Someone now deleting postings from Truthaction.org forum

I think the latter. And their goal is to control what amounts to the real truth movement (i.e. all the genuine real truthers who try to learn from each other and coordinate campaigns with no ulterior motive, even if they disagree on certain issues). This is infiltration 101. It's not ONLY about disruption--there is a good cop/bad cop element to it. The bad cops are the disruptors, the mega disinfo shills like Nico Haupt. The good cops are the "subtle disinfo" crowd that the mega disinfo shills focus their attacks on, giving the impression that the subtle disinfo are the really good and real truthers. I won't bother naming names here. The subtle disinfo crowd then tries to sway existing truthers and newbies to their point of view. They do this by complimenting each other, pretending not to be working in concert, and backing each other up when they find a truther who is screwing up or undermining their goal, which can reasonably be presumed to be limited hangout of SOME truth, but only to the extent that they know it can be safely ignored by the mainstream. So we have Alex Jones for example revealing things that are certainly true and shocking but doing so in a manner that turns off most regular folk and makes anyone who refers to his work seem like a "konspiracy kook". Of course the really ambitious disinfo is not about limited hangout but about actually creating a whole new bogeyman out of Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, Patsystan, "al Qaeda", or whatever other evil msulims they can convince truthers to fear and suspect.

The beauty of it all is that it is so transparent and so far along now that people just waking up to the truth, i.e. who have not been following the truth movement from the inside and so are unlikely to be swayed by the "good reputation" of the subtle disinfo crowd are going to learn not just about 9/11 but about the lame efforts to derail the truth movement by a gang of astroturf farmers!

The 2 recent articles by Keenan & RT re the "LIHOP Movement" nailed it in my experience. Another bbs I hang at has many 911 threads, and past few months theres been a small cabal of long time shills who have really come together with their talking points: namely, "no evidence of CD" & "LIHOP best hypothesis". Yep, US officials are criminals, but ultimately Muslims did 911. They've come together with the word games, astroturfing & meme propagation in selling their LIHOP Kool-aid and ridiculing CD/MIHOPers. It's just really striking, in that I've been around there for years, and the shills were much more rag-tag prior to recently. OTOH, their recent "smartly unified song sheet" has backfired somewhat in that everyone with half a brain there are seeing through their shit & calling them out as shills now. We're Still Winning.

I trust YT. I bet it's tough to have all these people on your site expecting you to do this or that. Could you imagine if Darryl Smith called you up demanding shit? Woo!
When I was at GNN a bunch of us banded together to expose a few thins at GNN. One of the missions was to out those using multiple user accounts to decieve and manipulate the discussion over there. No doubt this was done to frustrate and run off 911 research.
When the mods FINALLY face the truth about the problem, they did a purge and outed a few of the people with the most user accounts.

[cass says:  I have excised two sentences here.  If you want to be a registered user and re-post the same accusation, that might be reasonable.]

The truth is that we don't know any of these people. I think it was Gretavo who said this a few days ago...the only thing we can do is let their actions guide our judgment.

-ion and for opening up a very interesting topic as well.

Work for truth, stand up for justice, and work the conscience of the world through wisdom and non-violence, which as the Tao Te Ching will tell you, is the path to a blessed success. It does take patience, but like the water that keeps endlessly flowing, the stone is eventually worn away and disappears. If you are an honest truth seeker and truth teller, then you should not fear the ‘cyber agents of influence and manipulation’, who will always expose themselves eventually. One lie is hard to maintain forever, but managing thousands of lies would be like juggling multiple flaming chainsaws. How long can that act go on for?

