911Blogger: The Catholics Did 9/11

Re: http://911blogger.com/news/2011-01-21/seymour-hershs-new-book-detail-how...
Full disclosure here: I was born into a Catholic culture, and though neither of my parents is religious I was baptized and, to please a grandmother who had become religious in her old age, received my first communion. I "believed" until I was about 8 years old (mainly because of grandma) and my only interest in Christianity since has been historical and to the extent that Jesus' message can be discerned from the new testament, in its moral, not supernatural content. I do not feel any particular affinity towards Catholicism though I believe that as with any other spiritual tradition it has not been *entirely* negative in its effects on humanity. In some cases the church has been the only champion of the poor and oppressed--most notably in those countries (mainly in Latin America) where Liberation Theology has flourished. Historically I see the Catholic Church as a powerful establishment institution, one with a complex history of power struggle with other elites.
With that established, let me get to the point. It appears that Seymour Hersh, no friend of 9/11 truth, recently gave a speech in Doha, Qatar, where he shared some of the alleged facts he was to reveal in his upcoming book on the Bush/Cheney years. Denounced by some in the mainstream media as a conspiracy-laden rant, Hersh's speech is described in part by the website Foreign Policy:
"[The] attitude was, 'What's this? What are they all worried about,
the politicians and the press, they're all worried about some looting?"
Hersh was quoted as saying. "Don't they get it? We're gonna change
moseques into cathedrals. And when we get all the oil, nobody's gonna
give a damn.' That's the attitude. We're gonna chance mosques into
cathedrals. That's an attitude that pervades, I'm here to say, a large
percentage of the Joint Special Operations Command [JSOC]."He further claimed that Gen. Stanley McChrystal, Vice Admiral William
McRaven and others in the JSOC were members of the "Knights of Malta"
and "Opus Dei," two little known Catholic orders."They do see what they're doing -- and this is not an atypical
attitude among some military -- it's a crusade, literally," Hersh
reportedly continued. "They see themselves as the protectors of the
Christians. They're protecting them from the Muslims [as in] the 13th
century. And this is their function."He added that members of these societies have developed a secret set
of insignias that represent "the whole notion that this is a culture
war" between religions.It was President George W. Bush who first invoked images of a holy war in the Middle East, when he suggested soon after Sept. 11, 2001 that the US was on a "crusade" in the region.
The "Knights of Malta"
were a Catholic order founded in 1085 as a group of monks who cared
for the wounded. It evolved into a military order that safeguarded
Christian pilgrims from Muslims during the nine "Crusades," where
Europe's Christian states laid siege to Muslims for control of Jerusalem."Opus Dei," popularly depicted in the Hollywood film "The DaVinci Code," was founded in 1928 and officially accepted as part of the Catholic church in 1947. The group's website claimed their principle calling was to bring about a "Christian renewal" around the world.
911Blogger put this story on their front page, though it would seem not to have much to do with 9/11--Hersh certainly does not draw any connections, and presumably would only argue that Arab Muslims' attack on America served as a welcome pretext for the evil Bush/Cheney and Catholic Cabal to launch their crusade. Enter the comments, where user John Parulis helps to "connect the dots":
http://911blogger.com/news/2010-01-17/connections-connections
I've been talking about Opus Dei possibly connected to 9/11 for some
time. Glad someone of Hersh's caliber gets it too. . There's a lot there
worthy of serious investigation and someone already has. It's Robert
Hutchison's Their Kindom Come Inside the Secret World of Opus
Dei. When I read this book, I didn't expect to find Hutchison's focus to
be so weighted on Opus Dei banking and financial misdeeds and even
perhaps murder -( Clavi banking scandal ). The marks of secret society
are written all over the events of 9/11.To do something as extreme as
9/11 indicates a high degree of religious belief, because religions have
specialized in this type of brutality for millennia. Especially
religions interwoven with military power. These people are extremely
dangerous and they hold the reigns of power. If this battle is to be won
then it may have to see the energization of a healthy spirituality- a
people friendly-earth friendly spirituality like the First Nations
people held sacred. And a healthy dose of exposure of the darkness. Way
to go Hersh!Submitted by John_Parulis on Sun, 01/23/2011 - 1:55am.
