Listening to NIST Presentation on 7... and AE Rebuttal

of the upper floors from the lower is that the sprinkler system (and overall water supply) to the upper floors was more reliable. Nothing to do with explosions on any lower floors. >whistling innocently<

"Are you contending that localized fires caused all 47 columns to fail simultaneously so that the building collapsed in 8 seconds?"

Dr. Sunder: blah, blah, it was a PROGRESSIVE collapse; they did not fail simultaneously.

[This is freakin' weak, people. Weaker than I thought it would be. They're hardly trying at all.]

"Ya know, a lot of conspiracy theorists claim that this looked like a controlled demolition because the building fell into such a neat pile. Can you explain why it was not a controlled demolition?"

Dr. Sunder: "Well, you know, in a controlled demolition, charges are placed on many columns... yadda yadda... you can go to a website and see what a controlled demolition looks like... didn't look like this."

The video wouldn't load at all, the audio is really spotty. The audio was gone completely for 3-4 minutes, and when it popped back on, it turns out some dude was grilling him about thermate!

One factor used to rule out explosive demolition is that they determined it would just be too damn loud. Charges sufficient to sever those critical columns would have been equivalent to a jet engine, heard from a mile away (or something), blah blah.

So thermate dude rejoins, but thermate would sever the columns relatively quietly!

Well, it would take about a hundred pounds of therMITE, sez Dr. S., and you would have to find a way to get it to stick to the columns, and that just wouldn't work.

Good job, truther dude!

Some guy is asking him about the spherical dust residue and the research of Dr. Jones and it sounds like they were trying to get the mic away from him... more technical difficulties...
Dr. Sunder's reply almost inaudible...

... was just an ritual act. Government expert gets up in front of reporters to say, "It was fire. Fire did it. We should make buildings safer." There is no need to offer any kind of persuasive explanation, just to perform the ritual so that it can be cited in the future. "NIST explained it. It was not controlled demolition -- NIST said so. There were no explosions -- NIST said so. NIST explained it." They must have been pretty relieved when they decided to scrap their attempt to actually formulate a scientific explanation and go with a faith-based one instead.

Note the evasion here. They say that tests for thermite would have been inconclusive, which isn't likely true or relevant, but they can't even hedge like that for the question of testing for residue of explosives.

Did investigators consider the possibility that an explosion caused or contributed to the collapse of WTC 7?
Yes, this possibility was investigated carefully. NIST concluded that blast events inside the building did not occur and found no evidence supporting the existence of a blast event.

In addition, no blast sounds were heard on the audio tracks of video recordings during the collapse of WTC 7 or reported by witnesses. According to calculations by the investigation team, the smallest blast capable of failing the building’s critical column would have resulted in a sound level of 130 decibels (dB) to 140 dB at a distance of at least half a mile, if unobstructed by surrounding buildings. This sound level is consistent with a gunshot blast, standing next to a jet plane engine, and more than 10 times louder than being in front of the speakers at a rock concert.

For the building to have been prepared for intentional demolition, walls and/or column enclosures and fireproofing would have to be removed and replaced without being detected. Preparing a column includes steps such as cutting sections with torches, which produces noxious and odorous fumes. Intentional demolition usually requires applying explosive charges to most, if not all, interior columns, not just one or a limited set of columns in a building.

Is it possible that thermite or thermate contributed to the collapse of WTC 7?
NIST has looked at the application and use of thermite and has determined that its use to sever columns in WTC 7 on 9/11/01 was unlikely.

Thermite is a combination of aluminum powder and a metal oxide that releases a tremendous amount of heat when ignited. It is typically used to weld railroad rails together by melting a small quantity of steel and pouring the melted steel into a form between the two rails.

To apply thermite to a large steel column, approximately 0.13 lb of thermite would be needed to heat and melt each pound of steel. For a steel column that weighs approximately 1,000 lbs. per foot, at least 100 lbs. of thermite would need to be placed around the column, ignited, and remain in contact with the vertical steel surface as the thermite reaction took place. This is for one column … presumably, more than one column would have been prepared with thermite, if this approach were to be used.

