America’s Entry into the First World War & the Balfour Declaration

This is actually the first section of Part Three of “Wired for Terror: On the Trail of the Men Who Brought Down the Towers,†but while I am putting the rest of it together over the holidays, I thought that I would post the very beginning of Part Three now as it concerns the Balfour Declaration, and seemed to be such a lively topic of conversation here just a few weeks back. Happy Holidays. Peace to you and yours.
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How a Single Sentence Can Change the Course of a Century
With the publishing of Der Judenstaat (“The Jewish Stateâ€) in 1896 and the founding of the World Zionist Organization (WZO) in Basel, Switzerland the following year by Theodor Herzl and his colleagues, plans to somehow acquire Palestine in order to establish a Jewish State began developing. With the land of Palestine under the control of the Islamic Ottoman Empire, however, there was little hope of convincing Sultan ‘Abd al-Hamid II to just give away a piece of the Empire to a small organization of European Jews operating under the impression that an ancient Canaanite deity named Yahweh(1) had given Palestine to their tribal ancestors as an eternal real estate holding. With the outbreak of the First World War on July 28, 1914, however, the opportunity to make a deal for Palestine with the allied powers of the Triple Entente (Britain, France, and Russia) would soon avail itself to the new Zionist movement.
During the first half of the First World War, the policymakers within the British war cabinet in London gave no credence to Palestine as a place of strategic value in the Middle East. By the summer of 1916, however, the Triple Entente was beginning to sense their own vulnerabilities and began looking upon defeat as a possible outcome of their endeavors. On the western front, the Allied losses were three men for every two losses for the Germans, and Allied shipping was taking a serious beating because of constant German submarine attacks. If the Allies were to win the war, they would need to bring in the Americans. At this time, a politically well-connected, Oxford-educated Armenian named James Malcolm approached his good friend in the British Foreign Office, Sir Mark Sykes, with an idea. Sykes had previously expressed to him that the British Cabinet was seriously considering how it might bring the U.S. into the war “to win this thing.†Malcolm told him that, “you are going the wrong way about it. You can win the sympathy of certain politically minded Jews everywhere, and especially in the United States, in one way only, and that is by offering to try and secure Palestine for them.â€(2)
SYKES-PICOT: DIVIDING UP THE OTTOMAN PIE
Palestine was indeed on Sykes mind, but he was not then considering it in the same light that he soon would. In late October 1915, the British had begun discussions with their French allies on the prospective partitioning of the Middle Eastern land holdings of the Ottoman Empire, if and when the Entente was able to win the First World War. Out of these discussions came the “Sykes-Picot Agreement,†officially ratified in May 1916, and named after its principal negotiators, Georges Picot, representing French interests, and Sir Mark Sykes, representing the interests of the British. The French wanted all of Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine, while the British sought to carve out a contiguous belt of territory from the eastern Mediterranean through Iraq, and encompassing southern Iran and the entire Persian Gulf (Russia only wanted northern Iran). This new British territory would be added on to all of Egypt and the Sinai, which they already controlled by 1914 as a “British Protectorate.†During these negotiations, the British gave the French what they wanted with regards to Lebanon and Syria, but in order to block French control of Palestine, Sykes sought to “internationalize†it, and to appease the French for the “loss,†he included the oil-rich area of Mosul in Northern Iraq as part of French Syria, which was to be administered by the Arabs, but under French control. All territory was divided up as either under direct European control and rule, or under European “influence,†but administered by the Arabs.(3)
LORD CREWE, A MAN AHEAD OF THE CURVE
Even before the Allied losses began their toll upon the alliance in the summer of 1916, a man ahead of the political and strategic curve, Lord Crewe, on March 11, 1916, communicated to the British ambassadors under his control in Petrograd and Paris that they propose to the other members of the Entente – Russia and France – a plan to sell their respective Jewish communities on the idea that if they gave their full support to the Allied war effort, Britain would back the Zionists’ national aspirations. He wrote at the time, the “Zionist idea has in it the most far-reaching political possibilities, for we might hope to use it in such a way as to bring over to our side the Jewish forces in America, the East [i.e. Russia] and elsewhere which are now largely, if not preponderantly hostile to us.â€(4) In this regard, it is important to remember that this is the period in Germany and Austria before the rise of the Nazis. A great many of the Jewish immigrants to America in the late 19th and early 20th centuries were from both Germany and Russia. While the German Jews still loved their homeland, the Russian Jews hated the Czar and his pogroms. The Russian Jews in 1916-America were not about to support Britain, an ally of Czarist Russia, and likewise, the German Jews were not about to give any enthusiastic support to Britain, France, or Russia against Germany and Austria. These many intertwining histories, alliances and sympathies are very important to keep in mind when looking at this period of history.
1917 AND CHANGES OF GOVERNMENT
At the end of 1916, David Lloyd George became the new prime minister of Britain as the government of Herbert Henry Asquith fell. Lloyd George was genuinely sympathetic to Zionism and promoted the Zionists’ cause only four months into his leadership in order to persuade the new revolutionary government in Russia, many of whom were Jews, to remain supportive of Czarist Russia’s military commitments to the alliance. Although the London Zionists were fully aware that there was no Russian Jewish support for the Allied cause against Germany and its alliances, they nonetheless encouraged Lloyd George anyways, so that he would provide his full support to the pro-Zionist declaration that Chaim Weizmann and Lord Lionel Walter Rothschild began developing at that time in concert with Lord Balfour and others.(5) Aside from the hope that Russia would not leave the alliance, this support of the Zionist cause for a Jewish homeland in Palestine was also believed by the British to be helpful in encouraging prominent American Jews to persuade President Woodrow Wilson to bring America into the war on the side of the Entente.(6)
A ONE-MAN POLITICAL LOBBY
Leading the British lobbying effort on behalf of the World Zionist Organization (WZO) for granting Palestine to world Jewry was a man named Chaim Weizmann, who would later become the first president of the state of Israel, and remain in that post until his death in 1952. He was born in southern Russia in 1874 and became a British subject in 1910. From the start of the 20th century he became involved in the work of the World Zionist Organization (WZO), and was elected to its presidency twice in 1920-31 and 1935-46. In 1904 he received his PhD in chemistry from the University of Geneva in Switzerland, and in 1908 received a professorship at the University of Manchester in England. In 1916 he began working for the British government conducting research into advanced methods of munitions manufacturing.(7) While teaching in Manchester, he convinced influential gentleman such as C.P. Scott, the editor of the Manchester Guardian, of the worthiness of the Zionist national project, and during the War, in his employ with the British government, Weizmann brought other influential British ministers to his side, such as Sir Mark Sykes. He was able to persuasively blend the interests of Zionism as being both beneficial to, and compatible with, the interests of Britain. He was a formidable one-man lobby unto himself. (8)
Although British support for Zionism and the Balfour Declaration contained the ingredients of strategic short-term and long-term imperial interests, the British statesmen, such as Balfour, Lloyd George, and Sykes, who sympathized with the arguments of Weizmann and his colleagues, also did so out of a Christian cultural attachment to the Old Testament and the land of its origins, as well as out of pure human guilt for the European Christian treatment of the Jews. Chaim Weizmann, naturally skilled in the art of diplomacy, in private interviews with these influential gentlemen, was able to address his listeners’ religious, moral, or strategic interests, and harmonize them with the interests of Zionism. Sir Charles Webster remembers the persuasive, diplomatic skills of Mr. Weizmann and how he, “with unerring skill...adapted his arguments to the special circumstances of each statesman.â€(9) It is the consensus of most historians that without Chaim Weizmann there would have been no Balfour Declaration.