I guess "The marks of secret society
are written all over the events of 9/11" is one of those claims like "the attack had all the hallmarks of al Qaeda" - we just have to take the experts' word for the fact that it did, whatever those marks may be. In the case of secret societies and 9/11 I assume it has something to do with the symbolism of the Pentagon and, um, the secret handshakes that, uh.... OK, so maybe I need to read more Alex Jones.
I am not here trying to argue that Opus Dei are a group of misunderstood nice guys--it's a right wing faction in the Catholic Church, one that is opposed to Liberation Theology and seems to be as interested in Mammon as in God. If there is compelling evidence of their involvement of 9/11 it should be discussed, of course. It seems however that there isn't such compelling evidence either for Opus Dei's involvement or for the role played in 9/11 by any Catholic cabal. That there have been religious zealots discovered acting inappropriately in the conduct of their military duties is certainly true, but to suggest that "turning mosques into cathedrals" is actually a goal of the U.S. military in Iraq or anywhere else is absurd, and it sounds more like something that someone would say to Arabs and Muslims in order to sow discord between the world's billion muslims and billion christians - much as the war on terror itself seems designed to do. In any case, we know how 911Blogger feels about people pointing out how fervent Zionists are everywhere to be found in the story of 9/11 and its coverup--does their sensitivity to pseudo-religious identities not extend to Christians? Apparently not.
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a good honest critique of the Catholic Church
by one of my favorite writers on Israel/Palestine, Joel Kovel.
THE THEOCRACY OF JOHN PAUL II* published in The Socialist Register 1987 Joel Kovel On the Church in the Modern World The Catholic church is the senior institution of Western civilisation, its unbroken line of succession running like a spine from the height of the
Roman Empire to the present. This phenomenal endurance is the product of a genius capable of a fluid adaptation to the vicissitudes of history, while retaining a granite core of identity. The conjuncture of these two trails is of course a sine qua non for any successful religion; but in the case of Roman Catholicism it is all the more remarkable given the marked degree of temporal power associated with the church. The secular orders with which it has been associated have gone their way; but the church endures, borrowing, adapting, transforming its outer shell when necessary.
Today, long past the tocsin announced for it by the Enlightenment, Catholicism continues to grow in influence. The Emperor Constantine's conversion to Christianity in 312 gave Catholicism status as a centralised state religion and an enduring appetite for power. When Pepin, in 756, granted the Church extensive territories in central Italy, he created the base for Roman Catholicism's hegemonic role in feudal society. A spectacular trajectory ensued as the church soared at first over what came to be called Christendom, and then, with the coming of the modern era, sputtered into a long descent of irrelevance and corruption. Outflanked by Protestantism, increasingly subjugated by the modern state (especially in the course of the French Revolution), and unable to comprehend the class struggles set into motion by capitalism, Catholicism appeared for some time to be involuting. A nadir was apparently reached in 1870, when an enfeebled Papacy relinquished control of its territory to the emergent Italian state.
Read the rest:
http://jps.library.utoronto.ca/index.php/srv/article/view/5553
Parulis responds
I never said "Catholics" did 9/11 read my post again.
What I am trying to draw attention towards is the role that secret societies play in global politics and high levels of government.
Read Robert Hutchison's well documented study of Opus Dei called "Their Kingdom Come". Opus has a militant wing it would appear, as Hutchison points out in many cases. The CIA was an early contributor because of Opus' opposition to Spanish communists. Opus members are involved in Vatican banking, global banking, military armaments and destabilization efforts of foreign governments. It is thought that Blackwater's Eric Prince, Antonin Scallia and other high level Catholics are members. These secret societies have perfected the art of secret keeping yet, the truth leaks out if some are able to survive hit lists. Unfortunately, Roberto Clavi wasn't one of them. Read the book.
