What Do Ron Paul, PNAC, & New Meixco's 911 Truth Candidate All Have In Common?
This Guy:
Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Candidate
Wrote This Book:
With This Guy: Lewis Lehrman
Who Just Happened To Be On The Board Of Directors For: PNAC!
Leland Lehrman
Leland Lehrman is the son of Lewis Lehrman, PNAC guy. He is running for 2008 Senate in New Mexico with 9/11 Truth as one of his main platform mantras.
Visit him here:
http://lehrmanforsenate.wordpress.com/about/
Anyone who knows what PNAC is and how it relates to 9/11 is having a hard time reconciling the fact that a 9/11 Truth candidate is the son of a PNAC director.
It seems more likely to me that PNAC was a convenient and easy set-up target. Patsies with literature to go by. Probably a few willing participants over at PNAC with mostly unwitting idealogical nut-jobs who were easy targets for manipulation.
Here He Argues...
I've heard the topic of what the young Lehrman discuss here:
http://www.middleeast.org/forum/fb-public/1/38.shtml
Discussed on this forum.
At the link above he argues (eventually) that the Protocols of Zion are likely authentic and that, as an American Jew, he is calling on American Jews to shake off the ADL and denounce criminal Zionists.....
Anyway, what do you think? The topic is not my area of study. I have a general idea of what the Protocols of Zion are but I have no idea if they are authentic or not and have hardly studied the topic.
Whoa -- are you SURE they're father and son?
Lehrman the Younger posted at truthaction for about two seconds before being run off by the resident thought police.Â
He makes it clear in this article...
Senate Hopeful wants probe into 9/11 Attacks
http://www.santafenewmexican.com/Local%20News/Senate_hopeful_wants_probe...
His father, Lewis Lehrman, 69, is a staunch conservative with strong connections to the White House and such groups as the Project for the New American Century, which helped foster the idea of going to war with Iraq well before 9/11. The elder Lehrman's Web site shows him standing with President Bush in the Oval Office in 2005, wearing a National Endowment for the Humanities medal. Much earlier, in 1982, he narrowly lost the New York governor's race to Mario Cuomo. It was during those years that he worked with anti-communist efforts in Latin America and Africa, his son said.
"To be perfectly honest, it's kind of a crazy world at the highest level of political operations, and I feel like my dad may have been misled," said Leland Lehrman, the oldest of five siblings. "His patriotism may have been abused. That's how I look at it."
The elder Lehrman, who has an office in Connecticut, gave a short reply Friday to a series of e-mailed questions. "I love my son," he said. "His opinions make me sad."
Interesting.
I just looked at his blog and his platform looks VERY good. My only reservations are
--No clear statement on the protection of the right to bodily sovereignty (which includes the right to abortion)
--He states that he supports 'curbing' domestic violence, which is probably just an unfortunate choice of words -- I doubt he means there is some acceptable level of domestic violence.Â
Therefore, I am very suspicious about whatever got him jettisoned from Truthaction -- must have been his statements about the Protocols of Zion.Â
Yup, platform looks good
I was impressed with his platform also. If you scroll to the bottom of the page you see a video that helps also.
So what are your feelings about TruthAction.org? For example, 911Blogger has always creeped me out a bit, GNN.TV is a majorly exposed shill base, wtcdemolition started out good...and has remained so to this day...but TruthAction...I've hardly been at TruthAction.org at all.
Oddly, I installed the forum for YT and have yet to participate.
Truthaction
I have always felt like cosmos/YT is a genuinely good guy. I met him at the Arizona conference and I've talked with him on the phone a few times.  So I'm really perplexed. I just don't see why someone like Keenan would be rebuked while other posters are flat out insulting -- like, calling RT an 'idiot' -- and yet others, like Col Jenny, are allowed to use it as a home base for their anti-shill vigilantism. (Col. Jenny, who is a character from a comic book series called The Authority, has been joined in the blogosphere by three other Authority superheroes, who are using Tarpley-esque tactics and worse, such as posting personal information about Truthers and threats to give them 'kickings' etc. These are Truthers who have been identified as Mega Disinfo Shills, of course, and maybe in some cases they are, but this 'ends justify the means' bullshit is really pissing me off.)
