Thread hijacking by the fake truth crowd backfires
http://911blogger.com/news/2010-09-15/san-franciscos-9th-annual-911-trut...
This is a blog by Carol Brouillet about the 9/11/2010 events in the Bay Area, for which the first comment is John Bursill, asking her to refudiate Kevin Barrett. Predictable shitstorm ensues in which YT/cosmos is again asked to provide his real name and to clarify whether Mark Rothenberg is his UNCLE uncle or his "uncle" uncle, which he predictably refuses to do.
My guess is that cosmos' "real name" (the name on his passport, social security card, etc.) is something that he feels uncomfortable with because it sounds "Jewish" to him. Frankly, when this occurred to me, I had to do a sort of cognitive double-take. You see, if he'd been operating -- openly, semi-openly, anything other than in complete opacity -- all along with a name that could be connected to a "Jewish" identity, I wouldn't have raised an eyebrow. I don't know if he identifies as a Jew in any sense. If he does -- or if other people identify him as such -- it never would have crossed my mind to ascribe significance to the fact except that now it seems like the most likely motivation for his desire to be an anonymous Cher/Moby/Iman one-name wannabe.
I think this is internalized antisemitism and it saddens me.
Cosmos and his abusive bully clique isolate themselves further
Cosmos and his insane clown posse are now escalating their abusive circlejerk self-righteous bullying against the rest of the truth movement with their current campaign against Kevin Barrett for what they are claiming is his recent slander and abuse against Cosmos. Using their trademark tactic of demanding that people join their faction and denounce their opponents in lockstep under the threat of being added to their enemies list, they are currently attempting to force Carol Brouillet to side with them against Kevin Barrett in a similar fashion.
To her credit, Carol Brouillet is trying to stay above the fray and refusing to be bullied by this gang, just as Peter Dale Scott refused to do last year when he instead complained about their destructive behavior and admonished them to not "discredit the truth movement by wanton attacks on each other."
John Bursill levied the initial threat and got the ball rolling, butting into Carols's latest blog thread with his disingenuous "I am sorry to do this..." routine:
http://911blogger.com/news/2010-09-15/san-franciscos-9th-annual-911-trut...
Then Cosmos joined in:
Someone who hosted Barrett at her house recently then posted the following:
Then Cosmos pulls out his vile mud-slinging routine, dragging Barrett's wife, children and family through the mud with his favorite unproven allegations of domestic abuse thing against Barrett:
Of course, anybody who simply takes the word of what's written in a police report and then reported in the mainstream media as if it were the gospel truth, especially when it is against a high profile 9/11 truth personality that one would expect would be the target of a public smear campaign, when they should know better, does not deserve to be seen as anything but a professional shill working to sow discord within the movement.
darkbeforedawn points out:
Corol has actually talked to Barrett's wife and provided some good counter-points to Cosmos' mudslinging attempts.
Bursill drew a "line in the sand", followed by an excellent response by darkbeforedawn:
In comes Danse with his attempt to defend Cosmos with his typical straw man nonsense:
"What I can say about the people attacking Cosmos is that they have consistently promoted the most outlandish or offensive theories about 911, ranging from holograms to space beams to “no family members on the planes” to “the Jews did it”. You can make up your own mind about who is trustworthy and who is not."
Well Danse, unfortunately, the fact that none of the people mentioned in this thread, nor at the blog sites that are currently bringing attention to Cosmos' dishonesty over the Uncle thing have ever advocated such theories shows how dishonest you are. Your credibility has just dropped a few more notches.
I think Cosmos and his vile clique of slimy wreckers are in a panic and don't care how many bridges they burn, but I have a feeling that they are about to find out what happens when they finish dragging their reputations completely down into the gutter and alienate most of the truth movement, as they are currently doing. This is going to end badly for this vile group of fake truthers who have no right to the gatekeeping positions they have obtained at TrueFaction and Blah-ger
Thanks for cross-posting, Keenan
I think Cosmos and his vile clique of slimy wreckers are in a panic and don't care how many bridges they burn, but I have a feeling that they are about to find out what happens when they finish dragging their reputations completely down into the gutter and alienate most of the truth movement, as they are currently doing. This is going to end badly for this vile group of fake truthers who have no right to the gatekeeping positions they have obtained at TrueFaction and Blah-ger.
Especially once they have to get Jon Gold to add his two cents.
And it has become such a catastrophe
that even Jon Gold has emerged from self-imposed exile to weigh in. See, Gold knows cosmos' other name AND always knew that "Uncle Micky" was an "Uncle" uncle rather than an UNCLE uncle. Which is great but means nothing.
There are cultures in which older persons are addressed as uncle/aunt as an indication of respect, but as far as I know, middle class white America is not one. Cosmos knows this too -- or should have: calling someone your uncle indicates that the person is the brother of your mother or father (or spouse of a sister).
If your father were in the
If your father were in the Mafia, wouldn't other members of the "Family" be your uncles?
"Whoa, hey keeds! Look who's here. It's your Uncle Mickey from Brooklyn!"
Very insightful, casseia
That makes total sense regarding Cosmos' refusal to give his real name. I have a feeling that we are about to find out the real deal about this soonly.
that's funny...
...because my guess is that we will be made to THINK that it has been resolved very soon. Since people are increasingly curious as to Cosmos' identity, I can see him (and perhaps his handlers) deciding that the time has come for a staged "revelation" of Cosmos' identity, which will of course not be his REAL true identity, just what they want us to think it is. This is actually a good sign because at this point keeping one's true identity a secret would seem to be a problem only for the guilty (of something.) The TrueFaction crowd has made a small to-do about sussing out *my* true identity, and even used the information to try to get me in trouble at work (and failing miserably at it!) None of us who are pseudonymous yet whose identities are known to anyone who has been paying attention I think feel like we're in any danger-why would we? I don't believe for one second that the feds have their eye on me because of my 9/11 activism--if they do they're being damned lenient with me! I also don't fear the perps or their apologists because harming me would catapult my particular vision of real 9/11 truth into many more people's consciousness than I could otherwise manage, and I would die happily confident that I would be remembered as someone who never backed down from the very necessary struggle for truth, peace, and justice.
It used to be that fake truthers could, if they chose, feel safe using their real names because they probably thought they had everything under control and would never live to regret being known to the world. As Cosmos/YT demonstrates now, though, the fakers are probably starting to worry a little bit more that they will have to answer for their actions...
Very insightful, casseia
That makes total sense regarding Cosmos' refusal to give his real name. I have a feeling that we are about to find out the real deal about this soonly...
refudiate
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=refudiate
this word has a fascinating history/etymology
is what you're saying...
...that Cosmos/Fabio/Urkel is a self-hating (pardon the expression) "crypto-jew"? i'm confudiated...
just finished reading it
and I had to skip most of Carol Brouillet's story. Basically what we appear to be seeing is an ingathering of a bunch of the fake truth elite at 911B. Jon Gold is back from self-imposed exile. The old guard is there in the form of Brouillet, the new guard in the form of the TrueFaction clique. Even the subjects of their discussion are fake truthers: Jim Fetzer and Kevin Barrett, for example.
A scene is enacted where a lonely and heavily downvoted truther accuses YT/Cosmos/Nephew of lying about having a family member who died on 9/11, and the ostensibly diverse crowd uniformly rises in YTCN's defense. The talking points:
* lots of people have family friends they call aunt and uncle
* Cosmos is what his friends and family have known him as for 25 years so he doesn't have to give his real name
* The people accusing YT are holocaust-denying spacebeam-promoting no planers at the pentagon pod people who drown puppies
* Their work speaks for itself
Come on now...
Why is Kevin Barrett a fake truther?
I noticed you said that he's a prime candidate for being "controlled opposition to the controlled opposition."
