2 Live News Conferences on Collapse of WTC7

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NIST Presentation and AE911Truth Press Conference

Thursday, August 21st

Richard Gage-WTC7-NIST

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NO LIES RADIO To Carry Both Live News Conferences on Collapse of WTC7 - Building 7

8am Pacific - 11am Eastern - 15:00 GMT -- N.I.ST News Conference - Final Report on Building 7

9am Pacific - 12 noon Eastern - 16:00 GMT --- AE911Truth.org News Conference - Response showing flaws in the N.I.S.T report

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Repeat Broadcast for both news conferences Saturday, August 23rd --- 11am Pacific - 2pm Eastern - 18:00 GMT

Both will be archived at NoLiesRadio.com after the broadcasts.


Richard GageWTC7NIST
Both News Conferences will be broadcast Live On NoLiesRadio.com


NIST News Release:


NIST to Release Report and Recommendations from Investigation of World Trade Center Building 7
*** Agency Will Hold Public Webcast on August 21 ***

Gaithersburg, Md. -- The Commerce Department's National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) will hold a media briefing and live public webcast on Aug. 21, 2008, in Gaithersburg, Md., on the findings and recommendations from its building and fire safety investigation of the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7). WTC 7 was a 47-story building that fell nearly seven hours after the World Trade Center (WTC) towers collapsed following the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

The NIST WTC 7 report will present the probable collapse sequence for the building and will provide recommendations for improving building and fire safety in other buildings similar to WTC 7. The draft WTC 7 investigation report released at the briefing will be open for public comment through noon Eastern Daylight Time on Sept. 15, 2008.

Shyam Sunder, director of the NIST Building and Fire Research Laboratory and lead investigator for the federal building and fire safety investigation of the World Trade Center disaster, will present the report and answer questions from reporters at the briefing.

You can listen on NoLiesRadio.com or you may view the briefing through a live webcast that will be accessible from NIST's WTC Web site at http://wtc.nist.gov. Webcast beginning at 8am PDT / 11am EDT.

AE911Truth.org News Release:

AE911Truth.org Press Conference

Thursday 8/21/08 9am PDT / 12noon EDT...

Critical Response to NIST Final Report
on the Mysterious Collapse of WTC Building 7

Join the 430 Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth for an important live (audio) Press Conference. The subject is the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 which was a 47 story steel-framed fire-proofed high-rise - the 3rd tower to fall straight down symmetrically at nearly free-fall speed on 9/11/01 with numerous reports of explosions and several tons of molten metal found in the basement carrying the thermite fingerprint.

The AE911Truth.org tele-conference will follow immediately after the NIST (National Institute for Standards & Technology) slide presentation and Q&A of their WTC 7 Final Report which will be Webcast beginning at 8am PDT / 11am EDT. See the NIST webcast announcement & details here.

In our AE911Truth.org response we will be documenting major flaws in the NIST report as well as the most serious omissions such as the collapse features of WTC 7 and the scientific forensic evidence of its explosive controlled demolition.

We expect that we will be joined by Structural Engineers Kamal Obeid, SE; Richard Gage, AIA, as well as additional scientists and 9/11 researchers.

You may also listen live to both press conferences at NoLiesRadio.com and possibly at WBAI Radio – NY. Or you can join the Tele-Conference at:

Dial-in # for listeners is (712) 432-1001

and the access code is: 442-618-649#

Call in at 9am PDT/12noon EDT

(Note that you will not be able to speak during the call)

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dicktater's picture

But first, what we didn't find.

No evidence of explosives.

Aw shit. Oh well. Change that teevee back to them NASCAR reruns Mama and git me uh beer.

Be sure to watch the archive video of that goofball Sunder. Watch it live here:

http://event.on24.com/r.htm?e=117359&s=1&k=17480F564B916A0A9CA3CFB3EE5BD...

--
"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)

dicktater's picture

NIST WTC 7 Investigation Finds Building Fires Caused Collapse

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/wtc082108.html

NIST WTC 7 Investigation Finds Building Fires Caused Collapse
Report and Recommendations for Improving Building Safety Released for Comment

August 21, 2008

CONTACT: Ben Stein, NIST
(301) 975-3097
ben.stein@nist.gov

Michael Newman , NIST
(301) 975-3025
mnewman@nist.gov

GAITHERSBURG, Md.—The fall of the 47-story World Trade Center building 7 (WTC 7) in New York City late in the afternoon of Sept. 11, 2001, was primarily due to fires, the Commerce Department’s National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) announced today following an extensive, three-year scientific and technical building and fire safety investigation. This was the first known instance of fire causing the total collapse of a tall building, the agency stated as it released for public comment its WTC investigation report and 13 recommendations for improving building and fire safety.

