U.S.S. Liberty & Cole-Murrah Federal Building-Findley-Mearsheimer & Walt, et al.

Every time I see Bill and Hill on the old campaign trail, I reflexively now think about how that Israeli demolition team, camping out at the local Holiday Inn in Oklahoma City, wired the Murrah Federal Building and helped another treasonous Attorney General, an American “president,†and his complicitly ambitious wife murder all those helpless little kids in the building’s nursery for various and sundry political reasons.
Every time I see a “Join the Navy†advertisement, I immediately think about the young men serving in the U.S. Navy, who are sometimes subject to being strafed with gunfire and napalm by Israeli fighter jets and torpedo boats, as in the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty, or who are subjected to being blown up in a Yemeni harbor by Mossad terrorists trying to pin another one of their false flag operations (see also: U.S. embassy bombings in Africa) on Bush Family friend UBL to build up his fake “global terrorist mastermind†dossier for public controlled-media consumption.
We are told that crazy, suicidal Arabs who work for an Islamic fundamentalist, guerilla organization called “The Toilet†or “The Database†(al-Qa’ada) are literally, fucking everywhere, and that they are all-powerful as they plot terror against us. No – that would be the agents and “sleeper cells†of Israel working within the operational military intelligence/PR templates developed over a hallowed half century tradition of conducting espionage and intermittent terror operations against Americans—operations conducted by a little country who owns our phone codes, our politicians, our electoral processes, who is now seeking full control of our nuke codes, and who pose as both “allies and friends, and the Only Real Democracy in the Middle East.â€
...Okay, I’m back now from my hurling expedition down the hall.
And that brings us to the thing that is the most frightening thing of all about this situation, which is, that although operationally we may discover the hand of Israel—inspired by its clearly stated and published racist and militant agenda—in the terrorist works of its military/intelligence agents, the highly unpleasant discovery which is the most disturbing of all is the knowledge that the assistance and the cover-up sections within these many and varied espionage and terror operations are being directed by people in upper levels of the U.S. government, and from within its various agencies, and that when we examine the information on the people who occupy these positions, on an average of at least 7 out of 10 times, it is found that the position of power or influence is occupied by someone who is referred to, with delicate caution by Washington insiders, as an “Israel-firster,†or the more PC reference, “Neoconservative†(neo-Con), and if the other three government employees within this 7/10 ratio say a word, they will be called anti-Semite racists and pretty much forfeit their cushy government careers forever. Mind you, these neo-Cons and “Israel-firsters†are not actually “Jews,†although they like to pretend to be, but only for its strategic and tactical advantages. Also, when they cry “anti-Semite!†as they often do when the political and financial truths about things bubble to the surface, it is wise to remember that they themselves are not “Semitic†by any stretch of the genetic imagination, but are in fact the European descendents of pagan Turkic peoples from southern Russia who converted to Judaism in the mid 8th century CE (Common Era). They have absolutely no biological or tribal connections to the land of Palestine or the Hebrew tribes of Iron Age Israel-Judah. They are the Common Era descendents of Turkic/Caucasian CONVERTS to Judaism. They have as much real estate legitimacy over the land of Palestine as the British Mandate had, which is ABSOLUTELY NONE. They are European Colonialists, not the “poor exiled tribes of Israel returning home,†although that theme would make a great Disney or Miramax movie. Jerome, write that down.
Anyone who reads Professors Mearsheimer (U. of Chicago) and Walt’s (Harvard U.) “The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy†or Illinois Congressman Paul Findley’s “They Dare to Speak Out: People and Institutions Confront Israel’s Lobby†(filled with up-close and personal stories of Washington insiders, journalists, academics, and American patriots being totally Fucked Over by AIPAC and friends of the Cartel) – and I recommend reading them both (both titles, information-wise, are complementary) – will definitely get a real politik understanding of how the formation of U.S. foreign, and specifically Middle Eastern policy, is arrived at inside the U.S. government, along with the real-world operations of the American “democratic†political process, and how foreign policy decisions are made using our sons and daughters as little living pawns in a global financial swindle and racist death match. After reading these two books only, watching TV will never be the same again, although you will be able to read/hear between the lines better. I wish I could go back to the old innocent LIHOP days of my research – much less scary then. Oh well.
