!" story did not spontaneously arise from the eyewitness accounts of rank-and-file citizens. To the contrary, it was a product of the work of Donald Rumsfeld, Ted Olson and unnamed Pentagon officials, and it was reinforced by the media largely through the words of the political operatives and media whores we have already gotten acquainted with -- and people like reputed Navy pilot Tim Timmerman, who spoke on the air with CNN correspondent Bob Franken on the afternoon of September 11 (some four-and-a-half hours after the incident at the Pentagon). Timmerman was seemingly on a mission to unequivocally establish what it was that had allegedly struck the Pentagon:
Bob Franken: What can you tell us about the plane itself?
Tim Timmerman: It was a Boeing 757, American Airlines, no question.
Franken: You say it was a Boeing, and you say it was a 757 or 767?
Timmerman: 7-5-7.
Franken: 757, which, of course …
Timmerman: American Airlines.
Franken: American Airlines ...
And who exactly was this witness who was so cocksure of his identification of the plane? No one seems to know. One researcher (Jerry Russell) failed in his efforts to verify that he is an actual person. Maybe he is the Tim Timmerman mentioned in this story out of Michigan (http://clubs.calvin.edu/chimes/2002.02.15/cmm2.html and http://www.detnews.com/2001/metro/0103/05/c08-195512.htm), which seems to carry the distinct stench of black operations. Or maybe he doesn't even exist at all.
In any event, the American Airlines 757 story was further embellished through the notorious photographs of Mark Faram of the infamous Gannett Ten, and through the fragment of indeterminate metal lovingly and patriotically preserved and donated to the National Museum of American History by a woman who just happens - coincidentally, of course - to sit on a board with George Bush, Sr.'s Chief of Staff, and through various other images of supposed aircraft debris, virtually all of which are credited to "anonymous" or "unknown" photographers. (http://pentagonresearch.com/photographers.html)
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In the beginning, nobody talked much about the Pentagon attack. Most of the internet chatter was about advance warnings and put options. A few brave souls questioned the collapse of the Twin Towers, the appearance of an air defense stand-down, and the fate of Flight 93, but no one really talked about what happened at the Pentagon.
We never saw any footage that verified the official story, nor did we initially see or hear anything that contradicted that story. And so it was until Thierry Meyssan, working from thousands of miles away, alerted the world to the fact that the official story of what happened at the Pentagon was at serious odds with the available photographic evidence.
In retrospect, it seems odd that we had to look to France for answers to what happened in this nation's capitol. After all, don't we have any real investigative journalists of our own? Don't we have our own 'conspiracy researchers'? And aren't many of them based right there in Washington, DC? Weren't some of them in an ideal position to blow the whistle on the various Pentagon anomalies?
John Judge is one name that immediately comes to mind here. Judge is, as most readers are probably aware, a veteran researcher who is revered in many 'conspiracy' circles. He is not only a current resident of the nation's capitol, but a native son as well. In fact, he literally grew up in the Pentagon, as he is fond of telling people. If any alternative journalist knows his way around the Pentagon, it is John Judge.
Perhaps more so than anyone else, John Judge was in a position to serve as a whistleblower. But John Judge was also ideally positioned to fill another role: upholder of the official story within the so-called 'truth movement,' and denouncer of anyone who dared to question the veracity of that official story. Ever since questions first began to arise about what really happened at the Pentagon, John Judge has filled the latter role.
Judge is smart enough to realize that he can't possibly come out on the winning end of any arguments over the merits of the available evidence, so he has, for some three years now, studiously avoided debating the actual evidence. Instead, he quickly created an apparently fictional entity, in the form of an unidentified, but supposedly dear friend of his who just happens to be a flight attendant for American Airlines, and just happens to regularly fly the route flown by Flight 77 that fateful day, but just happened to have taken that particular day off so that she survived and now has insider information, unavailable to anyone else, that Flight 77 really did crash into the Pentagon that day.
This mythical person has served Judge well for the past three years, enabling him to sidestep any and all substantive questions concerning the evidence anomalies with a pat answer that goes something like this: "Well, you know, there were hundreds of witnesses, and my friend says that it really did happen the way the government says, so it must be true."
Judge's phantom friend, it should be noted, is not your average flight attendant. In a post dated February 21, 2004, Judge told the latest fanciful, and unintentionally hilarious, version of his friend's story, which has grown more and more elaborate, and more and more ridiculous, over the past three years:
A dear friend and fellow researcher had been working as a flight attendant for American for many years, and that was her regular route, several times a week ... As it turned out, my friend had not been on Flight 77, having taken the day off work to care for her sick father ... When questions arose about Flight 77, I contacted her to raise the issues that concerned me and the speculation of others who denied the plane hit the Pentagon. She was adamant in saying it had, and told me she had been to the crash site and had seen parts of the plane. I asked her about the speculation that the plane would have made a larger hole due to the wingspan. She informed me that the fuel was stored in the wings and that they would have exploded and broken off, as the fuselage slammed through the building walls.
Already we see that not only is this person a flight attendant, but also a fellow researcher and, apparently, an expert on airplane crashes. As we return to the story, Judge's mystery friend has been "approached by another flight attendant to assist in support work for the rescue crews at the site." Let's see what happens next:
The Pentagon was seeking people with security clearances that they could trust to be near the site and all the airline attendants qualified for that level of clearance ... [My friend] and her mother signed up for an overnight shift on Friday, September 21st. She and her mother spent the entire night continuously providing drinks to rescuers ... At the end of her shift on Saturday morning, September 22nd, she was approached along with other attendants to visit the crash site. One declined, but she and two others took a van driven by the Salvation Army to the area.
I have to interrupt here briefly to ask a couple of silly questions that come to mind. First, how is it that someone who is supposedly a conspiracy researcher, and a dear friend of a very well known conspiracy researcher, obtains a security clearance that allows them to roam about the Pentagon? And second, if the mystery friend had just spent the entire night tending to the rescue teams working at the Pentagon crash site, why did she then have to be driven to the crash site? Where did that Salvation Army van take her -- across the Pentagon lawn?