Truthaction had started to have good, constructive disagreements taking place in the News forum, and it will be a damn shame to see that come to an end. I've said in the past that my level of cynicism is always lagging behind reality -- I always want to assume the best about people and communities. I was VERY shocked and disappointed by what happened at 911blogger, which has never recovered (probably because a lot of people still have their comments moderated). I gave up on TruthMove at the point when an admin wanted me to stop challenging the bitter, old-guard LIHOPPERS there who were calling Truther.org an 'anarchist' site (! -- they're Ron Paul supporters for god's sake) because they had pictures of people who were not smiling, including people who had -- gasp! -- breasts! (As we all know, any photographic representation of mammary glands, even fully clothed, is a pornographic use of sex to sell things -- even if they're your own freakin' boobs in your own freakin' t-shirt.) So, short answer (not), I have tended to feel an affinity for TruthAction -- one that is being constantly eroded by the actions of a few people other than YT.
Re: Leland Lehrman:
Re: Leland Lehrman:
Sometimes a son can be different from a father, and with all respect and love, just say, “Dad, you’re just fucking wrong on some, or a lot, of these things you advocate,†and even though the father apparently has ties to PNAC, which raises my immediate cynic curiosity and apprehension, the son, independently from his biological relations, still might be able to put together one of the best progressive, multi-topic political campaign platform presentations I’ve maybe ever seen. Too good to be true? What is the objective here? Is Leland Lehrman for real? As, mentioned above, not outside the laws of nature, or father-son relationships. Still, a very impressive platform, and I might add that New Mexico does have a very enlightened political activist and arts scene to support a Senate candidate with such a platform. His platform’s mention of the Jubilee year, where all debt is forgiven, is very interesting. This is an idea that was originally developed and practiced by kings of ancient Mesopotamia, such as Hammurabi, and even earlier. When the new king took the throne, he would declare the lands under his control free of debt, and if the royal treasury was able to handle it, the creditors and landlords would be compensated. If you were a peasant farmer with a debt, however, the arrival of a new king on the throne of Babylon was your lucky day, although if a king reigned long enough, he would hold another jubilee type festival accompanied by debt forgiveness. The philosophy was that a kingdom under too much debt to a small minority paralyzes the progress of the entire kingdom as a happy and vibrant power. From the king’s end of things, his kingdom’s people under heavy debt to independent third parties, also decreases his ability to tax his people for the support of his own operations, some of which might involve military movements to protect essential trade routes.
We have always lived in interesting times, for sure.
interesting
i still have to read up on this guy, but i like the jubilee year thing. i first came across the idea when studying Judaism. Things like that, and the idea of land laying fallow every seven years, and returning to its original owner after I don't know how many decades... it seems like Judaism at one time was a very nice philosophy/law for its people. Then one reads things in the Talmud that sound like Dershowitz trying to justify ways of "getting around" God's law by using technicalities and loopholes and I think one can see where Judaism and its offshoot Zionism's problems originated. Now I'm not all that keen on Cass's rule of letting people critique their own religions, and I'll be the first to hold Islam and Christianity to the same standard and find them equally wanting in the way that people put them into practice (some poeple anyway). What is lost on too many atheists and agnostics is the fact that behind all the eternal rewards and mumbo jumbo usually lie some pretty profound truths that we are foolish to ignore or dismiss...
Hey Gretavo, is that really you
with the blonde hair?
[Note to readers in the future who are reading this in later years perusing the archives of wtcdemolition.com/blog researching just how how this nascent vanguard of the MIHOP revolution incubated the Real Truth brigade right here in this virtual battlefield that would become a crucial factor in the turning point of the war against the Gatekeepers that finally overthrew the pathocracy in the year 2008: Gretavo's avatar, which will undoubtedly undergo at least another few dozen transformations by the time you read this, had just been uploaded with a childhood picture of a cute blonde-haired kid.]
it's lil' gret, age 5
I was poking through the gigabytes upon gigabytes on my computer and came across one of my few childhood pics (we lost most of our picture albums in an overseas move)and decided to further soften the edges of this cutting edge blog by making it my avatar for now... i still look exactly like that of course, though my hair has darkened a bit and curled and I've gained about 150 lbs. truth be told, i'm just not that cute and innocent anymore so this is one way of protecting myself from online abuse--who wants to be seen talking smack about this little bugger? Not I! :)
Jon Gold!
How can you pick on that cute little kid. Pick on somebody your own size.
