Do you believe this woman?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fdOyH_EYF0
T. Carter - Flight 77 Attendant (COPA Conference 2002)
T. CARTER, flight attendant, was scheduled to fly on her regular flight, AA 77, on Sept. 11, 2001, but she instead opted out of duty thatday, and her friend and fellow flight attendant, Rene, took the plane, replacing her.
Rene boarded AA 77 in Washington DC and on this regularly scheduled route, proceeded to Dallas. Over Ohio, Rene called her mother on her cell phone and told her to call American Airlines Operations and report that the plane had been hijacked. Rene said there were 6 hijackers. Press releases since then have only reported 5 hijackers, but that is a separate subject due to its size and scope. There were no sounds of struggle when Rene phoned her mother and Rene did not call her again.
In an affidavit, T. Carter states that she went to the crash site within 48 hours after the 757 hit the Pentagon, with her mother, to give support to the crews retrieving bodies and wreckage. Her visit could have been late in the day Sept. 11, or on Sept. 12. At the pentagon, she recognized the tail section of AA 77 that she had flown on many times, as she walked past it. The tail was on the grass, near the crash site. She went inside the pentagon and saw other parts of this plane that she knew from her work. She saw many charred bones of people, among the luggage. She saw more parts of the plane inside the pentagon, and recognized them as parts of the plane that she used to fly on.
T. Carter was shown photographs, a few days later, of the crash scene, and identified the bracelet she had given her friend Rene, for her birthday, on the charred arm bones of her friend. T. Carter has no doubts that Flight 77 crashed into the pentagon on Sept. 11th.
I first heard T. describe her memories of the Pentagon crash, in Dallas at the COPA Conference on the anniversary of the JFK assassination, on Nov. 23, 2002. She was still shaken by the loss of her friend and the devastation she had seen on Sept. 11, 01.
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This is part of John Judge's Pentagon Fairy Tale Series
John Judge preten...I mean claimed that T. Carter was coincidentally his personal friend. Nobody has ever seen this person after her one appearence at Judge's 2002 conference, or at least John Judge could never produce her when anybody ever requested to talk to her directly. His reasoning was that he had to protect her from the skeptics (like us) who I guess might...uh...attack her or something.
In John Judge's more elaborate versions of the story, this mystery American Airlines stewardess who just so happens to be John's person friend, amazingly also happened to be 1) John's fellow conspiracy researcher, 2) had special security clearance to walk around inside of the Pentagon, 3) was given a job to drive around the Pentalawn in a golf cart and trailer setup giving fellow airline employees tours of the area, 4) was an expert air crash and plane parts identifier, 5) was actually a Space Shuttle astronaut. Ok, I lied about #5. John didn't really claim she was a Space Shuttle Astronaut. But is the rest of this list any more credible than the last item?
We've discussed this LIHOP clown on wtcd, such as in this thread.
Dave McGowan has a pretty spot on and humorous article about Judge and his absurd fairy tale about this T Carter super woman character on his Center for an Informed America web site.
Not exactly easy to find at
Not exactly easy to find at McGowan's site. It's
NEWSLETTER #68E
April 12, 2005
September 11, 2001 Revisited
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr68e.html
And then there was this mention of Judge:
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr9.html
Why not make this a poll
Why not make this a poll question?
Russian space officials
Russian space officials fired over the loss of three navigation satellites that crashed into the sea this month.
No one was killed in the crashes. However, the Russian business daily Vedomosti said the satellites had been insured for only 5 percent of their value.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101229/sc_nm/us_russia_satellite
And the number of US firings to date of military officials over the losses on 9/11/2001 are...?
interesting that video was just uploaded a few days ago
As you can see, the video clip is from John Judge's COPA conference of 2002, a conference that seems to have been devoted primarily to propping up the weakest parts of the OCT. Perhaps the conference should have been called "9/11 Damage Control Conference by Fake LIHOPer John Judge". After this public appearance, T. Carter seems to have disappeared and would not make herself available for questioning or any follow up. It's the oldest trick in the book. "Well, I know someone personally who was there!" or "My friends died on that flight, so don't you dare DON'T YOU DARE question the story of AA77 crashing into the Pentagon!" "I even know who sat next to Hani Hanjour!, so there!"
Just another fake "witness" trotted out by pre-planted fake truther John Judge, to be added to the list of all the other dozens of fake "witnesses" of the AA77 crash at the Pentagon. Yea, the two titanium engines vaporized, but somehow "Rene's" arm with bracelet was conveniently found by her fellow flight attendant friend. Oh, and of course she "recognized the tail of AA77 on the grass, near the crash site". And she has a point, because its obvious looking at all of the publicly available photos of the crash site that the tail of AA77 is clearly visible on the Pentalawn...
Seriously, who writes this shit?
.. according to John Judge...
This flight attendant was allowed to cruise around the crime scene and walk into the crash scene while body parts were still on the ground..
