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nuclear, ternary, and quarternary fission
according to "Prager" on a KB post. thus making nanothermitics limited hangout. has this been dissected before? the USGS findings were right after 911.
From Kenny's
http://kennysideshow.blogspot.com/2011/02/controversy-and-cognitive-infiltration.html
Dimitri Khalezov showed up at my site...
... he "accidentally" found my site right after I sent another "mini-nuke"er packing.
All the laughs were soon to follow (I did ask him why Kevin Barrett was laughing at him at the end of his interview... Dimitri has yet to respond)
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2011/02/22/presenting-the-next-cit-snipe...
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth. JFK
i don't know about DK but what about JP?
what has me intrigued in the Emag "Dust" is Prager's claim to "correlation of elements" that prove fission, found in dozens of site samples by the USGS. how to deal with that. have you read it yet, Willy? we need some physicists here to analyze this data.
we need more on Prager.
I have yet to read it... I will
but honestly, over the past 48 hours I have been fighting with tv fakery advocates, mini-nukes guys, Dimitri (though he just pulled a drive by and left) and Nicholas Filippelli (one of the guys who did that pod-cast hit piece on DRG) who just left.
jesus
I will take a look at the stuff but I am sure it is over my head. Gretavo is correct... it is Truthaggedon
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth. JFK
fair enough
get some restorative rest, Willy, and back to battle!
hi Kate, the mini nukes
hi Kate, the mini nukes narrative has been used not just in 9-11 but also in other bombing incidents such as the Bali bombing and an oil rig accident. They are even linked to Israel in some narratives. These are, to me, attempts at disinformation. They muddy the waters and mix real and fake evidence.
Trust your eyes but try to keep to evidence that you know for sure came from 9-11. Did you see that evidence on 9-11-2001 on CNN or did the evidence surface afterwards? Anything that came after can be considered suspect.
Dust samples, just like those of Steven Jones can come from anywhere. Do you have documentation of it's chain of custody? Do you trust that documentation? If you are not certain, then it is possible that some, or even all of the conclusions from that investigation is not valid.
sounds to me like an attempt to...
swap a possibly bogus hangout for an almost certain bogus hangout with an even bigger potential booby trap.
I can just hear the dialogue between the multiple tag teams:
Team#341: Nano-thermite is just a limited hangout, a cover-story to hide the real truth, which is that nukes were used to bring down the towers. Don't listen to those nano-thermite wackos!
Team#454: Oh yea? Bull crap! We know it was space beams that were the Coup de grâce! THAT is what all those other fakes are trying to cover up with all this the nano-crap and nuke bull shit. Don't listen to them, we have the ultimate truth!
Team#108: Not so fast! Didn't you see the UFO's in some of the videos of the wtc attack? THAT is why there was so much video fakery going on. Think about it! What do you think explains all the weird colors and atomization of the steel in mid air? The ET's used their star-trek-like materials atomizer/transporter which atomized the steel and then re-constituted it onto the back side of the planet Kleptomania, duh! Sheesh, I can't believe how many bogus theories are floating around to confuse the truth movement and hide the real perpetrators...
Team#[insert next tag team number]:
[insert next bogus hangout]
repeat...ad infinitum...
so, Keenan
are you 100% convinced that nanothermite and Steven Jones are the cat's meow?
sorry, you said "possibly bogus"..
so what about the molten metal?
How can I be 100% convinced
How can I be 100% convinced that nanothermite and Steven Jones are the cat's meow if I said "possibly bogus"? Didn't you answer your own question? And, when did I ever say I was convinced that Steven Jones was the cat's meow? A reading of my posts on WTCD since 2007 would strongly indicate that I've had doubts about Steven Jones for a long time.
I think I've been pretty clear on my views on nanothermite: namely, that I consider it a strong possibility that nanothermite or another form of thermite was used in the demolitions, but I can no longer trust the Journal of 9/11 Studies as a source.
I am 100% convinced that there was molten metal.
Edit: Think of it this way: My take on nanothermite vs most of the scientists promoting it is similar to Gretavo's take on the flyover theory:
"...CIT and the fly-over theory. I personally don't trust the former but believe the latter to be quite possible."
PS: I do remember willyloman saying something to the effect that I think Steven Jones is the cats meow, but as we've seen, willy puts a lot of words in a lot of peoples' mouths.
sorry, Keenan
I reacted and posted too quickly, then reread and self-corrected within the same post.
That being said, I am going to continue reading this Prager piece. it makes sense to me that at least three (see comment to Willy) methods were used.
I just watched a Steven Jones video pimped by Bursill...
... the "Hard Evidence Tour Down Under", in which Jones says that he definitely believes that "nanothermite" was used only as an "electric match". I still don't see how one gets "tons" of electric matches that never went off during the demolition, but there you have it. Bursill just put this up on Blogger again. Jones also talks a bit about April Gallop but somehow he forgets to mention the part of her statement that she walked out of the damaged area of the Pentagon without seeing a massive 757 stuffed in a little office.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVtzsRFGN1o&feature=related
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth. JFK
thanks, Willy, now isn't it possible
at least 3 methods were used for different aspects of the demolition? thermonuclear to rock the foundation and girders, nanothermite to cut through the support beams, and (if I'm not mistaken, your theory) ultrapowerful but more conventional explosives on the floor pans to pulverize the multiple floors and concrete.
sure it's possible...
but "nanothermite" won't cut through steel beams at a rate that is required to bring down 110 floors at a rate of roughly 7-9 floors per second. Even Steven Jones admits that now and theorizes the material was probably used only as an electric match which ignites conventional explosives.
but he still hasn't and will not run simple tests to see if residues of high explosives are present in the samples that he has. Why is that?