C.P. SCOTT, PRESIDENT WOODROW WILSON AND U.S. “ISOLATIONISMâ€
C.P. Scott, the influential editor of the Manchester Guardian, was not only a close confidant of Chaim Weizmann, but was also good friends with British Prime Minister David Lloyd George. He believed that the support of the Zionists, and thus the support of world Jewry, would bring benefit to the Jews and, at the same time, serve Britain’s short-term and long-term strategic interests with regards to the immediate war effort and future efforts to maintain control and protection over the Suez Canal. Simultaneous control over both Egypt and Palestine would assure the imperial preservation of the Canal – His Majesty’s lifeline to the other side of the Empire in India, Burma, and the East.(10)
On December 18, 1916, in a speech which rattled the nerves of the British war cabinet and the European Zionist lobby, U.S. President Woodrow Wilson called for an end to the senseless carnage in Europe by saying that what must be sought is a “peace without victory.†As would be expressed later in his historic “Fourteen Points Speech†delivered to the U.S. Congress on January 8, 1918, Wilson understood the moral problems of colonialism and imperialism, and gave his support to the ideas of ethnic and national self-determination, autonomy, and territorial integrity for both large and small states equally.(11) Understanding Wilson’s sympathies and positions on these matters, it was Chaim Weizmann’s friend, C.P. Scott, who suggested to the British cabinet that they justify the upcoming Fall 1917 campaign to occupy Palestine as being one conducted on behalf of world Jewry and Zionist national aspirations for self-determination and autonomy. In this way, the American Jews close to Wilson could explain to him the upcoming British occupation in these terms so that he would give support to it, and that it might further encourage him to provide American military support to the Entente’s war efforts.(12) Louis Brandeis, head of the Zionist organization in the United States and a U.S. Supreme Court Justice was encouraged by Weizmann and Sykes to persuade his close friend, President Woodrow Wilson, to bring America into the war, provide the Jewish people with a homeland, and snatch victory from the jaws of certain defeat for Britain and the Free World. Other American Zionist powerbrokers, such as Paul Warburg (the founder of the private bank known as the “Federal Reserve Bankâ€), Jacob Schiff, and Bernard Baruch also met with the President on these matters. In April 1917, the U.S. officially declared war on Germany, but President Wilson only initially sent over a small, token military force (see: Vietnam). It was not until nine months later, in January 1918, two months after the Balfour Declaration, that large U.S. military units would arrive in Europe to assist the British and French in the fighting.(13)
REVOLUTION AND SIR MARK SYKES AS MASTER JUGGLER
Before the big British campaign into Palestine in the autumn of 1917 could commence, however, revolution was in the air inside Russia, and the outcome was not looking favorable to the Allied cause. The now historic 1917 Russian Revolution consisted of two insurrections: one in March, which toppled the Czarist monarchy and established a republic, and the second in November, which put the Bolsheviks in power. In March 1917, the new Russian republic was already rejecting the imperialist plans of dividing territories after the Great War, and by the time the Bolsheviks seized power in November 1917, the Triple Entente was down to two members – Britain and France. The Bolsheviks in December signed a peace agreement with the Germans, and after the French Army staged a temporary mutiny in the spring of 1917, the British were lucky to have anyone fighting beside them at all. A thumbs up on the question of Jewish nationalism was suddenly the obvious way to promote needed support for the war effort in Russia, France, and the United States.(14) After the “Great War,†Sir Winston Churchill remarked, “The Balfour Declaration must, therefore, not be regarded as a promise given from sentimental motives; it was a practical measure taken in the interests of a common cause at a moment when that cause could afford to neglect no factor of material or moral assistance.â€(15)
Through the summer and autumn of 1917, intelligence rumours circulated that the Germans were about to make their own pro-Zionist proclamation to entice Russia to leave the war. Later, Prime Minister Lloyd George confirmed the intelligence, saying: “There is no better proof of the value of the Balfour Declaration as a military move than the fact that Germany entered into negotiations with Turkey [the controllers of Palestine] in an endeavor to provide an alternative scheme which would appeal to the Zionists.â€(16) In response to this situation, there was a meeting of the British war cabinet on the last day of October in 1917, and at this meeting, Lord Balfour presented the following argument in favor of an immediate pro-Zionist declaration by His Majesty’s government:
“From a purely diplomatic and political point of view, it was desirable that some declaration favorable to the aspirations of the Jewish nationalists should now be made. The vast majority of Jews in Russia and America, as indeed all over the world, now appeared to be favorable to Zionism. If we could make a declaration favorable to such an ideal, we should be able to carry on extremely useful propaganda both in Russia and in America.â€(17)
For the British to simultaneously take Palestine by the late Autumn of 1917, and appeal to President Wilson’s anti-imperialist concerns, both the French and the Americans would need to be finessed. In 1917, as Assistant Secretary to the war cabinet to oversee Middle Eastern affairs, Mark Sykes would have to find a way to amend his own Sykes-Picot Agreement. He thus came to view the government’s alliance with British Zionism as “providing a way to outmanoeuvre the French without breaking faith, and a useful card at the future peace conference to play against any move by Germany to rally the German-oriented and Turcophile Jews to buttress her claim for a role in the region.â€(18) To appease Wilson and the Americans, the British seizure of Palestine would be done to support the idea of Jewish self-determination in Palestine, and thus “provided a cloak under which Britain could appear free from any annexationist taint.â€(19) The appeasement of French concerns was achieved in June 1917 when the French foreign minister Jules Combon told Sykes that his government supported “the renaissance of Jewish nationality†in Palestine, if only to encourage the Jews of Russia to persuade their new provisional government to keep Russian forces fighting for the triple alliance.(20)
THE BALFOUR DECLARATION
In June of 1917 the British government invited the titular leader of the Jewish community in Britain, Lord Lionel Walter Rothschild, to submit official Jewish proposals regarding Palestine.(21) Five months later, on November 2, 1917, British Foreign Minister, Arthur J. Balfour signed and delivered an official letter to Lord Rothschild. The official declaration within this letter, which became known as the Balfour Declaration, comprised three integral concepts in a single sentence. The letter stated in full:
Dear Lord Rothschild,
I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty’s Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.
“His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.â€
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.