“Our study found that the fires in WTC 7, which were uncontrolled but otherwise similar to fires experienced in other tall buildings, caused an extraordinary event,” said NIST WTC Lead Investigator Shyam Sunder. “Heating of floor beams and girders caused a critical support column to fail, initiating a fire-induced progressive collapse that brought the building down.”

“Video and photographic evidence combined with detailed computer simulations show that neither explosives nor fuel oil fires played a role in the collapse of WTC 7,” Sunder said. The NIST investigation team also determined that other elements of the building’s construction—namely trusses, girders and cantilever overhangs that were used to transfer loads from the building superstructure to the columns of the electric substation (over which WTC 7 was constructed) and foundation below—did not play a significant role in the collapse.

According to the report, a key factor leading to the eventual collapse of WTC 7 was thermal expansion of long-span floor systems at temperatures “hundreds of degrees below those typically considered in current practice for fire resistance ratings." WTC 7 used a structural system design in widespread use.

Citing its one new recommendation (the other 12 are reiterated from the previously completed investigation of the World Trade Center towers, WTC 1 and 2), the NIST investigation team said that “while the partial or total collapse of a tall building due to fires is a rare event, we strongly urge building owners, operators and designers to evaluate buildings to ensure the adequate fire performance of the structural system. Of particular concern are the effects of thermal expansion in buildings with one or more of the following features: long-span floor systems, connections not designed for thermal effects, asymmetric floor framing and/or composite floor systems.” Engineers, the team said, should be able to design cost-effective fixes to address any areas of concern identified by such evaluations.

The investigators also reported that if the city water main had not been cut by the collapse of World Trade Center towers 1 and 2 (WTC 1 and WTC 2), operating sprinklers in WTC 7 would likely have prevented its collapse. “Nevertheless,” Sunder said, “we recommend that building standards and codes be strengthened beyond their current intent to achieve life safety by preventing structural collapse even during severe fires like this one, when sprinklers do not function, do not exist or are overwhelmed by fire.”

Sunder identified several existing, emerging or even anticipated capabilities that could have helped prevent WTC 7’s collapse. He cautioned that the degree to which these capabilities improve performance remains to be evaluated. Possible options for developing cost-effective fixes include:

  • More robust connections and framing systems to better resist effects of thermal expansion on the structural system.

  • Structural systems expressly designed to prevent progressive collapse, which is the spread of local damage from a single initiating event, from element to element, eventually resulting in the collapse of an entire structure or a disproportionately large part of it. Current model building codes do not require that buildings be designed to resist progressive collapse.

  • Better thermal insulation (i.e., reduced conductivity and/or increased thickness) to limit heating of structural steel and to minimize both thermal expansion and weakening effects. Insulation has been used to protect steel strength, but it could be used to maintain a lower temperature in the steel framing to limit thermal expansion.

  • Improved compartmentation in tenant areas to limit the spread of fires.

  • Thermally resistant window assemblies to limit breakage, reduce air supply and retard fire growth.

The 12 recommendations reiterated from the WTC towers investigation address several areas, including specific improvements to building standards, codes and practices; changes to, or the establishment of, evacuation and emergency response procedures; and research and other appropriate actions needed to help prevent future building failures.

Determining the probable collapse sequence for WTC 7, NIST found that the impact of debris from the collapse of WTC 1 ignited fires on at least 10 floors of WTC 7, and the fires burned out of control on six lower floors. The heat from these uncontrolled fires caused thermal expansion of the steel beams on the lower floors of the east side of WTC 7, damaging the floor framing on multiple floors. Eventually, a girder on Floor 13 lost its connection to a critical interior column that provided support for the long floor spans on the east side of the building. The displaced girder and other local fire-induced damage caused Floor 13 to collapse, beginning a cascade of floor failures down to the fifth floor. Many of these floors had already been at least partially weakened by the fires in the vicinity of the critical column. This collapse of floors left the critical column unsupported over nine stories.

