Dear WTCD community

Keenan's picture

Lately, I've been pondering the question, "how can we raise WTCD's positive image and influence within the 9/11 truth movement?" I, for one, as part of this blogging community, am willing to do some self-examination about the direction things have been going lately regarding our standing within the movement and recent "unpleasantness", which I doubt anybody here is very satisfied with, and to consider changing some of our tactics and strategies. I think that WTCD is a crucial beachhead of resistance not just for the cause of truth and enlightenment regarding some of the most important issues facing the world today, but also represents one of the few intelligent "full truth" sites within the controlled 9/11 truth movement as a whole that is really capable of giving the gatekeepers a run for their money, while at the same time being willing to admit that, as gretavo just said today, "W e ain't perfect here and WTCD", and "we make mistakes, we follow bogus leads, we believe in myths that some day we may well reject based on a reconsideration of the facts."

There are some very brilliant and conscious, good-hearted folks here who are capable of beating the most practiced gatekeepers in the game of logic and rhetoric hands down. So, I'm interested in looking at how we can build on our strengths and change or remove things that are holding us back and getting in the way of what we are trying to accomplish. The more people that are exposed to our quality writings and intelligent discourse, the more we can influence people who may have been duped by false arguments to re-consider their perceptions. The way we can accomplish this is #1) increasing the readership to this site, obviously, and #2) being able to post our writings on other sites. Also, I have been bringing more people to this site, particularly some of the folks I met at last weekend's media summit in Santa Cruz, and, to be honest, I'm a bit embarrassed about some of the content on this site and loss of focus of the last few weeks. I know we can do better, and I would like to seriously tap more of our powerful potential here and increase our level of professionalism.

I have some proposals that I think would help with both aspects of the above. In the last few months, I think we can all agree that for #1- increasing our readership - we haven't progressed anywhere close to our potential and the negative image problem has probably increased, especially with all the recent mudslinging between people at WTCD and people at TA. For #2 - being able to post to other sites - we've obviously had some significant setbacks with all the bannings of many of us WTCD members on other blogs in recent weeks.

Don't worry, I'm not going to, or will I ever, want to give up our basic "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth" principles or give in to "mainstream 9-11 gatekeeping pressures" to increase readership just for the sake of increasing readership. But, beyond that, I think there are some areas of improvement we can work on. For example, I would like to stop discussing dirty movement politics/petty personal conflicts in our a public forum, and to make use of private forums for such discussions. I think that many of us on this blog, myself included, have sort of felt at times like we were in our own little clubhouse and could joke around and say crude things about people without worrying about being heard by people outside the clubhouse. This really backfired in terms of people on TA "listening in" to our conversations on this blog, and then using it against some of us when we subsequently posted on TA. I think we have to understand that for many people at TA, especially at a time when many of us were posting at both sites, they considered our conversations here at WTCD as identical to us simply having a conversation on another thread at TA. I have no doubt that much of the bad blood and recent round of bannings against most of us on TA, had just as much or even more to do with what we were posting here at WTCD than anything we posted at TA.

I think that it might also be a good idea for us to try a different approach to exposing shills than making overly liberal use of the "you are a shill" nightstick. Not to give potential shills a break, or a free pass, but rather, to improve our own image and take the high road. To be more strategic, and ultimately, to beat the gatekeepers, etc., and expose their false arguments for more to see. I've already mentioned that I perceive that of all the accusations of shillery, troll, etc., that has been thrown around within the movement over the last few years, that 90% of the accusations are probably false, and most of the other 10% of those who really are shills, etc., probably can't be proven to be so with certainty. To take the high road on this matter would be to avoid making unproven allegations, while at the same time pointing out for other people what exact behavior and false arguments are being used, and then let other people decide for themselves what is going on.

