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Submitted by casseia on Tue, 2007-09-18 16:07.


 

This is a difficult video to watch. Important elements to consider, in my view:

Do you think the guy was intoxicated or just nervous? Mentally ill? Could he possibly have been known to campus security as a mentally ill person? (It should go without saying -- but does not -- that this would be absolutely no excuse for tasering him.)

Does this feel at little theatrical? Could it be a staged attempt to discourage people from confronting candidates or other public figures?

Staged or not, known troublemaker or not, would you sit there and applaud while a person is wrestled to the ground and tased when there is NO indication that he was an imminent physical threat to anyone?

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My first instinct was "this is staged".

Submitted by Big_D on Tue, 2007-09-18 16:35.

Something just doesn't seem right about this guy.

Edit: I hadn't seen this angle before. Even if it was staged I'm not sure what the moral would be. This is complete & utter bullshit any way you look at it.

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Me, too

Submitted by casseia on Tue, 2007-09-18 16:36.

Actually, maybe more like my second instinct (my first being to wonder if this guy is a "known troublemaker" -- they were right on him with an attempt to physically restrain him when all he was doing was asking a long-winded question.) 

 

Nonetheless, even if staged, it is unlikely that the members of the audience were all in on it.  The sight of them sitting there passively and clapping makes me sick.  At the very least, everyone with a camera phone should have been on her feet taking pictures while telling the guards not to hurt the guy.

 

It looked to me as though in addition to the taser, one guard took a gun out of a holster.  From my perspective here in the Capital of Cops Killing the Mentally Ill (RIP James Chasse) the guy seems lucky that he was ONLY tased.

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Lots of Videos

Submitted by Alek Hidell (not verified) on Wed, 2007-09-19 08:15.

[quote=casseia]At the very least, everyone with a camera phone should have been on her feet taking pictures while telling the guards not to hurt the guy.[/quote]


I have spent all day tracking this thing down.  LOTS of people took videos, they are all over the net, and there were women on videos who verbally objected to Andrew's mistreatment.  

Andrew is obviously an odd duck, 99.99% of the people who know what we know would rather be anywhere else than singlehandedly confronting one of the elite in Florida.  So it is given that Andrew is an exhibitionist, and his blood was pumping with surging adrenaline and fear.  That is my explanation for his theatrical behavior.   Out in the lobby after being tased, he is begging bystanders to ask where he was taken.  I think Andrew was in real fear of being killed or disappeared to Gitmo at that point, his adventure had gotten out of hand and his imagination is running wild.

The most convincing evidence to me that this thing was real was a video posted in the thread linked on the truthaction forum thread.  This amateur video showed Andrew asking the questions from his left side.  Behind him are the cops and a plainclothes man.  EXACTLY at the point the Andrew says "Skull & Bones", the plainclothes man makes a quick throat slashing motion and the cops grab Andrew.  The uniformed cops are not loose cannons, they were acting under orders.

IMO, Andrew totally wanted to be on TV and in the news.  Andrew knew he might get ejected, and planned to act like a prima donna while being led out to milk the drama for all it was worth.  The SS just wanted Andrew out of there.  I don't think anyone planned the tasing, the SS didn't want it, and Andrew certainly didn't plan to be tased.  The tasing incident was just an accident of the stupidity, brutality, and incompetence of the U of F campus cops.  This is from experience, I grew up in Gainesville.

So, courtesy of the stupid Gator thugs pulling out the taser on an annoying 21 year old truther, John "Kerry" Forbes-Kohn got just the wrong sort of publicity.  I hope someone asks him those same three questions wherever he goes from now on.
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Throat Slash

Submitted by Alek Hidell (not verified) on Wed, 2007-09-19 08:32.

Watch the tall white dark haired plainclothes (white shirt, dark suit) man make the throat slashing sign to the cops at 1:32 into the clip:


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