Revolution Across the Arab World: What It Seems or More Illusion?

c455:
The journalism and tweets (and twitter journalism) flowing in from Tunisia, Egypt, Bahrain, Yemen, and now Libya give the impression of real,legitimate popular uprisings, led by cross-sections of their societies but especially young people. However, because I was not convinced by the last uprising in Iran (that it was truly a movement of the people and unmanipulated by outside forces) I also can't take this epidemic of revolutions at face value, without looking for underlying influences...
gReT:
c455, I thought you were going to take the more charitable position and *I* was going to be the cynic who thinks everything is fake! Of course the peoples of these countries are pissed and looking for any glimmer of hope that their resistance can finally become overt and not be crushed. the fact is that that hope has come from the attention that mainstream media have decided to give to the movements. this has the effect of bringing the activist-minded out into the streets where they can be manipulated by controlled oppositions that are already in place. If you're looking for a model, look to the antiwar movement in the US. The popular uprisings in the middle east are going to be co-opted and manipulated and directed and controlled by the same types of organizations--possibly by the same organizations! this is the notorious "world revolution" that has always been the loony left to the rigid right of the rich. the elites stand above both sides and thereby control it all.
c455:
Okay, I know I was supposed to be the idealistic voice, but years of (online) exposure to gReT's profound cynicism have apparently had an effect -- I can't help but be suspicious. Especially when I read tweets like this coming from Libya:
TristanAJE Tristan Redman
Pre-gadaffi Revo flag everywhere in #libya. But where did these flags, stickers, posters come from?
27 Feb
TristanAJE Tristan Redman
Revolutionaries issuing press papers in little plastic wallets. Bureaucracy dies hard in #libya
27 Feb
TristanAJE Tristan Redman
'17th feb youth revolution' already has own graphic branding. Graffiti flag with '17' motif #libya
1 Mar
TristanAJE Tristan Redman
#libya provisional council in #benghazi even has a 'drawing and caligraphy' department
1Mar
TristanAJE Tristan Redman
Human rights watch tells us story of gadaffi's african 'mercenaries' is '95% untrue' #libya
1 Mar
TristanAJE Tristan Redman
Been meeting nigerians, sudanese, afraid to go out, fear attacks. Many accused of being 'mercenaries' #libya
1 Mar
TristanAJE Tristan Redman
The revolution will not be improvised. Identikit printed slogans appear behind our live position #libya
5 hours ago
TristanAJE Tristan Redman
Boys in high viz jackets appear at our #benghazi live position. Crowd control. Where did they come from? #libya
5 hours ago
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yeah, just talking about that tonight -
with a pal.
and the "social network" was born when? 2004.
add: the reason i make this observation is that i have been thinking recently about the timely development of Facebook and other social networking tools around the time of the 911 commission findings, and really around the time the 911 truth movement was launched. Although some use FB for promoting truth causes, most do not. Could Facebook have been the ultimate manipulation and distraction tool?
going according to plan ?
comment made on Ed Rynearson's FB wall regarding P. Wolfowitz advocating interventio in Libya:
might be a red herring
any unrest in the middle east is going to cause oil prices to rise based as much on speculating traders than any real shortages. since we are accepting that to some extent at least this unrest is a healthy expression of popular discontent we can't really complain too much about how much the price of oil goes up. in fact higher prices of everything is probably unavoidable at this point given the flood of federal reserve notes...
We also shouldn't mistake opportunism for design...
Fake revolutions in Iran and China are instantly supported by the administration and Clinton specifically, while "certain" revolutions merit calls for delayed action and drawn out processes of change. This is a good way to gauge the validity of one revolution or the other. The last thing they wanted was Mubarak gone before they could legitimately install either his son the globalist banker or Sulieman, their long-time asset and go-between.
Whenever you set a back-fire to burn the undergrowth in the path of a forest fire, you always run the risk of igniting something else, a new front on the battle that you didn't expect. Reacting to it once it gets out of control is different than planning to burn a couple of thousand acres.
Tarpley was wrong about Tunisia and he's wrong about Egypt. Sometimes I think he is just trying to get out ahead of the curve because he missed the whole "Green Revolution" fraud in Iran. I don't know.
But Gretavo is correct, IMO. They just see an opportunity to jack up the oil prices in order to justify profits and whatever else they have in mind after the speculators ran up the cost of corn and wheat which started this in the first place. With prices jack-up out of control, they will need to enforce "stability" and that may give them the justification to install more Mubarak like dictators while suppressing democratic elections. Out of control oil prices and 6 dollar a gallon gas will turn massive profits for the globalists and also help Americans turn a blind eye to our thwarting true democracies in the Middle East. Just a guess..
I don't know. We'll see how it plays out.
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth. JFK
Look at it this way, I lived
Look at it this way, I lived through a popular, peaceful revolution in my country. I do not think it was instigated by US. But even in the first administration (Cory Aquino), there were cabinet officials who were hold overs from the past corrupt system. We lost opportunities to repudiate crushing debt which were contracted under onerous circumstances.
By the second administration (Fidel Ramos), we had an ex West Pointer in charge. Not quite as bad as Marcos, but still corrupt, and probably made money off our electricity production deals. We are said to now have the highest electric rates in the world due to his administration.
The people learn over time however. Surprisingly, voting works*, people voted Cory's son Noynoy to replace the very corrupt Gloria Arroyo (and his husband and sons). Gloria did not run, but the candidate she endorsed totally lost. Noynoy is trying to do a good job, but Gloria had appointed rabid allies to the supreme court, so even as president, he is having a difficult time prosecuting corruption.
*Our elections are rigged as well, which is how FVRamos and Gloria Arroyo won (on her second term). But cheating works only so much and cannot stop a landslide.