Yours,
Arthur James Balfour (22)
Between June and November of 1917, intensive discussions took place, and a single declaratory sentence became a composite of three separate, vented concerns regarding a single international situation, the ramifications of which haunt us and torture us to this very day. Chaim Weizmann lobbied for the phrase, “the reconstitution of Palestine as a Jewish State and as the National Home of the Jewish People.†Weizmann objected to the idea of the establishment of a Jewish national home “in Palestine,†for then that would allow for the Arab majority to administer the state. His demand was, “give the Arabs all the guarantees they like for cultural autonomy; but the State must be Jewish.â€(23) Despite the establishment of a Jewish State over the whole of Palestine as having been the original Zionist objective, Lord Rothschild, in consultation with other Zionist leaders, felt that Weizmann was asking for too much, too soon, and overruled him with the phrasing of Palestine being recognized by the British as “the National Home of the Jewish People, and that in Palestine, the World Zionist Organization (WZO) would be accepted by them as an autonomous, self-governing body.(24)
The second clause of the Balfour Declaration was lobbied for inclusion by Lord Milner, a member of the cabinet who felt that in the land of Palestine the Jewish people should be allowed to find a shelter and a home, but he objected to the Jews all of a sudden forming an instant, unitary “nationhood†and demanding possession of the entire land of Palestine. He asked that it be “clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, i.e. the Arab Muslims and Christians which made up 92% of the Palestinian population in 1917. It is interesting how the 92% majority population of Palestine is referred to as the “existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,†giving the illusion of an insignificant minority, one subordinate to the new incoming Jewish “majority.†Lord Milner lobbied for the insertion of this simple phrase out of his concern for not only the welfare of the Arab Palestinians, but also out of concern for British interests in Egypt and India.(25) In tracing the Balfour Declaration’s final developmental stages, Isaiah Friedman points out that Lord Milner’s original phraseology, asking the Zionists to respect the “political, civil, and religious rights†of the majority population was edited out in the final version, and replaced with the guaranteed protection of “civil and religious†rights only. The idea behind this edit was that when the Zionist community attained to majority status, “political rights†would be theirs alone.(26)
The last clause of the declarative sentence known as the Balfour Declaration – “it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice...the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country,†was there because of Edwin Montagu, the only Jew in the British war cabinet, and as Theodore Herzl would have derisively called him, an “assimilated Jew.†Montagu was Secretary of State for India, and while lobbying for the inclusion of this third clause, was in fact entirely against the Zionist national project altogether. He felt that the establishment of a “Jewish†state in Palestine would define Jews as a “separate nation,†and that this in turn would threaten the long-established communities of Jews who had assimilated into the societies where they had long lived as citizens. Judaism to Montgu was a religion and a culture, not a “nation.†He believed strongly that emphasizing the distinctiveness of the Jews as a separate “nation,†might give rise to a new era of European anti-Semitism. Charges of dual-loyalty would surely arise and be exacerbated by British support of Zionist nationalism. British Jews, he feared, might be asked to renounce their citizenship and move to the new “Jewish†State.(27) Commenting on the third clause of the Balfour Declaration, the Palestinian Christian scholar Sami Hadawi wrote, “This latter protective clause gave the Jews the homeland of another people while safeguarding their own rights in their countries of origin!â€(28)
While the Zionists were always quick to quote the Balfour Declaration’s statement that “His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object,†they were not always so quick to cite the second part of the sentence which says, “It being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,†i.e. the Muslim and Christian inhabitants which made up 92% of the population in 1917.(29)
NOVEMBER 3, 1917, THE BALFOUR DECLARATION PROPAGANDA CAMPAIGN COMMENCES
The promotion department went into high gear on the very next day following Lord Lionel Walter Rothschild’s receipt of a letter upon which was written a single sentence, and signed by the hand of Lord Arthur James Balfour on behalf of His Majesty’s government. German and Austrian troops were bombarded by leaflets falling from the sky announcing that the Entente supported Jewish self-determination, and that Jews should look to the Entente. The Jews of Russia celebrated the Balfour Declaration, however, the Bolsheviks, after taking power five days later on November 7, 1917, soon took Russia out of the Triple Entente by the middle of December. In America, Jewish groups began the immediate organization of a campaign to promote a greater commitment by the United States to the war effort, which until January of 1918 had only committed a token force of men, and primarily concentrated on supplying the Allied powers with the supplies needed for Allied war efforts. The Balfour Declaration-driven pro-war campaign seemed to work, because in January of 1918 President Woodrow Wilson was convinced that entering the war was the proper thing to do, and it was at that time that he finally agreed to commit large detachments of American troops to the battle.(30)
Concerning America’s entry into the First World War, it may seem provocative or controversial to say it was due to Zionist influence on the American president, yet this arrangement between the Zionist movement and the British government was quite explicitly expressed by former British Prime Minister David Lloyd George when he appeared in 1937 before the Palestine Royal (Peel) Commission. In paragraph sixteen of the Report it is stated, “The Zionist leaders (Mr. Lloyd George informed us) gave us a definite promise that, if the Allies committed themselves to giving facilities for the establishment of a national home for the Jews in Palestine, they would do their best to rally Jewish sentiment and support throughout the world to the Allied cause. They kept their word.â€(31)
After understanding the history of the Balfour Declaration and the promotional campaign it inspired to bring America into the First World War, it is fascinating to look around in today’s modern world of mass media and political think-tankdom and take note of who the loudest drumbeaters always are, and have been, for the wars against Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc. After all, it was Binyamin Netanyahu who originally coined and trademarked the phrase “War on Terror†back in ’85.
Tune in next time, same station, for the rest of Part Three A:
Palestine – The Balfour Declaration to the Zionist “War of Independenceâ€
1. America’s Entry into the First World War & the Balfour Declaration (posted here)
2. 1930-1949, Two Decades of Zionist Terrorism in Palestine
2a. Vladimir Jabotinsky, “Betar,†“the Irgun,†and the Zionist Revisionist Movement
2b. The Zionist Underground: History, Ideology and Operations
3. The Weissmandl documents – “Zionists brought us to the Holocaust.â€
And Part Three B: Post-World War II – The Art of the International Zionist False Flag Operation.
(1) Gordon, Cyrus H, Ugarit and Minoan Crete: The Bearing of Their Texts on the Origins of Western Culture. New York: W.W. Norton. 1966, p. 61.
In a translation of Canaanite religious poetry from the Ugaritic language, the supreme deity of the Canaanite pantheon El sits in his festival house and declares, “The name of my son is Yw-El,†and all the gods proclaimed him. Professor Cyrus H. Gordon of Brandeis University writes in his footnote to this verse: “Yw-El is the son of the head of the pantheon. This suggests that ‘Yahweh’ (‘Yw’) was originally El’s son in pre-Israelite Canaan. It is unusual for a younger god to eclipse the older gods in the development of religion. In other words, just as Zeus eclipsed his father Cronus, Yahweh eclipsed his father El. Subsequently, Hebrew monotheism necessitated the identification of Yahweh with El.â€
(2) Malcolm, James, Origins of the Balfour Declaration. Zionist Archives. pp. 2-3. Cited in Sami Hadawi, Bitter Harvest: A Modern History of Palestine. New York: Olive Branch Press. 1991, p. 12.
(3) Wise, Stephen & De Haas, Jacob, The Great Betrayal. New York: Brentano’s. 1930, p. 288.
(4) Lloyd George, David, Memoirs of the Peace Conference, Vol. II. New Haven: Yale University Press. 1939, p. 738.
(5) Zipperstein, Steven J., Elusive Prophet: Ahad Ha’am and the Origins of Zionism. Berkeley: University of California Press. 1993, p. 301.
(6) Smith, Charles D., Palestine and the Arab-Israeli Conflict: A History with Documents, 4th Edition. Boston-New York: Bedford/St. Martin’s. 2001, p. 71.
(7) Encyclopedia of World History,†ed. Patrick K. O’Brien, et al. New York: Facts on File, Inc. 2000, pp. 434-35.
(8) Smith, Charles D., Palestine and the Arab-Israeli Conflict: A History with Documents, 4th Edition. Boston-New York: Bedford/St. Martin’s. 2001, p. 71.
(9) Webster, Sir Charles K., The Art and Practice of Diplomacy. London: Chatto & Windus. 1961, pp. 5-6.
(10) Smith, Charles D., Palestine and the Arab-Israeli Conflict: A History with Documents, 4th Edition. Boston-New York: Bedford/St. Martin’s. 2001, p. 73.
(11) Dictionary of Historic Documents, (Rev. Ed.). George Childs Kohn (Ed.). New York: Facts on File. 2003, pp. 159-60.
(12) Smith, Charles D., Palestine and the Arab-Israeli Conflict: A History with Documents, 4th Edition. Boston-New York: Bedford/St. Martin’s. 2001, p. 73.
(13) Ibid. p. 74.
(14) Ibid. p. 74.
(15) Ibid. pp. 67-8.
(16) Friedman, Isaiah, The Question of Palestine, 1914-1918: British-Jewish-Arab Relations. New York: Routledge. 1973, p. 57.
(17) Smith, Charles D., Palestine and the Arab-Israeli Conflict: A History with Documents, 4th Edition. Boston-New York: Bedford/St. Martin’s. 2001, p. 75.
(18) Friedman, Isaiah, The Question of Palestine, 1914-1918: British-Jewish-Arab Relations. New York: Routledge. 1973, p. 126.
(19) Ibid. p. 175.
