William Rodriguez Supports Official Collapse Theory on Spanish TV
This is weird--it's from 9/11/06 and Rodriguez posted it himself on YouTube (user wroudy) http://www.youtube.com/v/E_pvD-tdRDw&hl=en&fs=1
at 1:58
"...la torre sur fue impactada en los pisos mas bajos y obviamente cayo primero por haber sido impactada en un punto mas" [bajo]...[interrupted]
"...the south tower was hit in lower floors (than the north tower) and obviously fell first from having been struck at a point that was more" [low]... [interrupted]
Truly bizarre. If he isn't allowed to talk about the explosions or if they're editing those parts out, couldn't he at least refrain from pretending to believe the official (bogus) collapse explanation?
interesting comment
the guy interviewed after William... notice anything interesting about what he says at 4:50?
alright i'll just tell you
he says they were going down the stairs in the north tower at a good pace until they hit the 40th floor when "the smoke got a little bit thick". now why would the stairwells be smokier on the lower floors than on the ones above? Given that the only source of smoke at this point was the fire that was up around the 80-90th floors? did the guy in this interview, for example, not wonder why the smoke seemed to be coming from below?
yup, smoke rises
amazing that you caught that. not amazing, but thanks. at what floors were the respective buildings hit again?
Has William Rodriguez Been Co-opted by the Fake Truth Movement?
Or was he in fact one of its founding members? This recent exhange at 911Blogger prompted me to dig up this post where I show that Willie actually does at least pretend to believe the OCT version of the twin towers collapse. And Willie is one of the proposed commissioners [edit: or is he just on the board? too tired to check right now... -gReT] for NYC CAN? Uh huh.
http://www.911blogger.com/node/20920
Your list...
Of "giants" differs from mine. Did you know that Willie Rodriguez doesn't support CD? Bombs in the building is different than CD. The question of how those buildings came down is ABSOLUTELY a question that needs to be answered. However, the question doesn't define the cause of 9/11 Truth.
The "research" I assume you're talking about (anything other than how those buildings came down), for the most part (with the exception of a missile at the Pentagon, Flight 93 being shot down, and a "stand down" order), like the majority of this, has been completely and totally ignored by "the perpetrators and their propaganda octopus." I wonder why.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Submitted by Jon Gold on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 9:51am.
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Our list
That's just the point, I quoted "your" because I think all of this is actually "our" research. I simply don't make the distinction. I think the 9/11 truth movement has matured to the point where it can distinguish between genuine and unresolved/controversial avenues of research. I would say that is certainly the case for 911blogger. There may be some heated discussions, but generally people are well versed in the subject matter by now. The Pentagon may remain deeply divisive, but the number of divisive topics has dwindled.
When discussing 9/11, I often mention the plight of the families and first responders, the protection of double/triple agents such as Ali Mohamed, the failure of the 9/11 commission, the financial crimes of 9/11, the EPA lies, the prior knowledge issue, the geopolitical agenda tied to 9/11, the role of foreign intelligence, the vague nature of the "Al Qaeda" network, the various conflicts of interest with government figures linked to 9/11, et cetera et cetera.
Of course, I'm sure we can all agree that we haven't covered election fraud, wiretapping and anthrax enough either, which are all powerful and deeply disturbing issues to be faced. The bigger picture is that of rising totalitarianism. I reject a single issue movement, but I do support the CD researchers. I haven't blindly followed, but attempted to verify claims with what physics and chemistry knowledge I have. This also involves "neutral" parties, such as RJ Lee and the USGS. The RJ Lee reports are as devastating to the OCT as the work of J.O.N.E.S. and AE911Truth is, imo.