It is unlikely that 100 lbs. of thermite, or more, could have been carried into WTC 7 and placed around columns without being detected, either prior to Sept. 11 or during that day.

Given the fires that were observed that day, and the demonstrated structural response to the fires, NIST does not believe that thermite was used to fail any columns in WTC 7.

Analysis of the WTC steel for the elements in thermite/thermate would not necessarily have been conclusive. The metal compounds also would have been present in the construction materials making up the WTC buildings, and sulfur is present in the gypsum wallboard used for interior partitions.

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/wtc_qa_082108.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/nyregion/22wtccnd.html

Dr. Shyam Sunder just went and verified my thesis that 9/11 was a frickin’ fifth column Hindoo Job (so the U.S. would then naturally attack the Islamo-fascist, Paki extremists). I’m throwing out all my Ravi Shankar records right now. No more of that twangy-ass music, smelly pagan incense, and no more a that spicy food, or even saag paneer, either. Dr. Sunder with his “we ain’t got no river water to put this out” shit has totally poisoned the well for me. I’m selling my deluxe DVD edition of “Gandhi” as well (the one with all the car chase extras that they left out of the original film).

In Sanskrit, shyam(a) means ‘black’, and sundara or sunder means ‘beautiful’, and so it appears that NIST’s own Dr. Sunder (if that is his real name)—named for the black and beautiful Hindu god Krishna—has decided to continue on his path of doing the will of the Dark Empire by going with the “super hot campfire/tight jar” theory from the Ayahuasca school of cutting edge ideas on hallucinatory structural collapse and improbable chaos theory.

On the bright side though, all of this has given me a great business idea – “Uncle Lazlo’s Campfire Demolitions, Ltd.” We will make a lot of our profits just on the materials end of each job. I mean, how much does a couple of cans of gas and a few Bic lighters cost? We send a couple of our guys out to the site; they light a few floors on fire; wait 8 hours; building comes down into its own footprint; no problemo; and we farm out the messy clean-up part of the job. I think this could really succeed. Eat it, CDI, damn amateurs with all their fancy-ass, over-priced explosives, detonators, proprietary software, and computer shit. What a scam those CDI guys are. At our company, we use the inexpensive, but completely effective, “Silverstein Campfires Method.”

And hey, on the NIST contact sheet, I also noticed that the two info gatekeepers are Ben Stein and Michael Newman, which I just thought was kind of interesting. The Hindus always do this. They always put white Jewish dudes up front so that we will not notice the dark, polytheistic hand of the Ganesh worshippers behind the curtain.

“We decided to pull; no, it was that damn antenna from the north tower; no, it was the carpet (and secret doc) fires and an empty river; no, I was at the dermatologist, or dentist, or somewhere; Roger, Sharon, and Lisa were also at the dentist (Dr. Eisenberg most likely); and no, Odigo didn’t give me any heads up either!”
— Lucky Larry Silverstone (Bedrock, NY)

Thanks so much for the live blog commentary C & G. Will this season of weirdness and surreal treason ever end? I even woke up this morning thinking, “I’ll bet they’re going to go with their very last, and only card, the ‘super-hot campfires’ theory, because a planeload of wild Arab extremists on horseback hijacking a plane and ramming it into WTC7 was taken off the old possible hypothesis table about 7 years ago.

“Just keep lying until these freaks go away.”
— Dr. Sunder’s guru, Swami Treasonananda

... and move my now dated post here:

2 Live News Conferences on Collapse of WTC7
http://wtcdemolition.com/blog/node/1464

down a ways.