(20) Smith, Charles D., Palestine and the Arab-Israeli Conflict: A History with Documents, 4th Edition. Boston-New York: Bedford/St. Martin’s. 2001, p. 74.
(21) Ibid. p. 74.
(22) Ibid. p. 75.
(23) Ibid. p. 74.
(24) Friedman, Isaiah, The Question of Palestine, 1914-1918: British-Jewish-Arab Relations. New York: Routledge. 1973, pp. 252-53.
(25) Smith, Charles D., Palestine and the Arab-Israeli Conflict: A History with Documents, 4th Edition. Boston-New York: Bedford/St. Martin’s. 2001, p. 75.
(26) Friedman, Isaiah, The Question of Palestine, 1914-1918: British-Jewish-Arab Relations. New York: Routledge. 1973, pp. 275-80.
(27) Smith, Charles D., Palestine and the Arab-Israeli Conflict: A History with Documents, 4th Edition. Boston-New York: Bedford/St. Martin’s. 2001, p. 75.
(28) Hadawi, Sami, Bitter Harvest: A Modern History of Palestine. New York: Olive Branch Press. 1991, p. 13.
(29) Ibid. p. 13.
(30) Smith, Charles D., Palestine and the Arab-Israeli Conflict: A History with Documents, 4th Edition. Boston-New York: Bedford/St. Martin’s. 2001, p. 76.
(31) Palestine Royal (Peel) Commission Report CMD 5479. London. 1946, p. 17.
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thank you, dear lazlo
for your research and writing, k
+1 Lazlo's research is what
+1 Lazlo's research is what I try to spread to other folks about 9-11. The best I can find on the net.
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^^^that's me. Mr Anonymous (below) ought to register already
three cheers for dr toth!
I can't argue with keeping the narrative as tight and concise as you have, Laz, but I would encourage people to look into the sinking of the Lusitania and what prompted it, as well as the mysterious "Colonel" House who seems to have had so much influence over ol'Woodcock WIlson...
The myth of Colonel House as
The myth of Colonel House as a secret controller of Wilson is carefully diagnosed here by Will Banyan in Chapter 1.3:
http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/third_section/FOSDICK_OCT_2005.html
Damn G
Colonel House! I knew there was somebody I forgot about. I 'll have to go back to the pile 'o files and find the Colonel House stuff.
Thanks All for your support and kind comments, and for taking the time to read all this history stuff.
Lazlo
For an item whose title
For an item whose title carries the phase "America's Entry into the First World War" this piece actually says very little about how the US entered WWI. It lacks dates in a very bad way. The reader who does not already know that the US entered the war in April 1917 would not be aware of that from looking at this piece. It also depends heavily on generic statements which don't say much such as Lloyd George's comment that:
“The Zionist leaders (Mr. Lloyd George informed us) gave us a definite promise that, if the Allies committed themselves to giving facilities for the establishment of a national home for the Jews in Palestine, they would do their best to rally Jewish sentiment and support throughout the world to the Allied cause. They kept their word.â€
This statement nothing about US entry into the war but is simply broad and generic, meaning a lot of things. No doubt it is true that as one further pile of sand upon a huge mountain of steady efforts to steer US opinion towards entering the war, it would have occurred that to Britain that the Balfour declararation might bring in a few more constituents.
However the article gives the reader a clearly false impression with assertions such as:
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ith such catchy slogans as “Beat Back the Huns,†in America, Jewish groups organized a campaign to promote a greater commitment by the United States to the war effort
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In fact, anyone who knows anything about the performance of the US media in the First World War will be aware that such an anti-German orientation was present in the US media from the very first days of the war. No one has ever documented any serious change in the way that the media treated such issues as a response to the Balfour declaration. Look up the Bryce Report if you want a sampling of British propaganda. This was prepared in 1915 and accused the Germans of barbaric atrocities wherever they went. They US media totally swallowed it. The news-reading public was being fed such stories as Germans cutting off the hands of Belgian babies from the very start of the war.
Overall this reads like a piece by someone who didn't really research the record of events leading to the US entry into WWI but simply began with a fixed thesis that the Balfour declaration was the cause and therefore began looking for statements which might imply that it had some generic relation to such. That's not really a serious way of deciding how and why did the US enter the war.
[bruce here: I approved this comment, regardless of it falling short on the very aspect it criticizes. Free speech ftw.]
Mr. Mouse, this is not meant as
Mr. Mouse,
This is not meant as an article about the Varied Reasons for the U.S. Entry into WWI.It is about the initial history of what could be termed Zionist influence on U.S. foreign policy. Neither is it an article which is trying to imply that “the Jews†started WWI or “the Jews†got America into WWI. As I’ve pointed out elsewhere, the sad history is that it has always appeared to have been a case of the minority Zionist leadership that have used “the Jews†to cover their own operations and inquiries into them. The general thesis, however, is that, much like today’s situation in Washington, D.C., where the disastrous influence of a small cabal of dangerously deluded ideologues have been able to influence a presidency, similarly, at the beginning of this century the ideological ancestors of this very same group were also given White House access, and America ended up in WWI.
The general idea behind this piece was not to analyze all the variegated historical minutae surrounding Woodrow Wilson’s decision process in January 1918 to finally commit U.S. troops to Europe in more than just token form, as he had been doing since April 1917. The U.S. was never really in the war until the beginning of 1918 (see references at end of article). This article is about the effect of a single tripartite sentence known as the Balfour Declaration and its role as an element in play within decisions being made on American foreign policy, and the decisions that an American president made with regards to those particular elements in play. As history repeats itself, and as it is always good to pay attention to current events if one sees troubling patterns in the present, this story is historically, highly relevant to events of late, specifically from the beginning of the year 2001, but most assuredly stretching back in time farther than that. In fact 1930s, 1940s Palestine is where we are turning our attention for the next part of the article. A lot of the information I will be discussing in that section comes from the respected research of a very distinguished historian at Hebrew University of Jerusalem.
Regarding your mention of the vagueness of statements: When you are dealing with the movements, statements, and documents from turn of the century British statesmanship and diplomacy, you have to learn to read between the lines a bit. They will never spell anything out precisely and completely. Even Mark Sykes admitted that he carefully worded the Sykes-Picot Agreement with points of vagueness so as to build into the document small exit strategies, such as when he got the French to agree with the Zionists’ plan for Palestine so that he could get out of the British commitment to keep Palestine “internationalized,†which, as far as the Brits were concerned, gave them the ol’ green light to launch the 1917 Fall campaign to seize Palestine without worrying about ticking off their soon-to-be only remaining ally. In fact the entire phenomenon of the lobbying for, the development of, and the promotion of the Balfour Declaration has to often be understood by reading between the lines. In the subtle, multi-leveled mixture of wartime diplomacy and intelligence, the statements we have are what we have, and you will find that all these statements are recorded in reputable sources. In composition, they are vague on purpose, and can be interpreted in several ways. That is the nature of diplomatic declarations, and I am not saying that you are unaware of this. I am merely stating it as part of the picture.
I am trying to tell here the Balfour Declaration story as best as I can, fairly complete, yet concise enough so as not to be too long for a blog post, and in doing so, I have not strayed into material not backed up by academically professional, acceptable sources. If you want to read the more detailed history of the back and forth editorial development of the Balfour document, for example, you should read Isaiah Friedman’s book (see References) – very detailed, many pages. I am not trying to write here the definitive history of the Balfour Declaration either.