The main stream media doesn't focus on controlled demolition research because it's a weak argument, but because within this argument lie both threats and opportunities: the threat being scientific certainty: absolute proof of active and malicious government involvement, and the opportunity being that the discussion lends itself perfectly for logical fallacies and proof by intimidation. (I.e. stacked odds, TNRAT, argument from authority, and most of all, relying on the poor educational system to do the rest)
Scientific research is only one avenue of 9/11 research but it offers quantified insights into the likelihood of a government conspiracy, whereas non-quantifiable research depends on the public's sensitivity to ethics to drive the point home: i.e. acceptability. I think the ideal approach is a combination of both.
As for William Rodriguez: I don't know exactly where he stands, but I do know this
Submitted by SnowCrash on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 10:40am.
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I do know where Willie stands...
And he doesn't support or promote the idea of a "Controlled Demolition." Does he support those who question how those buildings came down? You bet. Some of us have promoted that which you mentioned. Too many times to count.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Submitted by Jon Gold on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 10:46am.
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Since when does William Rodriguez NOT support CD?
That is an outrageous claim Jon that needs to be backed up by some strong evidence such as Mr. Rodriguez saying it himself. I have met William twice and attended his lecture twice and saw NOTHING in his presentation that contradicts CD. He is very specific about a BOMB going off prior to the plane impact so how you can even suggest he does not support CD is bizarre to me. What is going on here Jon? Please clarify this statement.
Submitted by AtomicBomb on Sat, 08/22/2009 - 8:06am.
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A bomb...
Does not equal Controlled Demolition. Willie has NEVER promoted Controlled Demolition with regards to his story. He just TELLS his story. I don't understand why this is so hard for people to understand. I have asked Willie to come here, and speak for himself. Whether or not he does, is up to him.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Submitted by Jon Gold on Sat, 08/22/2009 - 8:30am.
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You are implying William rejects CD.
Just because he does not openly talk about or promote the CD evidence during his talks does not mean he rejects CD Jon. He simply doesn't talk about it because it is beyond the scope of his experience that day. The way you characterize him is as though he does not think there was a CD at all which is wrong (unless I hear otherwise from William himself). Saying he "has NEVER promoted Controlled Demolition" leads people to think you are saying he rejects the CD idea altogether. I don't understand why that is so hard for you to understand? Saying he doesn't talk about CD during his lectures but takes no position on CD positive or negative would be accurate and not so misleading.
One further point is that William does talk about bombs in the basement which is VERY close to an outright endorsement of CD so for you to make this distinction about bombs and CD being two completely different things is a huge stretch.
In my book William Rodriguez is the very definition of hero so I pay very close attention to him and what he says. Nothing I have ever heard from him suggests even a tiny bit that he rejects the CD concept so I don't know why you are even saying "Willie has NEVER promoted Controlled Demolition" unless it is to imply that he rejects CD. Is that what you are saying Jon? According to you does William Rodriguez reject CD?
Submitted by AtomicBomb on Sun, 08/23/2009 - 5:09am.
"Willie Rodriguez doesn't support CD"
That is patently false. I challenge you to back up this claim. I've met Willie and attended his presentation and I have no idea how you can come up with such a claim.
"Bombs in the building is different than CD."
???
Jon, are you actually going to argue the logic in which you believe that bombs were in the building but still reject CD?
Submitted by Eleusus on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 3:09pm.
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I talk to Willie...
All of the time. I just saw his new movie. It was great. No mention of a "Controlled Demolition" in it though. Maybe you should ask Willie yourself what he believes. I already know.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Submitted by Jon Gold on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 3:14pm.
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"No mention of controlled demolition"
does not mean that he does not believe it. His movie was about his personal experience with the explosions, he doesn't need to discuss the technical science of CD, it's already a given and assumed to be a reality.
Please provide a link to prove that Willie does not believe in CD. If he doesn't believe in CD, what does he theorize about the explosions?
Submitted by Eleusus on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 3:32pm.
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I don't have a "link"
I know from the multitude of conversations that we've had. Again, ask him yourself. He's not a hard person to find. I can see that you're one of those argumentative posters, so I've decided to avoid you. Take care.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Submitted by Jon Gold on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 3:40pm.