I too was a Catholic having attended Catholic grammar, high school and college. I was Jesuit educated and my uncle was a Marian Priest. I understand the mind set very well.
Seymour Hersh has uncovered something worth investigating. He's talking about the highest levels of the US military for God's sake. Take another look.
the point as I see it
(and I welcome your feedback) is that all too often we find people like Seymour Hersh who have done the cause of 9/11 truth no favors, being given attention by professed 9/11 truth seekers because they offer up some information or analysis the purpose of which is to cast suspicion on certain elites, who far from innocent in history, are as far as I can see only marginally linked to the events of 9/11. This is not to say that they have not sought to use 9/11 to their advantage--any number of people have done that, who had nothing to do with the crime itself. However valid a critique of these elites may be in itself, my problem is when that critique is used to give the false impression that there is more "there" than there is in reality with regard to their links to the 9/11 crimes. When the critiques are posted prominently on a 9/11 truth website that is the natural conclusion that people are meant to draw. When in turn there is no credible counter-argument offered as is clearly the case on the obviously compromised 911blogger, my suspicion is that the purpose is to find a viable scapegoat to focus the movement's attention and ire on someone other than the real perpetrators. If the fake truth movement wasn't fake, it would devote at least as much time and energy to investigating Larry Silverstein and his shady past and present entanglements as it has to the Bush family (the WASP faction of elites,) the conservative Islamists (the Saudi faction of elites) and as they are now suggesting by their link to Hersh's talk should be devoted to investigating Catholic-inspired secret societies. I'll tell you what, let's shine a big bright light on the overt WASP establishment, the conservative Islamists, the Catholic (semi-)secret societies, AND on the far more secretive and far more powerful Zionist elites and then talk. But of course that will not happen. Not in the mainstream media, not in the so-called alternative media, not in the so-called truth media. Why? Because then the whole edifice of pitting large groups against each other as a means of controlling them and through that "strategy of tension" as much of the world as possible would be in grave peril of collapsing into its own footprint, leaving little to the imagination as to the nature of the crimes involved.
look at it this way...
the WASPs hate the --> Catholics hate the --> Muslims hate the --> Jews hate the --> WASPs etc.
Yes there is some cross-hatred there, without question, as well as some effort at fighting the tendencies to historical feuding and grudges. Notwithstanding the fact that reality is not as simple as a diagram, the point should be clear. If we do not rise above the fray and look upon this dynamic without bias and most importantly without fear of breaking taboos we will never understand how the elites at the top of the pyramid see and manipulate humanity.
rising above the fray
the absolute need to rise above the fray, step outside our tribal affiliations, religious, and political associations to a common identity and force for change bound by our love for social justice and compassion for the poor and less fortunate. have we ever seen a manipulation as evil and psychopathological as what was perpetrated on 9/11/01?
i am so fed up with the small-minded imposed and manipulated hateful obsessions with regard to the "tea party", libertarians, Glenn Beck, Christie, class warfare, etc., i see over and over by my fellow dems on social networks like FB.
Back To Opus
I was somewhat astonished to read in Hutchison's book on Opus, that most of the analysis concerned Opus financial dealings. I believe any secret society with that much financial pull ought to be looked into by a wide spectrum of investigative journalists, so, I support what Hersh is doing.
I find it also very interesting that so called "wasps" and arch conservative Catholics have formed close alliances in the past 10 years. Eric prince came from a devout "fundamentalist" sect in the mid west. Some of these fundamentalists consider the Pope to be an anti-christ. So odd that Prince would switch. Why? Really? Money and power are two inseparable commodities. Operations like 9/11, safe to say, took extraordinary amounts of money to enable. Look for the money hole wherever it may be...
John
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