Prof. Lynn Margulis, Strong Supporter of Prof. Griffin, Takes Nanothermite Bait
Love Prof. Margulis, but I wish she would be more circumspect with regard to the alleged red/gray chips in the WTC dust. The WTC demolitions seem to have been pulled off using high explosives and regular thermite (to reduce the amount of explosives needed.) Nanothermite only comes into the picture on the say-so of one person, Steven Jones, who not only has produced a questionable 'scientific' paper purporting to show evidence for Jesus having visited America before Columbus but has also recently expressed support for Glenn Beck. Why no mention of red/gray chips in the reports by among others the RJ Lee group, which Jones and others have cited because they *did* report finding previously molten iron and molybdenum microspheres, which by themselves put the lie to the official collapse explanation? Are we to believe either that the presence of red/gray chips was ignored by them, or that they hushed up that finding but not others just as incriminating? Why would there be so much unignited material left in the dust anyway? The findings are relevant only if they are true, and we only have Steven Jones' say so that the dust samples he collected had these chips in them before they were given to him. Where is the replication of these findings, not in Jones' own samples, but in samples collected and analyzed by someone not associated with Jones?
Lynn Margulis, PhD - Scientist
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some interesting back and forth...
from the comments on the youtube vid...
/watch?v=AJ7hXrmMRPc;t=38m08s?
Lietuvispartizan 4 hours ago
@Lietuvispartizan Where did Basile obtain the sample he analyzed? I'm not disputing that nanothermite was found in? the samples that Steve Jones collected, I'm disputing whether that nanothermite is actually in all of the WTC dust including samples that didn't go through Steve Jones.
therealgretavo 3 hours ago
OK so the answer is actually that he was put in touch with the original sample collector by Steve Jones. While this isn't the? same as getting the sample from Jones directly, it's still one of the same sources as used by Jones. This still doesn't count as replication as far as I'm concerned, esp given the lack of mention of the chips by anyone who looked at the dust before Jones...
therealgretavo 3 hours ago
@therealgretavo You should address these questions to? M.Basile, not me. I think he has 4 dust samples:
/watch?v=PZNAd45vK-4&feature=m
Lietuvispartizan 2 hours ago
@Lietuvispartizan He doesn't say there where he obtained the four samples (I'm guessing here they are the same as Jones'). To consider these findings credible they must be replicated using different samples for which the chain of custody is credibly? established (which may of course be impossible). As it is this evidence is only as credible as Steven Jones, which given his "Jesus in America" paper and his endorsement of Glenn Beck as a legitimate truthseeker concerns me deeply, that's all.
/watch?v=JZNQq7XBLwc;t=190
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Just so you know, Gretavo
The RJ Lee Group report,Composition and Morphology, found microspheres formed from the melting of many kinds of metal, not just iron and molybdenum. Also, various plastics and components from computer screens and so forth.
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thanks
Understood. I do think the molten iron and molybdenum are pretty damning once you understand how they are formed--of course since molybdenum has a melting point of around 4700 degrees F it raises the question of how it melted (given iron melts at a lowly 2800). No idea whether the effect that sulfur has on lowering the melting point of iron would have a similar effect on molybdenum...
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PETN burns at over 8,000 deg. F
That's one way.
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hmmmm...olybdenum
So it looks like the molybdenum spherule was *not* mentioned in the RJ Lee report (which did mention Iron-rich spheres) but was reportedly discovered by the USGS team in its analysis. They did not include this finding in their report but details were obtained through a FOIA request by Steven Jones:
http://www.journalof911studies.com/articles/WTCHighTemp2.pdf
4.3. Molybdenum spherule in the USGS data set Two of the authors pursued a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) action with the USGS to obtain any additional SEM/XEDS data from them which had not been previously published. The new data demonstrated, significantly, that the USGS team had observed and studied a molybdenum-rich spherule which was not mentioned in the earlier reports. A micrograph image shows a bright pill-shaped spherule labeled “20MOSPH- 1.TIF” (below). The brightness of the object suggests that backscattered electron imaging was used in acquiring 6Extremely high temperatures during the WTC destruction the image (the report notes that this technique was used in the study), and that indeed a heavier metal such as Mo is present in the oblong spherule. (We see similar shapes; see SEM image below right and Fig. 1.) In the same data set obtained via FOIA action, an XEDS spectrum labeled “Molysph.TIF” and two nearly identical XEDS curves (with additional elemental identifications) labeled “Molly spectrum 25 kV” accompany what we deduce applies to the Mo spherule, given the designations. One of the spectra extends to approximately 19 keV (the electron beam energy was no doubt 25 kV), and shows a clear Mo line at 17.3 keV. This removes ambiguity regarding the peak at ~2.3 keV, which could otherwise be S or Pb or Bi (for example). The XEDS plots for this spherule labeled “Moly sph” show significant concentrations of aluminum, oxygen and calcium in addition to the dominant molybdenum peak and deserve further investigation. (For example, the Mo/Al peak height ratio is Mo:Al :: 5:1.) We discern that considerable study was performed on this Mo-rich spherule, given the number of images and XEDS plots for it, yet these data were not previously released in the public USGS reports.[2] We emphasize these data because of the extremely high melting temperature of molybdenum, and the observation of this molybdenum-rich spherule. Molybdenum is a refractory metal known for its extremely high melting point [9]. Mo melts at 2,623 °C (4,753 °F) [10], although addition of other elements may lower the melting point. No explanation of the high temperature needed to form the observed Mo-rich spherule is given in the USGS material (either published or obtained by FOIA action).
I don't really trust Steven Jones *or* FOIA (at least when it comes to 9/11), so who knows. In any case, this would be *one* molybdenum-rich spherule as opposed to *many* iron-rich spherules...
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Direct quotes from the RJ Lee Group report
"Composition and Morphology"
“Various metals (most notably iron and lead) were melted during the WTC Event, producing spherical metallic particles. Exposure of phases to high heat results in the formation of spherical particles due to surface tension. Figure 21 and Figure 22 show a spherical iron particle resulting from the melting of iron (or steel).” 2003 RJ Lee Group report page 17
“In addition to the spherical iron and aluminosilicate particles, a variety of heavy metal particles including lead, cadmium, vanadium, yttrium, arsenic, bismuth, and barium particles were produced by the pulverizing, melting and/or combustion of the host materials such as solder, computer screens, and paint during the WTC Event. Combustion-related products are significant WTC Dust Markers, particularly if seen in combination. However, it is worth noting that fly ash and partially combusted products can occur in trace concentrations in ordinary building dusts, but not in the concentrations observed in WTC Dust.” 2003 RJ Lee Group page 19
“The differences within the WTC Dust and typical background dusts include the fineness and evidence of heat, the size and concentration of the chrysotile, and the length and concentration of the mineral wool and other fibers, as well as the frequency of occurrence of spherical particles produced by fire and heat, char and soot, and other building products.” 2003 RJ Lee Group report page 19-20
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I was very impressed by Prof. Lynn Margulis
in her cogent remarks regarding science as a way of knowing, and how NIST has not been "playing by the rules of science" in its analysis of the fall of the WTC buildings.
She speaks favorably of the research on the red+gray chips found in the WTC dust and how this is science -- which unfortunately is ignored by NIST.
Well done, Prof. Margulis, and thank you for speaking out.