Could the same speculation, hypothetically, be made of you? (Not that I actually do subscribe to that.) Just to play devil's advocate here... ;)
I've sometimes thought that TrueFaction and WTCD are A and B sides of the same record. Each camp does not post at the other at all, but each camp lurks at the other (including me), and then goes back to his own turf and says "Look at what so-and-so is saying here:" followed by a paste or screenshot of the opposing camp. And then I could say to myself, "hmm... am I being lured into the land of intra-movement gossip instead of spending my time organizing conferences or hitting the streets?" :)
Like I said Gret, that's just playing devil's advocate. I'm saying this because despite the criticism I've read about him, I still find KB to be a real truther. Sometimes I get the feeling you suspect EVERYONE of being a fake truther. Indeed I know this, because while we were facebook friends, we were chatting, and I joked that you might think I'm COINTELPRO, and made it clear I was joking by using a laughing smiley. Your response was, "Adam, to be frank, I assume everyone's an agent..." Now, is that really how you feel? How can you trust anyone who posts at your site if that's the case?
Except DRG ;)
Except DRG ;)
not the same
"I've sometimes thought that TrueFaction and WTCD are A and B sides of the same record."
As far as I know Gretavo and admins at WTCDemolition don't restrict people like Jon Gold, Cosmo and others from registering here and having a conversation. The same is not true for TruthAction.org and 911Blogger.com. These sites ban people based on:
1. other websites you visit
2. which research you value and focus on the most
3. which prominent 911 Truthers you support or don't support
4. which theories you are vocal about and which you are not
These creeps secretly moderate discourse and debate which then continues on one sided. They slap high fives and never mention to the community that they are not allowing their adversaries to continue the debate.
They provide a constant pressure on the community to conform. They use some of the most despicable methods. Like Jon Gold using The Family Members for so many years as his 'trump card' or Cosmos pulling KB's wife and kids into the argument (that's pathetic), or Bill Douglas's Shill Game scam which was unleashed on the 911Blogger community with the help of Reprehensor who gave Bill open access.
I've been around all these people and had contact with most of them at some time. Some I've met in person. I helped YT / Cosmos put up TruthAction.org and the install the forum. I met Jon Gold when I lived near Philly.
Over a period of 4-6 years I can say my experience tells me these people that run TruthAction.org and 911Blogger.com are fucking creepy and up to no good. I don't feel the same way about the people here at WTC Demolition.
let's just say it's not a coincidence
It's not a coincidence that the same groups that are notorious for censoring the debate are also notorious for pressuring people to devalue certain evidence that, in any other criminal investigation, would be starting points. ,
For example, Gold and others used to really pimp Omar Said Shekh as the 'money master' or even mastermind of 9/11. Apparently, by order of Gen. Mahmood (Pakistani ISI), Omar wired $100k to the hijackers. Jon Gold takes us all the way to Pakistan while simultaneously downplaying evidence from the scene. What's more likely:
1. The spooks in Pakistan were involved
2. The spooks in NYC / NJ celebrating in disguise were involved?
IMO, forces working for the interests of the state of Israel attacked the United States on 9/11/2001 just like they attacked the United States in 1967 and killed over 30 people on the USS Liberty.
can't agree more
great summary, JPass!
That's a good sign, Adam...
It means your thinker is working :)
Seriously, you should CONTINUE to entertain that hypothesis. Enter the data points you come across in the pro and con columns of your mind. (For instance, as jpass notes, the wtcd crowd can ONLY read at blogger and truefaction whereas those folks can read AND post here -- they simply choose to lurk. They can post anonymously and their posts will probably be published -- except when they are flat-out threats of violence and/or snitch-jacketing in the narrow sense.)
I've known gretavo for four years now, online and via phone calls, and I *still* entertain the possibility that he is some kind of op. And I know he feels the same way about me :)
for the umpteenth time... :)
ANYONE, INCLUDING ME, COULD BE AN AGENT for all most people know. Those who know me well probably don't think so (as well they shouldn't) but it would be a lot to ask a perfect stranger or "online-only" acquaintance to trust me fully. Why should they? Even if they agree with everything I have ever said and say right now, tomorrow I could replace WTCD with a David Icke style lizard-people did 9/11 site. The best any of us can do is gauge people's credibility based on their public statements and behavior. Using that yardstick, I find Kevin Barrett to be problematic, and think it's entirely possible that he is a paid disinfo agent. I might lean one way or the other if it weren't for the fact that he seems too perfect a foil for the more obviously fake truthers like Cosmos/YT, Jon Gold, Victronix, et al. That's why my default position is that Kevin Barrett is at least a little suspect.
As to your question of how I can trust anyone who posts on my site, the answer is I can't necessarily, and that's not really a big deal. I trust most longtime users to post responsibly (i.e. no advocating violence, bigotry, etc.) and if that trust is violated I simply block the user's account here. Since all the accounts are pseudonymous, there is nothing preventing anyone I block from re-registering and being free to post responsibly again, until they don't and get blocked.
you say: "And then I could say to myself, "hmm... am I being lured into the land of intra-movement gossip instead of spending my time organizing conferences or hitting the streets?" :)"
And I would applaud you for saying that! I've asked myself the same question before--should I ask people (including myself) to refrain from intra-movement gossip and encourage them to go out and do some real life street truthing? And there's no good answer. If we ignore the fake truthers we let them get away with what they're trying to do and newcomers to the movement will have one less resource to understand what the real truth mnovement is about. But if we fall into the trap of sacrificing real activism for endless arguments about who is fake and who isn't, or for that matter about what exactly did not hit the Pentagon, then we are not being effective activists. And I wouldn't blame people for suspecting that such a state of inefficiency might be by design, because it is without question something that a dedicated cadre of cover-up volunteers would be doing. What they would *not* be doing, and why I think the situation is salvageable from our point of view, is having this discussion in public and giving absolutely anyone in the world with an internet connection a chance to read and respond. And as JPass pointed out, it is the fake truth sites that are censored and have their memberships periodically culled of alleged "thoughtcriminals", not this one.
...
"..nothing preventing anyone I block from re-registering and being free to post responsibly again, until they don't and get blocked."
i don't seem to be able to register at all.
problems registering for WTCD?
When you sign up for a registered user account on WTCD, you get an email that asks you to confirm your request by emailing me. When doing so, be sure to mention what screen name you are trying to register under. If you do this, you'll be approved.
ok
i didn't get an email (or google junked it or something), and by the time i emailed rt myself i'd forgotten the username i requested.
i shall attempt the process again, from a different email address. i'll also remember the username i request, and email rt again in a few days if i don't hear anything.
you can do it Nicky!!
:)
life
is hard, but i try my best.
jameson reporting in. i was 'influence device' on blogger.
glad to be up in this hyper-boutique!
welcome!
Gretavo said to tell you to feel free to change your avatar--he just doesn't like people once registered to sport the annoymouse avatar...
____
â™
Real Truther
"Truth will have no gods before it.- The belief in truth begins with the doubt of all truths in which one has previously believed."
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900)
Well we KNOW what didn't hit the Pentagon...
...American Airlines Flight Seventy-Seven!!!
precisely
and by extension, Barbara Olson did not hit the Pentagon either.
and we KNOW what probably did hit the Pentagon...
http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/aaaa_disguised_851.jpg
"The future is not inherited, it is achieved." JFK
also see here...
http://www.wtcdemolition.com/blog/node/2884
What is the Best Way to Deal With "Cognitive Infiltration"?
Submitted by gretavo on Thu, 2010-07-15 23:18.