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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)

take a look at the the 2 Editors picks comments(the comments the editors see as the most thoughtful and interesting!) on page 3 of the NY Times article comments section, one of them bashes "conspiracy theorists" and the other goes on about Diesel tanks being the culprit:

http://community.nytimes.com/article/comments/2008/08/22/nyregion/22wtccnd.html?s=1&pg=3

 fuck the NY Times and their spineless hack editors.

Full video of webcast now available. 112MB .FLV

http://agenda911.dk/article.php?story=nistaug2008

http://agenda911.dk/upgeek/nist/nist.flv

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However, it is only a portion 12:48 in length. It may be updated to the full webcast later. But truthfully, I don't really know. I've had trouble getting a handle on NIST's webcast on Building No. 7.

Available here:

http://agenda911.dk/article.php?story=nistaug2008

Direct link to 25.8 mb FLV file:

http://agenda911.dk/upgeek/nist/nist.flv

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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)

In these times of unprecedented insanity and apocalyptic global conflict under the direction of the decrepit and the certified criminally insane, I am glad I was able to at least make myself laugh (1st order of the day) and provide someone else with a humour break as well. Humour should be an ‘essential’ in anyone’s survival pack for the New World Order Frontier. One thing is for sure though, the WTCD folks are surely packin’ it and will probably survive as militant humourists and shunned social commentators deep into the next phase of food storage/gold-hoarding madness. It is probably our lot in life. And as the old saying goes, “when you’re in the old KBR camps, you can never have too many comedians (or shovels).”

I wouldn’t lose any sleep or rest over the long and complicated travels, exiles, and mixings of the Semitic Hebrew folks, or the peoples who adopted Judaism (the religion) over the centuries, like the Khazars, Yemenis, Arabs, or North African Berbers. Tracing and understanding this history is a full-time job. Did you know that Senator Joseph Biden claims Mesopotamian Judaic ancestry? I know, it never ends, does it? Isn’t he in one of the bands auditioning for the Obama VP gig? In these days and times, always watch the VP’s office. That is where the old “Microsoft backdoor” to Israel operates out of (cf. the “Libby-Cheney shop”). They’ll probably just send Obama out to work on his golf game in the backyard while the real “Business of State” is conducted out of “The Office Down the Hall.”

On the whole Semitic thing, I have never brought this up before, but the category, or term ‘Semite’, ‘Semitic’, can only be truly accepted on a genealogical or ‘racial’ basis if you believe that the story of “Noah and the Ark” is a valid historical event, rather than a Hebrew etiological tale of mythic tribal genealogy, developed and borrowed from the Babylonians during the half century of “Israelite exile” in Mesopotamia. If you believe that there was a hero of “the Great Flood/Deluge” named Noah (originally named in Sumerian and Akkadian - Ziusudra, Utnapishtim, or Atrahasis), and you believe that one of his (Noah’s) sons—the one named Shem—fathered the “Hebrew” and “Arab” tribes, and others, then you believe in a “race” of people known as Shemites or Semites, descendants of Shem, a son of the post-diluvial hero and super-good boat builder, Noah.

As a valid genealogical, biological, or ‘racial’ term, “Semite” is highly imprecise, based as it is upon a mythic history developed by a scribal priestly class. The term is more precisely used when it refers to an identifiable family of ancient Near and Middle Eastern languages. I don’t know if there is any such thing—genetically or genealogically—as a “Semite,” but there is most certainly a family of languages that share a common grammatical and linguistic structure, system, and shared vocabulary which 19th century scholars (under the influence of the Noah story) deemed to be “Semitic,” or “Shemitic.” Although Akkadian, with its high level of Sumerian vocabulary influence, is the earliest written example of these Semitic languages, other examples are biblical Hebrew, Elamite, Arabic, and Aramaic. Other ancient languages used in the creation of religious texts, such as Hurrian, Persian, or Sanskrit were (by grammatical structure and vocabulary) deemed members of the “Indo-Aryan” family. Certain languages in the so-called “Afro-Asiatic” family like ancient Egyptian, for example, also share particular characteristics, and certain vocabulary elements, with western Semitic tongues such as Ugaritic (NW Syria), biblical Hebrew, or Aramaic (of the Aramaean peoples).