Lesson learned. You can have a real home instigated revolution, but the elite are waiting to pounce on any opportunity to take control and not give the people what they really wanted. Vigilance after the revolution counts a lot.
thanks for sharing this...
Modern U.S. imperialism began with the Spanish American War, also justified with dubious claims of an attack on Americans, so the Phillipines' is an important history to understand.
This is the frustrating part
This is the frustrating part because the US is still invading defenseless third world countries more than a century after invading Cuba and the Philippnes. The government lies and the US public rolls along, but the play is so old. Have Americans not learned anything in100 years? What will it take to educate the public that false flag attacks and illegal wars go together all the time. Iraq did not even attack the US, where is the outrage?
On the one hand, …sure,
On the one hand, …sure, the adage "things have to change for them to stay the same" as immortalised in the classic novel and Visconti film re Sicilian revolution ‘The Leopard’… One of the truest observations in all cinema.
On the other, don’t fall for the 24 hour news in a nutshell invented stories of this being all down to social networking etc. These people have lived under brutal state oppression for 3 decades with a thug spies watching their every move and brutally pouncing on any dissent. I heard it said somewhere recently, that in Egypt if there was a murder that needed solving, the pigs would round up 50 random blokes and string them up by their elbows until someone ‘confessed’ (Unverifiable)- crime solved.
I am reminded also of John Pilger’s quote that whilst discussing state TV he said the only difference between Russia (& other state controlled medias) and western media was that there, the people knew that state TV was bullshit. This seems to me the essential problem, why the people of the West will be very slow to act if ever, in that the illusion of free press and democracy, along with mass distraction is a huge advancement over the old state propaganda system, and is as yet undefeated. It will also likely be the desired model for all future oligarchy control of new states/ regimes.
I have seen the Tunisian & Egyptian revolts chalked up to social networking and even wikileaks , but you cannot underestimate what living under such regimes was like for 3 decades then facing death to stand up and overthrow it, and the determination of such people to be able to engineer their own political futures and safeguard their gains. They have true feelings of empowerment and participation which already puts them potentially way above the stupefied propaganda fed cattle of western democracies
Though social networking must have been a useful tool for a small percentage of the eclectic hoards that took to the streets, the battle was won on the streets of Egypt by word of mouth and genuine ‘people power’ during a time when all internet and mobiles were cut off.
Also don’t forget that due to overriding economic conditions the new world ‘Players’ will be China. India, Russia & probably most encouragingly south American socialist models (If Venezuela etc are ‘allowed’ to continue their remarkable internal agendas) whilst the old western powers will be in terminal decline.
During the People Power
During the People Power revolution in the Philippines, text messaging/cellphones were not around, and the internet social networks did not even exist. But videos, of Cory's husband Ninoy, a dissident in exile was circulating in Betamax format.
Things were so skewed back then that I thought presidents ruled for life like a king (I was in an affluent highschool and knew no better).
But Marcos was a real dictator, and the press was truly controlled by the government back then.
I agree with you that the problem in the US and some other western countries is that people do not even know that they are being lied to by the press. They have no concept that their supposed free press is under almost complete control by certain parties which to this day I do not know.
Incidentally, today is the anniversary of the EDSA revolution.
speaking of certain parties we do not know...
thanks for the commentary on the Philippines, Juan. Your perspective is so valuable, and it is an honor and a privilege to share in membership/fellowship here with you!
Anyway, I found this from FB friend Lina Mahmoud: http://www.truth-out.org/behind-arab-revolt-a-word-we-dare-not-speak68036
John Pilger
"...As the Washington historian William Blum has documented, since 1945, the US has destroyed or subverted more than 50 governments, many of them democracies, and used mass murderers like Suharto, Mobutu and Pinochet to dominate by proxy. In the Middle East, every dictatorship and pseudo-monarchy has been sustained by America. In "Operation Cyclone," the CIA and MI6 secretly fostered and bankrolled Islamic extremism. The object was to smash or deter nationalism and democracy. The victims of this western state terrorism have been mostly Muslims. The courageous people gunned down last week in Bahrain and Libya, the latter a "priority UK market," according to Britain's official arms "procurers," join those children blown to bits in Gaza by the latest American F-16 aircraft.
The revolt in the Arab world is not merely against a resident dictator, but against a worldwide economic tyranny designed by the US Treasury and imposed by the US Agency for International Development (USAID), the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank, which have ensured that rich countries like Egypt are reduced to vast sweatshops, with half the population earning less than $2 a day. The people's triumph in Cairo was the first blow against what Benito Mussolini called corporatism, a word that appears in his definition of fascism...."
I want to live in a country
which neither destroys nor subverts~~
and, let us not forget that the foundation for. . .
. . . "modern u.s. imperialism," was "the genocide of the american indians." see e.g., http://www.nemasys.com/ghostwolf/Native/genocide.shtml
Free Free Palestine!
Egyptian junta unwilling to cede power
While the US provides at least a third of the military budget...
"Egypt’s transition last spring was no more than a progression of United States and Israeli long-range foreign policies and corporate goals for the region, and for whatever reasons – one which no longer required the services of President Hosni Mubarek."
A US-Backed Military Junta in Egypt Was Always The Plan - Patrick Henningsen
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”The relationship between the US and the SCAF – the Supreme Council Armed Forces – is that of the imperial sponsor and sustainer relying upon the Supreme Council Armed Forces to maintain not merely the dictatorship, but the oligarchy in power; the protection of capitalism in Egypt on the part of the tiny oligarchy that has usurped all financial, economic and political power for itself.”
US major architect of massacre in Egypt - Ralph Schoenman
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Arab Spring Sour: 'Egypt revolt one long military coup' - Tony Gosling