Totally agree
with this:
...if YOU are accused of being an agent, infiltrator, etc., DON'T take
it personally, and don't freak out on everyone. Let's face it, no one,
especially a real infiltrator, likes to be called an agent. if you are
NOT in fact an agent, the accusation has little chance of causing you
any real harm, whereas if you ARE an agent and are called out, you might
well have cause to worry. what this suggests to me is that if real
activists let accusations slide off their back, then the real
infiltrators will have to do the same or else risk appearing obvious.
I've been accused of being an agent ever since I brought a video camera
to my weekly antiwar demonstrations in 2003--recently some in the truth
movement dredged up those very old and hilariously outlandish smears to
try to discredit me. the smears are so transparently false that I have
no problem with the accusations being made, because they say a lot more
about those who post them (truthaction) than they ever could about me.
I know I'm not an agent, and as such, I never get upset when the faction accuses me of being one. (Adam Syop)
Adam Syop!
Great name, Adam!!
This agent thing is crazy. I think in my short stay at blogger, even I was under suspicion - " do I smell a rat? ", which actually made me giggle as well as question their senses. The longer I am in the Truth Movement, the more I am becoming aware of the distrust everywhere.
For me, no matter what ugliness and betrayal I encounter, I refuse to allow others to rob me of my inner trust. So that is what guides me and it's quite reliable.
I like Kevin Barrett and find him to be intelligent and interesting. My criterion for somebody to remain credible and relevant for me is NOT somebody who is always consistent and predictable. That is what the politicians are aiming for everyday!!
I find someone appealing who is not obliged to remain true to all that he said yesterday. Today new things have happened, so life and truth are always in a flux.
Lillyann
As indeed, Chris Sarns just did today!
http://911blogger.com/news/2010-09-16/city-commission-captive-audience-6...
"Voting system
this system is used as a social control mechanism....censorship light."
The claim that the voting system is a popularity contest has been
dispelled on the Carol Buouillte thread. Jon Gold's comment got 15 votes
including mine. It was the highest rated post because it was correct.
Adam Syed and the CITbots spammed this forum ad nausium until were
finally banned. He then went on Kevin Barret's radio show, trashed
Blogger, made the "censorship" accusation, touted the DRG and Richard
Gage "glowing endorsements" of CIT/NSA and then questioned the
Holocaust. If you cannot see that this is professional psy-ops then you
are willfully blind to it.
The refusal by the leadership to recognize infiltrator/disruptors
[and people who may as well be] has allowed them to divide the TM.
Failing to reject and disassociate from them as was done with Fetzer and
Woods gives out detractors justifiable reasons to label us all as "nut
jobs" and "Holocaust deniers".
As someone so astutely noted: "A big tent is where you go to see a circus."
You're hilarious, Sarns.
For the record, I met this guy at the Gage's booth at the AIA convention in DC in the summer of '09. Sarns is a bitter angry old man. He was unable to keep a cool head for more than an hour. I got the distinct impression that the underlying reason for this bitterness is that he didn't get laid enough when he was young. ;)
"Sarns
is a bitter angry old man."
no shit.
as if anyone thought 'Buouillte' (Brouillet) was part of the TA crew (in spite of Bursill's attempt to link her to Cosmos).
I don't see how anyone can
I don't see how anyone can criticize the voting system on 911blogger ! The fact is that about 2:1 people sided with me on "has the movement been damaged by an over emphasis on CD":
http://911blogger.com/news/2009-11-05/has-truth-movement-been-damaged-ov...
(about 30 votes to 15 for 'no' last time I saw it)
The fact that all the votes have now been erased and set to 0:0 for the historical record is surely an unrelated anomaly?
The fact that Lihoppers get a positive votes is unlikely to be anything to do with the fact that at least 20 people who contradicted them ended up being banned, censored or so infuriated with their arrogance and distractions that they just left, concluding that 911blogger is a controlled site with its own agenda acting contrary to the majority focus of the movement!
After all if the site were to reflect the interests of the movement it would actually poll people to see what they thought right? Instead of posting thousands of links to one dubious person's prioritization of THE FACTS which is 'in fact' just a load of weak Lihop Crap!
Add to that
the fact that many times voting comes in suspicious clusters and one of the people involved has a documented history of sockpuppet farming on an almost industrial scale. Naahh... prolly not significant.
votes
its strange votes cast before the recent upgrade were reset to 0:0, given that 'blogger' thinks the voting system is so vital.
maybe just a mistake by positronic design, or maybe the faction had less control of the votes in the past, and someone wanted to start afresh.
also, it's hard to believe the real ratio of those who don't think cd has damaged the movement is only 2:1!
Allende,
I don't see how anyone can criticize the voting system on 911blogger !
Indeed, when you conducted that poll about controlled demolition, it was one of the times when truth and majority concensus just so happened to align.
However, as we know from history, truth and majority consensus do not always coincide. (Galileo, anyone?)
How DARE a "truth site" have a system which seems to imply that truth = majority vote!
And if a comment receives 10 up votes and 10 down votes, it simply says "0 votes," as if no one had voted at all. This is beyond ridiculous.
I made these points about 8 or so months ago when LeftWright started a thread welcoming user feedback on how to make the site better, and ironically, my comments got highly voted up. Many people agreed with me: "Show total ups and total downs." We also mostly agreed that to hide a comment at -3 or below is just stupid.
Pretty deafening response from everyone except LeftWright. Guess 911blogger's solution was to appease us? They changed the "below viewing threshold" from -3 to -5!!! ZOMG
Wow, Justin Keogh, that was a stroke of brilliance! You became my fave truther overnight for that!
I was being sarcastic ! With
I was being sarcastic !
With Galileo (at the time) there was no consensus- the church decided the truth unilaterally - a bit like 911 blogger's highly profiled "Facts".
the dishonesty...
...of my critics is no guarantee of my own honesty.
would anyone disagree?
mostly agree
I disagree that Kevin Barrett and Carol Brouillet are fake truthers. I don't agree with everything Barrett has said and would prefer that he not share the stage with Fetzer anymore, but Barrett's mistakes and faults are not on the same level, not even in the same league as the vile (predominantly) LIHOP frauds and abusers at TrueFaction and their mission to cover up the full truth about 911 and fling shit at so many honest hard working researchers/activists.
There's also something to be said for Kevin Barret's anti-gatekeeping style, in which he is willing to bring on many different voices to his radio shows, even people who he disagrees with and people who are "controversial", so that his audience can get exposed to a wide spectrum of viewpoints and decide for themselves what the best arguments are based on open discussion rather than censorship and gatekeeping, which is the norm at the controlled blog sites (TrueFaction/911Blogger) and controlled radio programs (Visibility911). I much prefer Barret's open discussion, wide spectrum format, which allows me to use my own intelligence to decide for myself what viewpoints have merit and which ones don't, and when Barrett has a guest on who I don't think is worth listening to, I am free to skip that show.
As far as Carol Brouillet, I admire her attempt to stay above the fray and avoid the infighting as much as she can, so that she can focus on organizing events and raising mass awareness. It's a different strategy than WTCD's style of immediately calling out BS wherever we smell it and exposing the ostensible diversity masking actual uniformity among the fake wing of the truth movement, which keeps WTCD at the level of a boutique, specialized niche in the movement, and limits our size. You might disagree with Brouillet's style, but there's definitely some constructive purposes for keeping one's powder dry, and I think she has made good constructive use of it so far.
Other than Fetzer who as far as I know hasn't been participating in this shit storm, I don't know of anyone mentioned above or in this current fight who are pushing spacebeams, no planes, pods, jew-bashing, or actual holocaust denial.
i agree
i agree
Speaking of fake truthers,
Speaking of fake truthers, does anyone here know what ever happened to WingTV and Victor Thorn? Are they still around? I just read his book "9/11 Evil" the other day and I must say, without the racist overtones it would have made for a pretty valuable resource. It just reminded me how sorely needed a 9/11 truth DVD/book that isn't afraid of the Israel/zionist angle of 9/11 is. Highlighting the evidence that implicates Israelis/zionists in 9/11 makes it so much easier to "sell" 9/11 truth imho. It fills in so many blanks, from security(ICTS) to remote flight to tenants in the WTC etc.
