Responses to stuff at Truthaction

I know it's just a phase, but right now I feel inclined to write responses to some of the shit being posted over there. I'm sure some of it will be petty and vindictive -- consider yourself forewarned if you have a low tolerance for that.
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Beyond THe Pale
Wow, these people are heartless, ruthless, and relentless.
Check out this doozy from this COl. Jenny Sparks that was posted as a topic and then quickly removed....
To whom it may concern:
MOVE ON.
Continuing to personally attack people, say they have "handlers", cry "shill" at every turn--only makes YOU look like a prat. And if you're already having problems with your site's credibility, you're not helping yourselves out.
It will be very simple from an outside observer's standpoint--the party that is throwing around the most shite is probably the party what has the most problems.
Ask yourselves--how much do we talk about you lot once you left? That's right--hardly at all. We have lives and things to do--and we're doing them. Unless your actions become a serious threat to 911activism, you can trust you'll be ignored.
The interaction is over. If we are so horrible, you should be happy to be shot of us. Do yourselves a favor: act like adults and move on.
You could not be farther from the truth.
Truthaction.org is deleting discussions in a wanton display of brazen censorship.
You are preaching the irrational politics of division. There are not two factions...just one faction straightening out the kinks.
Your comments are insulting.
You beat me to it.
:(
building the movement on a platform of don't call out the shills
is about the stupidest idea i can think of at the moment. it's also contary to what the colonel is best known for--wasting time by engaging online nobodies claiming to believe in hologram planes, directed energy beams from space, or worst of all, the OCT. she is the model for the "militant wing" of the fake truth movement, be it intentionally or not. this means of course that she talks a big game but other than engaging in pointless back and forth with the likes of Nico bin Haupten is not accomplishing much. encourage people, especially younger folk, to exhibit such behavior and you have the makings of a sabotaged movement, much as happened with the antiwar movement.
i support and applaud your efforts to set the record straight cass, just remember that stuff like this is good to walk away from once you've made your peace. as necessary as it is to respond to "movement politics" which is increasingly reading like People, we know how important a job we have ahead of us so lets try to all learn from and rise above what we've been through!
like you said
"we know how important a job we have ahead of us so lets try to all learn from and rise above what we've been through!"
last night i deleted a comment i posted after about 20 minutes for similar reasons (although i'm sure a couple of you read it). anyway, let's direct our energies toward outing the psychopaths behind 9/11. that is what this is for, right?
I was dissapointed Larry.
To see you remove your comment. I thought the comment was perfectly fitting and the more voices outing this extremely insulting behavior the better.
I also think this was a glaring victory in exposing, at the least, an irrational fear that exists in many.
Danses actions were almost unforgivable considering how many people read his words and respect him. The ensuing 'it was the booze' excuse is reminiscent of a drunk apologizing to his battered wife.
I'm not sure if you guys noticed, but we were accused of beiing Jew Hating...Rabid Mouth Foaming Racist.
I do not take that lightly and this thing was executed perfectly IMO.
These turds had to jump through there shit and after Danse, in a drunken stooper, threatened to expose them all as frauds.
The shit is fake. Goofy. Disgusting. Transparent.
That is what I think.
Yeah -- I saw that.
As for rising above, I'm working on it. I was just royally pissed at the business down below -- which had been discussed on Truthaction last week (and although the thread was eventually removed, the posters are still there -- of course, i could not respond there.) It really irritated me as a feminist that someone thought they could use that against me and I thought it best to just lay out the facts.
removing the comment
i hear you, jpass. i just felt that it had gone on long enough and there was no need for me to start flinging back at Danse some of the shit he had left here. my crazy suggestion - let's all utilize the chatroom more often. that's where this crap should be discussed. i'm pretty sure mice can chat as well, or no? maybe i'll post some lame-o blog to arrange times to meet in the chatroom. thoughts? wait...save 'em for the blog.
haha funny you suggest this.
I thought that was where everyone was now.
For instance
while the substantive critique of Danse's remarks was made to disappear down the memory hole, this kind of thread is encouraged:
To whom it may concern:
MOVE ON.
Continuing to personally attack people, say they have "handlers", cry "shill" at every turn--only makes YOU look like a [jerk]. And if you're already having problems with your site's credibility, you're not helping yourselves out.
I guess that offhand remark about having a handler really stung, huh?