When Rabbi Chaim Sofer said, “America has been hijacked by Zionists. This whole war is to secure the assets of the Israeli occupation. We, as Jews, have an obligation to tell the truth about this war,†he was not exaggerating or speaking symbolically. He was stating a highly unpleasant FACT. Don’t believe me? Fine. Absolutely no problemo. My intellectual ego is not involved here, but do get your hands on those two above-mentioned books and actually read them. As Gandhi always used to say, don’t buy guns, buy books.
Now that you understand that 9/11 was an inside-outside job with Larry Silverborg and his buddies remotely jacking some jets and blowing up New York, etc., it is time for the good and honest 9/11 truth folks to read these two very important, well researched, well written books. They are part of your 400-level and 9/11 graduate studies curriculum, and oh, one of those titles is written by a Distinguished Service Professor of Political Science from the revered University of Chicago teamed up with a Professor of International Affairs at Harvard’s JFK School of Government. The Mearsheimer & Walt book has 106 pages of references – as I mentioned, highly referenced. Interviews with Drs. John Mearsheimer & Stephen Walt, and twelve-term Illinois Congressman Paul Findley are also, of course, available on YouTube. Guess why Findley didn’t serve a 13th term? That’s right, you guessed it. He believed the Palestinian people were human beings and shouldn’t be treated like the Nazis once treated the Jews. Big thought crime there. Too much human compassion. AIPAC decided he had to go.
And Gretavo,
A most excellent suggestion. If I were going to pick an important 9/11 related book to promote, buy multiple copies of, and pass out – in the Findley vs. Alten promotional decision – I would definitely go with the Findley book, besides, it has a great section on Cynthia McKinney giving them fucking hell. When I finished reading Findley’s book several months ago, and then a friend of mine immediately read it, we actually both thought then of putting up a little cash ($16.00/copy) and passing them out to people, not indiscriminately, like flyers, but to people who were sincerely interested and would be able to intelligently handle the information. Anyways, thanks for another great activist idea. I will have to think about the size of my Amazon.com order and enlist the “bad truthers†up here to raise a little cash for the project. Cheers.
Give ‘em hell at Harvard! You are really on the frontlines there homey. That nutfuck Daniel Pipes is there, and Dershowitz. I gotta go hurl, bye...
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Well said.
And beware next time you go hurling down the hall -- the toilets are right around there, and well, you know what mayhem lurks within.
Happy New Years, everyone. And thanks again for the shirt, gret -- I'll put it to good use once spring's coming round!
it makes my day.
I love your thought of passing out Findleys book, instead of Altens fiction book, classic. Sometimes at 911 blogger there more worried about having a following, more then the want the truth.
Thanks Lazlo and everone on this site for your well rounded comments and blogs it makes my day.
Don't forget Waco
This is pretty much a whitewash, but it's damning enough.
Part 1
Part 2
Welcome Hetware,
And thanks for your excellent postings from the other day. The Einstein & co. letter from the NYT is an important historical document in this fight for historic truth against the control-freak, Zionist-dominated Ministry of Information. Even Israelis have more freedom of the press on some of these issues than we do, and that’s pretty sad.
Yes, the massacre at Waco (just three months into Bilderberger Billy Bob’s presidency) was another horribly tragic incident in the history of the American government, and I have not forgotten about it. I don’t think it had any Israeli intelligence connections like OKC did, but I do feel that both incidents were meant to shut down and, in the public’s perception, defame the Patriot Movement, its staunch support of the Second Amendment, and its very real, armed and trained militias devoted to the preservation of the American Constitution – one of the most despised documents amongst globalists and anti-Semitic Zionists. The 9/11 truthers have their laptops, while folks in the Patriot movement have real weapons arsenals. In a weird way, the original American revolutionary movement of the American Founding Fathers also had that kind of mix – Paine and Jefferson (the two Toms) primarily wrote, and Washington physically kicked ass.
The levels and varieties of national treason that have been committed, and are being committed at not only the mid-levels, but the highest levels of the U.S. government by the “Israel-first†crowd, and those under their control, is at staggering proportions right now, and has been especially rampant ever since the neo-Cons came to town. Intelligent people from all persuasions and backgrounds are starting to quickly wake up, however. So there is hope.