Memo to John Judge: lying isn't as easy as it may appear to be. If you're going to completely fabricate a story, you have to be careful that that story is consistent. And with that out of the way, let's get back to the story, which is about to veer off into bizarro world:
The area was covered with rescue equipment, fire trucks, small carts, and ambulances. They were still hoping to find survivors. Small jeeps with wagons attached were being used to transport workers and others at the site. One flight attendant was driving one of these around the site. Once inside the fence, she was unable to clearly discern where the original wall had been. There was just a gaping hole. She got off the van and walked inside the crash site. The other attendants broke down crying once they were inside. But my friend went in further than the others and kept her emotions in check as she has been trained to do and usually does in emergency situations.
How do I even begin to dissect out all the absurdities present in this one brief passage? I suppose I could begin by pointing out that the mystery friend couldn't possibly have seen a "gaping hole" since any entry hole was buried in rubble shortly after the alleged crash, when the Pentagon was afflicted with that curious September 11 malady known as Collapsing Building Syndrome. I also have to point out how extremely unlikely it is that a group of flight attendants would be invited to freely tour a site that was: (1) one of the world's most secure military installations; (2) ground zero of an investigation into what was supposedly the deadliest act of 'terrorism' ever on American soil; and (3) a badly damaged, unsafe, partially-collapsed structure that obviously would have been off-limits to anyone who didn't need to be in there.
I was also going to comment on the scenario of the unnamed flight attendant cruising around the site in a jeep-and-wagon set-up, but, to be perfectly honest, every time the visual flashes through my mind I find myself too convulsed with laughter to think of anything to say.
At this point, you are probably wondering what the phantom stewardess/researcher/crash expert/rescue worker saw when she entered the building. Quite a bit, as it turns out. Certainly far more evidence of a plane crash than anyone else has ever claimed to have seen. And much of what she saw, believe it or not, was wreckage that could be positively identified as wreckage of an American Airlines Boeing 757, which she was, of course, an expert at identifying
She saw parts of the fuselage of an American Airlines plane, a Boeing 757 plane. She identified the charred wreckage in several ways. She recognized the polished aluminum outer shell ... and the red and blue trim that is used to decorate the fuselage. She saw parts of the inside of the plane ... The soft carpeting and padding of the inner walls had a cloud design and color she recognized ... The blue coloring of the drapes and carpet were also specific to the 757 or 767 larger planes ... Seating upholstery also matched the AA 757 planes ... She saw other parts of the plane and engine parts at a distance but they were familiar to her ... One area of fuselage had remaining window sections and the shape of the windows ... was also distinct to the 757's she had flown. She also saw parts with the A/A logo, including parts of the tail of the plane. Smaller A/A logos and "American" logos are also on the planes and she saw parts of those.
Who knew there was so much identifiable aircraft wreckage? Wreckage that was apparently never photographed and never shown to anyone other than John Judge's friend? Am I the only one here who is wondering whether Mr. Judge has maybe been watching too many reruns of old Saturday Night Live skits featuring Jon Lovitz. "Yeah, John, that's it ... that's the ticket."
The anonymous friend "also saw," we are to believe, "charred human bones but not any flesh or full body parts." So the bodies were apparently reduced to charred bones, but the upholstery, carpet and drapes were, of course, still looking factory fresh.
In an earlier version of the flight attendant story, posted on October 30, 2002, Judge claimed that his friend was also "shown autopsy photos of her fellow crew members, including the severed arm of her best friend at work, which she recognized from the bracelet she wore." I have to confess here that I never realized how much access flight attendants have. I now find myself wondering what kind of access commercial pilots must have. I'm guessing they could probably sit in on the President's morning briefings if they really wanted to.
Anyhow, getting back to the story, we aren't quite through yet being subjected to outlandish claims. The next one goes something like this:
The crew of Flight 77 who died in the crash included her personal friend Renee May. She had spoken to Renee's mother after the crash, and Renee had used a cell phone to call her mother during the hijacking.
It sounds like the phantom stewardess has this case all wrapped up. She has, single-handedly, gathered more evidence that AA Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon than the entire federal government and all of its media mouthpieces combined. I, for one, am impressed. She has seen and positively identified wreckage of Flight 77. She has seen and positively identified the remains of actual humans who were supposed to be on the flight. She has seen the gaping entry wound. She has spoken to someone who can personally vouch for the hijacking story.
And that's not all! Judge has other phantom witnesses as well, and they can verify other portions of the official fairy tale:
Other American ground crew workers saw some of the suspects board American Airlines Flight 77 and recognized them from published photos ... My attendant friend knows and has put me in touch with other American Airlines employees and pilots who were at the site and took photographs. We are busy locating these, as well as another attendant who was at the site with her that day.
Well, you keep working on that, John. Let us know just as soon as you can produce a single one of these alleged witnesses, or any of their alleged photographs. But, really, there's no rush. We understand that these things take time, and you've only had three-and-a-half years to locate these witnesses that you claim to have already been in touch with.
By the way, what were they all doing stomping around the Pentagon crash site? Was it open to all American Airlines employees? How about United Airlines employees? Were Boeing employees allowed to tour the site as well? How about employees of Dulles International Airport? How about employees of the company that catered the meals for Flight 77? Did the baggage handlers get to take a peek? I don't mean to sound snide here; I'm really just trying to determine what the criteria were for deciding who was allowed to tour this very sensitive site, because, truth be told, I would have liked to take a look for myself, but my invite must have gotten lost in the mail or something.
Moving on, it's time for Mr. Judge to abruptly segue into the conclusion of his formidable case:
My friend is therefore a credible and very knowledgeable eyewitness to the fact that American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001. She has been vilified by those who refuse to believe the obvious ... My friend is herself a researcher for many years into government misdeeds and cover-ups. If she did not see the parts, she would say so. She has no reason to lie about it. Nor is she confused about what she saw. She is a professional and is used to looking at evidence.