As far as dates are concerned, go back and collect them. I seem to remember putting a lot in and double/triple checking them along with their sources. I have tried to tell the story as chronologically as possible. Go back and make a chart. I am sure you will see the reason behind the order of things. Also, with history, its movements and sections do not operate on a single day-by-day precise date basis anyways. We’re not trying to micromanage history here. :)
Thanks for the tip about the Bryce Report. I will look into the media machinations more precisely. It was not my purpose to do a big report on mass media. Anti-German propaganda would, of course, be natural within the media of a society that is at war with Germany and Austro-Hungary, etc, such as Britain, France, and Russia, or the new partner, the U.S. was soon to be. Perhaps an entire article should be done on the media atmosphere and goings on in 1917 America. The real points of influence though were with Schiff, Warburg, Brandeis, et al. I do not believe it is historically improbable or unreasonable to look at these events and, as many have pointed out in much more detail, see the moral tying of the idea of giving self-determination to the Jewish nationalists in an era of romanticist national liberation movements (see Garibaldi, Mazzini, et al) to the notion that such an idea was participating as a catalyst of influence in the mental decision making processes of an American president who was for all practical purposes at the time an isolationist and an anti-imperialist. Did the Palestinian homeland, Jewish self-determination angle provide his mind with a moral justification for plunging the U.S. into the First World War -- a war he seemed to believe was a war to end all wars? I strongly believe it did, as do many historians. The British war cabinet and the British Zionists were well aware of Wilson’s anti-imperialist, colonial “self-determination†leanings, and felt that the Zionism angle might help persuade him to join the Entente, and at the time, this Triple Entente was down to only two members. There is also, as Gretavo mentioned above, all sorts of information connected with the sinking of the Lusitania on May 7, 1915 – 1200 drowned, 128 U.S. citizens among the dead – contributed to anti-German feelings or anti-Teutonicism in the U.S., and yes this was also a helpful ‘on the street’ factor for priming the U.S. for eventual war with Germany and co. And there are stories of Wilson being subject to some type of blackmail situation because of an affair he was having. I couldn’t at the moment find any strong sources on these things, so I did not mention them or include them. I feel the above story stands on its own, and I will let the reader come to his or her own conclusions regarding the meanings of sometimes vague statements of British diplomacy and foreign policy declarations.
Cheers.
Well I really never said a
Well I really never said a single thing about "the Jews." That's your injection. I've simply pointed out that you've distorted the historical facts on some key points.
The fact is though that if we review carefully the record of the US entry into World War I, and I had mentioned the once popular book of Walter Millis, THE ROAD TO WAR (one can find even more technical books on the same subject), then it becomes apparent that the historical record shows that the push for the US to enter the war on the side of Britain began early on and had little to do with Schiff, Warburg or any of the other names popularized by Benjamin Freedman, Eustace Mullins, et al. If one were to pick out a single name that was clearly associated with the anti-German push in the media it would be J.P. Morgan. Morgan was openly pro-British from the very start of the war, and the media treatment of the war was also pro-British. But the media's pro-Brit bias was more than just the work of J.P. Morgan or anyone else on Wall Street. It was a consequence of the fact that US newspapers had not in 1914 developed a qualified staff for interviewing at length not only Germans but French and Russians as well. The US media's picture of the war was simply copied from the British press. Most of the people managing the US media at that time were so naturally pro-Brit that it never even occurred to them that they should seek to in any way be independent of Britain when reporting.
You attached a great deal of importance to some select quotes of British leaders who in the process of mentioning the Balfour declaration as a technique for appealing to Russian Jews also mention world Jewry and even sometimes make a mention of America. One should be very wary of attempting to use such casual comments as a means of determining the causes of US entry into WWI. For one thing, the actual events around the Balfour declaration make it clear that British leaders suffered from a great many misconceptions as to what the Balfour declaration would mean. The documentary record clearly shows that the principal British aim in making the declaration was to keep Russia in the war and the British leadership presumed that Russian Zionists would have enough influence to achieve this. They badly overestimated the influence of Russian Zionists however. For that reason one should be wary of attaching too much importance to a statement by British leaders which mentions world Jewry and even America side-by-side with the Balfour declaration. Statements like that can tell us something about British leaders conceptualized the world, and even badly misconceptualized it as the errors made around Russia show. But too really determine what brought the US into WWI we will do better to ignore such comments by British leaders and focus on histories which detail the sequence of political events from 1914 onward to the declaration of war in 1917. This declaration took place at a time when Wilson knew nothing about the possibility of a Balfour declaration and there's no evidence to suggest that Schiff or Warburg somehow caused him to declare war.
not everything has to be a dissertation
It is narratives like this that can get people interested and also point them in the right (or someone's idea of the right) direction. As much respect and gratitude as I have for the efforts of the pseudonymous Dr. Toth, I would never suggest to anyone that they take his version of anything at face value. Instead, read and understand where he''s coming from, and the facts he thinks are important enough to share. Then do more reading, from varied sources but for God's sake not just "bestseller" sources. Look for sources written in different time periods and THEN decide what you think about the subject. This kind of broad approach is the way to go beyond learning mere timelines and getting to an understanding not just of what happened in the past but how others throughout time and across viewpoints have portrayed it. This is not at all intended as any kind of critique of Lazlo's piece, mind you, just of the way that hobgoblin-ridden little minds might take issue with things that actually require them to think and engage the subject... rant over. time to chow...
Things don't have to be a
Things don't have to be a dissertation, but the would-be 911-truth movement sounds very silly when people repeat stories from history without checking facts and end up recycling a proven liar like Benjamin Freedman. What was the reference to "bestseller" all about? Oh, did you mean the fact that I had referred to Walter Millis, THE ROAD TO WAR, as one of the more popular books of its time? I was referring to the fact that THE NATION and a number of other progressive magazines of the 1930s had popularized the Millis book during their anti-intervention period. When Roosevelt began seeking a way to involve the US in WWII he had to overcome the sentiment which had been promoted by such books as the Millis book. But it certainly is not necessary to restrict oneself to that. Actually a more controversial name from that time was Harry Elmer Barnes. During World War I Barnes had been totally sucked into the theme that Britain was fighting to defend civilization. There's no indication that the Balfour declaration ever influenced him in this bias. Barnes was simply sucked in by British propaganda. Once the war had ended Barnes seems to have been hit with a sense that he was suddenly waking up. He very quickly became disillusioned with US entry into World War I and he became known as one of the leaders of the revisionist school of thought on the war. There are other names such as Ponsonby which you can look up which will shed further light on the whole revisionist school which developed into the 1930s. The only special virtue of the Millis book is that it was written for an audience of non-professionals to sum up the arguments which the revisionist school had reached on US entry into WWI. But by all means, feel free to investigate with much greater depth the whole school of revisionist history around WWI from that era. I can assure you, though, that you won't find very much to support the contention that the Balfour declaration played any type of key roll in the US entry into the war.
why we call them annoymice...
dude, whoever you are and whatever your deal is... you obviously have issues with people thinking for themselves. i suppose you wish people would believe that 9/11 was pulled off by Islamofascists, or that Americans landed on the moon and drove around in a little rover. I could add a few more things that I'm sure you're very upset to see people questioning these days. Well, get used to disappointment because once liars are exposed they tend to have a hard time regaining any semblance of credibility. Now I don't mean of course in your fantasy world where Bill Clinton is a "statesman" or John McCain a "war hero", I mean in the real world disconnected from the propaganda matrix. very few people read this particular blog and those who do are wise to the ways of the world so I'm not sure what you think you're accomplishing here. Maybe you're trying to elicit reactions that you can then link to on your own blog somewhere to convince someone of how "awful" truthers are. be my guest--it's the real world where we actually operate--the online stuff is mostly a dog and pony show put on by agents and shills so they can continue to collect a paycheck by looking busy. This is why you're going to lose--you have come to believe in your own BS and you have lost the hearts and minds of those you depended for so long on controlling and manipulating. You have no idea the changes that are in store--you are losing your grip and I know you know this and I know that it scares the bejeezus out of people like you. Hell, I don't blame you--I myself wonder how we're possibly going to undo all you've done especially since you don't seem to know when to quit. Let me clue you in to a little secret that very few people know (and since not too many people will be reading it here it is safe to reveal it: it's over. WE won. YOU lost. Ever play chess? Good players can identify a point in the game when the end result is a foregone conclusion--they say "mate-in-five" or whatever is appropriate. We're at that point now. At every step we will simply be moving you ever closer to your just desserts. At every step you will protest and claim that we are insane, etc. and try your best to fool us into thinking that you may be right, ot that indeed we are wasting our time. At one point I actually did worry--it was working for you in other words. But now it's just funny to see you all flopping about like fish in a bucket, seemingly unaware of what some of us now know for sure. It's over. Stop wasting your time. Go enjoy the rest of your life and try to forget what you've done, pal. Or, if you prefer to save face by going down with the ship then go ahead. It oesn't really matter at all to me what people like you end up doing. You are irrelevant now.