Just last night I saw on YouTube this Jewish guy (and he wasn’t an orthodox Neturei Karta rabbi either) from New York talking on the street to an interviewer, and he was saying AIPAC is the enemy of the Jewish people, they are not the voice of the Jewish people, and that AIPAC will eventually, in our name, provoke the Goyim to the point that they will all start to seriously think about the launching of another McCarthy Era – “Have you or anyone you know been associated with a Zionist organization and committed treason against, or espionage and terror against, the government and peoples of the United States of America?†Zionist treason, espionage, and terror against the U.S. is actually even forbidden by the Talmud – “Thou shalt not rebel and work treachery against the country that gives your people shelter.†These brainwashed Zionist atheists want to claim to be Jewish, yet daily they show their middle fingers to the sages and prophets of the very faith they claim adherence to. Absolutely unbelievable! A rebellious and stiff-necked people indeed.
I was actually thinking about writing a one-act satirical comedy about Larry Silverstein telling his grandmother’s ghost about how the events of 9/11 actually came about. The working title is something like – “Larry, I Hope to Fucking God That What You Just Told Me Isn’t True.â€
Kovel - "Zionism and its Discontents
Lazlo Kovel - "Zionism and its Discontents
its a must watch he does an excellent job and its a good analysis on Zionism.
Kovel -
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qnVltpdSpZo
isn't it Joel Kovel?
I mean, Lazlo is a lovely name too, but... :)
I ♥ Joel...
he even does his own signing for the deaf as he speaks--amazing!! ;)
-gret
There is that "King David Koresh" bit to consider
There are several very strange aspects of the Mt. Carmel Massacre. Not the least of which was the Arkansas BATF Stasi commando Buford's involvement. Also bear in mind that Vernon Howell (David Koresh) fancied himself to be the manifestation of some biblical prophecy about a new King David or some such weirdness. One would surely expect such audacity would run afoul of the current theocratic madmen occupying Palestine.
Washington did produce one work of prose worth taking in:
http://vehme.blogspot.com/2007/10/george-washingtons-farewell-address.ht...
Scroll down the the text just above the video link if you don't have time to read the whole thing right away. I urge all to read the entire address, at least twice.
I Heart David....
FROM PBS Frontline...
" When he was 20, Koresh turned to the Church of Seventh Day Adventists, his mother's church. But he was expelled for being a bad influence on the young people. Sometime during the next couple of years, Koresh went to Hollywood to become a rock star but nothing came of it. Instead, in 1981 he went to Waco, Texas where he joined the Branch Davidians, a religious sect which in 1935 had settled 10 miles outside of Waco. At one time, it had more than 1,400 members.
Koresh had an affair with then-prophetess Lois Roden who was in her late sixties. The two travelled to Israel together. When Lois Roden died, a power struggle began between Koresh and Lois Roden's son George. For a short time, Koresh retreated with his followers to eastern Texas. But in late 1987 he returned to Mount Carmel in camouflage with seven male followers, armed with five .223 caliber semiautomatic assault rifles, two .22 caliber rifles, two 12-gauge shotguns and nearly 400 rounds of ammunition.
During the gunfight, Roden was shot in the chest and hands.
He and his followers went on trial for attempted murder. The seven were acquitted and a mistrial was declared in Koresh's case. (Koresh told the jury he and his men went to Mount Carmel to find evidence of corpse abuse by Roden and their shots were aimed at a tree.)
By 1990 Koresh had become the leader of the Branch Davidians and legally changed his name, saying on the court document that the change was "for publicity and business purposes." He said the switch arose from his belief that he was now head of the biblical House of David. (Koresh is a Hebrew transliteration of Cyrus, the name of the Persian king who allowed the Jews held captive in Babylon to return to Israel.)"
yeah, not sure what to think...
It's important not to jump to conclusions either way, but I would certainly say there is a lot to learn from both sides here...
i remember when...
that lady who wrestled alligators said she took "full responsibility" for what went down at Waco and I screamed at that television "THEN WHY AREN'T YOU IN JAIL?" because we all knew (or at least me and 2 or 3 of my friends) that the government had gone in there guns blazing, those poor kids never had a chance. Somehow I thought it was fairly common knowledge to people who pay attention, but maybe that's because i've been a "conspiracy nut" (someone who pays attention and wonders what the F is going on?) for a long time.