Let it never be said that I participated in the vilification of a nonexistent person. That just wouldn't be right. For the record, the argument here is not that Judge's friend is a liar. No, the argument here is that John Judge is a liar. And not a particularly good one -- but certainly a very ambitious one. Lest there be any lingering doubt about that, Judge saves his best for last. In the final paragraph of his missive, he actually makes the following claim:
One employee saw the nose of the plane crash through her office wall.
No shit? I hope she didn't receive any serious injuries.
In that same paragraph, Judge claims that Flight 77 "flew dangerously close to the ground, skidding into the ground floor of the Pentagon." In yet another Pentagon rant, this one from October 23, 2002, Judge made a similar claim: "the plane bottomed out just short of contact with the building and bounced into it." That scenario, of course, was long ago discredited, owing to the fact that it is quite apparent that there was no damage to the Pentagon lawn consistent with an airplane crash. And yet, more than three years after the events of September 11, Judge is still hawking the same story.
The bottom line here is that Judge has quite obviously fabricated an elaborate tale - allegedly, but not actually, based on the testimony of unnamed witnesses - and he has used that story to shield himself from having to deal with the very real evidence anomalies uncovered by legitimate researchers. For three years, he has asked that we take him at his word, because he is, after all, the great John Judge. And that, my friends, is what legend building is all about.
After reviewing Judge's various Pentagon rants, I have a few final questions for the Tattoo theorists: why did the 'powers that be' feel the need to call on the services of an established 'conspiracy theorist' to further gild this lily? Why is John Judge so obviously lying? Or, if he is isn't lying, then why do all you Tattoo theorists shy away from referencing his 'work'? After all, he has obviously presented more evidence in support of your Tattoo theories than anyone else. Isn't the fact that you choose to ignore his contributions a tacit admission that you know full well that he is lying his ass off?
So, again I must ask: if the evidence of the crash of Flight 77 is so persuasive, then why is John Judge gilding the lily?
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Invisible Eyewitness
The part about John Judge and his sekrit eyewitness is hilarious. I remember hearing about it but didn't pay much attention.
Anyway notice there is a 911Blogger.com user who talks about his personal sekrit inside friend regarding the Pentagon? His name is "Dean Jackson" who posts as "brian78046".
Apparently he's got an inside friend. I don't know much but I think he believes 9/11 was a Russian / Chinese plot or something like that. Anyone follow his story?
a few years ago...
...a guy on a bus told me a good friend of his was on the plane that hit the Pentagon (I had my truth now sign on my bag and he was taking issue with it...) I asked him "Which flight was that again?" and he didn't know. So I told him it was American flight 77, and that if his friend had really been on it I would expect him to know that. In earshot of a bus full of people. :)
I've heard many other tales of people's friends, including engineers who assure them that the towers collapsed because of fire, etc. Then there have been those who have claimed privileged knowledge themselves--"trust me, I would know" they say. One guy even flashed me his concealed carry permits from various states to prove he was connected to law enforcement. There's no limit, really...
Aaaand the key question is...
"if the evidence of the crash of Flight 77 is so persuasive, then why is John Judge gilding the lily?"
It's beyond obvious at this point that the perps must be extremely worried about the Pentagon Deception being a weak link, if not THE WEAK LINK, based on the gargantuan effort being put into damage control. This is evidenced by the legions of obviously fake eyewitnesses the perps have trotted out from the beginning trying to manipulate people into believing the official fairy tale at the Pentagon, along with the endless parade of shills working inside the truth movement led by Hoffman, Robinowitz, Victoria, Arabesque, etc.
That effort alone by the purps should point us to where the truth is, as we must ask ourselves: If the evidence of the crash of Flight 77 is so persuasive, why are Cosmos, Jon Gold, John A, Jim Hoffman, Victoria, Mark Robinowitz, John Judge, Mike Ruppert, Loose Stool, and the dozens upon dozens of fake eyewitnesses being employed to gild the lily? How much more obvious does it have to get?
PS: John Judge is apparently still trying to locate those sekrit crash photos that only he has seen so far...
Vintage Sander Hicks...look who/what he was shilling for...
December 9, 2004
"Reality is a Construction..."
Sander Hicks and the 9/11 Truth Movement
By MICKEY Z.
On all sides of the political spectrum, limits exist. On the respectable (sic) Right, for example, it's fine to rant and rave about the sanctity of "unborn lives" but not acceptable to post pictures of abortion doctors on your website. The Left, contrary to popular belief, has limits of respectability (sic), too. For example, leftists can get hot and bothered over Bush not reacting to pre-9/11 warnings. However, those who go further and implicate the U.S. government in any way, shape, or form...well, they are banished to realm of "conspiracy theory."
"The seeming paranoia of conspiracy theorists is not necessarily the result of some underlying mental dysfunction or of stupidity," declares Jonathan Vankin, author of "Conspiracies, Cover-Ups, and Crimes." "The dysfunction is with American society, maybe even civilization as a whole. The structure of civilization itself requires mass adherence to faith in the institutions that built civilization and make it run. Conspiracies theorists question those authorities and, because they do, they skirt the fringes of society."
Actively skirting the fringes of society is Sander Hicks ... founder of Soft Skull Press and now Vox Pop / Drench Kiss. Hicks gained national notoriety when he published Jim Hatfield's controversial Dubya biography, "Fortunate Son." The scathing, well-documented expose of the Bush dynasty resulted in near financial ruin for Soft Skull, a brilliant film documentary, and Hatfield's tragic suicide. Through it all, Hicks remained focused and ever-searching.
Hicks is a poet, playwright, publisher, a punk rock showman. For anyone looking to get a handle on him, consider this: He was the first publisher to give me a book deal. That might offer some insight into his style...or his sanity?