Take Bollyn-he does a lot of good work that ties a lot of loose ends together that others leave untied but he sprinkles it with overtly racist BS. All of the "leading 9/11 truth advocates" fail to take on this angle and its left to obvious racists/agents/morons like Hufschmid, Bollyn,Prothink and Thorn. I wish I had the money, intellect and stature to fill that void but I don't. Come on people! Its time for a real 9/11 truth documentary. Ive been waiting for almost a decade.
i hear you
I read Thorn's 9/11 Evil a while back and had the same reaction--lots of good info, lots of thinly veiled bigotry. Mos def an example of perfidious harm by deliberate support with faulty arguments...
His book on the WTC, 9-11 On Trial, is linked to by the new Actors and Artists site, which really has to be the biggest friggin tent of them all given the range of anti-pro truth books...
"My guess is that cosmos'
"My guess is that cosmos' "real name" (the name on his passport, social security card, etc.) is something that he feels uncomfortable with because it sounds "Jewish" to him."
What points you in this direction? He could be hiding his real name for any number reasons.
Cosmo and his crew pitch themselves as the 'leaders and veterans of the movement' so he's going to have to reveal his name in order to achieve real credibility. Unlike Arabesque, Cosmo puts his face out there so his case is a little more interesting. He's using a fake name out in public and on the Alex Jones show not just on a blog.
BTW, does anyone know who the George Washington blog operator is?
Another possibility for Cosmos' anonymity is that
he wouldn't have been able to get away with fraudulently claiming to be a 9/11 victim family member, because people would have been able to discover the fraud very quickly if Cosmos had used his real name. Of course, now that he admits that he is not really a family member, he has even more reason to continue to hide his true identity.
I mean, if you had been exposed and outed as a pathetic fraud such as this 'Cosmos' turd has been, wouldn't you rather not be able to be held accountable for your fraud (as well as for whatever other shameful activities he might be involved with), which would be much harder to avoid if people knew your real name?
Cosmos and his crew are what they are
and I think you are correct in that if his real name was known, then it would be easier to trace his history and figure out that his whole "uncle" story was bullshit from the very beginning.
I was surprised to read that Carol had given him money for his "efforts". I would have thought she would be smarter than that.
All that said, I don't hold it against anyone who runs blogs and remains a member of the Truth movement, and wants to keep their real name secret. I don't, personally, I sign what I write on my website, but its costly. I've had more than one interviewer ask me about my website before and god knows how many never bothered to. Especially in the Red State I live in and the city that is dominated by the MIC (Tampa)
I have regretted using my real name on many occasions but I will not remove what I wrote or stop signing my work (at this point it doesn't make much of a difference anyway with my stuff up on sites from the Republic of Korea to the UK...)
However, I think when you start taking money for this stuff, to supposedly be an "activist' Truth member, when it becomes your career... I'm not talking about a little donation to keep your server up, I'm talking about money that pays your bills and gets you drunk at the bar, I think you have to use your real name.
Jon Gold, Victoria Ashley, Jim Hoffman... these are all part of the same disinfo team as Cosmos, but at least they have the common decency to use their real names.
One of my readers at my site used to send $10 a month or so to help with expenses. I never asked him to do it, he just did it, and believe me, in the poverty I live in, it was helpful.
But then one day he sent the ten bucks and a day later or so he was talking about the hard times his son and daughter in law were going through, so, I sent it back.
He still comes by the site so I don't think I pissed him off or insulted him. I hope I didn't anyway.
I'm just rambling now, so I guess I will stop. My point is, its painful to use your real name and for most people I understand their reluctance to do so and their decision not to. But Cosmos is different because this is his career and his "peers" seem to know what I am talking about. Since Cosmos still hides his real name, like Keenan, I have to assume there is a good reason for it.
"The future is not inherited, it is achieved." JFK
Leftwright weighs in at 911blogger
I think it unfortunate that this thread was hijacked
John - [addressing John Bursill whose made the first comment, confronting Carol Brouillet]
I understand the importance of issues you raise, but really think it would have been better to raise them in a separate blog post as this blog really has nothing to do with KB, etc.
By bringing up the issues regarding KB in the very first comment, you have completely skewed the comment thread in that direction, which is most unfortunate, imo.
FTR - I have known cosmos for years, have traveled with him and have no doubt about his character or intentions. The movement could use more people like him (and yes, I know his "real name" too). It has always been clear to me that cosmos' "uncle" was a close family friend and cosmos is not the only person I know who has family friends who are referred to as uncle, aunt, grandpa or even mother, so this is a rather ridiculous and artificial argument, imo. [c455 says: The fact is, the vast majority of people in the truth movement do NOT know his name. Hearing from additional people who do know his name doesn't address that, not to mention the fact that "cosmos" is really not the most dignified nom d'obfuscation I can imagine, especially for someone who has manufactured a prominent role in the public eye for himself. And I welcome reactions from others here, but I don't know anyone who uses aunt/uncle to refer to someone who is not a family member by "blood" or marriage. I can imagine doing it as a term of affectionate address ("Auntie May, could you pass the gravy?") but even so I find the idea that you would refer to this person as such to a third party, especially a distant or public third party, seems bizarre to me from my own cultural point of view. ("My auntie May died at the Pentagon. She was an accountant.") Finally, this is an issue as a direct result of the tawdry manipulation of the whole "family member" concept and the privileging of the so-called "family members" as moral compasses and guiding lights for the movement."]
I spoke with Kevin Barrett in person on his last trip through the SF bay area and asked him to take the high road, which sadly, he has not done. I really think this says much more about Mr. Barrett than it does about anyone else or the movement, in general.
The 9/11 truth movement is based on critical thinking, transparency and accountability. Thus, we are charged with evaluating actions and statements, putting them in context, and acting or speaking in response, as required.
While it is true that no one person or thing can make or break the growing international 9/11 truth movement, as members of a social movement we are charged with maintaining certain standards of behavior that do not bring discredit to the movement or impede its progress.
It becomes more clear to me every day that there are certain individuals who go out of their way to energize divisive issues and create factions within the movement, thus either consciously or unwittingly aiding those who would like to see the global 9/11 truth movement divide and then defeat itself. All of us need to question anything which seems to create divisions within the movement in a thorough, but civil manner. As one of the stickers on the back of my van says " Ask Questions, Demand Answers". This applies to all of us as well as the events of 9/11/01. Let us always work to refine our critical thinking skills as we also try to be as compassionate and empathetic, as possible. As human beings, we need to always remember that we are inherently irrational creatures who may always be seeking some form of spiritual perfection, and always falling short in some way or another.
In any case, as Gandhi said, let us always strive "to be the change we want to see in the world".
We are all brothers and sisters in this all-too-often dysfunctional family we call humankind.
BTW - The name on my birth certificate/CDL/ passport says John William Wright and I live in San Anselmo, CA.
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
Submitted by LeftWright on Sat, 09/18/2010 - 11:56am.
On facebook this week,
I aggressively challenged "Le Cosmos" to prove that he had a relationship of ANY kind, friend or family, to Mickey Rothenberg. This was on Cindy Sheehan's wall, where Cosmos posted his response to KB's 'attacks' after Cindy made a posting that someone accused her of being Cointelpro.