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If he does not believe in cd...
what is his theory about the explosives planted in the buildings?
Submitted by Eleusus on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 3:40pm.
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As far as I know...
He doesn't claim to "know" what happened in those buildings. He DOES NOT promote the idea of a "Controlled Demolition," and NEVER has. He tells his story, and that's it. As I said earlier, he supports those who are looking into how those buildings came down, but he DOES NOT endorse or promote Controlled Demolition. Now, if you have any further questions about Willie Rodriguez, I suggest you ask him.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Submitted by Jon Gold on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 3:48pm.
I understand if he just
I understand if he just wants to stick to exactly what he has experienced. If he starts promoting Jon Gold branded lihop however, I would lump him in with the disinfo and the stupid.
but he isn't...
he's pimping the OCT--unequivocally stating in his spanish language tv interview that the towers :
"...la torre sur fue impactada en los pisos mas bajos y obviamente cayo primero por haber sido impactada en un punto mas" [bajo]...[interrupted]
"...the south tower was hit in lower floors (than the north tower) and obviously fell first from having been struck at a point that was more" [low]... [interrupted]
And yeah, that key of hope bullshit has always annoyed me--he claims that "people call it the key of hope" and by people he means Willie and WIlliam I presume. He also says in this interview that the key of hope is going to be in the museum at the 9/11 memorial at ground zero. Plus he's a NYC CAN board member? Sorry, but I think i've reached my benefit of the doubt limit with this guy!
thanks for the heads up
thanks for the heads up
he also says...
that the four other people who had master keys (keys of hope) were Port Authority employees trained in first aid, etc. because of the 93 bombing, and that they were "the first to run to save themselves". wondering if that's really true--either way it's certainly a self-serving thing for him to say...
I didn't know he had said that...
That is remarkably self-serving.
Also, does he really call it "the key of hope"? That's so funny. I always knew the guy was a weasel. Running around selling tickets to tell his story of heroism. Even if he did do something courageous on 9/11, the LAST thing you do after that is run around trying to make a buck off it.
I wonder what else he would do to keep from going back to sweeping staircases for a living...
"The future is not inherited, it is achieved." JFK
Willie is practiced in the art of deception, in fact as a...
magician. Willie always starts out all of his presentations by telling his personal story about how his previous profession was working as a magician. From Magical Realism
9/11 Survivor Detects Sleight of Hand, 2005
Russ Wellen:
[Willie said]"I was a magician for thirty years... It is very easy to do misdirection, to make you look into one place while you're doing the magic with the other hand." He's obviously inferring that in plain sight, the planes struck; out of sight, bombs exploded. [or could he also be speaking on multiple levels at onnce, simultaneously trying to tell us about what he, himself, is up to in the way that certain BS artists will often hide the truth in plain site in front of our eyes either to see how gullible we are, and/or a subconscious gesture to let slip the truth?] "It's just a big magic trick," Rodriguez concludes. "It's an illusion."
Guess it would take an illusionist to know one.
That last statement made me want to re-read it 5 more times.
In fact, I recommend reading the whole article at http://www.buffalobeast.com/89/wellen89.htm
Some more quotes from the article:
After emigrating from Puerto Rico, where he'd been featured on TV escaping from a chained straight jacket while hanging from a burning rope, Rodriguez found himself a small fish in the big pond of New York magicians. While struggling to catch on, he took a day job as a custodian at the World Trade Center.
[...]
Not only wasn't Rodriguez playing the game, but, like 9/11 widow Ellen Mariani, he signed on with lawyer Phil Berg to file a suit against the entire administration. The government normally uses the RICO Act to nail organized crime as a conspiracy. However, in a daring display of turnabout-is-fair-play, Berg accused the government of conspiring against the people.
Then, when the government filed a motion to dismiss, or at least transfer, the case on grounds of national security, Berg filed an affidavit that goes beyond the usual aggressive legalese, races past bold, and flies off into the realm of courting disaster.