Besides starting up a new publishing company and bookstore in Brooklyn, Hicks has turned his focus to the "day everything changed" and the result is a book due out in 2005: "The Big Wedding: 9/11, The Whistleblowers, and the Cover-Up". In the interest of tossing Hicks' provocative and well-researched take into the mix, I asked him some questions about 9/11. The results are below.
MZ: Whether it's from a mainstream media outlet or respected left wing scholars, the reflexive reaction to those who question the official 9/11story ranges from condescension to outright mockery. What led you to take a closer look at this story?
SH: With Jim Hatfield, I was publishing the Bush/bin Laden connection starting in 1999. I think his "Fortunate Son" bio was the most above ground that material had become until then, until it was forced back down. When 9/11 happened, for me it was in the wake of Jim's suicide. Less than two months earlier, Jim had thrown in the towel after two years of being prevented from making public a few simple, documented truths about Bush. So I was kind of in a natural position to become someone who looks at 9/11 with a lot of skepticism. It's a skepticism based not only on facts, but facts that have proven to be highly sensitive, sore spots on the Bush body politic.
MZ: What kind of reactions has your skepticism provoked?
SH: I've been lucky enough to work with editors at Long Island Press who really believed in this stuff, maybe because I was telling the 9/11 story in a specific, personal way, through the stories of 9/11 widow Ellen Mariani, or researcher Daniel Hopsicker. So I can't take the classic position of bitching about being totally ignored by mainstream media...hell, New York Press actually asked me to review the 9/11 Commission Report, and it was hell of a lot of fun tearing that thing down to its oily elements. I feel the work at INN World Report has been ignored by bigger television outlets but that's no surprise. I feel it's been kind of well appreciated on the Net, instead.
We're at a time now when this stuff is beginning to break above ground again. One thing I keep hearing in mainstream radio outlets that are beginning to put a toe in the water, is "well, there are a lot of theories out there and the more we hear about all of them, the less we'll know which is true." That is so backward. The process of inquiry and dialogue and choice and rationality itself necessarily means that the lousy, kooky theories will be discarded by the process. The truth will come out.
MZ: I'm glad you mentioned the "kooky" angle (although there's not much out there more "kooky" than trusting the government to objectively investigate itself). How can a skeptical observer differentiate between the research you're talking about and theories that involve remote-controlled planes and/or explosives pre-planted in the Pentagon or WTC? Let's say I'm just beginning to re-evaluate the 9/11 story...where do I begin?
SH: Well actually, first I have to say I'm not against speculating about explosives at the WTC. Even longtime peace activist John Judge told me in our interview (http://sanderhicks.com/judge.html) that there well could have been explosives planted, it doesn't mean the Federal Government was complicit, though. Whoever pulled off 9/11 could have planted them. Explosives per se don't indict any party.
To answer your question more directly about how to determine what's worthwhile, and what's crap...well it's an important question. When you have a sensitive topic here, when so much political power is involved, there's going to be a series of false reports, disinformation put forth to obscure the real story, red herrings to throw off the dogs. It happened in the JFK assassination, and it's happening now.
My quick analysis on how this is happening right now would be to point out two red herrings: The Pentagon Theory and the accusations of anti-Semitism. Paul Thompson of the 9/11 Timeline was on the Morning Sedition show and host Mark Marin dismissed the entire 9/11 Truth website by saying, "Oh, it's one of those sites that say no plane hit the Pentagon." We're being judged by our weakest link. And it is pretty weak.
You had rush hour traffic on I-395 that saw the plane hit, you have 100 eyewitnesses compiled in the pamphlet published by Penny Schoner. Where the hell did this theory come from? Thierry Meyssan's book "The Horrible Fraud" was the original source. Meyssan wrote his book from Paris, he didn't travel over here. The book is highly imaginative, and in the middle of a trauma, people are searching for answers. A lot of people in the 9/11 truth movement glommed onto this one and I think it's hurt our credibility over all. You have to wonder if that was by design. For instance, all the right-wing magazines (e.g. National Review) have had a field day.
I've also seen media voices dismiss the entire topic of 9/11 questioning by sweeping it all into some kind of anti-Semitic whacko camp.
MZ: When writing about the attack on Pearl Harbor, I learned to never underestimate the collective power of arrogance and racism. Racists within the U.S. military and government never imagined that Japan could orchestrate such a successful offensive. Few Westerners took the Japanese seriously and FDR himself dismissed the Japanese as combat pilots because they were all presumed to be "near-sighted." It's easy to imagine that Clinton and/or Bush had more than an inkling that Osama and Co. were plotting something big. It's equally as palatable to assume that either administration would gladly exploit any attack on the homeland for their benefit and that of their corporate benefactors. What reasonably objective observer would be shocked to learn that both U.S. regimes never believed that a group of cave-swelling nomads could pull off anything approaching the success of 9/11?
SH: Racism is a big part of this country's history and its present modus operandi, at home and in the newly globalized world. But in the case of 9/11, we knew damn well that we weren't dealing with "cave-dwelling nomads." Al-Qaeda is a well-funded organization. They were an outgrowth of the CIA/Pakistani ISI relationship, funding the Mujahedeen. When the US pulled out after the end of the Cold War, Saudi money and Pakistani intelligence stepped in. In fact, I have a source in the Indian Army, Major General Vinood Saighal, who has published three books, in which he refers to "the Al Qaeda/Taliban/ISI combine". But wait, Pakistan's our ally, right? You don't get this perspective in the US.
Look closer at 9/11 and it seems likely Mohamed Atta was a double agent, playing both sides. Look at Daniel Hopsicker's work in Florida, that tracks Atta's moves in strip clubs and cocaine bars. How did Atta get in this country twice without a visa? The guy had juice. Or look at Professor Peter Dale Scott's excellent excoriation of the 9/11 Commission Report, called "How to Stop Terrorism," Al Qaeda chieftain Ali Mohamed was "almost certainly an out-of-control informant for the FBI." Scott backs this up with sources and the paper trail. Ali Mohamed is the guy who photographed the Kenyan embassy that Al Qaeda then bombed. He's an Al Qaeda mastermind, and like, Atta, is also Egyptian. I wonder which one of these guys was that "mole" that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak was referring to when in Fall, 2001 he told newspapers Egyptian intelligence and Mubarak himself warned the US about 9/11.