“When this critical column buckled due to lack of floor supports, it was the first domino in the chain,” Sunder explained. “What followed in rapid succession was a progression of structural failures. Failure first occurred all the way to the roof line—involving all three interior columns on the most eastern side of the building. Then, progressing from east to west across WTC 7, all of the columns in the core of the building failed. Finally, the entire façade collapsed.”

drawing showing locations of columns of typical WTC 7 floor

Diagram 1—Typical WTC 7 floor showing locations of columns (numbered). The buckling of Column 79 was the initiating event that led to the collapse of WTC 7. The buckling resulted from fire-induced damage to floors around Column 79, failure of the girder between Columns 44 and 79, and cascading floor failures. [Download high-res version]

The investigation team considered the possibility of other factors playing a role in the collapse of WTC 7, including the possible use of explosives, fires fed by the fuel supply tanks in and under the building, and damage from the falling debris of WTC 1.

The team said that the smallest blast event capable of crippling the critical column would have produced a “sound level of 130 to 140 decibels at a distance of half a mile,” yet no noise this loud was reported by witnesses or recorded on videos.

As for fuel fires, the team found that they could not have been sustained long enough, could not have generated sufficient heat to fail a critical column, and/or would have produced “large amounts of visible smoke” from Floors 5 and 6, which was not observed.

Finally, the report notes that “while debris impact from the collapse of WTC 1 initiated fires in WTC 7, the resulting structural damage had little effect in causing the collapse of WTC 7.”

The investigation team found that the design of WTC 7 was generally consistent with the New York City building code in effect at the time. The estimated 4,000 occupants of WTC 7 on the morning of Sept. 11 were evacuated without any fatalities or serious injuries.

To reach the conclusions in its report, NIST complemented its in-house expertise with private-sector technical experts; accumulated an extensive collection of documents, photographs and videos related to the WTC events of 9/11; conducted first-person interviews of WTC 7 occupants and emergency responders; analyzed the evacuation and emergency response operations in and around WTC 7; and performed the most complex computer simulations ever conducted to model a building’s response behavior and determine its collapse sequence due to a combination of debris impact damage, fires and a progression of structural failures from local fire-induced damage to collapse initiation, and, ultimately, to global collapse.

NIST welcomes comments on the draft report and recommendations—available online at http://wtc.nist.gov—received by noon Eastern Daylight Time on Sept.15, 2008. Comments (instructions for submission are available at http://wtc.nist.gov) may be submitted via:

  • e-mail to wtc@nist.gov;
  • fax to (301) 869-6275; or
  • surface mail to WTC Technical Information Repository, Attn: Stephen Cauffman, NIST, 100 Bureau Dr., Stop 8611, Gaithersburg, Md. 20899-8610.

The NIST investigation of WTC 7 was conducted under the National Construction Safety Team (NCST) Act, as part of its overall building and fire safety investigation of the World Trade Center disaster. The act gives NIST the responsibility for conducting fact-finding investigations of building failures that resulted in substantial loss of life or that posed significant potential of substantial loss of life. NIST has no regulatory authority under the NCST Act.

As an agency of the U.S. Department of Commerce, NIST promotes U.S. innovation and industrial competitiveness by advancing measurement science, standards and technology in ways that enhance economic security and improve our quality of life.

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Created:
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Last updated: 08/21/2008
Contact: inquiries@nist.gov

--
"But truthfully, I [still] don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)

casseia's picture

Well, at least there was no "mystery gash"

involvement... they pretty much scrapped Larry's North Tower antenna offering...

dicktater's picture

Briefing Visual Aids

http://event.on24.com/event/11/73/59/rt/1/documents/slidepdf/wtc_7_news_...

--
"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)

Chris's picture

WTC7 poll

you can always count on AOL to shill for the feds:

 Feds Say They've Solved 9/11 Mystery

http://news.aol.com/article/feds-say-theyve-solved-911-mystery/143502?icid=100214839x1208147293x1200441530

gretavo's picture

awesome poll C, thanks for posting

So many replies! And of course you have to factor out the Megaphone software users around the world!

Do you believe that fire brought down WTC7?

44% YES
42% NO
14% Not sure

Total 176,487

gretavo's picture

35,000 Megaphone users

Of which I would estimate half have already voted, means subtract 17,500 votes or so from YES...