[The lawsuit was immediately thrown out, as many predicted it would]
It alleges that the defendants "had knowledge that the attacks were impending. . . but they failed to [take countermeasures], not by reason of mere negligence, confusion, or ineptitude, but because they affirmatively desired such attacks to occur [author's italics]."
[...]
The media-savvy Rodriguez is careful to avoid being lumped in with the likes of those who believe passengers were spirited away pre-flight, the doomed planes guided to their destinations by remote control. It's apparent, however, that he and Berg tacitly support the controlled demolition scenario.
[...]
Meanwhile, reporters and commentators, concerned Rodriguez antagonized people in high places, advised him to back off. As if to lend credence to them, his apartment was broken into and, among other things, his laptop was stolen. It failed to scare Rodriguez, however, because he feels that by all rights he should have died on 9/11 and is now living on borrowed time.
"I'm alive because of the miracle," he says. "This is a second chance. The William Rodriguez who was here before 9/11 has disappeared completely. Gone, gone."
[...]
Rodriguez also sought out the National Institute of Safety and Technology, which was investigating the collapse of the WTC, but was rebuffed. Neither was the FBI interested in his contention that he'd encountered one of the hijackers casing out the buildings several months before 9/11.[!!! My BS detector goes off]
[...]
At times, Rodriguez seems too good to be true. Losing himself in service, he neglected his own needs and, briefly homeless, actually lived out of his car. Most telling though was his refusal to submit an application to the 9/11 Victims Compensation Fund.
A cynic might maintain that he was reserving the right to the lawsuit Berg subsequently filed on his behalf. But Rodriguez had to know, as Kenneth Feinberg, special master of the 9/11 Victims Fund, made clear in his book, What is Life Worth? (Public Affairs, 2005), that those who opted out of the fund to file suit on their own had little chance of a substantial financial settlement.
To indulge in armchair psychoanalysis, Rodriguez's self-denial makes him look like a martyr who's thrown himself on the funeral pyre of survivor guilt. Of course, this does nothing to diminish what he's done.
wikipedia:
Biography
Magician's assistant
As a young man, Rodriguez worked under the stage name "Roudy" as an assistant to magician James Randi.[31][32] A December, 2005 article published on the Internet claimed that Rodriguez was adroit at insinuating himself into the good graces of Randi's targets and eliciting incriminating information, and that he had previously been featured on television in Puerto Rico escaping from a chained straitjacket while hanging from a burning rope.[33]
assistant to James Randi?
As in JREF James Randi? Nooo.... Well, yes--if wikipedia is to be believed. Now how weird is that? As weird as Randi himself being affiliated with Michael Schermer's "Skeptic" magazine?
"Randi also contributes a regular column, titled "'Twas Brillig," to The Skeptics Society's Skeptic Magazine. In his weekly commentary, Randi often gives examples of what he considers the nonsense that he deals with every day.[49]"
hmmm... source seems solid for Willie working for Randi...
31^ The Faith Healers, by James Randi, Prometheus Books; 2nd edition (1989) ISBN 0879755350 p. 133.
32^ Flim-Flam! Psychics, ESP, Unicorns, and Other Delusions, by James Randi. Prometheus Books (June 1982) ISBN 0879751983, pp.293, 306, 323.
Wow. Randi of JREF? No Shit...
That plus the fact that...Jon Gold vouches for Willie and considers him is personal friend (when Gold has never embraced anybody who was associated with controlled demolition...er, that's right, Willie only embraces bombs, not controlled demolition) raises, oh, about a million red flags for me.
Didnt he also relay a story
Didnt he also relay a story about how either he or one of his co-workers recognized one of the "terrorists" casing the WTC weeks before it happened? I could be wrong about this so if anybody out there has a link drop it now.
Couple that with his photo op with Bush and the things you've mentioned and reasonable doubt about Willie is in order. Would suck to think hes some kind of "plant" but I imagine the perps would assume that enough people would question the "collapses" where they would want to insert some people to muddy the debate with talk of isolated "al qaeda planted bombs" etc.