After all, if MR was such a close friend that he was a virtual uncle, then at least one photo should exist of the two together. The fact that he has never addressed the Andrew Bernstein charge nor attempted to provide proof of his relationship with a simple photo, but instead answered my posts with JREF-like insults, leads me to speculate (and of course it is speculation) that my hunch is correct.
(Also, as Cosmos was the one who posted the link to Cindy's wall, he has the power to delete posts on the thread as well as Cindy. Cindy said she wasn't doing any deleting when Dom asked her. It's currently at 58 comments though it was originally at over 120, so you're admittedly seeing a skewed version of this. He stopped deleting comments when we made it clear to him that we knew it wasn't Cindy doing the censoring. Currently, I have the last word.)
(Oh, and Gold was also a participant, but he has me blocked, meaning I can't see him and he can't see me.)
Le Cosmos
Speaking of douches accusing people of being COINTELPRO...
the past several years, Kevin Barrett has provided us with an endless
series of offensive and discrediting actions: Jew baiting, Holocaust
denial, advocating violence, promotion of some of the worst debunked
9/11 theories, calls for journalists to be hanged, suggesting zionists
be put in concen...
Have some fucking respect.
no John! Cosmos is 100% a wrecker. On the "CIT to tour Europe" thread
at 911Blogger, he kicked off the comments section with "Bad News for
Europe and 9/11 Truth" and linked to two articles accusing Craig and
Aldo of CONNING the movem...ent
with "disinformation." And, when one of the last remaining unbanned
CIT supporters called him out on it and questioned his intentions, you
came to Cosmos' defense with an appeal-to-emotions comment:
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/8079/bursillcosmos.jpg
And
notice how Cosmos, contrary to what he claims in his response to
Kevin's and my articles, does NOT step in to clarify that "Uncle" Mickey
was actually a good family friend but not an actual uncle. It is a no
brainer that for the longest time (I can give TONS more examples) Cosmos
was most certainly allowing people to believe that Mickey was a blood
relative.
I will apologize to Cosmos the day he apologizes to
Craig Ranke and Aldo Marquis for the countless times he's spoken ill of
their findings, and the day he apologizes to all those he banned from
Truthaction (Stefan, for example, is the most civil and polite person on
earth, practically, and Cosmos quietly banned him and locked a thread
in which he was logically deconstructing the anti CIT talking points).
Which, I'm guessing, will be the day that hell freezes over.
See MoreHey brother Cosmos, Adam seems like he still wants more embarrassment
and shame to find him? Stay down Adam you'll get the right hook next:)
At least you can make a joke, well done:) I heard your part of the two
man CIT team...three is a crowd it seems...oh well I'm sure your muma
loves ya!
1) were israeli's arrested on 9/11?
2) were muslims arrested on 9/11?
...
3) were dozens of israeli's "rounded up" in the days after 9/11 for their involvement in the attacks?
4) were dozens of muslims "rounded up" in the days after 9/11 for their involvement in the attacks?
5) was the saudi government involved?
6) was the pakistani isi involved?
7) were the israeli mossad involved?
1- yes
2- no
3- yes
4- no
5- yes
6- yes
7- yes
lets see if you answer them honestly jon.
:-DSee More
BTW, you might want to check the dictionary and find out what the word
"anonymous" means, assclown. You seem to be as clueless about the
meaning of the words you use as you are about 9/11.
1) were israeli's arrested on 9/11?
2) were muslims arrested on 9/11?
......
3) were dozens of israeli's "rounded up" in the days after 9/11 for their involvement in the attacks?
4) were dozens of muslims "rounded up" in the days after 9/11 for their involvement in the attacks?
5) was the saudi government involved?
6) was the pakistani isi involved?
7) were the israeli mossad involved?See More
1.
You believe no plane hit the Pentagon, and in fact - a jetplane flew
over and a fireball exploded even though first-responders found dead
bodies of children in air-plane seats.
2. You and your ...CIT accuse eyewitnesses of complicity in mass-murder with no evidence whatsoever.
3.
You have this focus on "zionism" and "Israeli involvement" to the point
where you're pushing speculation as fact. Maybe Israel were involved,
and I'm sure they were among the benefactors after 9/11...but they've
hardly earned the title of suspect anywhere near as much as others I
could mention.
4. You're friends with jewbaiters.
Thanks for shitting on our credibility. Thanks very much.See More
Domenick, you are an idiot and an asshole. I've had this name for over
20 years. I'm held accountable for my words and actions as much as
anyone else. And I'm quite proud of my record. If my name is good enough
for my mom, it's good enough for a sleazy piece of shit like yourself.
You're just jealous because I have an awesome name and you don't. I've
done effective work for 9/11 truth going on 9 years now and all you have
is a cheesy conspiracy theory ready-made for the trash heap. Get a
life, kid.
1)
You have no proof anyone found bodies of dead children in airplane
seats. you're a liar. the same people who tell you they saw that will
tell you the government had absolutely nothing to d...o with the attacks. great sources you got there.
2)
eyewitnesses is pluralized. please provide a list of all these
"witnesses" and links to back up your accusations or again admit you're
lying.
3) hoz - i focus on all aspects of it and don't leave the zionists out like the people you associate with do.
4) if i'm friends with 'jewbaiters' then you're friends with zionist apologists.
its
my pleasure to shit all over your credibility. i don't recall ever
having heard of you before and you're pushing the bullshit that a plane
hit the pentagon.
i suppose you believe a 757 crashed in that field in shanksville too, huh hoz?See More
Have fun in your online sandbox Syed et al.
As
for "zionists" - get a grip dude. I know about zionism. I was a board
member for the Palestinian Society at university for over three years
and we even fo...ught
a court battle with the university over issues of censorship. I don't
need anybody from the internet with no authoritative academic background
to tell me I'm not aware of zionism and it's actual relevance.
And
I did not leave Israel out. I say that people who focus on the "Israel
did it" claim and push speculative claims as fact like Barrett or people
like Hamid Gul or certain members of the Saudi royals do - obviously
have an agenda.See More
hoz i am calling them liars. just like i call fbi in shanksville liars.
just like i call nypd and fdny who cover up these attacks liars.
are you saying we should believe all first responders hoz?
do you not believe the government would h...ave ops who would talk to their mockingbirds in the media?
do you not believe they would have ops for "authors" to consult hoz?
are you really this naive???
WILL
YOU ANSWER MY SIMPLE YES OR NO QUESTIONS NOW THAT I ANSWER ALL OF YOUR
QUESTIONS OR WILL YOU CONTINUE TO BE SPINELESS LIKE GOLD, BURSILL, AND
"COSMOS"?See More
Do you cite first-responders for claims over explosions on 9/11? Don't tell me you never have done before online.
You seem to be selective with whom you think is lying or telling ...the truth.See More
Barrie Zwicker? You mean the snitchjacketing assclown who claims that
all of CIT's critics are government agents? Yeah, I totally trust him
too.
I just don't understand why you can keep making these claims, Domenick,
and not expect people to react to you and see through your madness?
IS USING THE CLASSIC DISINFO TACTIC OF ACCUSING OTHERS OF WHAT HE IS
GUILTY OF. HE, JUST LIKE THE OTHER SHILLS IN THIS ONGOING SAGA, ALSO
FAILS TO ANSWER DIRECT QUESTIONS AND INSTEAD REPLIES WITH INSULTS OR
OTHER QUESTIONS WHICH I HAVE ...ANSWERED.
HOZ CLAIMED THERE WERE DEAD CHILDREN IN AIRPLANE SEATS.
WHERE'S THE EVIDENCE?
HOZ
CLAIMED CIT SAYS EYEWITNESSES WERE INVOLVED IN MASS MURDER AND DOESN'T
EVEN NAME 2 PEOPLE CIT HAS MADE THIS ACCUSATION AGAINST.
WHERE'S THE EVIDENCE?