I do know one thing for certain, and that is, aside from Budapest’s own Theodor Herzl, “Father of the Zionist Movement,” most of the founders, leaders, and members of the militant “Hebrew underground” (Betar, IZL, LeHI), as well as the more “above-ground” Haganah and Jewish Agency in Palestine—who were all fighting to drive the “Foreign Occupiers” (both British and Arab) from “Their Homeland,”—were either from the Ukraine or Poland, which means that they were of probable (99.99%) Khazarian descent (see: Georgia area), and thus were most likely “Turko-Caucasian,” rather than so-called “Semitic” in the strict Middle Eastern genealogical or linguistic sense. In the Georgian language, ‘ashvili’ has the same meaning as ‘ovitch’ in Yiddish – “son of.” The Georgian minister Kezerashvili (Kezer-ashvili), who speaks fluent Hebrew, bears a surname meaning “son of the Kezer,” showing a Kuzari, or Khazarian and Jewish ancestry.

I also do know that the “Great Spirit” is not in the business of doing contractual real estate deals with ANY tribal confederations on this planet (or on any planet, and/or atomic particle within Infinite EXISTENCE), and therefore the “we are the One True God’s super-chosen tribal confederation, and he gave us this particular chunk of real estate in the Middle East forever and forever” jazz is a COMPLETE FAIRYTALE (125%), and in the age of Nookular-Bio Weapons and drugged out, speed-freak homicidal mercenaries, it is probably just about time to call a Fairytale a Fairytale, and cut all the FKN crap for just this once.

The modern-day adherent or devotee of Judaism (whether “Ashkenazim” or “Sephardim”) has actually (in empirical real world reality) ZERO, as in NO, actual INHERENT DIVINELY MANDATED RIGHT, with regards to Palestine, to be given special settlement rights in, ownership or control of, or the 100% imaginary god-given right to ethnically cleanse, build nukes with stolen U.S. uranium to protect, or any of the other things that have been going on since the Brits got completely duped into, and duplicitously signed (under the pressures of WWI), the Balfour Declaration. Zionism is completely based upon Mythology, not History, or Reality. This is an important historical and human rights point that needs to be emphasized right now, because the edge of the cliff, you know the one, with the 500 ft. drop, is getting mighty close, and the fairytales and bullshit Kabala sorcery tricks are wearing off and wearing oh so very thin. As it is for each and every one of us, it is now also the time for the little trouble-making state of Israel, with all its special, arrogant “privileges and international legal exemptions,” to start walking the “Straight Path” to moral, spiritual, and global redemption. The old, “we get to do a Holocaust on the Palis ‘cause we wuz victims of one too a long time ago” shite ain’t flyin’ no mo’. The bullshit has been called out. The real history has been read and finally understood. It is time to stop the lying. “We know that you know that we know what’s goin’ on.” So how about it? Time to cut the crap, eh?

Personally I cannot wait for AE911truth.org to release their response to this report by the NIST. They said this will come out by Sept 15th.

The NIST request for a response from the public reads as:

NIST welcomes comments on the draft report and recommendations-available online at http://wtc.nist.gov-received by noon Eastern Daylight Time on Sept.15, 2008. Comments may be submitted via:
. e-mail to wtc@nist.gov;
. fax to (301) 869-6275; or
. surface mail to WTC Technical Information Repository, Attn: Stephen Cauffman, NIST, 100 Bureau Dr., Stop 8611, Gaithersburg, Md. 20899-8610.

And light switch chicanery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v90RioFSB4M

UPDATED: Video of the webcast from NIST
Submitted by dicktater on Fri, 2008-08-22 13:10.
Full video of webcast now available. 112MB .FLV

http://agenda911.dk/article.php?story=nistaug2008

http://agenda911.dk/upgeek/nist/nist.flv

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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)