In other words, no matter how much we may be convinced that a person is a shill or has dishonest motivations, we should stick to attacking the argument, not the person. I know I've been guilty of attacking the person many times (and have also been the victim of attack numerous times), but I'm willing to shift my tactics and try a different approach that I think will work better in the long run. To put it simply, I think it is more important for us to continue to be able to expose a much larger number of people to false arguments and shill-type behavior by not getting banned for calling out shills, than to be right about identifying someone as a shill. Let's remember that when the discourse stays within the logic and facts being debated, "our side" tends to win the arguments in most people's eyes, as evidenced by the positive votes we get on places like 9/11 Blogger - when we were still able to blog there.

Of course we will continue to get attacked by people who will not play fair and won't take the high road, even if we do. But I still think that we can use a different approach, which will make us look better, than stooping to their level. We should immediately point out that we are being attacked, and then take the debate back to the exposing of false arguments and avoid getting personal.If hypocrisy and double standards are being utilized on certain cites, then in the long run other people (most of the honest ones, anyway) will come to see what is going on and come to realize that we have more credibility. I would even like to see if some of us can get unbanned at TA at some point in the future, possibly after some discussion with Cosmos or others about how to repair or resolve some past issues and to have some sort of mutually beneficial agreement between the two sites.

At this point, I would like to propose that we have a brainstorming thread to discuss some possible improvements and changes in strategies/approaches, and to think about "how can we raise WTCD's positive image and influence within the 9/11 truth movement?", if others are so desire. What do others think?

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Big_D's picture

This isn't a club house?

Fuck this! I'm taking my ball & going home! lol

Has anyone been called on their bullshit here that didn't deserve it?

I agree WTCD might allow too much free speech here & there, and RT has been accused of banning Shills a little too quickly, but the foundation is rock solid.

Someone once asked me if I knew what etiquette was, and I said yes, lying with a smile on your face.

Big_D's picture

LIHOP: Limited Hang-out Proponents.

Sound better / more accurate?

Just pointing out the other version of LIHOP the perps don't wanna discuss.

Great article, Keenan.

casseia's picture

Good points

but honestly, I couldn't give a fuck about what the people at truthaction think and/or what they've overheard here. My cynicism level had to go to eleven in order to process the crap that has gone on over there in the last few weeks.

That said, you do make good points. I think most of the bitching can go away (maybe gretavo can fix the 'private' function -- in any event, I've gotten most of it out of my system.) I think we should emphasize an activism strategy that is centered on individual visibility -- that is, of being "out" as advocates of 9/11 truth in our daily lives, rather than saving it up for a once a month action {which tends to involve working with groups -- and I don't know about you, but I'm close to burned out on working with so-called 9/11 activists other than my closest friends -- who are out of the country for the winter anyway :( }

gretavo's poll of the other day was very germane -- I think that letting more than a week go by between talking to strangers/acquaintances about skepticism of the OCT is too much. There should be ways to facilitate doing this regularly and making it easy and enjoyable.

dicktater's picture

private messaging

maybe gretavo can fix the 'private' function

Is that an addon module for Drupal that is not a part of the standard install? Just curious. This didn't exactly say:

http://drupal.org/handbook/modules/privatemsg

Ah. I see now where addons are available and that there is a newer version of this in development:

http://drupal.org/project/privatemsg

casseia's picture

Akshully,

There's a function that allows 'hall monitors' to post a blog that only other 'hall monitors' can see -- that's what I meant. A private msg function would be great, also.

BTW, dicktater, you're a hall monitor.

dicktater's picture

Am I on vigilant lookout for...

May I perform my monitor duties behind Curtain #2 with Carol Merrill.

kate of the kiosk's picture

hiding behind the computer

and not having to confront those with whom one choses to engage enables a less-than-"polite" manner of communication at times, as we all know; and i believe it would be beneficial to keep that always in the back of the brain.

i, for one, have to reign in my speaking before thinking MO.

a very insightful lady pastor once told a group of us who were trying to work together in committee (pastor-nominating) something to the effect of the folllowing: there are those who need to think in order to speak, andthere are those who need to speak in order to think!