So, I think the question is a little bit off, because you're suggesting this country (USA) may have been foiled by its own arrogance and its racist assumption that the terrorists couldn't have pulled this off, right? Well, what I'm saying is that the $400 billion a year war machine and the $40 billion a year intelligence machine had its paw prints all over these guys. They didn't underestimate them. They allowed these guys to get riled up for a cause, and then do something that would in the end, hurt that cause greatly. Because it would justify a US military expansion.
The real racist tragedy is when you have 9/11 people who know nothing about history or foreign policy or politics who advance theories that completely ignore smoking guns, like the CIA/ISI connection. Their theories tend to veer into the esoteric. Really imaginative territory, like the "In Plane Sight" video. I'm not sure who they blame, they seem to think that the attack originated deep inside the war machine itself. But Arab anger is real. The real trick is to not only see it, but to understand it, and then to understand how it could have been manipulated. In the end, double agent Atta swore allegiance to Bin Laden, and that's who he died for. He cared very deeply about the Palestinian "homeland" as he called it. If he did have US intel connections, as the evidence shows, he was probably thinking he could play both sides and then have it blow up in our face. What he didn't figure is his handlers were one step ahead of him.
MZ: How would you summarize your perspective on 9/11?
SH: Reality is a construction. We're told what to believe by the government and media. Most people play along, pay taxes, support the troops and the wars that are part and parcel of capitalism. But there are some who drop out and fall away from the death machine. God bless them.
MZ: For those who fall away from the death machine, what actions or steps can we take to do something about this? What can the average person do to help bring out the truth and how does that fit into the larger activist picture?
SH: Jeez, it's hard to answer that and not come off as a holier-than-thou Pharisee who's telling people what to do. For my own part, I was working on houses, for the past couple years. I was listening to Democracy Now every day in New Mexico (out in the mountains up north there you can get it on like 3 different channels). It got to a point where I felt like things had gotten too weird, I had to get back into independent media, in a whole new way, try to present an alternative to the alienation and paranoia by creating media and community empowerment systems that showed the world how much we all have in common. So that's what I'm doing, Vox Pop, the coffee-house/bookstore/publishing company. I'd like to order the world to come participate, but all I can do is open the door.
MZ: Can you offer some resources for readers to follow-up?
SH: These are the guys/gals I like: Daniel Hopsicker, Mike Ruppert, Robert Parry, Peter Dale Scott, Gary Webb, Lois Ann Battuello, Anthony Lappé, and Rep. Cynthia McKinney.
Sander Hicks can be reached at sealove@sanderhicks.com (or by visiting the sites mentioned above).
Mickey Z. is the author of four books, most recently: "The Seven Deadly Spins: Exposing the Lies Behind War Propaganda" (Common Courage Press). He can be found on the Web at http://www.mickeyz.net.
more John Judge (and Sander Hicks)
"A Dog and Pony Show"
Sander Hicks interviews John Judge, Co-Director of the 9/11 Citizens Watch
Judge is also active in the Coalition on Political Assassinations (COPA) founded 1994; and Washington Peace Center ("it’s the oldest US peace center", "founded ’58" "Started at protests at Fort Detrick against US’s chemical and biological weapons.")
Interview Conducted 12/22/03 at Pistone’s Italian Restaurant, Falls Church, VA
SH: Let’s start with Governor Kean, the head of the 9/11 Commission. Last week, he told CBS, "Do you want to know what my dream is? We're gonna be reporting at the end of May. The two great political parties are having their conventions shortly after that. – My dream is that we make meaningful recommendations and those recommendations become a large part of those two parties' platforms. Because if they do, then we'll really be able to get some action, and we won't be a commission that just sits on the shelf."
JJ: [laughing]: Well, they’re sitting on lots of information, I don’t know about the shelf. The May deadline was related to the election calendar. This commission was ill-conceived, obstructed from the beginning, under-funded. They boosted the funding some but it’s nowhere near what they spent on the shuttle investigation. That was $55 million, this is like $12 million. What? Seven deaths get $55 million and 3,000 get $12 million? It’s disproportionate to what this really means. They haven’t in our view been doing the kind of investigative work they need to do, they haven’t been taking testimony under oath….
SH: I read today that if the evidence is factually-based, and if the witness is not a President, they do take the testimony under oath….
JJ: They may have in private, but at least in the public testimony they haven’t.
SH: Condoleeza Rice is reportedly nervous to testify in public under oath.
JJ: Well, Kean told us that not having them under oath would make them more forthcoming. Because then they wouldn’t be as nervous and wouldn’t bring their lawyers. It’s clear from what he says that they’re focused on recommendations. The panels that they’ve announced between now and May are all policy-related panels, until the end, and then the panels at the end are NORAD/FAA and what happened on 9/11. But don’t you think you need to know what happened on 9/11 before you formulate all your policies?
SH: Kean was promising January was going to be aggressive….
JJ: They had two very significant panels already, one on the structure of US Intelligence, they were proposing either a intelligence czar at the White House, or a MI5 style domestic spy agency. And then, they just had one on security and civil liberties. Part of our concern is that the people invited to these panel hearings are almost entirely ex- or current intelligence people, almost nobody from the outside advocacy sector. Can you imagine having a thing on civil liberties and security and not inviting the ACLU? But that’s what they did. The testimony they’re getting is not broad enough. I mean, maybe for their policy purposes and what they want to get out of it. But it’s just a dog and pony show. We really first need to get at what actually happened that day. Who was behind it. It’s just like when you go into the Warren Commission, and you have five areas of inquiry, who was Oswald, who was Ruby, who was this and that but you don’t have "Who Shot Kennedy." They’ve already had a panel on "Who are the terrorists" which was all about Al Qaeda. So they’re investigating the official line of the assumptions.