The guy who wrote this paper did an interview which is now all over the internet and the Truth community is talking about mini-nukes again. In the second of his 26 videos of this interview, he states that Flight 77 hit the North Tower, that there were no planes that hit any of the buildings, that TV fakery was used to fool us, and then he goes on to give clearly incorrect details about the construction of the Twin Towers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPRDUgUFsyk&feature=related
after that I trust nothing that he says and in fact there is no reason to weaken the bottoms of the tower's core as that they do that in bottom up demolitions (like Building 7 so that is possible) but not in top-down demolitions like those of the Twin Towers.
so yes, it is possible with regard to Building 7 but again, you watch his video and tell me what you think of him.
again, I have written about this. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2011/02/22/presenting-the-next-cit-snipe...
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth. JFK
arguing about demolition methods...
I'm not going to say we shouldn't speculate... of course there's room for that, but at the same time we need to bear in mind that no matter what was used, it wasn't planes alone. That's why David Chandler's work is so good in my opinion-to the extent that he sticks to his own expertise his arguments are unassailable and enough to justify a new, genuine investigation.
That said, i have my own opinions based on what we know. We know, for example, that explosions were timed to coincide with the plane crashes. This makes sense as the perps would have wanted to take advantage of the distraction. These need not have been anything special-conventional high explosives like rdx would do. I don't know that it was definitely rdx, the point is that it didn't have to be anything terribly exotic.
We also know that someting was used to produce molten iron. Simple thermite could do this and do it relatively quietly which again served the purpose of discretion. A combination of explosives and thermite could therefore have been used pre-collapse to trigger a spontaneous looking initiation of collapse. If for example they used explosives and thermite at the base, the effect would have been to overload the perimeter columns which I believe were normally responsible for 40% of the gravity load. At the point of impact where the collapse was supposed to appear to begin the fact that the core structre was in essence now (with several basement columns severed) pulling down via the hat truss (the structure at the top joining the core to the perimeter columns) and the fact that the planes had taken out some of the perimeter columns and secondary explosives some of the core columns shows why the tops did in fact appear to overwhelm the perimeter columns.
Once collapse began, a series of timed conventional explosives was used to prevent the tops from stopping on impact with the lower section and give the appearance of the tops falling through and crushing the lower sections. This seems to be the simplest explanation, and seems quite feasible both technically and logistically...
Dimitry gets even better...
Just found the interview with Gordon Duff and Dimitry on Barrett's show and guess what? add "the Jews did it" to Dimitry's long list of valid research.
"UPDATE: I just listened to an interview on Kevin Barrett’s show with Gordon Duff and Dimitri Khalezov and it’s even worse than I thought. It’s literally every single despicable ”conspiracy theory” from no-planes, to TV fakery, and now you can actually add… “the Jews did it”. On this show Dimitri talks about how he is good friends with legendary Mossad agent Mike Harari and he tells of how on Sept. 12th 2001, Harari had him over for breakfast and they were celebrating the demolition of the Twin Towers, which according to Dimitri, Hariri took full credit for. Not only that, but apparently Dimitri spends ALOT of time in Thailand and that is where he just happened to meet Harari who, once he got to know him and liked him, told him about the super secret “nuclear controlled demolition” process sometime before 9/11. That’s right… “the Jews did it”… we can add that to the list of things Dimitri brings to the table right before the tenth anniversary of 9/11."
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth. JFK
well, Duff and Barrett, now some dude no one's even heard of?
big surprise, eh! sure seems like both the blatant and subtle fake truhers are experience similar shark-jumping tendencies. perhaps they are working up to some 10th anniversary Truthaggedon?
Truthaggedon
You know I am going to have to steal that, right?
(how do I make this avatar smaller?)
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth. JFK
Dimitry claims these devices were 150 kilotons... each...
Little Boy was 13-16 kilotons
Fat Man was 21 kilotons
and Dimitry claims that these devices were 150 kilotons? can we please be done with this?
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth. JFK
Kevin Barrett was laughing at them at the end of the interview
Didn't seem to go over too well with Gordon Duff.
Nukes under the towers, nukes stuck in the side of the towers, a nuke on the tip of the vintage soviet missile that was launched from a submarine that hit the Pentagon and the Americans had to use the emergency nukes under the towers to negate the nukes stuck in the top of the towers, or at least that is what they were told.
and yes, Kevin was laughing at it as he signed off.
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth. JFK
did you actually take the
did you actually take the time to watch the Dimitri Khalezov documentary interview? He explains how virtually every event unfolded on 9/11 and provides clear evidence to back up each claim. He provides testimony as to exactly how the WTC towers were demolished. Seems more than fair for you to watch what this man has to say seeing as you have a blog site called "WTC Demolition".
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNuKAdGlxFo
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c39O-ftZboU