Holy shit, O Keenan doppleganger
That was pretty intensive G.
L.
yeah it's been a tough year for me
Is 2007 a prime number? In any case, I hope I didn't scare off the mouse--it's nice to have dissenting voices around. I'm just running out of patience with the kind of attitude s/he represents. In fact the whole argument about WWI merits an entire website of its own and part of me is just annoyed that someone is trying to shift the focus of debate from 9/11. I think this is an important point to make--until we have people STOP LYING through their teeth about 9/11 what point is there in debating anything else with them? Anyone who does not acknowledge reality in the case of 9/11 is just not worthy of engaging in debate on other subjects in my opinion. I have to walk around in my day to day life (at work at least) pretending that I don't have a problem with people who are in denial about 9/11 but otherwise think they are very very smart. There is so much that should be said there but can't be that I find myself venting online to poor unsuspecting rodentia. I am tired of this crap, really tired. Of course that is part of the cover-up psyop, to make us feel that resistance is futile, to count on us giving up, and so aside from the occasional mouse flame I think I do a good job of sublimating the many frustrations of being a truther. In a way it helps to have friends and family around me who, while in agreement, do not actually engage in activism. Without that anchor in the real world who knows where the winds of truth would end up taking me! Now if only we can hurry up in bringing reality back to the real world then we'll be all set and I can go back to strumming on the ol guitar and singing peace songs. As it is howzabout a virtual rendition of We Shall Overcome? COmeon, everybody now!
[virtual singalong]
-Gret
strumming and singing versus
researching, reading, arguing, blogging.... i hear you, Gretavo! i haven't practiced in a dog's age. nor have i been writing, although i have a great idea for a tone poem work....
very busy now as young spud returns from U of Rochester tomorrow, holiday stuff...but have noticed you have been in the ring over at truthaction quite a bit. i admire your fortitude!
i can't believe that by now more bloggers, supposed truthers, are not dealing with the heart of the matter. Keep prodding them about the affirming or denying the islamofascist evil muslim myth!!!! it's time.
amen, kate
i had a life once too... :)
Yeah at this point the "professional online so-called truthers" are beginning to grate on my nerves. Between them and the Ron Paulheads the online truth scene has become a bit of a joke. The key now is to spread the real truth OFFline so as to pre-empt the unveiling of the manufactured fake "truth movement" on an unwitting public.
It's ALL about the memes at this point: LIHOP, limited hangout, Patsystan, demolition, dancing Israelis, international bankers, divide and conquer, false left/right paradigm, etc. they are shortcuts to important points.
REPEAT REPEAT REPEAT!
It also dawned on me why the anti-demolition LIHOP people keep on about "best approaches to awakening people", etc. Because they in fact are all about pushing the WORST approach--that is to suggest to people that their government is treasonous and murderous. Yikes! True or not, to whatever extent, I think it is much easier to simply talk about buildings not being supposed to fall that way. A lady yesterday asked about my Truh Now sign and I explained that the twoers had explosives inside and she assumed I meant that the "terrorists must have gotten in somehow" but nonetheless she said that when it happened she had thought it very bizarre that the buildings just crumbled. Now THAT is a foot in the door that does not promote the Islamofascist myth, unlike the disingenuous "LIHOP leads to MIHOP" approach, which has been exposed as a trick whereby those pushing it would eventually see to it that LIHOP would NOT lead to MIHOP, or that MIHOP would be redefined as "the same as LIHOP", because "letting it happen made it happen", when the REAL point of LIHOP is as simple to explain as "Arab Muslim hijackers did it" as opposed to "Zionist real estate and mall developers did it with help from within (and without) the US and Israeli state apparatus" or another such more accurate description attributing importance primarily based on numbers of dead.
Sorry about that, Bruce
Sorry about that, Bruce 1337,
‘Doppelganger’ would be spelled doppel as in “double.†It was late at night and I slipped into English spelling “-le†vs. the “el†in German, which makes more sense phonetically and visually anyways, and yeah, if it’s precise engineering you are looking for in the products you buy, you have to go ‘German’ [referring back to your humorous comment from a while back]. Thanks for your hall monitoring work. Are we getting a lot of crazy hate mail? The closer we get, the more noivous they are becoming. The two ideas – Israel and 9/11 – can’t look good on your resume when you approach congress for another round of American foreign aid hand-outs. Its bad for PR, bad for business.
Did you know about the story Paul Findley tells about Israeli civilians and military-intelligence personnel just walking around the Pentagon removing things from people’s in-boxes with no one stopping them or saying a word, and these fifth columnists just walk away with the papers, photocopying them, and maybe returning them to the officer’s in-box if they get around to it. THESE KINDS OF THINGS ARE GOING ON INSIDE THE PENTAGON RIGHT NOW!
And Gretavo,
I wasn't implying that you shouldn't have written what you did. I was just saying it was intense, and as you have mentioned sometimes about my little rants, we are a passionate bunch with lots of brains, and sometimes it seems as if hardly anyone wants to step to the plate and talk about the hard stuff that NEEDS to be mentioned and discussed. I loved you and Keenan ripping JDRM over at truthaction the other day. He seems to like to argue from both sides of the coin. If you get defeated on A, then argue from the B side, if all else fails, just repeat information that has already been debunked and insist on its veracity. "We know they nukes. They were in East, West, North, and South." Keep up the good work. I should sign in to truthaction and jump in, but then free speech comments might get shut down again like happened at Blogger. I also don't have a lot of time to engage in online discussions. I should be working on Part Three of my paper.
Ciao
ADL-Speak
ADL-Speak
They really, really hate Benjamin Freedman, a Jew who converted to Christianity (that’s like the worst), and on top of that, a guy who told the Goyim “inside shit.†The ADL or “Arab Defamation League†considers Benjamin Freedman to be the pre-eminent “self-hating, traitorous Jew†of the entire twentieth century. Google “seven thousand self-hating Jews†and you will find a list that not only prominently features Benjamin Freedman, as well as Woody Allen, a film and comic genius, imo, but also includes the saintly Satmar Grand Rebbe, Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum (his words can be found in Part Two B of “Wired for Terrorâ€). ADL employees and sympathizers are fond of using phrases such as – “recycling a proven liar like Benjamin Freedman,†“ideas and names popularized by Benjamin Freedman,†“such a story only comes from a proven liar Benjamin Freedman.†Unfortunately, as might be observed from the References section of my article, there are no references to Benjamin Freedman at all, and it appears that “such a story†is also made reference to by Professors Charles D. Smith, Isaiah Friedman, Wise & De Hass, Steven Zipperstein, Sami Hadawi, David Lloyd George, and Malcolm James et al., none of who, in their research, refer to Benjamin Freedman.