SH: You were saying yesterday to me on the phone about how Lee Hamilton responds to you often, "I don’t agree with your premise."
JJ: "Well what’s your premise", that’s my response. What are these guys’ premises?
SH: How did he use that?
JJ: One of the times he used it was with Danny Schecter, the film maker, who said there had been reports between Al Qaeda and US intelligence. He went on to ask if the Commission was going to look into that history. Hamilton said, "I don’t agree with your premise." Schechter said, "I didn’t know I had a premise." Hamilton said "Allegations of connections sounds like a premise to me."
What does that mean? I question your premise, you question mine, now are we going to have a discussion? How is that not a way to talk about something? What part of my premise do you question and why? That’s what I said to Kean. He said "There are a lot of theories out there and some of them are wrong." I said "Which ones are wrong and why?" He said, "Oh well, we’d have to finish the investigation before we knew that." Well then why did you bring it up? The Families are pretty frustrated, they have these interim reports released, and they don’t release any substance. Even the Joint Inquiry wouldn’t do that.
SH: Do you think the Commission has some substance to release? Or is it that they haven’t done that kind of work?
JJ: I think they do.
SH: Based on what?
JJ: They do have investigative teams that have been looking into things. I don’t know if they’ve gotten to the truth, but I’m sure they’ve gotten to something. And this reluctance to like, spit it all out at us? And then disappear? We look at who are they calling in public, and what are they doing, what leads are they pursuing? Maybe you don’t want to put all your cards out on the table, I can understand that. But at the very least, the hard forensic and photographic evidence should be released to the public, so we can do our own analysis of it.
SH: The 9/11 Citizens Watch has a good relationship to the 9/11 victims’ families?
JJ: Yes. We have a Family Liaison Group. The families come up to me often afterwards at hearings and say "good questions." We back them up, too, they take a position, it’s usually similar to ours. They’re on our list, they get all our material. We have liaisons through the Families for Peaceful Tomorrows.
SH: More on the subject of what the Commission should be looking at that they’re not looking at? What about Dave Frasca at the FBI? According to a recent speech I was at by Mike Ruppert, Dave Frasca was the guy who destroyed FBI Al Qaeda records, he sat on the Phoenix Memo, he also ignored the Minneapolis investigation, blocking the warrant that Coleen Rowlely wanted to get on Moussaoi. And then after 9/11 he got promoted to #2 in charge of domestic terrorism at the FBI.
JJ: Because he had done such a good job before.
SH: Right. Has the Commission called Frasca?
JJ: Not that we’re aware of. They’re being so secretive with me that I asked them the other day for them to give me the names and phone numbers of the heads of the six investigative teams and they said "we don’t release any information about our staff." This is a Federal Commission! I said "This is paid for by tax dollars, you’re not going to give me information about your staff?"
SH: And you’re not just Joe Schmoe, you’re representing a citizens group dedicated to monitoring and trying to be helpful.
JJ: We sat down with Zelikow and Felzenberg at one point and said, we want a more formal relationship with the Commission, and Zelikow, beamingly informed us that "We’re exempt from the Federal Advisory Committee Act, so we don’t have to."
SH: What’s the the Federal Advisory Committee Act?
JJ: There’s an Act that says when Federal investigations happen on topics and there are interested parties, you should have an Advisory Committee made up of those people
SH: And they said "we don’t have to play by those rules?"
JJ: The way they wrote the legislation, they’re exempt from that, and they’re also exempt from the Freedom of Information Act! I asked a lawyer and he said it’s because they’re Congressional, they’re not executive. FOIA is only for Executive records.
SH: So you really have no recourse?
JJ: They’ve accommodated the Families to some extent, they’ve hired a Family Liaison, and they’re bringing them in. But the meetings are frustrating for the families, they don’t get any information, they just get snookered. You’ve got a problem of it being underfunded and understaffed and time-limited, then you’ve got a problem with the Agencies not being cooperative and releasing the files, probably not cooperating in terms of testimony either. You’ve got a third level of problem in that the Commissioners, at least, and probably some of the investigative staff too, I’ve heard, are compromised in different ways. The Families complain that a number of people on the Commission have ties to the Airline industry, which was certainly one of their targets. And then, most of the people on the Commission have ties to earlier flawed investigations into government corruption, or intelligence in general. And ties of course to military/industrial and military/intelligence complex.
SH: Can you be more specific on that?
JJ: Well, John Lehman, former Secretary of the Navy, has a history of a lot of corporate and Pentagon inter-relation. Kean himself is tied in with the National Endowment on Democracy, which replaced the US A.I.D. as the cover for covert operations abroad. He also has some personal investments in companies that link him to Salem bin Laden. Ben-Veniste was White House Counsel [for Clinton]. Jamie Gorelick was on the President’s Intelligence Advisory Board [under Clinton]. Lee Hamilton presided over the flawed Contragate investigation that didn’t go far enough.
SH: On the Kerry Commission?
JJ: He was on an intelligence commission in the White House. They very severely limited how far Congress was going to go.
SH: Isn’t is ironic that Bob Kerrey is also former Senate Intelligence Committee?
JJ: And Kerrey was also the one who was pooh-poohing the CIA/Contra/crack cocaine investigation and got in the way of it and was rude to people about it. A former war criminal with the [Navy] SEALS and the killing of these civilians [in Vietnam], and was also on the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, which ties in tightly with the Project for a New American Century, and all the neo-cons in the White House now.
SH: It’s ironic that a Democrat would be a part of that?
JJ: [laughing] Is that what you call it? "Ironic?" I thought it was standard fare. The Washington Post said it was "ironic" that Neal Bush that going to have dinner with Scott Hinckley the night after the Reagan shooting.
SH: The night after.
JJ: Yeah, so, they cancelled their plans….