I remember that as well...
though I can't put my finger on exactly where, I do seem to remember him talking about seeing "arab" looking people prior to 9/11... but I could be mistaken.
I don't think he was inserted as you say. I think that once people develop any kind of credibility in a counter-culture movement like this, they can be approached and co-opted to serve in a different capacity.
"The future is not inherited, it is achieved." JFK
According to History Commons...
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=william_rodriguez
William Rodriguez was a participant or observer in the following events:
June 2001: Janitor Claims to Witness Hijacker inside World Trade Center
Janitor William Rodriguez, who has worked at the World Trade Center for 20 years, believes he sees Flight 175 hijacker Mohand Alshehri in one of the towers. Rodriguez is cleaning washrooms on the Trade Center’s concourse level one weekend, when a person he later believes to have been Alshehri approaches him and asks, “[H]ow many public bathrooms are in this area?” Rodriguez says he finds this “very strange.” After 9/11, he will recognize the man from newspaper photos as having been the suspected hijacker. He will say he is “very certain, I’ll give it 90 percent” that the man he’d seen was Alshehri. He will tell the FBI of this encounter, but will never hear back from them. FBI officials later say they have never heard of Rodriguez, but they do not discount his story. [Daily Telegraph, 6/15/2004; MSNBC, 6/15/2004; New York Daily News, 6/15/2004] According to FBI and 9/11 Commission accounts, Mohand Alshehri has only recently entered the US, on May 28, 2001 (see April 23-June 29, 2001), though other reports suggest he was in the country several months earlier (see January or July 28, 2001). [US Congress, 9/26/2002; 9/11 Commission, 8/21/2004, pp. 23
]
Entity Tags: Mohand Alshehri, William Rodriguez
Timeline Tags: Complete 911 Timeline, 9/11 Timeline
(8:46 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Janitor Hears Explosion from WTC Basement
Entity Tags: William Rodriguez, World Trade Center
Timeline Tags: Complete 911 Timeline, 9/11 Timeline
(Between 8:50 a.m. and 9:03 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Janitor Hears Explosions and Other Strange Noises in North Tower
After firefighters arrive at the North Tower, janitor William Rodriguez leads some of them up its stairs. Being one of only five people possessing a master key, he opens emergency exit doors as he goes up, allowing people to escape from the building. But between the tower’s 20th and 30th floors he hears a series of explosions. The source of these is unknown. Then, when he reaches the 33rd floor he hears what sounds like heavy equipment being dragged across the floor of the level above. He finds this puzzling, he later says, because the 34th floor is supposed to be empty and has been off limits for weeks due to a construction project. After he reaches the 39th floor, Rodriguez is ordered to turn back by the firefighters with him. He then hears the sound of the second plane hitting the WTC, at 9:03 a.m. Rodriguez also claims he heard an explosion from the North Tower’s basement just seconds before it was hit at 8:46 a.m. (see (8:46 a.m.) September 11, 2001). He will later be credited with saving many lives on 9/11, and be treated as a hero. [Christian Science Monitor, 3/25/2004; Western Morning News, 12/2/2006; Herald (Glasgow), 2/16/2007; Argus (Brighton), 2/26/2007]
Entity Tags: William Rodriguez, World Trade Center
Timeline Tags: Complete 911 Timeline, 9/11 Timeline
Well, look at that... Willy is the back-up story...
"the terrorists planted bombs in the buildings"... this will be the story if someone ever does a test on the dust and finds the traces of explosive residues...
"The future is not inherited, it is achieved." JFK
Regardless of who is right or wrong in the Willy R. debate...
... I have never supported Willy's efforts nor have I promoted his site or his "appearances" from on my site.
The easiest people to co-opt in this movement (or any movement for that matter), are the ones who join it for the wrong reasons.