HOZ
CLAIMS I'M FRIENDS WITH "JEWBAITERS". WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE THAT I AM
FRIENDS WITH AND WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE THEY ARE "JEWBAITERS"?
NO
ONE IS TAKING YOU SERIOUSLY HOZ, NEITHER YOU OR YOUR ANONYMOUS BUDDY "LE
COSMOS" NOR THE ATTENTION SEEKERS GOLD OR BURSILL WHO SPEND THEIR TIME
ATTACKING 9/11 TRUTHERS LIKE THEY'RE RANDI'S KIDS.........
YOU GUYS ARE A FUCKING JOKE AND A DISGRACE TO THE REVOLUTION.
See Morethanks for another insightful and informative comment. you're a super genius.
You see, you can't stop me. You can whine and cry and lie, but you
can't stop me. All you will do is draw more attention to the awesome
work I do. I welcome that and thank you.
did a plane crash in shanksville "Le Shill"?
TYPE
SLOWER
...
FOR
YOU
"LE SHILL"
DID
A
757
DISAPPEAR
IN
THAT
10'
DEEP
HOLE
IN
SHANKSVILLE
YES
OR
NO?See More
It feels great, guys! I appreciate all the attention you are bringing,
not only to 9/11 Truth News, but to the sickening behavior of both
Barrett and the CIT Cult. Keep it up!
you sure showed me everytime you make my words disappear. so much power for such a little man.
why do you FEAR me?
He actually used "assclown" in the chat?
well... that says it all, doesn't it?
"The future is not inherited, it is achieved." JFK
And his "work is awesome".
And his "work is awesome". Tongue in cheek or not "Cosmos" is a fucking pathetic joke of a human being.
no, his *name* is awesome too...
and his work is awesome and effective. his name is is pretty awesome though, if it weren't on such an unsavory fellow...
Le Cosmos
Domenick, you are an idiot and an asshole. I've had this name for over
20 years. I'm held accountable for my words and actions as much as
anyone else. And I'm quite proud of my record. If my name is good enough
for my mom, it's good enough for a sleazy piece of shit like yourself.
You're just jealous because I have an awesome name and you don't. I've
done effective work for 9/11 truth going on 9 years now and all you have
is a cheesy conspiracy theory ready-made for the trash heap. Get a
life, kid.
what if Cosmos *is* "Uncle" Mickey so that being "officially deceased" he really *can* get away with using a mononym? the following is courtesy of the good people at Merriam Webster (m-w.com)
cos·mos
noun
\?käz-m?s, 1 & 2 also -?m?s, -?mäs\
Definition of COSMOS
Examples of COSMOS
Illustration of COSMOS
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can you espound on this? ;)
C455 said: "I think this is internalized antisemitism and it saddens me."
Here's a more complete version
including Gold's comments in addition to comments which were deleted by Cosmos (sorry for contributing to making the scroll bar on the right so tiny! gret, if you feel inclined, you can simply transfer this post over to the first post where i pasta'd the thread)
Hey Cosmos, a photo of you and "uncle" Mickey would put this to rest...
Have some fucking respect.
And my "essay" is irrelevant here.
no John! Cosmos is 100% a wrecker. On the "CIT to tour Europe" thread
at 911Blogger, he kicked off the comments section with "Bad News for
Europe and 9/11 Truth" and linked to two articles accusing Craig and
Aldo of CONNING the movem...ent
with "disinformation." And, when one of the last remaining unbanned
CIT supporters called him out on it and questioned his intentions, you
came to Cosmos' defense with an appeal-to-emotions comment:
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/8079/bursillcosmos.jpg
And
notice how Cosmos, contrary to what he claims in his response to
Kevin's and my articles, does NOT step in to clarify that "Uncle" Mickey
was actually a good family friend but not an actual uncle. It is a no
brainer that for the longest time (I can give TONS more examples) Cosmos
was most certainly allowing people to believe that Mickey was a blood
relative.
I will apologize to Cosmos the day he apologizes to
Craig Ranke and Aldo Marquis for the countless times he's spoken ill of
their findings, and the day he apologizes to all those he banned from
Truthaction (Stefan, for example, is the most civil and polite person on
earth, practically, and Cosmos quietly banned him and locked a thread
in which he was logically deconstructing the anti CIT talking points).
Which, I'm guessing, will be the day that hell freezes over.
See MoreHey brother Cosmos, Adam seems like he still wants more embarrassment
and shame to find him? Stay down Adam you'll get the right hook next:)
Please John... what reputation? Here is what Adam Syed is known for...
promoting David Griffin religiously without questioning anything he
says, promoting CIT, using "sockpuppets" to write reviews of Holocaust
Denial books, and to promote himself as some kind of "hero." Oh, he's
also known for attacking people who lost someone on 9/11. An "apology"
would do nothing for him.
ago · ·
At least you can make a joke, well done:) I heard your part of the two
man CIT team...three is a crowd it seems...oh well I'm sure your muma
loves ya!
if you don't know my involvement with cit then you're a poorer
researcher than i thought. i don't agree with everything kevin barrett
says or does so go pound some salt. i think the evidence showing a plane
never crashed into the penta...gon
or into that empty field in shanksville is just as powerful as the
detonation of the 3 towers and the 60+ israeli's arrested and the
pakistani wire transfer and so on and so forth.
jon, aren't you a supporter of the rothschilds zionist states "right to exist" ?
See Moreindeed
1) were israeli's arrested on 9/11?
2) were muslims arrested on 9/11?
...
3) were dozens of israeli's "rounded up" in the days after 9/11 for their involvement in the attacks?
4) were dozens of muslims "rounded up" in the days after 9/11 for their involvement in the attacks?
5) was the saudi government involved?
6) was the pakistani isi involved?
7) were the israeli mossad involved?
1- yes
2- no
3- yes
4- no
5- yes
6- yes
7- yes
lets see if you answer them honestly jon.
:-DSee More
p.s. you should watch that, i made it over 3 years ago......go ahead and "debunk" it - i dare ya!
Domenick?
http://911truthnews.com/the-facts-speak-for-themselves/
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/index.html
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481#
...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4399917864007973679#
http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20080326132655798
http://911truth.org/downloads/Family_Steering_Cmte_review_of_Report.pdf
http://www.911independentcommission.org/questions.html
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20090720125107330
http://visibility911.com/jongold/?p=157
Ignorance is bliss eh Domenick?See More
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showpost.php?p=97772&postcount=1
Ignorant.
still waiting for jon to answer some simple yes or no
questions. care to take a shot at them 'cosmos'???
BTW, you might want to check the dictionary and find out what the word
"anonymous" means, assclown. You seem to be as clueless about the
meaning of the words you use as you are about 9/11.
thats what speaks for itself.
the eyewitnesses i've interviewed in shanksville, the eyewitnesses craig and aldo have interviewed in arlington speak... for themselves.
your actions here avoiding questions and moving goalposts speak for themselves.See More
you don't use your real name/face anywhere on the internet to anything
you write and you attack truthers and try to portray yourself as some
sort of authority. you are not held accountable for your words which is
why you call people... assclowns and so forth.
you're a joke.
See Morei included you based on your siding with these shills and for your attack on adam.
Domenick... quick question... did you found an action that was adopted
across the globe for 9/11 Justice, and has been for years?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EN3ixaMPF0
1) were israeli's arrested on 9/11?
2) were muslims arrested on 9/11?
......
3) were dozens of israeli's "rounded up" in the days after 9/11 for their involvement in the attacks?
4) were dozens of muslims "rounded up" in the days after 9/11 for their involvement in the attacks?
5) was the saudi government
involved?
6) was the pakistani isi involved?
7) were the israeli mossad involved?See More
1.