SH: Newsweek printed that with a headline with "For Conspiracy Buffs Only" spinning it as "this is kooky."
JJ: They way you discount conspiracy is you put out the facts and say, "Now this will probably be taken as a conspiracy."
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SH: If you could get the 9/11 Commission to Pursue 3 Lines of Inquiry, what would your questions be? Would you start with the FAA and NORAD?
JJ: Yes, but I would not call the the FAA/NORAD top brass at the Pentagon, I would call the pilots. I would call the base commanders, people on the horn at the air traffic controllers, in the FAA and the specific officials in NORAD headquarters. I would find which planes were "taskable", [i.e. able to be assigned to scramble and intercept wayward commercial aircraft] and why this wasn’t done. Why a plane was called back, why the Otis [Air Force Base] pilots when they turned to intercept Flight 77, which they knew about and New York was already hit, they turned to get 77 and they were called back.
SH: What’s #2?
JJ: The second thing I would do would be hearings about Bin Laden, about Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and the US intelligence connection.
SH: Back to the Mujahedin….
JJ: And whether they call in the academics, like John Cooley, or Peter Dale Scott, or the people that have done the historical research on it, or perhaps some current or former intelligence agents, around that operation and Casey’s off-the-shelf operations for that period, the 90’s out, including Contragate. Because the funding for Contragate and the Mujadedin is the same, half of it comes through Saudi Arabia through BCCI, and the other half comes from CIA and drug money either directly or through Pakistani intelligence. And the fact that Mohammed Atta was living with an Iran/Contra pilot is not a negligible fact to me.
SH: What pilot was that?
JJ: I don’t remember his name but it was in the Sarasota papers, at the time that he got the $100,000
SH: What’s #3?
JJ: If I had a third major area to go after, I guess at this point since they’re doing policy stuff it would be the Civil Liberties question. I’d re-air a hearing on that and people that are concerned with Civil Liberties would get a say.
SH: People with credentials, like the ACLU….
JJ: I mean, there are other pieces you could do, the Bush Family connections come up, the forewarnings, because not only did they have warnings and indications that this was a possibility, or an imminent possibility that summer, they had specific forewarnings, the Mayor of San Francisco was told by his security people not to fly that day. MS-NBC and Newsweek were told by Pentagon Brass not to fly that day. Rumsfeld and Ashcroft about a month ahead cancelled any commercial flights and announced they were doing that. On what basis were these forewarnings given? Track them down. Who knew and what did they know? The forewarnings are even more specific.
Now, some people focus on the unfinished investigation, well it’s not unfinished on the FBI side because they say it doesn’t mean anything, but the unfinished investigation of these put options. I never followed that that closely or put that much stock in it.
SH: Ruppert does.
JJ: Yeah, Ruppert and Kyle did.
SH: Andreas Von Bulow, the former German member of Parliament, said it the put options resulted in gains of $14 billion.
JJ: It well could be. They are things that to me, don’t necessarily highlight government complicity, though they would be interesting to know. If you could show the people….I mean it just as well could be that the people planning it that invested in it, we just don’t know. The SEC as far as we know never finished the investigation although the FBI says they investigated it and there’s nothing there.
SH: Buzzy Krongard was the head of ABBrown, Deutschbank…
JJ: Three years before.
SH: yeah….
JJ: I mean he wasn’t current at the time they were doing it.
SH: And now he’s #3 at the CIA.
JJ: And he did have a previous relationship to the Bank, I’m aware of that. But it’s just the bank, it’s not his personal investment, these banks put the money through on behalf of somebody else, and that’s why you have to have a SEC investigation, to figure that out. We would call for the SEC investigation to finish and then be transparent. It’s a potential lead but it’s one that I can’t follow on my own, it’s one the government has to follow.
Similarly, there are questions about whether the buildings were imploded, or whether they fell down from the airplane crash and the fuel exploding. Again, I don’t know but at the same time, I don’t know whether the same people who flew the planes into the buildings put explosives in the buildings, they put explosives in the buildings before. In and of itself it doesn’t tell me…I mean a lot of people say, ‘Well if that’s true then it has to be an inside job.’ Not necessarily. Somebody has to pay off their cousin, but….
So what we’ve tried to go after on Citizen’s Watch are the hard questions that can’t be brushed away. They also can’t be easily answered without doing an investigation, but then also to investigate it, not by asking the NORAD brass, who have the most invested in covering it up, but by asking the people on the bottom, at the mechanical level, each piece of this. The background of these guys would yield to more information. Like Hopsicker’s been doing down there, you go into detail about who knew them, lived around them. And now he’s coming and saying the FBI was apparently coming out and telling these people to shut up. That’s an old pattern. We know that from the Kennedy assassination, the FBI going around and telling people, don’t tell anybody. This guy Hoffman was a deaf/mute, he was across the highway [in Dallas that day], saw guys with rifles up on the grassy knoll, disassembling rifles and putting them down the sewer, after the shooting. The FBI said to him, "don’t talk to anybody about it." The guy’s a deaf/mute!
That kind of intimidation doesn’t come with a real investigation.
[interrupted briefly by a citizen reading a far-right newspaper who commented on what he had overheard of Judge’s comments]
JJ: That’s how I got a lot of my information over the years, is that I’d give a lecture and people’d come up to me and say, my father did this, my uncles did this. If we would tell the history of our own families, the whole thing would fall apart.
