Ahmadinejad Doesn't Seem to Understand 9/11 Truth Very Well...

gretavo's picture

Check out the latest being blathered about by the mainstream press in an attempt to associate 9/11 truth with "things people don't like".  The ridiculous thing is that Ahmadinejad doesn't seem to have much of a grasp on what the issues really are.  He says "A building collapsed killing 3000 people and their names were never published."  WTF is he talking about?  I know that the press has a weird way of misquoting him but still...

Ahmadinejad again casts doubt over 9/11 attacks - GulfNews

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The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments.

 

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dicktater's picture

Ahmadinejad needs to get a life...

... before General Betrayus gets a bug up his butt and just forget about all this crazy 9/11 conspiracy theory stuff.

Here's just one example from the myriad of real issues that real people are facing every day.


kate of the kiosk's picture

Ahmadinejad also quoted as saying..

"...and it should not be turned into another Holocaust and "be used for slaughtering people."

 where does this stuff originate anyway?

 

gretavo's picture

but.. but.. doesn't he DENY the holocaust happened?

If Ahmadinejad said tomorrow that chicken tasted good I bet Perdue and Tyson would go out of business within the month...

Anyone remember this?

I still need to watch that video you posted Kate... does it show the Iranian Jewish folk wearing their special patches?

For those who might mistakenly take this seriously, these stories were confirmed to be a hoax about a week later on page Z-98, in very fine print that smudged as soon as you opened the paper...

gretavo's picture

btw I think that's Axel Rose and Tommy Hilfiger

brawling... who'd a thunk they frequented the same clubs, eh...?!

juandelacruz's picture

Hugo Chavez is spoke about

Hugo Chavez spoke about 9-11 as well.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13401534/

I hope hope Spain's Zapatero goes public with his take on 9-11 as well. William Rodriguez has been speaking to him.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/15010

Flawed as their views are, I think it is still a contribution in general if world leaders will attack the official 9-11 myth. None of them claim to know everything, if anything, they have been very reserved in their comments to the public.

gretavo's picture

well, my problem is that...

Just as the American fake left is only interested in using 9/11 to make Bush look bad, the global left may well be happy more or less blaming America for 9/11, as the LIHOP fake truther brigade also seems to want. After all, unless you're American, who would *you* rather blame? The puppet you hate, or the puppetmaster you fear?

Annoymouse's picture

I am not sure how strong the

I am not sure how strong the Zionists are outside the US and Europe. They are plenty strong I guess but perhaps only to the elite which they have ties to. In general, I do not think there will be much sympathy for the Zionists in much of Asia if they can be exposed as part of the 9-11 mass murder.

US citizens should take the lead in exposing the Zionist hand in the conspiracy. You are correct that most outside may be content to blame everything on Bush and the neocons, but this is borne out of ignorance of outsiders on who the real perps are rather than due to a fear of a puppet master. If US citizens wont blame the Zionists, outsiders would have little incentive to research and unearth their complicity.

gretavo's picture

ok, but...

let's choose our words carefully. it's not so much about blaming "the Zionists" as it is about exposing the role that political Zionism may have played in 9/11 and also historically.

It also needs to be stressed that Zionism itself is not easily defined. It seems that there has long been a difference between political Zionism and non-political Zionism. For example, ensuring that Palestine be a welcoming home for Jews who wish for spiritual reasons to make it their home, as many did before political Zionism emerged and was co-opted by "the dark side" is a kind of Zionism that I can feel good about.

Political Zionism from what I can tell was a movement by a bunch of schemers in league with the rich and powerful to use Jewish identity and history in a hostile takeover of a strategically important land from which to wield political power and flex military muscles in the interest of raw power and wealth. The cause attracted honest folk of course, but was dominated by gangsters in short order and today the state of Israel is indeed a gangster state/rogue nation with an international support group that stops at nothing to conceal its true nature.

Let's repeat to be very clear--Zionism is NOT about Judaism per se--it's about gangsterism, militarism, and deception in the pursuit of wealth and power by utterly irreligious individuals whose claim to Jewish identity be it religious or even ethnic is dubious.

This faction has been very successful historically at bullying many unwitting Jews into their protection racket, and liberating these folks involves assuring them that our quarrel is not with them as Jews--it is with those who have and continue to hurt them with lies. 9/11 was an attempt to foist this yoke of control by fear on the world, through America--a military behemoth whose population has been prepped for the takeover through the weakness and corruption of its elite classes which has stood by while the population has been steadily dumbed down and made to believe in a fantasy version of reality.