But aside from that; I love the Lazlo idea (about the grandmother's ghost) and thank you my friend for your permission to publish your series, although i've been rather busy i hope to get to it some day soon! And i've certainly no plans to take credit or profit from it but i appreciate the sentiment :)
>"Washington physically kicked ass."
If I remember there was an Adams in there as well. Back then it was a fine line between a patriot and a terrorist. http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/fall96/sons.html
But I think Jefferson's always been my favorite radical.
I remember allegations of child molestation
Wonder if those were fabricated then, or being whitewashed now? I'm not sure I see much of a connection between Waco and 9/11 anyway--am I missing something?
tangential connection
OKC was alleged to be a response to Waco (both happened on 4/19), supposedly evidence from and about Waco that was being stored at the Murrah bldg in OKC was destroyed. OKC was an inside job, of that i have been convinced since shortly after the event; and the evidence of such could encompass a few books or more. There are a number of documented connections, things like the same company (controlled demolition) cleaned up both OKC and WTC. So the relation is more like;
OKC has some direct relation to BOTH Waco & the 911 events. FWIW (& i'm not saying it's necessarily worth much other than a nod of awareness)
Regardless of whether the children were being molested, most sane people would agree that you don't go in to the place with guns blazing, even after X dozen days. I think I read about and saw tapes of the event that showed the government helicopter firing large caliber rounds that probably started the fires and killed a lot of "cult members" including children. My memory could be distorted, as we are talking a decade+ now, but I don't think so.
I don't sympathize with David Koresh or whatever his name really was, but the families & kids that got caught up in it - talk about the wrong place at the wrong time. And no one responsible for their deaths was ever held accountable (other than perhaps Koresh in an instant karmic way). Janet Reno should be sitting in a cold jail cell to this day, not forgotten, but a reminder to all other abusers of authority and those who harbor them within their governmental agencies! anyway, i will keep dreaming (still raining, still dreaming...)
Hi Tahooey, Can you post
Hi Tahooey,
Can you post links to this story of the OKC bombing in relation to Waco? Just in case it came from the web.
it comes from my memory
and i don't have links to that (yet)...
> "the OKC bombing in relation to Waco"
but do a google search for "Waco Murrah" and you will likely turn up some relevant info; whether it's factual i have no idea, but I heard this type of stuff dating back to weeks after the attack in '95.
Man there is a lot of crap out there on the web. But what i remember hearing / reading, that stored in the FBI's office inside the Murrah building was evidence from and about Waco. That the ingenious plan called for destroying the evidence and blaming it on the people they wanted to go after (right wing militias). But in my mind this stuff is not a right / left issue and underlines the false paradigm. they just tell us to be afraid of extremists from the opposition party at any point in time and the majority of the populalation falls in line with whatever plan arises to deal with it.
Google officer Yeakey, and Charles Key - interesting stuff, to say the least!
Thanks Tahooey, (oops)
>Thanks Tahooey, Hetware also posted a lot of interesting info on Waco which I will still review.
> somehow I never thought the militias were big enough a deal to have to be rolled back.
my total bad - i must have hit EDIT instead of REPLY - not sure how to restore your comment - SORRY! -T
your welcome -
I think the motives may have been many-fold and some perhaps very long term, maybe such as testing "how can we blow up a building from the inside and control the media to blame it on outside patsies" - but who knows, maybe some psycho was just settling a personal vendetta and he had enough influence & authority that it was covered up rather than exposed. But I think it wasn't the militias that were rolled back so much as the Constitution!
I begin with the assumption that they are related.
There are numerous similarities and likely connections between Waco and 9/11. One of them probably has to do with the Mena Intermountain Municipal Airport. There are also some psyop aspects of the Waco operation and 9/11. One possible connection might be found in Albert Pike's influence in Arkansas.
We're talking Arkansas BATF here
The whole thing about Koresh possibly having sex with teenage girls is a complete red herring. What was the Arkansas BATF doing with a team of commandos armed to the teeth in order to deal with some dude acting like somebody from Arkansas? "Oh shit, Koresh is abusing children, we better go in and kill 'em all!" Hello! What's wrong with this picture?