JJ: Mae Brussell was a mentor to me. I knew her for about 20 years. We worked together. I picked up on her first article that came out in the Realist: "Why Was Martha Mitchell Kidnapped?" It had a small connection at the end about how Nixon came to power, and Nixon’s Nazi connections. I had been working on some of the Nazi stuff, in relation to JFK so I called her and we started collaborating. I brought her to my school to speak, about once a week I would call her, I was flipping the Post and the New York Times, I would give her information that I was getting on what stories were breaking, like Watergate. She was an inspiration to me, she really worked indefatiguable, she clipped 15 daily newspapers, 50 periodicals a month, read 300 books a year, and broke it all down into a radio show she called "World Watchers" she based it on "Weight Watchers" and thought that other housewives like her would start clipping and sharing the data and having little clubs. As it turned out, I was the only one who would gather a little group every time a tape came out and we’d listen to it. We called ourselves "Brussellsprouts." It was a rewarding relation. She had such energy flowing through her. She cross reference-indexed the entire Warren Report, 1800 pages in all these folders. She recognized the people so well she could watch them move. She called and passed a note to Rose Kennedy five days before Bobby Kennedy was shot, saying the people who killed your son John are moving on Bobby. She called Mary Jo Kopechne’s parents three days before Chapaquidick and said, "They’re going to murder your daughter." And she said to me later, "I shouldn’t have said that I’m a conspiracy researcher, I should have said that I was a psychic, then they’d all love me, like Jean Dixon."
JJ: Mae cracked the code in the Kennedy Assassination because once she did the cross-referencing she could see who knew each other and who positioned Oswald as a patsy who was around him and who was behind him. It was this network of White Russian and Nazi "Solidarists" they called themselves, the East Euro. Revanchists, the rich who had lost their fortunes in the Russian Revolution, the beginnings of the Axis. They marshaled funds, a lot through Herbert Hoover, they used Hitler as a patsy, they drove into the Soviet Union….A lot of people around Oswald were people in that circle who had intelligence ties, and helped to set him up to kill Kennedy, because Kennedy wanted détente with the Soviet Union. She had seen Kennedy killed, she liked Kennedy, had voted for him. She was from the I. Magnins family the department stores in Los Angeles.
[Fragments from earlier in the interview, not as important to the 9/11 investigation story, but well worth reading:]
JJ:
"Anthrax — didn’t come from abroad, the trail led to door of Ft. Detrick and then it stopped. They realized from its DNA signature that it was Ames screen-which means U. of Iowa, which had an archive of all the known pathenogenic strains of anthrax….if you inhale [this strain] it’s a lot more lethal…. People would order various strains from them in order to work on cures for it or work to weaponize it. Once they identified it as Ames strain, it would have been possible to go back to Ames and figure out which particular batch this came from and then that batch would have had a paper trail of who had ordered that batch, but 10 days before the first Anthrax envelope was mailed, (this was recorded by the NY Times, and this was called a "bungling" of the investigation) FBI contacted the U. at Ames and convinced them to destroy the entire 70 year archive. So, there’s absolutely no paper trail left. But there is information in the public record info about Project Jefferson and Operation Clear Vision, both running in year up to 9/11 reported on September 4th and 5th, it was a international scandal, USA was doing projects and experiments with chemical and biological elements that violated international treaties that the US had signed. They claimed that they had to because something similar was going on in Russia. Project Jefferson was first ordered by Rumsfeld when he came in to Pentagon, he tasked the DIA to generate the next generation of Anthrax. Anthrax should be genetically altered to be more resistant to the normal antibiotics (which was the case with this), and more weaponized, more distributable. [At the Anthrax attacks this stuff ] …was weaponized at a level they had never seen. In other words, the earlier weaponization had gotten it down to 2 or 3 billion spores per gram, this was over a trillion spores per gram. It was a very lethal weapon. It couldn’t have been developed by some guy in a lab. But on September the 9th, two days before the attack, the DIA held a press conference here in DC and announced they had developed the next generation of anthrax. Also, right on 9/11 the White House staff was told to go on Cipro. There was also a huge contract with Bioport, who put that out right before the attack. The Peace Center began when all this was a twinkle in some geneticist’s eye.
SH: What are your conclusions about Anthrax?
JJ:
Well, I think that this was another domestic terrorist attack that had the signature of US intelligence, or military intelligence on it. I think that that’s where people have been reluctant to look.
SH:
You have told me you doubt the "Monarch Program" existed, but what about the factual evidence about the US Government’s MK-ULTRA program, and mind control?
JJ: There was a letter from Allen Dulles to Earl Warren responding to a query from Warren about suspicions that Oswald might have been programmed in the Soviet Union, because he went into for a mastoid operation on his ear and spent too many days in the hospital. Dulles wrote back and said "we have had an ongoing program of psychological manipulation for political control since the late 1940s" So, I believe they already had Manchurian Candidate capability coming out of WW II. Landsdale, who many people link to the Kennedy assassination, and Nelson Rockefeller, were intimately involved in ONI and other military intelligence programs on mind control.
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JJ:
….G.H.W. Bush’s first big job in Texas was with Dresser Industries, DI, a subsidiary of Halliburton, and then there’s Kellogg, Brown & Root. Brown and Root, when it was an independent company, was George Brown who paid the way for LBJ all the way to the Presidency. When LBJ reversed Kennedy’s war policy, Brown & Root made $4 billion on construction of Cameroon Bay and all the construction companies in Viet Nam. And similarly, Brown & Root under Halliburton is making big money under Cheney’s investment package that sits there, you know, "blind trust" but not so blind they don’t know to give Halliburton a sweet heart deal. And then when Halliburton recently overcharges on this gas, Bush says, "Well if they did, they’ll have to pay it back." Is that what you say to a bank robber? I mean, some could go to jail for that sort of thing, they could certainly have their contract cancelled, they could also pay the money back, and they’re not allowed have future contracts. But all he says is slap their hand, oh they’ll have to pay it back. What world do they live in? They live in a world in which the law means nothing. Except when they want to kill you and then it’s "bring them to justice." [about Iraq] "We’ll either bring them to justice, or we’ll bring justice to them. Wanted Dead or Alive" was the first thing out of his mouth about 9/11 which is the posse [mentality], that has nothing to with justice. Things are so perverse, you have people on the radio saying, "given the crimes Saddam committed, he should be given a fair trail and then be executed." Hello? It’s like Alice in Wonderland, "‘first the sentence, then the evidence’ said the Queen."