At the same time, the serious nature of the subject matter which is the foundation of this site's blog is going to lead to disagreement, insult, fears and shocks at times, and we need to attempt to be exemplary in our handling of these situations when they arise.

For the most part, I believe that does happen here! 

Well, Keenan, a little self examination is always a good thing, quite admirable, actually, don't you think?

best to all, k 

 

gretavo's picture

the only problem

with wanting to be popular is that one is then tempted to compromise on the truth by downplaying things that are considered divisive, which of course plays into the well known shill tactic of decrying divisiveness selectively to exclude importnat voices for real truth.

that said, there's no harm in trying to do better--less spacetime devoted to internal politics of the personal kind, for example, would be a good rule of thumb. More efforts at coming up woth original angles and ideas and research on neglected aspects of 9/11 would be good.

In the end though this site is not going to accomplish nearly as much as each of us individually can just by going out every day with material to hand out to anyone who might benefit from it. Walking around with a 9/11 Truth Now sign stuck to your messenger bag, purse, etc. EVERY DAY is the way that we will force the issue into peoples' consciousness. It's that simple--we have to adopt the marketing mantra of repeat repeat repeat. It's really that simple...

casseia's picture

I had a couple of additional thoughts...

First of all, as unpleasant as it is to read about, we need to be clear that intra-movement politics are not exclusively a matter of gossip. I think the recent Truthaction purges were a concerted effort to marginalize the WTCD perspective -- and that's at least 50% of the reason I found them completely depressing, apart from my hurt feelings and pique at the unfairness being dished out.

Secondly, one of my main concerns in directing people to this site is the need to do preparation so that they aren't immediately turned off by a kneejerk reaction to what is easily and erroneously perceived as anti-Semitism. It's a simple matter of providing more of a cushioned landing for people here. I've deleted several anonymous comments recently that were pretty inflammatory -- and I think we need to be careful with anonymous posts carelessly depositing what can too easily be read as judaeophobia -- or what might actually BE judaeophobia. (And of course, we have the occasional problem with registered users such as GS.)

Anyway, in light of this, I'm going to ask you to think about your avatar again, Keenan. I know we had a good discussion about it when you started using it and it doesn't bother me anymore -- in large part because I'm familiar enough with your views to know you're not a Jew-hater. However, the close juxtaposition of the star of David and the swastika probably freaks people out. This is a matter of first impressions.

gretavo's picture

i'd be keen to hear his thoughts on that

it would be a shame if people saw the symbols and ran away without reading a single thing. if Keenan doesn't mind, of course...

Harley Guy's picture

i very nearly did myself

when i first chanced upon this place I was immediately turned off by the avatar of the user Keenan. I said--star of Davidson and swats-a-whatika? No way man thats wrong. but then i remembered my Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance that said when in doubt breathe exhaust. After a few hours of workin the Harley inside the garage it started to make sense, but then there were so many stars out THAT night that Harley Guy was out like a headlight! Do some avatars need something like an "artist's statement"? Not mandatory of course, just as a courtesy that is expected of those choosing to make bold statements?

gretavo's picture

question about the question...

"how can we raise WTCD's positive image and influence within the 9/11 truth movement?",

How is progress in this direction to be quantified? I ask because if it means being "allowed" to post at 911Blogger with a link to wtcdemo then it aint gonna happen because we're the ones being discriminated against unfairly. On the other hand if what we want is more traffic, which may or may not be a good thing from different perspectives, then that involves a whole different set of ideas...

in any case this has everything to do also with what we consider a sound overall strategy of truth publicizing.. what to promote, how to promote it, with what ends in mind...

gretavo's picture

oh, we had 3000 unique visitors last month...

to the blog...

casseia's picture

Yes, I'm inclined to say that

worrying about our stature in the Truth Movement is a dead end. It is some combination of controlled and infested with highly dysfunctional people and dysfunctional memes.

In terms of a community here, I'll take quality over quantity any day. I want a place where news and ideas can be collectively digested and hashed out, and where people will respectfully call each other on their shit when necessary.