You believe no plane hit the Pentagon, and in fact - a jetplane flew
over and a fireball exploded even though first-responders found dead
bodies of children in air-plane seats.
2. You and your ...CIT accuse eyewitnesses of complicity in mass-murder with no evidence whatsoever.
3.
You have this focus on "zionism" and "Israeli involvement" to the point
where you're pushing speculation as fact. Maybe Israel were involved,
and I'm sure they were among the benefactors after 9/11...but they've
hardly earned the title of suspect anywhere near as much as others I
could mention.
4. You're friends with jewbaiters.
Thanks for shitting on our credibility. Thanks very much.See More
jon, i didn't. but i did interview dozens of shanksville witnesses who
prove the official story is a lie and gave the world a 40+ minute
interview with wally miller.
i say these eyewitness accounts are more important to discovering 9/11 t...ruth
than you and 3 people here and there standing on a corner with a
bullhorn or something. thats if u want to make this a pissing contest.
i
notice you still can't answer the simple questions i asked and keep
asking me things instead. i do believe this is a well documented
cointelpro tactic.
i continue to answer and address you despite
your failure to do the same. anyone paying attention right now sees your
credibility disappearing quicker than you can attack a member of CIT.See More
No, but people who may have been Muslim may have hijacked some commercial airliners.
They were "rounded up," but whether or not they were "rounded up" "for their involvement in the attacks" remains to be seen.
...
#4
is simply hysterical, and shows your ignorance. How many people who
happened to look like the alleged hijackers were detained after 9/11?
Fucking idiot.
The Saudi Royals may have been involved.
The Pakistani ISI may have been involved.
The Mossad may have been involved.
Unfortunately, Domenick, because there has never been a REAL investigation, we don't exactly know.
Go back to your little cult.See More
Domenick, you are an idiot and an asshole. I've had this name for over
20 years. I'm held accountable for my words and actions as much as
anyone else. And I'm quite proud of my record. If my name is good enough
for my mom, it's good enough for a sleazy piece of shit like yourself.
You're just jealous because I have an awesome name and you don't. I've
done effective work for 9/11 truth going on 9 years now and all you have
is a cheesy conspiracy theory ready-made for the trash heap. Get a
life, kid.
Cosmos, Dwain Deets has followed in Zwicker's footsteps and not only
endorsed CIT's work and conclusion, but has, like Zwicker, harshly
rebuked your ilk for attempting to oppose these findings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYGkiYmVUmg
A...
NASA aeronautical engineer, this man is LITERALLY a "rocket scientist."
Frankly, you'll have to forgive me if I happen to trust his intellect
over yours. Dwain Deets > Cosmos. :)
Of course, it doesn't
take a rocket scientist to realize that a plane on the north side could
not have caused any of the physical damage.
Quite frankly,
Cosmos, when you make such comments as "CIT = Circus in Town" and "I bet
those 25 people in Europe want their money back," all you're doing is
confirming that you are a wrecker, especially in light of the fact that
CIT's findings are endorsed by not only Zwicker and Deets, but also
Peter Dale Scott, Ed Asner, Richard Gage, David Ray Griffin, and scores
more.
You are not smarter than any of these people Cosmos, and
frankly, you've got some bloodyl nerve opposing their findings. So many
of us wear these black shirts that say "Investigate 9/11." Well guess
what? CIT were not satisified with waiting til kingdom come to get an
"official" investigation. They went out and spent thousands of $$$ and
hours to do the investigating themselves. And the evidence they
uncovered (further) proves a staged military deception false flag. And
look at the thanks they get from pseudo-truthers like you. Now that
CIT's work has been endorsed by so many true intellectuals, your camp
and its pseudo-intellect at "debunking" them, has really shown its true
agenda.
This is why I consider you to be a pseudo-truther and
will continue to oppose your presence at every turn. And I think you
should never be allowed to speak at another 9/11 conference until you
provide documented proof of your relationship - as either a nephew or
family friend - of Mark Rothenberg.See More
1)
You have no proof anyone found bodies of dead children in airplane
seats. you're a liar. the same people who tell you they saw that will
tell you the government had absolutely nothing to d...o with the attacks. great sources you got there.
2)
eyewitnesses is pluralized. please provide a list of all these
"witnesses" and links to back up your accusations or again admit you're
lying.
3) hoz - i focus on all aspects of it and don't leave the zionists out like the people you associate with do.
4) if i'm friends with 'jewbaiters' then you're friends with zionist apologists.
its
my pleasure to shit all over your credibility. i don't recall ever
having heard of you before and you're pushing the bullshit that a plane
hit the pentagon.
i suppose you believe a 757 crashed in that field in shanksville too, huh hoz?See More
Have fun in your online sandbox Syed et al.
ago · ·
As
for "zionists" - get a grip dude. I know about zionism. I was a board
member for the Palestinian Society at university for over three years
and we even fo...ught
a court battle with the university over issues of censorship. I don't
need anybody from the internet with no authoritative academic background
to tell me I'm not aware of zionism and it's actual relevance.
And
I did not leave Israel out. I say that people who focus on the "Israel
did it" claim and push speculative claims as fact like Barrett or people
like Hamid Gul or certain members of the Saudi royals do - obviously
have an agenda.See More
Le Cosmos
Who the fuck is Dwain Deets? Isn't he the guy who built the drones that
are killing kids in Pakistan? Yeah, I totally trust him.
hoz i am calling them liars. just like i call fbi in shanksville liars.
just like i call nypd and fdny who cover up these attacks liars.
are you saying we should believe all first responders hoz?
do you not believe the government would h...ave ops who would talk to their mockingbirds in the media?
do you not believe they would have ops for "authors" to consult hoz?
are you really this naive???
WILL
YOU ANSWER MY SIMPLE YES OR NO QUESTIONS NOW THAT I ANSWER ALL OF YOUR
QUESTIONS OR WILL YOU CONTINUE TO BE SPINELESS LIKE GOLD, BURSILL, AND
"COSMOS"?See More
Do you cite first-responders for claims over explosions on 9/11? Don't tell me you never have done before online.
You seem to be selective with whom you think is lying or telling ...the truth.See More
disinformation?
who knows???? HE HIDES WHO HE IS!!!!
Barrie Zwicker? You mean the snitchjacketing assclown who claims that
all of CIT's critics are government agents? Yeah, I totally trust him
too.
right hoz, i am selective on who i believe is a liar or not. if they
push bush administration bullshit i don't believe them.
if they say things contradictory to bush administration bullshit i do believe them.
thats how i seperate shill...s from honest people.
how do you decide?
DID YOU FIND THAT LIST OF WITNESSES CIT ACCUSES YET OR WILL YOU CONCEDE TO LYING?????See More
Le Cosmos? You mean the anonymous internet coward who claims all of
CIT's supporters are disinfo agents? Yeah, I totally trust that him too.
:-/
Dwain Deets listed Charlie Giles as dead on his website. Barrie
Zwicker defended Kevin Barrett when Rolf Lindgren was attacking people
left and right. Thanks, but no thanks.
noting more, nothing less.
just like the ilk you associate with.
CARE TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS YET JON?????
HOW ABOUT - DID A PLANE CRASH IN THAT FIELD IN SHANKSVILLE????
...
HOW BOUT THAT ONE,
JON???????See More
1) were israeli's arrested on 9/11?
2) were muslims arrested on 9/11?
.........
3) were dozens of israeli's "rounded up" in the days after 9/11 for their involvement in the attacks?
4) were dozens of muslims "rounded up" in the days after 9/11 for their involvement in the attacks?
5) was the saudi government involved?
6) was the
pakistani isi involved?
7) were the israeli mossad involved?See More
way, you're still an anonymous internet nobody "Le Cosmos".