"She saw other parts of the plane and engine parts at a distance but they were familiar to her. She did not see any galley supplies, which she would have recognized as well, nor any jump seats. All the parts were charred but colors were still visible. She also saw charred human bones but not any flesh or full body parts." John Judge
He also explains something that I noticed... you know that famous part of the plane that was outside on the lawn and uncharred? The one that had lettering on it" I noticed that it was too small to be the lettering on the side of Flight 77 about 2 years ago. well, John says that is understandable because "smaller" logos were on the plane. I would like for him to show me a picture of Flight 77 with a smaller American Airlines logo on it.
"Smaller A/A logos and "American" logos are also on the planes and she saw parts of those." John Judge
Now here is an interesting... VERY interesting tidbit of info that John just happened to toss out there...
"She went to briefings by Pentagon people at the Sheraton for 3 months afterwards, and the clean-up lasted for a long period. She is a union representative for attendants as well, and briefings continue. Families and attendants were at the briefings, along with Pentagon and airline people." John Judge
This was written in 2004 and the video we all saw of "t." was in 2002, meaning all of her "testimony" came after her 3 month "briefings" and apparently WHILE she was STILL undergoing "briefing' sessions with the Pentagon.
I remember April Gallop telling Ventura that the Pentagon officials were trying to tell her what she saw that day. I also remember a witness at the Trade Center telling a reporter that the FBI had architects with them when he told them what he saw, the architect "explained" that he didn't see explosions.
Seems to me that "T." was instructed as too what she saw or didn't see and that process was ongoing for quite sometime. Also seems to me that Judge's relationship with her makes it harder for him to see this.
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/PAandAAF77.html
"The future is not inherited, it is achieved." JFK
I disagree, Judge knows
I disagree, Judge knows whats up and knows exactly what he is doing in my opinion. Anybody happen to know how to contact him? You can't through his site last I checked.
I bet John Judge was one of the script writers, if not
THE script writer for T. Carter's BS story. John Judge should find another profession, though, because he is absolutely the worst script writer I've ever encountered.
I wouldn't doubt it. Judge
I wouldn't doubt it. Judge has been doing what he does for decades now, this is not new for him. Like many good disinfo tools he seems to be unreachable, the better to avoid tough questions I guess.
Yeah...
... for someone who supposedly understands and has studied the assassination of JFK, he seems quite comfortable telling people that his "witness" friend was given 3 months of "briefings" from the Pentagon officials without batting an eye. Of course, many witnesses in '63 were also "briefed" as to what they saw that day by the Secret Service or the FBI.
John Judge is either a shill or a useful LIHOP idiot. TomT left this comment on another thread at Blogger, started by the same person who posted that old "T." video...
"Our "North Texans for 9/11 Truth" Group had asked John Judge: "What is the criteria for having a table at your COPA Dallas Event?"
John responded: "We do not have tables from outside organizations at our conferences. JFK Last Hurrah books runs our resource room with books and tapes. Our focus is political assassinations, though we have discussed 9/11 issues in the past. We are not aligned with the 9/11 Truth movement and we do not support many of its primary claims about the Pentagon and NYC attacks. Our conferences are open to the public but are not a forum for other groups to push their issues, which 9/11 Truth often does at public meetings. If you or your members want to attend to learn about political assassinations and discuss them, you are welcome. Solicitation and pamphleteering are discouraged. We are the serious end of the research community into political assassinations in the current period and we feature authors who are working on current evidence. Thanks for asking - John Judge "
http://911blogger.com/news/2010-08-01/conversation-researcher-and-lectur...
This needs repeating...
"We are not aligned with the 9/11 Truth movement and we do not support many of its primary claims about the Pentagon and NYC attacks" John Judge
The Blogger post, by "shure", is of an audio interview he did with John Judge and apparently in the last few minutes of the interview, Judge makes it clear that the Twin Towers came down just like NIST says and that the official story of 9/11 is absolutely correct.
So it would not surprise me in the slightest if Judge himself wrote this chic's script and that would probably explain why she keeps looking over at him for encouragement.
"The future is not inherited, it is achieved." JFK
John Judge is full of shit
I found this at his website... and it syncs up with a statement I read from him about Flight 77 having been on the radar for most of the flight. That of course is not supported by known facts. In fact, early reports all across the board had Flight 77 dropping off the radar and not being picked up again til just before it hit the Pentagon (or something did). In fact, even when it was picked back up, radar operators are on record stating they figured it was a fighter because of it's speed and maneuvering.
But this is what John Judge has been basing his deliberate misinfo on...
"AA77 was briefly lost to radar but back on by
9:05 according to a speaker at the recent American Airline Pilots Association gathering." John Judge
He offers no link to support that claim and unquestioningly accepts the anonymous statement by someone at a "gathering" then repeats it over and over as fact.
And this is a "researcher"? He's full of shit. And so is his witness, to answer the original question of the thread.
"The future is not inherited, it is achieved." JFK