Mr. Mouse brings strawmen to the discussion so that we may waste our valuable time in burning the strawmen down, when there is no need to do so to make our point. This is much like the bruhaha within the recent Cossiga discussions. “Help, we need someone with a fucking PhD in basic Italian†to prove that Cossiga was merely amplifying or reconfirming what we have already figured out separately long before his “off-hand declaration of the obvious.â€
Gretavo correctly points out the general thesis here as one being a researched, referenced, narrative style description of a single component within “the meta-narrative of the Zionist role in late 19th to 20th century historical events.†He, like most of the people here, and indeed, all over the world, is one who understands how an investigation into, say, the history of the Zionist, militant underground of 1930s-40s Palestine is relevant to 9/11 in the year 2001, or the relevance of an investigation into historical events such as the July 1954 Israeli “Operation Susannah,†which became known as the “Lavon Affair,†or revisiting the history of the U.S.S. Liberty attacks, etc. One by one, all the myths will topple in upon themselves, so says the Goddess of History.
And by referring to frustration regarding people not willing to step up to the plate, I wasn't referring to the good folks of wtcdemolition.com/blog, I was making a reference to the general apathy and sleepiness out there. Just wanted to clarify...
Referencing a slogan like
Referencing a slogan like "Beat back the Huns" as if it somehow came from Jewish groups really does just come from Benjamin Freedman, a proven liar for whom we don't need to depend the ADL to refute. It was Freedman who made the preposterous claim the US media had somehow been pro-German until October 1916. Wrong. From the very beginning of the war the US media was carrying over the slogans from the British press and pushing the stories of "Huns chop off breasts of Belgian women."
I see...
So you are asserting that no Zionists or Zionist groups had any role in spreading or coming up with anti-German propaganda? I'll have to go do some refresher reading but I will follow up and see if what you are suggesting is true or not.
If you look under enough
If you look under enough rocks you may well find some cases of some Zionists also participating in anti-German propaganda. But the general pattern in the media from the very start of the war was so consistently pro-British that it's misleading to state things as if Zionists turning against Germany was an outstanding factor. The negation of "no Zionists" is simply "some Zionists." But that is not the same thing as implying that descriptions of the Germans as Huns who chopped off the hands of Belgian babies began appearing in the media as the Balfour Declaration was ironed out. One might very well be able to document some cases of Zionists, as the Balfour Declaration was concluded, joining in with what from 1914 onward had already been a rising torrent of anti-German propaganda. But it would still be a gross mischaracterization of the real events to present that as a principal cause of US entry into the war. US entry into the war was determined by the overwhelming pro-British bias in the US together with Wilson's fanciful illusions that he could establish an environment of international law that would serve to prevent such wars in the future. A more neutral-minded person might accept the idea of advocating international law while maintaining US neutrality towards the war in Europe. But the ideological lenses through which events were seen by the US media and by Wilson himself were so inherently tilted in favor of Britain that such a view of international law could never be grasped. German submarine warfare was a violation of legality, the British food embargo on Germany was not, etcetera. At the time of the Versailles Treaty Wilson became disillusioned with the way that his Fourteen Points were ignored by the Allies. But he was too blind to foresee this in advance. People with vested interests in British victory such as J.P. Morgan simply took advantage of this blindness.
Hey, I wasn't even complaining!
Besides, you got it all figured out, already ;-)
My pleasure to contribute something here -- and be it sweeping the corridors. Actually, spam for the blue pills is second to none, here. Coincidence? ;-)
Didn't hear about Paul Findley's story before -- interesting, and now noted! Can't really say that I'm shocked, but it does make the NIE leak even more laudable.
Have y'all heard of the giant 1/2 trillion tender the ECB recently spilled into the aching economy? 1/2 TRILLION (in $, it were 350 billion €, actually)! Happy 2008...
Keep up the fantastic work, Lazlo!
My goodness, you really make
My goodness, you really make up lies about people you know nothing about.
"i suppose you wish people would believe that 9/11 was pulled off by Islamofascists, or that Americans landed on the moon and drove around in a little rover."
"Now I don't mean of course in your fantasy world where Bill Clinton is a "statesman" or John McCain a "war hero""
Well you certainly live in a world of delusions. It would be impossible for any semi-normal person looking at such rubbish to realize that I was simply pointing out the fact that the most serious revisionist works of WWI produce no evidence to show that the Balfour declaration played much of a role in bringing the US into the war and that such a story only comes from a proven liar Benjamin Freedman. For pointing out such simple facts you run off raving like a lunatic. This is enlightening in itself,
[bruce again: I believe your demeanor is way more enlightening. On the light side, guess you wouldn't be here if Lazlo wasn't onto something! Who performed "the most serious revisionist works of WWI" that you speak of so highly, btw?]
happy to oblige, mr. mouse
Since you're so sane and intelligent, perhaps you can just run down the list of your thoughts on 9/11? Since that's what this site is about? Or do you avoid mentioning the subject because you know that you'd either have to lie or reveal the fact that you are a supporter of the Islamofascist myth and therefore not to be given credit for any surplus of honesty and/or intelligence?
Go ahead, prove that you are the sane and rational one here! Give us your thoughts about 9/11.
(PS I would have to sit down and review the historicalo record to decide what role if any the Balfour declaration played in getting the US into WWI. My impression from what study I have done is that it was not necessarily central or pivotal as a cause for US entry--that was going to be finessed through manipulation of the weak Wilson in any case. I do find it interesting that you are so focused on minutiae without actually sharing what you think of in terms of the meta-narrative of the Zionist role in late 19 to 20 century historical events...)
> perhaps you can just run
> perhaps you can just run down the list of your thoughts on 9/11? Since that's what this site is about?
Actually I try to stick with whatever the original topic at the top was supposed to be, but if you're saying you want to go off topic, fine.
Direct investigation of 911 per se can't really show much else than whether or not it was an inside-job. If one wishes to identify who had a motive for it then one needs to be looking outside of that event at other events, and the events most principally related to 911 are the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. It's probably fair to say that whatever special interest has been involved in these wars has ultimately some tie to 911. There are two prime candidates, with a natural order, for that role.
First, there's no jumping over the role of the Israel in pushing for war in Iraq. They've actually been pretty overt about that.
Second, although the oil industry hasn't been anywhere near as overtly tied in with war-lobbying as the Israel lobby has been, but there's no getting around the fact that almost every quarter has been showing record profits by the oil industry. The war itself has created conditions which are conducive to a threatened oil crisis, and this has made possible booming profits.
Now one type of argument which some people love to get into is over whether we can place one of the above in a primary role while viewing the other as somehow subordinate. I try to stay away from those arguments, but the conflicting views are worth listing. One view asserts that the oil industry was and is really against the whole war in Iraq, with the Israel lobby forcing it all through on its own. Problems with that are that the oil monopolies have been profiting just too much in the last few years for me to really accept the idea that this has all been a reluctant gain. Other problems are that the oil industry certainly has a lot of money for public relations and the public at large, no matter what their specific view on 911, is almost entirely disenchanted with this war in Iraq. Perhaps shortly after 911 there was a period when the public attitude might have made it difficult to really articulate a position against the war, but for the last few years the public had been almost crying for some serious anti-war opposition. This is what accounted for the massive victory of the Democrats in 2006, even when it was clear that this would be a wasted vote. The public was just desperate for some form of opposition. It's really hard to believe that an oil industry that was somehow against the war would so completely fail to take advantage of a receptive environment. Some people have alleged that the Baker-Hamilton report was a form of war-opposition by the oil industry and that the Israel lobby killed it. My biggest problem with that is that the Baker-Hamilton report came across more as a way of beefing up the reputation of the Democrats at election time. Whenever the Democrats were asked in 2006 about their position on continuing the war or seeking to exit from Iraq, it seemed like they always just responed by saying that they would follow the recommendations of the Baker-Hamilton report when it was ready, whatever those recommendations were. That got them off the hook from really answering questions while the election was ongoing. Once the election was over the Baker-Hamilton report faded away. I'm skeptical that this was just an unplanned move brought about Israeli lobbying influence. More likely is that was intended from the start to dump the whole thing once the Democrats were in.