Chris's picture

not to mention its an AOL

not to mention its an AOL poll. the majority of AOL polls are almost always wrong. the number that think it wasnt fire is much higher than i would expect.(reading the comments section on AOL political/news stories is pretty depressing. and so is that site you linked to,haha)

gretavo's picture

someone should install it...

any brave guinea pigs out there want to install GIYUS's megaphone and report on what stories and surveys they direct their minions to?

Chris's picture

i would install it if my

i would install it if my comp wasnt so shitty and old and i wasnt so lazy and cheap. i wonder if they monitor members comments to make sure they stick to the talking points? very creepy site....

juandelacruz's picture

I will try it out to see if

I will try it out to see if they ever put 9-11/WTC as a target topic.

casseia's picture

holy crap... I installed the GIYUS Firefox plug-in

(Which was pain-free and superfast, btw), left the computer for the afternoon, came home and bam! As soon as I started the browser I was given my first task -- to go rate this bullshit anti-Gaza youtube vid 5 out of 5 stars. It's creepy.

Chris's picture

i hope you left a nice

i hope you left a nice comment on the video :-)

casseia's picture

I left a link to this video from the SS Free Gaza

which has left Cyprus and is en route to Gaza at last:

http://p373.net/freegaza_20080822.1.mov

gretavo's picture

nice work!

i imagine they could catch onto such use, so the best thing might be to simply post the links here to whatever they are trying to influence, that way they can't link any "user" to the opposing posts...

Chris's picture

interesting Mazza article

A new 9/11 clue

Recently, an email drifted in about an article I wrote, What were the Mossad with fraudulent New Zealand Passports doing in Iraq?

The writer said, “I’ve known about this for some time — that the Mossad was involved in murdering our troops in a variety of methods to keep them there so we could ‘finish’ the job by destroying Syria and Iran. For years now I’ve suspected and now know for sure the Mossad had a lot to do with the 9/11 attack on the WTC. The attached mp3 is a recording of NYPD radio transmissions on 9/11. Listen from the 3-minute mark almost to the end. This was never reported in the media.”

 http://www.prisonplanet.com/a-new-911-clue.html

dicktater's picture

More on Mazza article

I saw Mazza's article here:

A new 9/11 clue
By Jerry Mazza
Online Journal Associate Editor
Aug 27, 2008, 00:21
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_3672.shtml

Mazza is quoting here from a post by Culhavoc (see below):

"The recording is titled, "The WTC-10-5-the-message-about-the-remote-controlled-plane." In the mélange of scratchy voices bumping each other off and on, around minute three, the words “remote controlled-plane” bump through clearly, are interrupted, and finally assert quite clearly again that "there’s a big truck on King Street with the mural of an airplane painted on it diving into New York City and exploding." It was later noted "King Street between 6th and 7th Avenues," about a mile north of WTC, which was in direct line of sight from King St. and 6th Avenue."

Deconstructing a False-Flag Operation
"10-5 the message about the remote controlled plane!"
July 1st, 2005
by Culhavoc
http://culhavoc.blogsome.com/2005/07/01/10-5-the-message-about-the-remot...

Culhavoc has a transcript and mp3 of the audio:

"I’ve posted the cleaned up version of the audio here (see below). Anyone wishing to obtain the original for research/archive purposes, feel free to contact me: culhavoc@yahoo.com"

http://we-dont.gotdns.org/~culhavoc/audio/9-11-radioscanner-bombsuspects...

I believe that this is the same recording on a youtube video using google earth to map the calls:

RARE 9/11 FDNY RECORDING - REPORT OF REMOTE CONTROLLED PLANE
March 30, 2007


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_fg7eashn0

Some recent comments on the video/audio:
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If you are referring to the Radio Logging Recorders these are REAL transmissions and I obtained them on CD ROM weeks after and through other first responders. I've worked as a dispatcher in Ontario Canada and even I received these files certified by FDNY. It's the TRUTH so all you skeptics stand down!!! Give it up and face the FACTS!!!
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"Give it up and face the FACTS!!!"

Face what facts? That the bushCo kabal obstructed justice because they are intimately involved?
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I'm not arguing that, I'm saying to all the skeptics who don't understand what really happened that day to give up the skepticism and face the FACTS... FACTS are events or occurances which HAVE taken place and are not just THEORIES or UNACTED PLANS... I'm sayin face it happened. And this is credible evidence.
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FDNY Communications Attn: Media Relations ?

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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)