This little guy looks like someone who's watchin' your shit, and is not going to let you fool him, and he'll tell you about it too. ;D
"The Great Jubilee" of 2000
was the first time i learned of this via my Presby involvements back then, and I seem to recall anti-IMF and anti-NAFTA protests concurrently...
we should hold onto and cherish the good in our faith traditions, even if not engaged in a religious sense or "practicing".
Nice to read your comment on Leland - my new obsession!!! The fact that he is Russian Jew on his father's side and yet raised Christian on by his mom...interesting!
I have friends vacationing in NM as we speak. His dad is a professor at UNM, Barrett Price, very progressive. Waiting for response from them regarding this new candidate in the NM mix.
blessings to you and yours! kÂ
More Leland on Israel-Lebanon/semantic manipulations
http://www.rense.com/general73/semna.htm
this link does not seem to work
is anyone else having problems?
Kate
Whatever one may hypothesize
Whatever one may hypothesize about the origins of the Protocols, they certainly don't have much resemblance to post-Reagan America:
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The tax upon the poor man is a seed of revolution and works to the detriment of the State which in hunting after the trifling is missing the big...
A tax increasing in a percentage ratio to capital will give much larger revenue than the present individual or property tax...
The force upon which our king will rest consists in the equilibrium and the guarantee of peace, for the sake of which things it is indispensable that the capitalists should yield up a portion of their incomes for the sake of the secure working of the machinery of the State. State needs must be paid by those who will not feel the burden and have enough to take from...
In order that payers of the educated classes should not too much distress themselves over the new payments they will have full accounts given them of the destination of those payments, with the exception of such sums as will be appropriated for the needs of the throne and the administrative institutions...
Purchase, receipt of money or inheritance will be subject to the payment of a stamp progressive tax. Any transfer of property, whether money or other, without evidence of payment of this tax which will be strictly registered by names, will render the former holder liable to pay interest on the tax from the moment of transfer of these sums up to the discovery of his evasion of declaration of the transfer...
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-- Protocol 20
The Protocols were written as a slur on progressive movements of the time which sought to advocate measures such are described in Protocol 20 and thereafter. Many socialists of that era would have demanded a tax increasing in percentage ratio to capital, exactly as it stated in the Protocols, and exactly the opposite of what George Bush has enacted by stripping away the capital gains tax. I don't see how any honest person could assert that Bush or anyone around him is carrying out the program of the Protocols.
ah, the never-ending saga
of "the protocols". I think that to properly understand this subject--to even begin to remove the layers of confusion surrounding it, a few things should be made clear.
1) there is little to no evidence credibly attributing the ideas in the book, much less the actual words of the text, to any secret cabal of Jewish conspirators.
2) suggestions that it is a fraud because it lifted some parts from (allegedly) previously written works like Joly's DDialogues carry little weight for a few reasons. First, there are only a few such passages--the work stands on its own as an original piece of writing, accurate or not. Second, Joly's book seems possibly to have been forged itself precisely in order to claim that the protocols are a forgery based on it. The first mention in the historical record of Joly's work seems to occur after the protocols were "discovered". This is fishy, though in the mainstream account it is attributed to the fact that few of Joly's Dialogues were published and most were destroyed. The British Museum just happened to have one, conveniently discovered after the publication of the protocols.
3) To whomever they may be correctly attributed, the protocols do indeed make predictions that turned out to be accurate, like the Russian revolution. They also present a remarkable study of human mendacity and cynicism that no one can seriously deny rings true to this day. They are written in the tradition of Machiavelli's The Prince and describe what is in many ways a very plausible scenario for some group (not necessarily an exclusively Jewish group) to obtain control over the entire world through the control of wealth and information.
So the questions become more clear, namely:
a) Are the protocols proof that Jeiwsh people are conniving wanderers who are invariably subversive elements wherever they go and who all obey a secret law handed down by their "elders"?
b) If the answer to a) is no, as it most probably is in my opinion, should the protocols still be studied as something more than a "smear job" on Jewish people?
c) If the answer to b) is yes, which I think it is, how do we responsibly go about discussing the contents of the protocols, and to what end?
The third question here is what I propose is a good open-ended place to start. To begin to answeer it I would say first and foremost that discussion of the protocols should not begin, like discussion of 9/11, with the presumption that the overt meaning is the correct one. In other words everyone is innocent until proven guilty, and neithr the protocols nor the 9/11 OCT satisfy any burden of proof to suggest that we should begin by thinking we must disprove them (i.e. by proving a negative, which is difficult if not impossible.)