Now another view casts the Israel lobby as just tools of the oil industry, usually with frequent mentioning of names like Rothschild and Rockefeller. My problem with this view is that depends too much on unsupported assertions. Why shouldn't we believe that Israeli lobbyists in AIPAC are driven by their own independent agendas, rather than simply being shills for the oil industry? If they are independently motivated then how far do real conflicts of interest, most likely hidden from public view, reach? Or is some effort to maintain a sufficient compatibility between interests among different parties, such as the Israel lobby and the oil industry, at least to the point avoiding a mutually damaging conflict of interests? There are a lot of unanswered questions behind the scenes there. But however one may envision sorting out this type of background picture, the natural choice of suspects of 911 should reflect that assortment.
> [bruce again: I believe
> [bruce again: I believe your demeanor is way more enlightening. On the light side, guess you wouldn't be here if Lazlo wasn't onto something! Who performed "the most serious revisionist works of WWI" that you speak of so highly, btw?]
Oh this interesting, encountering a query hidden at the back of my own comment. I actually had mentioned Harry Elmer Barnes up above as the most dedicated leader in the school of historical revisionism after WWI. Just start with that name and you can track others from there.
slightly OT, but a good sample...
from None Dare Call it Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham, published 1971...
ok fixed size, now your comment disappeared
anyway, save the pic and it will be readable (if you haven't already read it...
cool thanks
haven't read yet more than the first paragraph but plan to do it right now, thanks for fixing it.
my comments down below the 2nd page; I'm tricky like that.
lot of ISEs happening again, will try to help if i have time
and another...
See, now the fun begins. Where does the Balfour declaration fit into things? Who's to say! Is it central to the story, or incidental? Did these elite banker conspirators decide to use Zionism as an excuse to gain a toehold in the Middle East? You decide!
reading trouble
hey man -
my monitor is too small or this page is too wide - when i try to read the top article i have to use the scroll bar at the bottom and it's just killing me; i think it's because of this image (which i was able to read easily since it's split in 2 columns); maybe you want to consider splitting the book pages down the middle into 2 separate (4 total) images? And just scan the rest of the book while you're at it :D
right on, Tahooey - scrolling is not coool.
how to fix?
well for me it's ok now but
Gretavo shrunk them the other day and they fit now in my display size...
but one idea i had was to just copy and paste Lazlo's post into a notepad file so I could read it.Â
 Then I started thinking that maybe I should put all the parts (so far) together, plus footnotes and a lot of the relevant comments and produce a printable publication that I can pass around to friends & family for their reading pleasure -
Lazlo - can i have permission to do that? Is something like that already in the works for after completion?
Hey Tahooey,
I haven’t said hi to you in a while. I trust all is well with you, my friend. Actually, I have some Peter Tosh in the CD player right now. Why do all the people I really dig have to get shot all the time (Tosh, Lennon), or in Lenny Bruce’s case, die from a shot on the bathroom floor? But to your question of compiling and passing out text, yeah, if you want to copy and paste, publish, pass out, put your own name on it, I don’t mind. I would copy and paste it into a Word file to preserve easy text formatting, but suit yourself. I might publish this whole thing after it’s all done, but believe me, I have no financial interests with regards to my research and writing on these subjects. For me, it is about free access and reasoned analysis of Real Information (RI) for the good of the world’s peoples and many species. This is humanist, patriotic, 9/11 Truth volunteer work. The guilty, crazed ones must be brought to Justice, so the planet can go on. 9/11 is connected to many, many things, and no doubt you already know this. I am doing this for free, because it is important for people to understand what is happening within an historical framework and perspective, and at the same time, not succumb to hating those who are as innocent as we all are. As the nearly century-long history of Zionist leadership in America and Israel has clearly demonstrated, groups such as the WZO, AIPAC, ZOA, and the ADL, et al. have no problems with using masses of Jewish people as “human shields†within the framework of their strategic maneuvers. Through this democratized information revolution, I am just trying to prevent some crazy people from leading their unsuspecting followers and “people†down a suicidal trail that their own prophets guaranteed would end in a super nasty disaster, and the saddest thing of all is that none of it had to go down like this. All the horrific suffering of Palestine was completely unnecessary. Wise voices spoke up at the start, things could have gone much, much differently, but the militants and the impatient, young hotheads grabbed the reins of state, and they were all still enthralled by the dark romanticist Power of the 1930s-‘40s Dictator, the Law of Iron, and the awesome power of indomitable military might through rigorous discipline and cutting-edge technology. This is part of the strange history, and part of the mythic mind-set which has to be taken into consideration when looking at these things.
Cheers, brother.
I hope that you rest from work, drink and eat heartily, and not go to your place of work for many weeks. An old Kazakstan blessing...
All the horrific suffering of Palestine was completely....
"All the horrific suffering of Palestine was completely unnecessary. Wise voices spoke up at the start, things could have gone much, much differently, but the militants and the impatient, young hotheads grabbed the reins of state, and they were all still enthralled by the dark romanticist Power of the 1930s-‘40s Dictator, the Law of Iron, and the awesome power of indomitable military might through rigorous discipline and cutting-edge technology. This is part of the strange history, and part of the mythic mind-set which has to be taken into consideration when looking at these things..."
Just saw this, Laz. I believe this definitely factors into the psychopathology of what happened... hope all is well! thank you for being so nurturing to all of us.
 btw, i reposted one of yours in order to make a point with an annoymouse today...may need some backup down the road!
Hey Kate O’Kiosk,
I will give you back up down the road, no problemosini.
Hope you and the Fam had a good holiday. Thanks for your mature and intelligent understanding of these really hard and horrible issues, and also for your support in trying to get people to understand them without succumbing to hatred, which is always the easiest route. Learning about all of these things is often a real exercise in spiritual discipline -- in forgiveness and in understanding -- in whatever tradition you may hail from, as you, of course, already know. However, this usage of a tradition-conditioned people as “human shields†for the Evil of a greedy, militant, severely socio-psychopathic minority must be exposed, and they don’t dig it at all when you do that old-fashioned, “investigative reporting†kinda stuff. Yesterday, I had to wade through the historic horrors of “Ike’s Death Camps,†documents all about Gen. Eisenhower, who found a loophole by which to avoid U.S. adherence to the Geneva Conventions by changing the German POW status to DEF (Disarmed Enemy Forces) so he could basically murder 1.5 million German POWs inside the 200+ U.S. POW prison camps inside Germany. Ike even had these Germans held after the War. Patton told Ike to go fuck himself, and let his prisoners go, war over, Patton dies in mysterious car crash. Yes, Dwight David Eisenhower was Jewish. In his memoirs, he expressed his general hatred of the Germans as a singular people. Allies win the War, and its payback, hatred time, always a bitch. There are whole books of testimony by U.S. soldiers who suffered as whistleblowers for reporting on the war crimes of “Ike’s death camps,†as they were called. Conditions: let’s put it this way, I would much rather be housed at Auschwitz, because in Ike’s camps everybody slept outside at night in their own shit, with the idea of starving everyone to death or having them die from exposure – wintertime in Germany – not fun. Hence the 1.5 million German, DEF deaths in the camps. History bites. Where’s my guitar?
Gary Allen doesn't know
Gary Allen doesn't know anything the Russian civil war and his claim about the Bolsheviks being placed in power is an old Right-wing legend. The simple reality is that the Whites did receive aid from the Allies in the civil war, the Bolsheviks did not, but the Whites lost because they were ttoally out of touch with the ordinary Russian in every sense. Any detailed study of the Russian civil war, of which there are a great many, will make it apparent by reciting facts that the Whites did recieve real military aid from Britain especially. But they wasted it and lost without needing any type of Rothschild conspiracy to cause their defeat.