Within the larger movement, I think we should position ourselves as the individual-action oriented "out for 9/11 truth wing" and distance ourselves from the showmanship of certain monthly actions and WAC-style blunt force truth squadding.

juandelacruz's picture

Hi G, There are two things

Hi G,

There are two things that I find very important in this site that is lacking in most others.

The first is the more complete and better researched narrative of the events of 9-11. I think we are all of strong opinions that the buildings were CD'd and that evidence points to particular parties. This is a more powerful message than just stating there are unanswered questions about the 9-11 OCT. I sort of consider this the core and enduring contribution of WTCD seeing that very few other websites want to go out on a limb on who did what. Much fewer websites still have so much of the evidence and history discussed cohesively to arrive at that narrative.

The second distinction of this site is the analysis of new information popping up in the wild related to 9-11. The dialogs on this site are the best BS detectors to weed out poor research and blatant disinfo. Users of this site have a richer paradigm by which to evaluate new information.

To spread the big picture to more people, we can post links to this site if allowed, or we can just post the best info from WTCD directly on other sites.

To have people pick up on the analysis of the latest 9-11 events, there is no substitute to having them come over and participate in the WTCD dialog.

Harley Guy's picture

warning you-know-what-stik

warning

you-know-what-stika ahead

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Keenan's picturehere is keenan's current avatar

 

One could read it quite appropriately I think in several ways, one is that Zionism as represented by the star of david has consumed, i.e. defeated its nemesis Nazism, i.e. institutionalized militant "anti-semitism" or better put (to some) Jew-hatred.

Of course that would seem to most be a particularly cold way to treat the subject, who surely must be irked by seeing the symbols in close proximity let alone entangled.

But what if it was a star of david shaped super hero ripping a living swastika to shreds?

Is it simply wrong to approach a topic such as this with anything but solemn reverence?

Harley Guy's picture

here's a thought--size matters

a smaller version of keenans avatar might be ok? or would that be perceived as SUBLIMINAL you know whatstikas? :)

 

Keenan's picture

 

or does that look even sketchier?

Harley Guy's picture

if we build it they will come

and if they dont then that just means more room for us

casseia's picture

I don't want Keenan to get

I don't want Keenan to get the impression that I'm asking him to change it.

Your (unusually nuanced for Harley Guy) reading is correct. My feeling is that people who will be turned off by it are not going to consider it at all, they're just going to have a gutlevel reaction --swastika, wham! star of David, wham! swastika and star of David together, wham wham wham!

I think just removing the swastika and leaving the other 3 flag images with the caption 'axis of evil' would convey the same message without the risk of kneejerkery.

Harley Guy's picture

if not us who? if not now when?

j'accuse, Casseia!

and your answer to

what if it was a star of david shaped super hero ripping a living swastika to shreds?

i think i saw that on the simpsons once--or was it family guy?

casseia's picture

I've never seen that...

and I watch the Simpsons but not Family Guy (I just hate that little baby)-- or was it on American Dad?

gretavo's picture

i was kidding

i mean i think he was kidding

Keenan's picture

I've been meaning to update my avatar...

I just didn't get around to it till now. I'm kind of board with that one anyhow. And, I agree. Even though most people here know my meaning behind it as representing the 3 states of the axis of evil and not implicating any religion that happens to use the same symbol of a nationalist flag that has usurped it, I agree that people could easily misinterperate my use of it in the graphic. How's this avatar?

dicktater's picture

Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii like it!

Where'd ya find it?

Keenan's picture

This was one of the graphics

This was one of the graphics used at the Truth Emergency 2008 website http://www.truthemergency.us/

kate of the kiosk's picture

this would be a great little

item on the home page of WTCDemo!!!

i, for one, did not really mind, after the initial wham!, your former avatar.  it was thought-provoking in its variably interpretable symbolism. 

dicktater's picture

Kinda like saying 'you are what you eat'?

Zionism as represented by the star of david has consumed, ... ...its nemesis Nazism

Kinda like saying 'you are what you eat'?