In fact, most studies that I have read on the subject of the protocols, those that are not intended as warnings not to read them at all, do not begin from the premise that they are genuine notes from a secret meeting of old Jewish men somewhere in Europe (the secret Sanhedrin of lore.) In fact most objective analyses I've read presuppose the obvious--that the vast majority of Jews could not have had any idea of their existence or creation, and thus could share no possible responsibility for the claims made therein any more than your average Mohammed on the street is responsible for some bogus "bin Laden" or "al Qaeda" video produced in Qatar and broadcast on Al Jazeera.
I'll leave it there for now, but also would encourage people to read the protocols for themselves before proceeding to discuss what it is that we might legitimately glean from them (because that is something I think that is crucial to understanding how and why they came into being and what purpose they may continue to serve to some people...)
Here's a link to the text:
http://www.aztlan.net/protocols.htm
Predicting the Russian
Predicting the Russian revolution is not really a prophecy. By the mid-19th century Europe had gone through a wave of revolutions against the older feudal order. Russia in the 1850s was regarded as the last bastion of feudalism in Europe. It was easy to watch the waves of violent anarchist groups growing there in the last half of the 19th century and predict from this that sooner or later some type of revolutionary movement would emerge. There's no evidence of hidden insight in the Protocols on that score.
What is apparently known about Joly's play is that it copied from previous works which carry the basis for the Protocols. I haven't yet gotten around to looking earlier than Joly's play, but supposedly Eugene Sue's novels THE WANDERING JEW and THE MYSTERY OF THE PEOPLE contain all of the basic scenes which were later cribbed not only by Maurice Joly but also by Hermann Goedsche, BIARRITZ.
In any event, questions about the origins of the Protocols are quite different from whether or not what is described in the Protocols does or does not read like a blueprint for our time, as is often alleged. The Russian revolution was an easily predictable event which does not require any conspiracy theory to explain and simply occurred because the older system in Czarist Russia was horribly antiquated and broke down under conditions of modern war. But do the Protocols predict the rise of a political trend for tax cuts on the rich, shifting social costs downward onto lower income groups and total deregulation such as we've seen in the last 25 years? Absolutely not. What is described in the Protocols points in the exact opposite direction from everything which we've seen in the USA since Ronald Reagan took office.
Regarding what most "studies" on the Protocols do or do not assume, my observation has been that those which claim to see a close parallel between our world today and that envisioned in the Protocols are mostly written by conservatives with a predilection to regard any form of taxation as a threat to liberty. Such ideologues are usually unable to objectively look at the patterns of tax cuts for the rich such as we've seen in the last 25 years, compare to the way that the Protocols very emphatically state the importance of taxing the rich and keeping tax burdens off of the poor, and subsequently decide whether or not what we see today is really a fulfillment of the Protocols. Too much Right-wing ideology makes such people mentally unable to regard anything less than a throwback to the pre-1913 world (which is economically impossible anyway) as a fulfillment of the Protocols.
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We shall re-establish small master production which will mean laying a mine under the private capital of manufactures. This is indispensable also for the reason that manufacturers on the grand scale often move, though not always consciously, the thoughts of the masses in directions against the government. A people of small masters knows nothing of unemployment and this binds him closely with existing order, and consequently with the firmness of authority.
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-- Protocol 23
How does this resemble anything which we see today? Clearly the trend of mergers and acquisitions in the last 2 decades has gone in the opposite direction. One must be ideologically blind to what has in fact been occurring to say that such events follow the Protocols.
there's only one way to find out--read.
The protocols are not based around a method of taxation--that is just what at the time seemed to make sense. Even global conspirators cant predict what economic conditions will be like in a century. Besides, Reagan's policies were a blip in historical terms, and only occured in one place. You seem to be willingly fixating on individual trees in order to avoid contemplating the nature of the forest, my friend. Anyway, I mainly think that people should not be discouraged from reading them, precisely because it makes it seem as if there is something in them to hide.
Some people, like the poster above, seem to think that there is absolutely no point to reading them. I disagree. The point though is not to learn about a grand Jewish conspiracy, but to understand a document that has been very important in molding the way people think in the last one hundred years. Correct me if I'm wrong there, mouse dude!