WTC and the OKC Murrah
WTC and the OKC Murrah building were both pre-wired with explosives (which could have been done only with someone in the US government's knowledge), then patsies were blamed for the destruction of the buildings. In both cases Congress and the media purposely ignored evidence showing the inside job nature of either event. The close similarities between the two lead me to believe (speculating here) the possibility that they were both perpetrated by the same groups.
The Koresh/Waco incident, while similarly tragic does not have the same inside job element that I find in the first two examples. From all that I have read (which is limited), neither Koresh nor anyone in the compound who precipitated the confrontation were planted there or armed/funded/assisted by the Gov't. While the operation to take the compound and the means used to do so were brutal, controversial, and likely illegal, I fail to see the connection yet to the WTC conspiracy except for the possible govt/media cover-up.
sums up my view
not just that but i would add that it is suspicious because it serves to make 9/11 truth look like right wingers militia sympathizers, etc. Not that there's anything necessarily wrong with any of that, it just doesn't seem to have that much to do with 9/11 so why indeed do some people link them I wonder... Government attacking its own people? Ahhhh maybe that's it. No foreigners were involved in Waco...
W. Gene Corley and molten steel
One extremely telling fact about the Waco cover-up is that an engineer named W. Gene Corley was involved in that "investigation" as well as the OKC and WTC cover-ups. Amazingly, except for the WTC, Waco is the only other reported case of steel melting due to a diffuse hydrocarbon fire that I know of. In the case of Mt. Carmel, the front door of the community home was 'unfortunately completely destroyed in the fire'. Had it survived, it would have provided clear evidence of who shot first, and what kinds of ammo was involved.
The Mt. Carmel massacre was planned in advance. I have it on good word that the military resources used in the Mt. Carmel standoff were consigned prior to the original assault.
There has been an effort to debunk this video clip, but that is a saga in it's own right:
The guy who did the "debunking" ended up being one of the harshest mainstream critics of the Mt. Carmel mass murder. He basically covered for 1st SFOD-D while pointing his finger directly at WJC.
There are a few factual errors in Linda Tompson's Waco: The Big Lie, but I believe the gist of what she presents is accurate. There are two versions of the video, and I would have to dig to figure out whether this is the more recent one:
If you can find the time to really investigate Waco, I urge you to do so. There are countless, mind-boggling discrepancies and omissions in the Mt. Carmel OCT.
For one, "conventional wisdom" holds that the Branch Davidians were a bunch of "Right-wing White Supremacists". Never mind that 60% of the community were not "Anglos". The guy on the phone calling 911 saying "Hold your fire! We've got women and children in here!" was a Harvard educated African American lawyer. Of course, the racial composition of the group doesn't bear upon the criminality of mass murder. It does, however, give an indication of the level of mass deception surrounding this act of state sponsored terrorism.
Another mind-blowing fact in the Waco record is that Koresh had been out shooting guns with BATF agents 9 days before the original assault on the community. They could easily have arrested Koresh without incident, had they wanted to.
thanks Hetware!
thanks for the links and perspective, i'm appreciating your knowledgeable contributions - glad to have you here on the island!
The video you posted here (Waco, the big lie) at around 30 minutes presents substantial evidence that the helicopters fired on defenseless women and children, so it seems my memory on that point at least was correct.
911 Israel and Dov Zakheim
I am just wondering why Dov Zakheim is not in prison for his role in providing the remote contol equipment as well as the airplanes for the 911 attacks. All that missing money from the Pentagon during his years in high level management at the Pentagon probably went to Israel. He now has a great job at Booz Allen. He should be in prison. I wonder if all the people who believe the Mossad and other Israeli pyschopaths were responsible for the 911 attacks inundated the FBI with requests for an investigation if that would get any response from an agent who has some knowledge and is irritated by the investigation being shut down by the White House.
Also somebody should inform George Bush and his group as well as the media that the video tapes where Osama bin Laden confesses to being responsible fro the 911 attacks are probably considered by the FBI to be phony. If you go to the FBI official website and click on Osama bin laden in the international terrorists page they show a few crimes he is wanted for but not the 911 attacks.