In the end we must all realize not just who the players are, but more importantly how the game is played, to ensure that we are not all made losers by being divided, but instead achieve that which we know we all desire in our hearts, for humanity to live in relative peace and move forward together into a future where we finally begin living up to our potential as blessed living beings.

no-one special's picture

I agree with you fully gretavo

most Jews have been manipulated into the Zionist mindset.
They have no idea, what their leaders are up to.

It´s just hard for them to realize that they have been duped, because so much of Jewish identity is now invested into Israel.
But I think the blind support for Israel is slowly decreasing among Jewish people.

But I have one question? Who do you think is the puppet-master and who is the puppet?

P.S.:
Could you tell me, who the guy is, who is supposed to look like me after a surgical procedure?
I´m just a stupid European, I don´t know him.

Annoymouse's picture

ah yes, sorry...

it's Bill Maher, one of our favorite people EVER. :)

Puppets and puppet masters... hmmm... Wasn't it the black eyed peas who sang "If Bush is Pinnochio, who the hell is Gepetto?"

That is in fact the $2.3 trillion question no?

Some people say it's the Anglo-American Fabian Socialists in league with the Khazarian Zionist Bolshevists.

Not real Christians, not real Jews, but determined to rule the world from Jerusalem.

Suppose this were true, and I'm not entirely sure it is. The question remains--who is really in control? Or is the question better formulated as "what" is in control?

That "what" may well be a force that could be described as an emergent consequence of the combined machinations of those who understand it, and knowing it work with it, and working with it become consumed by it and lose their individual agency.

Sometimes I wonder...

larry horse's picture

someone get that picture a frame

glad to have you aboard the minnow. we're about to crash and make a tv show.
-gilligan

gretavo's picture

hey little buddy

i knew before clicking on it who wrote that comment.... but you're right it needs a frame, and for that matter I've been meaning to fix yours, and now i have an idear...

Annoymouse's picture

i'm thrilled

with the new look. thank you, skipper jonas grumby.
-horse

Annoymouse's picture

it'll be better

i saved it as a jpeg by mistake.. will save it as a gif which will make it crisp...

kate of the kiosk's picture

the puppet you hate

for Ahmadinejad,  would be the Bush Admin, and the puppetmaster you fear would be the isreali ...handlers?...

Lazlo Toth's picture

Hello and welcome No-one, and Hello All,

The doors of the academic ivory towers and their internal microcosmic intensities have pretty much closed for the season, and my time has now, unfortunately for the ‘evildoers’, been freed up once again for re-entry into the world of humanitarian, volunteer political-historical research and writing.

Last night, I dug out the notebook of work already done for the next installment of my WTCD web-book, and rejoined the research storyline. Oh joy! We’re once again back on the streets of early 1930s Jerusalem, outside the murder trial of the Zionist underground leaders of the League of Sicarii, arrested for the assassination of Hayyim Arlosoroff, head of the Jewish Agency’s political department, who ‘the League’ accused of signing a deal with the Nazis to guarantee the civil and political rights of Jews in Germany. His actions were, of course, very bad for the Zionist movement, because they needed Jewish persecution to erupt in Europe to encourage with gusto the aliya or mass “ingathering” to Palestine so as to lower the 5 to 1 Arab majority imbalance in the demographics. It’s all about numbers. It’s all about bodies, bucks, and boots on the ground.

Oh yay, once again I can hear the voice of David Ben-Gurion in the 1933 March, April issues of Davar and Ha-Medina calling the leader of the Zionist Revisionist movement Vladimir Ze’ev Jabotinsky, “Vladimir Hitler,” and calling all of his supporters and followers, “Hitler’s deputies amongst the Jews.” Of course, Ben-Gurion, as we now know from his declassified “War Diaries,” had no real problem whatsoever with forced, massive expulsions of Palestinians and the seizure of their lands, houses, possessions, and bank accounts during the 1948-49 “War of Independence.” We are back once again with the militant, Polish Betar Zionist youth groups, the bank robberies, the blowing up of railways, large hotels, post offices, police stations (they love blowing shit up, cf. “9/11,” “7/7,” Bali, etc.), kidnappings and hangings of British soldiers, slitting the throats of British paratroopers in their barracks at night, assassinations of British and Arab diplomats and UN ambassadors and human rights investigators. Oh joy! It’s so great to be back inside the naked horrors of true modern history. Everyone always talks about the Nazi Jungengruppe, which the current Pope once belonged to, but no one ever talks about Vladimir Jabotinsky’s Betar youth groups, two members of whom were responsible for the assassination of the German ambassador in Paris that conveniently ignited the Kristallnacht; and two other members, Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir, became “Wanted Terrorists” as leaders of the Irgun and LeHI, and were later to become Israeli Primal Ministers.