Are we having problems with our credibility? This sounds like something out of the 'catapulting the propaganda' mold -- if she just says it over and over, it may somehow magically become true. (See also Victronix's annoying habit of using the word 'hoax' to describe scenarios she finds unlikely -- automatically imputing bad faith to people who disagree with her.) Do you think that the credibility problem might more properly be assigned to the individual with a history of impersonating others online and the site with the invisible moderators and unapologetic censorship? Is it possible that we don't consider the opinions of folks like this to be any kind of reflection on our 'credibility'?
It will be very simple from an outside observer's standpoint--the party that is throwing around the most [shit] is probably the party [that] has the most problems.
Ah ha haha ha. This is manifest projection. This is the opinion of the INFOWARRIOR who seeks to protect '911activism' from evil doers at any turn, who has to hunt down someone with an actual contribution to make to 9/11 truth as a highly educated lawyer and threaten him with inclusion in her next (embarrassingly bad)harassment video. Hell, this is the person who MADE the embarrassingly bad poo-flinging video -- a video!
Ask yourselves--how much do we talk about you [guys] once you left? That's right--hardly at all. We have lives and things to do--and we're doing them. Unless your actions become a serious threat to 911activism, you can trust you'll be ignored.
"We have lives and things to do." Okay, if you say so.
What if we become a 'serious threat to 911activism'? Like, say, someone who purports to represent the entire 9/11 truth movement with a silly superhero act, bad spelling, and rampant paranoia? Then what happens? Do you make another awful video and embarrass even your colleagues again?
The interaction is over. If we are so horrible, you should be happy to be [rid] of us. Do yourselves a favor: act like adults and move on.
"Act like adults" says the person who does the fake British accent and has several personae of varying nationalities.
"The interaction is over." Oh, is that so? Then I guess you'll just ignore our ongoing critique of the shill controlled Fake Truth Movement.
Brazen censorship
[Some annoymouse posted a comment titled "Brazen censorship and wanton hypocrisy at WTCDumbolition" and I think it may have been deleted by one of my colleagues. Rest assured that I don't have a problem with it, and because it appears to be Col. Dickweed's now twice-played 'trump card' I'd rather just make it public.]
The comment was something along the lines of "Sara Lamadrid aka casseia gave Jon Gold a blowjob and doesn't want you to know. I wonder if she spit or swallowed." (It was in ALL CAPS, indicating, I think, that the person writing it was feeling some angst.)
My reply, which got deleted with the parent comment, was something like...
I swallowed ;)
The Col seems to forget that I know who I mentioned this to and thus where the information is coming from, although she seems to have been spreading it among her superhero friends as part of her '911activism.' (I give Jon Gold more credit than to think he is the person broadcasting this bit of gossip.)
So as a matter of fact, Jon Gold and I did indeed have a casual, friendly sexual encounter a year ago. I don't imagine anyone is particularly interested, nor do I think that's a mental image that anyone is going to thank me for, but there you go. We're grownups and at the time we were friends.
I do object to the mischaracterization of the event over at Truthaction, however (where they are busy doing '911activism'). Jon Gold is no Bill Clinton ;) Because there was never any romantic interest involved, it is incorrect to assume that our subsequent falling out had to do with one of us feeling jilted. I know that I didn't lead Jon on.
yes sorry. chat up.
That was me who deleted it. Just goes to show that these people are fucking creepy enough to come here to post that sort of information.
I've been officially banned for no reason what so ever form TruthAction.org.
I have e-mailed YT, not to re-enstate my username but to just give me a response on the topic of this crazy censorship going on there.
My comments were being deleted one by one...for over an hour. And THEN I got banned. .
So someone is just sitting there deleting my comments and then typing responses to my deleted comments...explaining to readers that the reason her comments have quotes that seem to not exist on the thread is because...they were deleted...
Creepy.
I saw that coming.
Of course.
Sorry, Col. Klink and Dense, this isn't Jerry Springer.
I don't think any less of you, Cass (I could really care less, as it's your PERSONAL life and it's got nothing to do with the subject). I just find it humorous (and not hard to imagine) the col & danse on the Springer show. A vindictive, slow-witted col. Klink screaming "SLUT!" and a drunken Danse hitting someone with a chair.
whatz up
Holy drama guys what the fuck is going on here. I thought this was a real truth site. I have never been to truth-action whatever thats suppose to mean sounds like a bunch of bitches. come on get back posting, so I can steal some Knowledge from you guys because this is the best blog site on d planet.
what do you suggest?
"I thought this was a real truth site."
Ughh...I hate this sort of comment. What exactly is a 'real truth site' is what I want to know. Who decides? Is there a form I have to sign? Is there a hazing? I don't re-drink beer barf like they did in College.
a real truth site
just means we're not pretending to be anything that we are not
I wanted to thank you for
I wanted to thank you for taking this step, Casseia. In the section above, titled "Brazen Censorship", you make some revelations about your private life that are unique and very personal.