And Keenan,
Don’t worry about being banned at truthaction, whenever you get some time to write what is on your mind about all this crazy shit, just put it up here. We like your stuff. Post it, we discuss, and you will usually waste a lot less time having to make a simple point in five different ways than on a huge blog with 80 different bloggers, newbies, agents, etc. I remember some of those long threads over at 911B going on and on about something very simple, and it often just seemed like a conscious scheme to waste the time of intelligent activists who could be working on some research or out having serious discussions with real people (not sock puppets) on the street, or wherever. Although it can also be said that such blog discussions and arguments can help you when talking to people in a public, real 3-D venue like Reality. And with regards to analog reality, yeah it would be great to actually hang out with all you folks. LOL is not the same as hearing someone actually laugh, if you know what I mean. It would be a fucking great party, I’ll tell you that. Then we would find out who the real intelligence agents are amongst us. Ultimate paranoia, and do bring your guns and badges. I keeed only. Jeez... Just an old Hunter Thompson joke. We would have to meet in the middle of America. No, California on the beach sounds good right now, or the coast of southern Italy or Kerala, and speaking of cool fantasies, I had a dream about this little crew here at WTCD living in the same general area and forming a single activist truth squad. Am I right, or what? People would walk through our activist working area on the street and be swept up in a vortex of intelligently presented information that would alter their social and political consciousness right there. “Hey, ya never hear this stuff on CNN, how come?” “Well, I have a little story to tell you...” Of course, you have to always give ‘em a flyer or something so that, when they get to where they are off to, they will remember what just happened to themselves in that high-energy vortex truth-field on the sidewalk. It’s one of those good ‘quantum foam’ things, perhaps.

Yes, patience is something very necessary, often hard to learn, and takes practice and discipline, like an instrument, but you have a good heart Keenan, and you are passionate about what is right and true, so that makes you want to explode when you finally open your mouth. Totally natural, no problema. It is like the old stories of the good and righteous warrior against the crafty defenders of the oppressive and the guilty. Gretavo has gained understanding on deep, important things from the mythologies woven into Star Wars. That’s fantastic. You people are very cool here, and fuck those mahfakaz who freak out over an intelligent, free-speech analysis of moon-landing hoaxes and holohoaxes. This is an honesty, no-hate zone. At WTCD, we can talk about anything we fucking want to (except those Eastern European child-sex slave rings being run by DynCorp - cf. Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney vs. Herr Rummy and the Pentagon Accounting Department Lady on Youtube.) Oh yeah, we can probably talk about those things too.

No one here blames you for just wanting to start screaming that “Anyone in a ‘leadership’ position within the 9/11 Truth Movement who still thinks that devout, radical Muslim jihadi ‘hijackers’ (who later turned out to be cokeheads who couldn’t fly shit, and were working as patsies in a co-op backstory for either the CIA, Mossad, or CIA-controlled Pakistani ISI, or all three) commandeered four commercial aircraft from three different airports (all with either facility security connections to Israel [Logan, Newark – ICTS/Huntleigh USA] or the Bush family [Dulles – Stratasec]), and were able to ram two of these airliners, with trained, military precision, into ‘two spires at-a-distance’ with no previous flying experience except on two-seater Cessnas; and the ‘9/11 truth leaders’ who also still believe that a Boeing 757 – coming all the way in from fucking Ohio, and supposedly flown by a failed, dangerously incompetent Cessna pilot, a 20-something dude ‘high on Islamo-fascism’ who guided this airliner like a precision-guided missile into the world’s most protected structure by flying three feet above and across the lawn of the Pentagon after circling over the missile-battery-protected White House – had its atomic structure (including seats, suitcases, two massive wings, fuselage, tail section, and twin five-ton titanium Rolls Royce engines) miraculously and transformatively ‘liquefied’ after hitting the EMPTY part of the Pentagon (empty but for the Army accounting department personnel hot on the trail of then-Comptroller Dov Zakheim’s massive transfer of U.S taxpayer dollars to Israeli military accounts the day before 9/11); and the ‘9/11 truth leaders’ who -- after six years of research has flowed under the bridge -- still ‘have questions’ regarding the controlled demolitions of World Trade Center buildings One, Two, and Seven by “insiders,” are either not the brightest bulbs on the tree, or are working as ‘Blogger Personalities’ for an individual, an organization, or nation whose interests lie with the laying of a trail of bread crumbs in the ‘alt blog world’ and in the 9/11 Truth Movement which lead off-trail to the “Official Alternative ‘if all else fails’ 9/11 truth story of ‘Yeah, it was an inside job, but the crazy fuckin’ Muslims still did it, so we still have to bomb ‘em for the Isra, oops, that would be, ‘democracy and freedom and safety.’” Longest run-on sentence of the year. Did I win?

Peace to you all. Please stop the killing and the looting and the raping and the hating and the bombing and the vicious greed, and the torturous, animal brutality and the pure insanity of this fractured reality.

Om Tat Sat, Thanks a Lot... Learn to play guitar. Check out Walt Whitman.