Anyways, I’m back at work, thought I would let you know, and I will let you all know in advance, as if y’all didn’t know already, that understanding the history and, more importantly, the mental constructs and ideological psychology of the right-wing, militant Zionist underground of the 1930s and 1940s is, as we shall see, absolutely essential to understanding the 9/11 operation, the War on Terror hoax, and all the modern events that are about to transpire before our eyes.

And Gretavo, you are completely right on the money (as ever) when you mention the problem with the very general term “the Zionists.” As a kind of weird, related zeitgeistisch thing, I sat back down last night, deadline and schedule-free at last, at my WTCD 9/11 research desk, put on my U.S.S. Liberty “We Will Not Forget” cap, and immediately began encountering, again, all the historically bizarre divisions within the “Zionist movement,” and in an almost bizzaro, Monty Python kind of way, I am actually encountering within the “maximalist” Revisionist movement of Zionism—the hard-core, “let’s go kill all the British and Arabs” wing—both a ‘moderate’ and an ‘extremist’ wing amongst a group who were considered, at the time, by the Labour Zionist Ben-Gurion crowd as completely beyond the pale. As an example, within the militant “maximalist” wing (btw the folks who now be in charge of Israel and our nuke codes) there was Begin’s Irgun Zvai Le’umi (IZL) who would be OK with blowing a train off its tracks and looting, but would certainly not go beyond the bounds of “moral decency,” like Shamir’s Le’umi Herut Israel group (LeHI) – “those splitters” – who would then shoot out the eyeballs of the train’s British passengers just for fun and revenge. From this far right-wing, militant edge of the Zionist spectrum (i.e. from the folks who brought you 9/11) you go all the way to the other edge of the so-called “Zionist spectrum” to the nice little Jewish lady who lives down the street from me and always says, “Honey, if the Nazis come back, all we have is Israel to protect us.” And this, of course, is quite sad, for history shows that the leadership of the Zionist movement, headquartered at the time out of Geneva, not Jerusalem, was behind the provocation to goad Hitler into rounding up the Jewish community for ‘Political Sedition’ against the state. Vladimir Jabotinsky, the founder of the Polish Betar Zionist youth militia, and ideological figurehead for the militant Irgun and LeHI guerilla groups, was one of the recognized prime movers behind the 1933 declaration of war and global economic boycott by “Judaea” against Germany. Imagine yourself (for one moment) as the leader of Germany whose country was only recently economically screwed into eternity by the British and the Chaim Weizmann war reparations gang at the Versaille Peace Talks of 1919, and then imagine yourself sitting down to breakfast one morning in the spring of 1933 to read in European headlines that this same crowd had just declared Open War against your country, accompanied by a threatened global economic boycott which would prevent you from honoring the excessive war reparations payments imposed upon you, which would, of course, throw your entire country into the “For Sale” bin at the global investment farmer’s market down by the beach. To round up real people as seditious elements within the social fabric, or not, then becomes a major socio-political consideration for such a leader, and one which certain pro-Jewish emigration organizations would, of course, want you to choose in the most emotionally, rational, nationalistic, patriotic kinda way – “Round them mahfahkaz up and deport ‘em all!” Hitler was a “deport” kinda guy (cf. his Madagascar Plan), and Heinrich Himmler was an “exterminate” kinda guy. So you see, even in Nazism there was a spectrum of extremes within an extremist group, and let that be a lesson to all of you young folks out there applying to law school in the Fall.

I can feel the global mood of empathy, prayer, and moral disgust out there now, and I’m not gettin’ all new-agey on ya, but there is a global Zeitgeist awareness of al-Nakbahappening. Only 29 sad days now until the 60th anniversary of al-Nakba, the establishment of the anti-Semitic terror-state of Israel, a militant, racist experiment in myth-based colonialism based on false-flag terrorism and extortion.

I send out a belated Hello to “No-one who is actually special.” As I have been able to tune back in here just lately, I have greatly appreciated your writing and measured understanding of these horrible and shocking things, so difficult and absolutely unpleasant to process, no doubt about it. I appreciate your spirituality as well, as I do the spirituality and good consciousness of all the folks out there and here. There is a verse in the Qur’an which says that Al-Lah (‘The God’; the same in ancient Egyptian paa netcher ‘The God’) looks to whether or not you (as a player in this life) pay attention to the greater things above yourself and your own worldly perception, and whether you are concerned with compassion and the profounder meanings of existence beyond yourself. The ritualistic details and outward appearances of your path of approach are not what is considered, it is your heart and your intentions. Even atheists seek the Truth. Buddha was an atheist, but Buddha understood the same Great Spirit that all who tune in come to know is the Real. “A-theist,” aside from its usual nihilistic associations, can also mean that you don’t think the GOD-concept, the metaphysical Ground of Reality, or the Numinous is an “anthropomorphic personality.” You are thus a-theos. The notion of infinite Atman or Brahman in the Sanskrit Upanishads, which were an influence on Gautama the Buddha, does not conform to the notion of “a person,” and in this sense, although such a concept is “a-theistic,” or non-theos, there is still the belief in a “Great Spirit” which forms the ontological “Ground of Reality.” As such, Buddhism is considered a spiritual path with a strong sense of ethical behaviour. Anyway, that is my political-historical, spiritual rant for today. And as Jerzy Kozinski says, at the finale of his novel about life, “Being There,” echoing the old Egyptian conversation between a man and his soul, “Life is a passage.”

