After Purge of ZIHOPPERS, True Faction Much More Friendly to ZIHOP
http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3127&start=30&postdays=0&po...
It's funny isn't it that after we all (I use the term loosely) got banned from truthaction (and previously from 911blogger) both sites seem to have become much more open to discussing Israeli involvement?
Mind you, there is still a latent tendency to put stock in things like "Israel warned the US of an imminent al Qaeda attack" as if al Qaeda actually did attack us, and some pretty generous speculation as to the innocence of the Dancing Israelis (as in "well sure they got caught doing something weird but that in itself doesn't mean anything") but reading a lot of the above linked thread I can't help but guess that the reason for banning certain people has a lot to do with the perception that we are loose cannons who, while usually right, may not be trusted by the controllers of the movement to play ball exactly how they want? Or could it be that they know that they can say whatever they need to *now* to give the illusion of being willing to consider Israeli involvement because they know they will just change their tune when it really matters?
Who knows. In any case, I'm glad that they seem altogether more willing to discuss this even if we had to force their hand as it were...
I would encourage people who are no longer welcome at TA to visit the thread above and just copy and paste anything interesting here for comment!
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Does anyone else find it sort of strange
that Danse can post complex, thoughtful, well-sourced posts as much as he does, and then, on the other hand, have a guest spot on cosmos' show in which he can hardly put a sentence together AND go on a drunken rampage of hateful, friend-alienating craziness here?
I do appreciate JDRM's willingness to smack Danse down for pushing his ZIHOP strawman ad infinitum.
from Adam1
"..I understand what motivates people to create far-fetched scenarios in which they can find some group somewhere else to blame for the massacre..."
why do some people always have to blame America first?!
He's not the sharpest knife in the drawer,
that's for sure. He's also extremely arrogant and hostile. It's a winning combination :)
For the record, I'm happy to blame Americans as much as anyone. There's plenty of fucked-uppedness to go around in this world.
Unlike the avatar
I simply cannot abide the manner of that geezer.
The TA forum has turned into a stage shared by the obnoxious, the obvious and the oblivious.
A big 'F*ck Yeah!' to the 11th of every month activism though (even if you cant post yours up).
i agree, cass - i have always tended to look first look within
for the log in me own eye before the splinter in somebody else's...
so which "some group not somewhere else"Â should we be lookin at, Â foh crize sake?!
just kate's attempt at bein witzy
of course, it's more divide and conquer BS
of course there is guilt to go around, that's not the point. the point is that the first victims of 9/11 were Americans, who are also being dumbed down and having their sovereignty eroded by the mass media and various foreign influences. anyone who pretends that we're trying to shift blame for some reason is pretty obviously part of the campaign to turn Americans against each other since it is we who have to come together to solve the 9/11 crimes and deal with the perps.
It reminds me of something I was meaning to post. A couple of nights ago a guy came up to me and quite exasperated, told me that I was wasting my time trying to prove that Bush did it. I ofcourse pointed to my new sign and said no, that's not what I'm trying to prove. He couldn't really let go of it, so he just continued and gave all the usual lines like building 7 collapsed from debris and fire, etc. Eventually he just walked off in a huff, and I naughtily asked as he walked off if he was perchance Indian, to which he replied that no, he was Iranian.
And it was then so clear to me that there is probably a group of Iranian exiles waiting for their turn to use the US military to "take back" their country, who are no doubt worried that 9/11 truth means the end of their scheme...
Have I told you all lately how sick I am of every elite ruling class jackass who thinks that Americans are all idiots just waiting to be told who to go kill next only to have the same people malign them for being warmongering idiots? And how so many of them seem to come to Harvard to enact their schemes?
you are so right...like Christiana Arampour
true people of justice need to strip themselves of these tribal alignments.
and didn't she do that shit piece of TV on "the hunt for Osama Bin Laden"??!!!
Crikey...
Check this out:
Quoting Adam "There's nothing debatable about the fact no jet fuel fire of size or shape could have caused the collapse of the Twin Towers. Jet fuel burns way, way too cool to damage steel."
Patently false statements do not help our case. This movement has suffered a credibility problem from day one.
