on the topic of WTC Demo

Tahooey's picture

Hi castaways - Just wanted to share that Winter Patriot has posted an entertaining article on the now available Seffen article. Of course in the big picture, it may not be the validity of the content that counts so much as the falsely created impression to the casual observer (majority of americans? mainstream journalists?) that there are an overwhelming majority of experts & academics who "all agree" with the OCT and whose works validate one another's. But it's nice to see WP shred this clown just the same.

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kate of the kiosk's picture

Thanks, Tahooey! Antiwar has no Teeth!

http://www.vdare.com/roberts/070913_anti_war.htm

was just telling a friend that the antiwar movement has no teeth without 9/11 truth...then read this by Paul Craig Roberts.

gretavo's picture

that's part of my "stump speech"

when reaching out to anyone who is apparently anti-war.  i started as an antiwar activist and realized that without addressing the root cause we were banging our head against a wall.  last weekend talked to some kucinich pamphleteers in Harvard Square, and a few dedicated anti-war folks.  Additionally, people who found the antiwar movement too "lefty" or too "hippie-like" but who nonetheless oppose the war are prime candidates for 9/11 truth.  I would say that the typical person who takes my info-cards is in fact closer to the latter--the antiwar people are hit or miss--if they are too steeped in Chomskyism then they often have visceral reactions, essentially blaming us for "making the left look like a bunch of nutcases".  Having been neck-deep in the lefty antiwar scene before switching to pure 9/11 truth I find that attitude pretty funny, knowing how many nutcases (albeit well-meaning and lovable ones) populate the antiwar mo...  :)

gretavo's picture

PCR treads a fine li(hop)ne here actually

 A legitimate point of view?  Hardly.  I know, he says "even in the official account", but still, my LIHOP spider sense tingles when I read any kind of validation of the blowback theory that makes it seem like, duh--of course arab muslims did it--they have EVERY REASON to hate America.  That's a classic non-sequitur, not a legitimate POV, Dr. Roberts!

 

Elements of the American left-wing are also frustrated by 9/11 doubters. CounterPunch, for example, views 9/11 as blowback from an immoral US foreign policy and as retribution for America’s past sins in the Middle East. Manuel Garcia shares this viewpoint. In the September 12, 2007, CounterPunch, Garcia writes that "rationalists and realists" are people who see 9/11 "as blowback from decades of inhuman US foreign policy." Viewing 9/11 as a government conspiracy, whether in deed or coverup, lets US foreign policy off the hook.

This is a legitimate point of view.  But it has a downside.  September 11 was the excuse for committing yet more inhuman deeds by initiating open-ended wars on both Muslims and US civil liberties.  Defending the government’s account, instead of pressing the government for accountability, was liberating for the Bush administration.

Even in the official account, the story is one of massive failures: the failures of US intelligence services, the failures of airport security, the failures to intercept the hijacked airliners, the failures to preserve evidence.  If a common front had taken the Bush administration to task both for failing to prevent the 9/11 attacks and for an explanation of 9/11 so inadequate that its plausibility depends on outside experts, Bush could not have so easily shifted the blame to Afghanistan and Iraq.  Most 9/11 doubters do not insist on the US government’s complicity in the deed.  Failure to protect, or incompetence, is a sufficient charge to deter an administration from war by turning it against itself with demands for accountability. 

kate of the kiosk's picture

forever vigilant, Gretavo!

okay. but i found this article at first search of  Dr. Richard Seffen on  this site:

http://www.ziopedia.org/articles/9%1011/9-11_explains_the_impotence_of_the_antiwar_movement/

do you know anything about Ziopedia?

gretavo's picture

not too much...

I think I was on their mailing list and either removed myself or let my address expire without changing it.  From what I remember there wasn't anything terribly wrong with it, but I wouldn't necessarily endorse them before checking it out since I haven't ben there in a loong time...

gretavo's picture

strike one....

there is an ad for a book by David Duke on the site's front page.  part of me of course says let it be, that's what free-speech is all about.  the other part says David Duke is not at all my kind of anti-Zionist for MANY reasons, not least of which that as a former high official of the KKK he obviously has problems with Jewish people AND black people AND probably people (like me) who are very happy and proud to be the product of miscegenation.

it is not only the fact that I find Duke's views themselves abhorrent, it is that inclusion of his work on an anti-Zionist site is tantamount to shooting anti-Zionism in the foot if not the face.  Oh well, that's just another reason to keep WTCDemo in bidness... anti-Zionism IS anti-racism, and David Duke is without question a racist.  White-separatists may overtly decry Zionism, or what they call "Jewish-supremacism", but they do so with very little legitimacy given that they are birds of a feather with their racist Zionist "Jewish-separatists".

Annoymouse's picture

Duke definitely spoils

the pot for me. thanks for checking out.

did i tell you had a more positive turnout for the 11th this time? instead of katie by her lonesome, i had the company of 4 others, and fine companay they were. lots of those little AE cards and 11 remarkable facts handed out to receptive and supportive passersby. very affirming.

kate of the kiosk's picture

PCR on neoconservatives/Israeli control

http://www.vdare.com/roberts/070611_threat.htm

http://www.vdare.com/roberts/070815_america.htm

 

regarding actual 911 perpetrators, jury's out on lihopianism....will search.