When Willy went on tour, running around showing his famous "key", calling himself "the hero" of 9/11 and "the last man out"... he was doing one thing and one thing only, trying to make sure he never had to go back to work sweeping staircases again.
I remember before the Truth movement down here in Tampa was undermined (by it's founder and leader, by the way (she just HAPPENED to get a contract with FEMA reconstruction in New Orleans...)) they tried to press Willy R.'s tour as something we should support.
Willy had this thing where he was selling tickets to his "speech" at venues all across the country, but that apparently wasn't enough for the guy, and he came up with a plan to collect money from the "Truthers" to pay for his travel expenses... gas money, bus driver, hotel stays... ect.. So I guess the $20 per ticket to see him speak was being eaten up by his travel expenses for his road show...
quite pathetic.
When someone's actions are clearly all about what they can stick in their own pockets, it's pretty easy to figure out the best way to get to that individual, isn't it?
Remember when part of his story was that "they" had come to him and offered him a million bucks to stop talking? Methinks thou dost protest too much...
"The future is not inherited, it is achieved." JFK
I don't know
what to think regarding Willie... I've never felt suspicious of him or his motives, and afaict he does support controlled demo. I think it will be almost impossible to spin CD of the towers into "The Arabs planted the charges!" If ever the reality of CD becomes mainstream, people will laugh off the AA-rab explanation, even the dumbest of the dumb.
Jon Gold's comments are sadly hilarious.
more strangeness about Willie Rodriguez
from a debunker site...
WTC Fuel
Just some relative volumes using a nice graphic made by someone else.
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5919/911fuelscaleexport.jpg
is 10,000 gallons really just 1337 cubic feet?
i'm thinking how many gallon bottles of milk I could empty into a cubic foot--is it really around six and a half gallons of milk in each cubic foot??
a cubic foot is big
doesn't seem like it'd be more than a 5 gallon bucket but the google sayeth
1 cubic foot = 7.48051948 US gallons
http://www.google.com/search?q=gallons+per+cubic+foot
I guess I should go measure a 5 gallon bucket and see what's up with that.
ok cool
i was concerned about using these comparisons, but now I say--dang, this is a great visualization exercise that illustrates the absurdity AT LEAST of the basement explosions being caused by the jet fuel...
EDIT: 11x11x11=1331, so the jet fuel would be a cube 11 ft on each side
3 dimensional version of this...
the small red cube represents a cube 11 feet on each side (10,000 gallons) next to (and in) the north tower...
Top section?
Is that to scale, representing the impact level? VERY effective visual! Kudos!
actually...
I had to add 2.5 inches after revising my calculations and realizing I made a mistake. but I do think that it's roughly equivalent to the actual impact area...
Roudy and Randi
FWIW:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2147602&postcount=8
Rosie ODonnell interviews William Rodriguez
Rosie ODonnell interviews William Rodriguez
Anyone hear this yet? I'm curious to know whether Rodriguez has stopped ducking the issue of whether he believes the explosions he witnessed were the result of bombs placed by Arab Muslim terrorists or as a result of a planned demolition of the WTC.
Rodriguez won't answer Questions -Trying to make this about Phil
This is so disgusting. I just found this and wasn't all that surprised by it. This isn't about Phil Jayhan, this is about Willies story and his very obvious lies.
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Now that it is pointed out, it is obvious to me. William is a fraud! And we have to make sure Willie doesn't wiggle out of this by making it about Jayhan.
thanks for the tip, but...
...That blog by Phil Jayhan bordered on calling for violence against Rodriguez, which won't be tolerated here. For the curious, Jayhan broke down the claims made by Rodriguez regarding his actions the morning of 9/11 and finds that there isn't enough time for him to have done everything he claims he did. Personally I find the most suspicious thing about Rodriguez is his past association with James Randi of JREF (which Jayhan also mentioned). It wouldn't surprise me if his story turned out to be mostly fabricated, and that he duped Rosie O'Donnell into supporting him.