Pray with me in peace my dear and brave, heroic patriots, good spirits, comrades and global friends:

“We will not let you turn us into what you have become.”
—a Lebanese mother in Cana filmed on CNN holding her dead child in her arms after the 2006 Hillary Clinton-supported, Israeli carpet bombing of Lebanon.

Thanks all yooz guys and galz for your indomitable spirit, commitment and brilliance, and music. Now I have to catch up on all the new music and stuff here.

Ciao,

Lazlo T.

kate of the kiosk's picture

wa ow

 

just might risk reading t'morrow on internet radio, dear lazlo

gretavo's picture

Lazlomania about to take off...

Can ya diggit?

kate of the kiosk's picture

sorryyyy...

was waiting for a call-in, which never happened, and then had to reair something else, and...well, well i'm spinning and totally forgot until it was too late..too much on plate!

lol,k

lazlomania, yay!

maybe next week?

Lazlo Toth's picture

Uhh... Kate,

Perhaps I’m a bit slow here, but do have your own internet radio show? And if you do, that is frickin’ supa. A voice for real 9/11 truth on the air! I am feeling much better already, aside from the final end to the Lonnnggggg cold-ass winter and the arrival of gorgeous weather FINALLY. It’s all coming back to me now, the sky is actually a shade of blue and there’s this big giant fireball that keeps moving across it all day now.

All my best to you and the Fam.

gretavo's picture

And another yahoo chimes in...

Funny how this is so similar to Bibi's comments right after 9/11, that are so often quoted in the truth movement, eh?  Here's my guess (and yes, I could be wrong).  Realizing the danger of 9/11 Truth gaining strength, Mossad says "hmmm, how do we deal with this, since we can't hide it away? I know, why doesn't Bibi basically repeat the comment in a speech and we'll tip off the Iranian press, which will go all jew-hating with it, that way if people bring up the post-9/11 comment our folks can say 'Oh you mean those comments that the Iranians jumped on?  I see, you think like Ahmadinejad--I bet you think the holocaust never happened like he does!'  Also we can say how stupid it would be for him to point out the benefit to Israel if indeed Israel had a hand in it--you know, reverse psychology and all that..."

 

'9/11 attacks in favor of Israel'
Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:43:04

Likud chairman and opposition leader Benjamin Netanyahu

Israel's Likud chairman and opposition leader Benjamin Netanyahu says the September 11 terror attacks had been beneficial for Israel.

"We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq," former Israeli prime minister said.

He added that the events 'swung American public opinion in Israel's favor.' Netanyahu made the comments during a conference at Bar-Ilan University on the division of Al-Quds as part of a peace deal with Palestinians.

Scary Israeli's picture

how are you to finding this out?

Have you been talking the sweets with mall kiosk worker selling Dead Sea Mud beauty product?  Must explains your youthfull appearance Mr. Gretavo...

Lazlo Toth's picture

Ahmedinejad is a “newbie”

It just goes to show that you can be the head of a country with your own intelligence service, but when it comes to 9/11, it still takes a little personal research, study time, and a lot of mental and emotional work to be able to grasp and understand the whole shebang (and we are still working on it) and, most importantly, to be able to cogently explain it. That is why the media always loves finding some famous 9/11 truth “newbie,” sticking a mike in their face, and then making the public think that this guy or gal is a 9/11 expert, when they just, say three weeks ago, began to put a few pieces together. The media avoids people like Griffin and Gage like the plague. Ahmedinejad is now the new “not quite puttin’ it all together just yet” 9/11 truth “newbie” that they are using to show the public how these conspiracist people just have a lot of disconnected, nutty paranoid, anti-government ideas, and they are all hooked up with Ahmedinejad, the “New Hitler,” and fearless leader of “Our New Enemy” Iran, and thus we (9/11 truth and justice advocates) are all now enemies of the State, and potentially working for the global “Persian Menace.” If this sounds like something Hollowwood would make up, you might be on to something.