Well I've never had any
Well I've never had any problem with anyone reading anything. But you're quite offbase in asserting that Reagan's policies were just a blip on a radar screen. Reaganism was one of the most ideologically forceful assertions of a very broad general trend within the world economy: the push towards economic privatization.
The global economy of the last several decades has been heavily influenced by the overdeveloped nature of everything which makes the traditional patterns of capitalist profit obtained by developing a new product or service or simply bringing already developed industry to an undeveloped region more and more difficult. The effect of that has been to set in motion a social trend towards cutting public services and shifting everything to private hands while eliminating the taxes which have been used to pay for such social services in the past. Within the USA this trend has gone much faster in forward drive simply because the USA was founded more fully than any other country in the world on explicitly capitalist ideas. But it hasn't only been a trend restricted to the USA.
In France the clear trend of the last decade has been one of pension cuts and labour law "reforms" which make firing employees easier. In Germany the present aim is to privatize the railway system which has long been a well-reputed national service in the country. In Britain Margaret Thatcher set the precedent for Ronald Reagan. Japan took longer than some others, but Koizumi launched the offensive for economic privatization. Israel today would barely be recognized by the early founders like David Ben Gurion. That's not to say that Ben Gurion wasn't a racist, of course he was. But within his own Jewish clan settled in Palestine, Ben Gurion like all the early founders of Israel favored a form of national socialism for Jews (as opposed to Aryans). Privatization has completely unraveled the old brand of Zionist socialism.
Without a doubt these are long-range tendencies determined by the capitalist economy running out of room in which to expand. Such tendencies will only accelerate. Now the Protocols were written in a very different era when various types of progressive and socialist movements were growing at a fast clip, but capitalism itself was still in many ways a young system capable of accepting and even encouraging social reform. The Protocols were clearly written with the intent of smearing those who carried on such social movements of reform and revolution by insinuating that they were merely tools in a hidden agenda. But whatever hidden agendas may be carried on today, we can be certain that they will bear little or no parallel to the future society projected in the Protocols.
Thanks for an enlightening
and reasoned presentation, Gret.
Happy Everything to you and yours.
happy stuff to you too laz!
i don't exactly celebrate anything, except maybe the earth turning that corner that means more light for us mortals every day... so happy solstice everyone--it is today I think. Oh, and happy Truthmas, too!
Don’t worry Gretavo,
I wasn’t getting all “New Agey†on you. I was referring to Bruce’s all-purpose holiday card – “Happy Everything, Now Leave Me Alone Until Next Year!†But all the best to you and your fam. God Bless Real Truther, and may a special romantic-political partner be sent to you in the New Year. See you at the barricades next year, buddy. It’s gonna be intense.
And for the visitors from intelligence agencies,
“Barricades†and intensity of activism are being referred to here in a purely symbolic, literary way. We at this site do not advocate violent revolution, but we do advocate non-violent political activism against the lies and the injustices of the present, and that in itself is a struggle. I just thought that for new visitors and interested parties coming to this site, I felt that this was something that was deserving of more clarification. Have a good holiday and peace to all ya.
Leland Rocks!!!!
"It is ridiculous to suggest that because of Doug Feith's creation of the fabricated WMD intelligence, American Jews should suffer, but if American Jews with political ability do not take a leading role in exposing this sordid story, we may justifiably end up as suspected collaborators..."
he calls for American Jews to take a leading role...this is what i have been praying for!
thank you for this beautiful gift, JPass!!!
Merry Christmas, truthers! k
I think Leland looks like - hey, where's GodSend?
Jesus, or what Jesus may have looked like, or what Kate would like to believe Jesus may have looked like, or what he would look like if he had returned....yeah, i think i'll just believe. it's making my holiday brighter...
hope this man and his lovely family are in safe-keeping. there's a picture somewhere, which i can't seem to find now, of him holding his little girl and gazing off...awesome!
http://www.mothermedia.org/2008platform.htm
http://www.middleeast.org/forum/fb-public/1/38.shtml
http://www.democracyfornewmexico.com/democracy_for_new_mexico/2007/11/leland-lehrman.html
this today from "prothink"
Saturday, December 22, 2007
Iran, NIE, Pre-Emptive Strikes, Ron Paul, Controlled Oppostion and Disinformation
http://www.prothink.org/2007/12/iran-nie-pre-emptive-strikes-ron-paul.ht...