It may sound like an unecessary personal disclosure, to some, but to
those of us who have been in the crosshairs of reactionary and
authoritarian opponents
who target everything we do and say, it always helps a lot to have some
transparency about the personal or even private elements of some of our
exchanges with some people.
Being a semi-public or public figure is not easy, especially within the 9/11 Truth community. The kind of
step you took here I think is almost impossible for most activists - I thank you and confess my admiration for your courage
- and it is necessary step, in order to starve some of the fires of gossip
and malignancy. Personal transparency (whenever possible) is a
good way to deny fuel to unethical personal~political attacks.
I wish more of our colleagues within the Truth, Peace and Justice
movement had the same moral integrity as you. It would be an unbeatable
movement.
Petros
http://petros-evdokas.cyprus-org.net/Another-sort-of-Introduction.html
Posting this because it's vaguely threatening.
Just putting it out there for the record. It's from Jo Cressy aka Col Jenny Sparks' blog
Special message to Lurker 80+--(that's your designation because, for reasons passing understanding, you're so obsessed with reading my blog, you've racked up over 80 visits in 2 months):
I really didn't do what you think I did. I even covered for you the first time someone brought that up, you ungrateful slag. Word traveled without any of my help--you just don't want to admit you screwed up with your loose lips. I've got better things to do than play 7th grade games.
Think about what I know about you. Notice how I've never posted boo about anything naming you, anywhere, no matter how much of a b*tich you are showing yourself to be. You'll want to take that projection of yours to a wide screen theater, because it's not playing anywhere else. This blog NEVER mentions your name--not even now. If I was as horrible as you want to believe, you can bet I would destroy your credibility here. But, as we can both see, that is not the case. Beside, you're doing a fine job of destroying your credibility on your own, luv, with the whole whispering behind people's backs, sharing peoples confidences, spinning stories about people careful to leave out important details, trying to manipulate people against each other, and out right lying--all this since last year. You really thought you were going to get away with all that indefinitely? This says more about you than any person you're targeting.
That recent anonymous post I had nothing to do with and didn't see until hours later. I think you know that and you're lying to provoke a response. Well, here's a response--that make you feel powerful? Influential? A sense of closure? Validated? Hope so, cause this is it for you--the interaction you've been whinging after. All because you can't take responsibility for your actions. You pissed off loads of people, sunbeam. Loads. I don't control them all. So don't think you can blame me --or anyone else--for the whirlwind you're reaping.
You're careless and sloppy with your personal information--and you attack people without provaction. What did you think was going to happen with that lifestyle? Surprised it hadn't blown up in your face sooner. Time to stop blaming other people for it. And move on.
The worst thing I'm ever going to do to you, is lobby to get you blackballed throughout the 911 community if I ever find out you're working with the enemy--and I don't mean that prat what owns your site. I mean proof you've knowingly worked with people who have attacked, or still fraternize with others who have attacked, 911activists, therefore enabling further attacks with the information you give them. But I'd need proof before I did that.
They used to keelhaul traitors...all in all being blackballed would be a doddle. Pray I never find proof.
I read her Col Jenny blog, along with her Apollo blog (it's pretty funny when they talk to each other) and the other Authority characters' blogs about as often as I read Nico's Truthlings Watch -- which is to say too much, but that's no indication of affection.
What would being blackballed be like? I wouldn't have any credibility with John Albanese or Victronix anymore? They wouldn't work with me on my '911activism'?
So Jo, here's the thing: I know what you know about me. I also know where the story about me and Jon came from because I know who I mentioned it to -- unless you're implying that Jon told someone. It doesn't really matter whether you cycled it through some sockpuppets or cohorts -- there is only one place it could have come from. I don't have 'loose lips', I'm just not a raving paranoid whose even scared that people might find out her real name -- to the point where she tries to set up some innocent bystander (Canadian anti-war activist Joe Cressy) via yet another of her socks.
Are you forgetting what I know about you? I suggest you tone it down and work on some actual 911 truth activism for a change.
OBSESSED I tell you
80+ what's that, all of about once a day? And it makes it sound like you are far and away its biggest visitor. not a surprise. and no, i'm not going there now. or probably ever.
> I've got better things to do than play 7th grade games.
after which it proceeds to play 2 or 3 paragraphs of 7th grader games. Keelhaul? prat, doddle, traitor? It apparently thinks its life is a comic book. Hey, just think, maybe you'll get to be in its "goodbye" video at the end of 2008 - something to look forward to!