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What's up with David Chandler and Jonathan Cole's recent statement on the Pentagon? Chandler is a fake truther with an agenda to promote the official story with regard to the Pentagon. 29% (18 votes) Chandler is honest but has been duped by Jim Hoffman and Victoria (Victronix) Ashley into denouncing CIT. 44% (27 votes) Chandler is honest but has been duped by a joint CIT/Hoffman squeeze play. 27% (17 votes) Total votes: 62 »
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Chandler is honest...
...and knows more than you will ever know about 9/11, and even about how to write a reasonably objective survey.
I have very little doubt...
...that he is, which is why it is so important for the limited hangout faction to win him over. i do think you misunderestimate my knowledge of 9/11 though. While Chandler knows a great deal about the physics of the collapse, I wager I know a bit more than him about the history of the truth movement and perhaps a few other things. also, if you think my goal is ever to come up with a reasonably objective survey then you fail to grasp the thrust of this site. one point I like people to come away with is that they should never take anything at face value by default--on this site or any other, or from any source whatsoever. there is a fine gray area between manufactured consensus and fractious cognitive infiltration, which is the realm of the real truth seekers.
This is a post by Shure aka
This is a post by Shure aka Jeffrey Hill, known in the truth movement both for his phone calls (including to Danny Jowenko where DJ confirmed his assessment that WTC7 was demolished) but also for his having been for a time an advocate of the "video fakery" no planes hit the towers claim. He posted in the long thread at 911blogger about Chandler and Cole's Pentagon statement. I find it interesting that this person, who is more than likely a fake truther, is posting a National Geographic documentary (made by the same people who made another OCT supporting docu 102 Minutes that Changed America.)
The NatGeo documentary can't, of course, be taken at face value, but it does, like all of the OCT-firendly docus, contain footage from the day that despite its selection and arrangement to support the official narrative, can be of some use. I find it interesting, for example, that everyone at the Pentagon including rescue workers were apparently told several times that because another plane was believed to be approaching they had to get clear of the building. Were these opportunities for planting the larger pieces of debris that appear later in the narrative but not in the earliest shots? And, what to make of the claims by some of a helicopter in the area? Or a prop-plane that came behind "AA77" and then banked away as that one allegedly impacted? Finally, some of the witnesses included here sound a bit scripted to me and in some cases just don't sit right...
Witness: DC 9/11 | National Geographic Channel
A video I have never seen until today! Thank you Matt for putting it online and letting me know.
2nd small prop plane
Isn't Shure called "Jeff Hill" also?
The eyewitness account of a second smaller prop plane that veered off is a second hand account by a man who gives his story and then says something like..."this lady said she saw a second plan".
The man is being interviewed by someone and looks around and says "where is that lady at?".
The interviewer and the man don't find the lady and her account is not actually reported beyond this guy saying he heard her say this.
On another topic...It's hilarious to watch as the fake truthers offer up SHURE as some sort of 'successfully reformed 911 NO PLANES Truther' who came to his senses...of course because of them. I think he's fake. Anyone who's goin to call up a witness drunk and belligerent, harassing people and being an asshole..recording the exchange and showing it to the world...probably fake.
Rick Renzi
That is Rick Renzi convicted corrupt Republican congressman(see pics of him w/ Bush/Cheney) son of a defense contractor. Renzi had direct intelligence ties also. That footage was before he became congressman for AZ and in one article on his eyewitness experience he was merely listed as a "law student". If you see the full version of that interview, he imitates/describes an impossible "dive bomb" into the building which conflicts with the north path witnesses AND the official path and data. There is also a BBC propaganda interview piece with he did in a suit and tie where he describes the same dive bomb trajectory which was an obvious improvised lie. See youtube (search Craig Ranke's youtube name "lytetrip")
The woman he is referring to does not exist. If you watch and listen carefully you can tell he is trying to utilize the 2nd plane cover story by making it appear the planes came in at the same time.
belligerent exchange
has this gone down the memory hole?
belligerent exchange here:
http://vimeo.com/12411477
Shure starts "Illiterates for 9/11 Truth" Facebook group...
The Power of Facebook Concerning 9/11
Submitted by shure on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 8:31am
The Power of Facebook Concerning 9/11
Recently I have noticed that facebook has become a very popular tool when it comes to trying to bring the truth out about September 11, 2001. Unfortunately, as some have been aware of for years, interesting conspiracy theories continue to win out over the truth when it comes to people's opinions. Why? Because disinfo is always working harder than the truth! All the other groups are full of conspiracy theories and few, if any FACTS! People that don't care about the truth are trying their hardest at making sure it stays that way as long as they can.
If Alex Jones gets one thing right, there is a war on for our minds!
Now that we are approaching the tenth year anniversary of nothing getting done, I am asking anybody and everybody that cares about the truth, not conspiracy theories, to please join the facebook group I made called "The Truth Movement". Just by joining and having your name there makes a BIG difference. So please consider my request and help me help you.
The group can be located at the following link on facebook:
The Truth Movement
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2540075712
The Truth Movement
Category:Common Interest - History
Description:
We are dedicated people trying to bring justice to the victims of the events which took place on September 11, 2001. These attacks resulted in over 3000 immediate deaths of innocent people while the numbers continue to grow everyday because of this atrocity.
As the tenth anniversary of 9/11 soon approaches, a lot of truly sincere people out there have did their best to try and get some answers to the many unanswered questions concerning events surrounding that day.
Unfortunately too many good people have been systematically lead down the wrong path by chasing baseless conspiracy theories! As a result of this, nothing postitive gets accomplished and only leads to endless, time wasting, debates over various opinions.
This could also be the reason why the subject of 9/11 has been marginalized by the main stream media for so many years, just as most of us have marginalized the REAL research for so many years!
This group has been constructed as a place where people can come to find REAL FACTS and HARD EVIDENCE which conclusively proves, beyond any reasonable doubt, that we have still not been told the truth concerning what really happened on the morning of September 11, 2001.
The only way we are going to credibly deconstruct the Final 9/11 Report at this point is to throw out all the speculation and theories and get them with their own evidence. Their documents, interviews and records are finally being released. We need to go chapter by chapter and link the statement to the footnote to the cited reference in the released documents and then work back to the claim from the evidence.
Please try to take the time to go through some of the various information presented here so you will be better equipped to give answers as to why you say "9/11 was an inside job!".
Thank you for taking the time to do some REAL research!
Sincerely,
The Truth Movement.
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Thanks,
Jeff
www.pumpitout.com
.ps; if anyone has a problem with me linking to their sites, please just let me know and I will remove the links. If anyone would like me to link to their sites, please also let me know.
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Thank you for posting this blog.
Submitted by shure on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:42am.
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Thank you
Thank you Michael Wolsey and John Bursill for becoming administrators for this facebook group.
Submitted by shure on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 5:48pm
corrected...
...to Jeffrey Hill--not sure where I got "Rush" from. He now seems to have gotten David Chandler to become an admin of his new facebook group. Jeebus Christopher...