Explanation of above photo: Madrid Windosr fire, steel turned into charred spaghetti. The only thing that prevented total collapse was the concrete core structure.
http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=13581#13581
I can't tell if JDRM is just being an asshole here and objecting to Adam's choice of words ("too cool to damage steel") or if the deal is that ZIHOP is now encouraged, but you must choose: either ZIHOP theory or Bush knocked down the towers (cue Immortal Technique -- I do like that song, though...) In other words, JDRM does bear a resemblance to Diane in being dismissive of activists he deems insufficiently discerning.
they're both wrong
the points about the fires that they omit are that they did not burn long enough ESPECIALLY given the "heat sink" effect where the steel would have conducted the heat throughout the structure such that the idea that any part of it could have been heated to the point of softening is simply put an impossibility. As in 0%. All that's missing is for Diane the New York Activist to claim that no one can possibly know anything at all without many more years of study of a bunch of different things, since "none of us" is an expert, and "we" will be laughed out of court as soon as Jim Meigs tells the jury that his magazine found the conspiracists claims to be without merit. Oh, and Michael Shermer to say that this is exactly how holocaust deniers and other terrorists try to confuse people for their hateful ends...
shermer
flew cross country to appear on donahue. "lickin' lips" shermer will go down as a poster child for blackmail (just a guess).
And what did Jim Meigs do before editing PM?
That's right. He was a fashion editor at Vogue magazine. He knows about as much science as my pet rock.
delusional greta?
"I'm glad that they seem altogether more willing to discuss this even if we had to force their hand as it were..."
searching their forum they've always been willing to discuss "Israeli involvement"
they're not willing to let people be assholes about it
whatever mouse
we know the score here. :)
No, they retain the exclusive right to be assholes
at their site.
I think for the sake of posterity it might be worthwhile to document "the score" for the sake of people who don't know, because it's just so patently outrageous -- the last outrage being the banning of Petros, purely on the basis of his association with me or this site or perhaps Col. Jenny's personal antipathy. YT's monster ego doesn't help.
Petros got banned?!?
That has got to be the last straw upon the camel's back right there. Unbelievable.
I know -- it beggars belief
that "one of them" would then come here and imply that WE are the assholes! I was cc'd on the following letter:
To: "YT" @ truthaction. org
Hello,
I've been a member of the Forum at
http://truthaction.org/forum/
since Oct. 2007, and have posted a small number of articles there,which received some favourable responses and commentary.
In the last few days I've been trying all day to log in so that I can post a new article, but the system won't let me in. It does not recognize my username nor my address. Can you please help me?
If I have been removed from the membership by some moderator's action I would appreciate to know why. As far as I know I have not offended anyone, did not disrupt anything, have not fueled any spats or struggles on this Forum, nor have I violated any editorial guidelines or codes of decency.
Looking forward to hearing from you,
Petros
Shall we take bets about whether any of them will reply to him?
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Sent the same e-mail to YT
I sent an e-mail just like this to YT myself. I was banned with no explanation, no reason or anything.
He didn't respond and I don't think he cares enough to comment.
When I was banned, my comments were deleted while responses were allowed to remain. Poof...in never happened...'like that'.
This is why I had been
This is why I had been pushing for a new type of peer-2-peer shared community forums. The idea still needs to be ironed out but the gist of it is decentralizing the control of forums. I'm happy this site exists and that I found it because some of you still posted at 911B. I spent enough time at that site to see the shit going down and characters like Jon Gold using the victims for cover. I still think the idea is a good one because this site itself could be taken down by the Feds, assaulted by denial of service from drone computers, etc. A decentralized P2P network would be a lot more difficult to stop. I like to try to plan ahead because the intel communities are not beneath knocking out sites like this one.
At any rate it's great to be back from Amsterdam. I got sick as a dog on the third day and spent most of my 8 total days in bed. I did get to talk to the owner of a wonderful Swarma restaurant about 9/11. He was very receptive about most of what I had to say about 9/11 and the state sponsored brainwashing/dumbing down of people in this country via the public education system (can't talk about this with my dad cuz his 40th year of teaching is coming up...=( ). The restaurant owner said people are fed up w/ the US government but not the US people (It's hard for me to fully believe that. I think he was being nice to me because honestly if the masses got their shit together they could effect a change in government behavior-and who knows possibly dismantle it...imagine...).
I also wanted to state here that you all should make sure you have your homes in order (food and water supplies and protection). If the powers that be decide to push disasters on us we need to be prepared for ourselves, and our families.
-Whitey