:-D
any of you shills want to take a crack at it?
3 hours ago · ·
Jon Gold I got this one...
you knew anything about me... we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Loooooooooooong ago, in a galaxy far, far away... in May 2006, I was on the front page of the Times Herald for a Sunday Edition.
http://www.yourbbsucks.com.../forum/showpost.php?p=60060&postcount=1
In
that article, I THEORIZED and said, "I believe it was shot down."
However, I don't KNOW what happened to Flight 93, and I have a sneaking
suspicion you don't either.
The following Sunday, I was also on
the front page of the Sunday Edition talking about the 2006 Zogby Poll
that was in our favor.
This is just one example of the many
things I have done for this cause. All I know about you is that you
support charlatans, and have an infatuation about religion, and
ideologies. Oh, and you like to pick on people who have done a
TREMENDOUS amount of good for this cause.
As I said, go back to your little cult.See More
you have the cult, not me. you brag about starting a worldwide movement, not me.
BTW,
where i can go on the 11th of any month and find proof of your
worldwide movement? is there someplace on the east coast i can do this
or do i have to... go to some street in australia to find 3 people standing around following your lead?
flight
93 wasn't shot down jon, but i don't expect you to know that you've
never actually talked to anyone who experienced anything on 9/11.
but you are right, i don't know what happened to it.....after it flew past the crash site and OVER INDIAN LAKE.
BUT I KNOW IT FLEW OVER INDIAN LAKE WHICH PROVES IT DIDN'T CRASH IN THAT FIELD.
DO SOME RESEARCH. 2006 WAS A LONG TIME AGO, A LOT HAS COME OUT SINCE THEN.
:-/See More
referring to Andrew Bernstein.
I just don't understand why you can keep making these claims, Domenick,
and not expect people to react to you and see through your madness?
IS USING THE CLASSIC DISINFO TACTIC OF ACCUSING OTHERS OF WHAT HE IS
GUILTY OF. HE, JUST LIKE THE OTHER SHILLS IN THIS ONGOING SAGA, ALSO
FAILS TO ANSWER DIRECT QUESTIONS AND INSTEAD REPLIES WITH INSULTS OR
OTHER QUESTIONS WHICH I HAVE ...ANSWERED.
HOZ CLAIMED THERE WERE DEAD CHILDREN IN AIRPLANE SEATS.
WHERE'S THE EVIDENCE?
HOZ
CLAIMED CIT SAYS EYEWITNESSES WERE INVOLVED IN MASS MURDER AND DOESN'T
EVEN NAME 2 PEOPLE CIT HAS MADE THIS ACCUSATION AGAINST.
WHERE'S THE EVIDENCE?
HOZ
CLAIMS I'M FRIENDS WITH "JEWBAITERS". WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE THAT I AM
FRIENDS WITH AND WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE THEY ARE "JEWBAITERS"?
NO
ONE IS TAKING YOU SERIOUSLY HOZ, NEITHER YOU OR YOUR ANONYMOUS BUDDY "LE
COSMOS" NOR THE ATTENTION SEEKERS GOLD OR BURSILL WHO SPEND THEIR TIME
ATTACKING 9/11 TRUTHERS LIKE THEY'RE RANDI'S KIDS.........
YOU GUYS ARE A FUCKING JOKE AND A DISGRACE TO THE REVOLUTION.
See MoreIf I recall idiot, you were the one that came on here and said that we
were all shills, and yet, we're the ones that "spend their time
attacking 9/11 truthers." You are a fucking idiot my friend. Go join
some other "revolution" because my revolution prefers intelligent
people.
:-/
i feel like i'm having a nightmare from 2005 and am posting on a jref thread.
Gold Hey Cosmos... you feel like gettin' something to eat at the IHOP? Suddenly, I'm hungry.
Hoz Turner LIHOP/MIHOP - acronyms for the brain dead.
you meant "Pancakes" in the "secret language that only lunatics know
about" sense. I meant "Pancakes" in the flour, sugar, egg, baking
powder, milk, and butter sense. You know... it's helpful to be able to
speak in terms people understand.
:-/
i bet if i go to any of the 911 forums on the net and typed pancakes every member there would know what i was talking about.
:-p
Domenick DiMaggio jon gold believe 9/11 truthers are lunatics. i knew i would get it out of you at some point you big pancake slurping LIHOP'er.
:-D
http://www.facebook.com/notes.php?id=684595285¬es_tab=app_2347471856#!/note.php?note_id=413658748991
The "media"
and "debunkers" like to portray peo...ple
who are demanding justice and accountability for the 9/11 attacks in a
certain light. Here is what a "9/11 Truther" is according to them.
8) Someone who uses weird secret words that only a "9/11 Truther" would know like LIHOP and MIHOP.See More
fact that Cosmos has not even tried to respond to the "Andrew
Bernstein" charge nor provide proof of a relationship with Mickey at all
(as either relative or friend), but rather, responds with posts that
spew vitriol at Zwicker and Deet...s which read, as Dom mentioned, like a 2005 JREF thread, is indeed very telling.
And
Turner, there is a world of difference between LIHOP and MIHOP as far
as historical truth is concerned. If Cheney, Rumsfeld et al merely sat
on their hands and deliberately allowed Muslim terrorists to attack us,
that means that (1) it was "in fact" an Islamic terror attack and (2)
that there was no controlled demolition, among other things.
Once
See Moreyou accept that controlled demolition brought down the towers, then the
next step is to realize that whoever was responsible for this has to be
as certain as possible (99.99999% as Barrett said when I was on his
show) that the planes are going to successfully strike the towers, as a
means of serving as cover for the demolitions. Nobody planning this
would rely on ANY human being controlling the cockpits. These were
obviously remote controlled planes a la Northwoods, and LIHOP keeps the
Islamic Terrorist (R)(C)(TM) myth alive.
thanks for another insightful and informative comment. you're a super genius.
You see, you can't stop me. You can whine and cry and lie, but you
can't stop me. All you will do is draw more attention to the awesome
work I do. I welcome that and thank you.
did a plane crash in shanksville "Le Shill"?
i'll answer it just like i answered all the other ones you shills ignored.
NO.
...
are you his "karl rove" or something jon or is "Le Shill" allowed to think for himself and answer for himself?See More
http://wtcdemolition.com/blog/node/1403#comment-16927
"I'm
the painfully hip owner of TrueFaction--the premier truther activist
site, which serves as the international hub of the Eleven...th
Day of the Eleventh Month campaign, which I invented, as well as the
new Leap for Truth Days, to take place every February 29th. I also
invented radical chic. I am one of the most--scratch that--the most
influential and effective truth activist. Ever."
That was the parody, here's the real thing:
"You
see, you can't stop me. You can whine and cry and lie, but you can't
stop me. All you will do is draw more attention to the awesome work I
do. I welcome that and thank you." "You're just jealous because I have
an awesome name and you don't."
Who NEEDS parody?See More
plane crash in shanksville - yes or no
I love how some guy (Gustavo Espada) sits at a desk at Harvard getting
paid to stalk me and Jon. If there's no need for a parody, why does he
spend SOOOOO much time on us?
TYPE
SLOWER
...
FOR
YOU
"LE SHILL"
DID
A
757
DISAPPEAR
IN
THAT
10'
DEEP
HOLE
IN
SHANKSVILLE
YES
OR
NO?See More
Domenick DiMaggio is there a question that isn't too hard for you to answer? yes or no [we'll try this one as a beginner step]
John Bursill
I've
got zero more time for this game it is very boring. Cosmos who's
passport name I know so does Janice and Luke is a real person who does
real work for this movement. He is d...eeply
troubled by others who think this is a game because he is deadly
serious about 9/11 Truth and prevailing over the forces of darkness in
the world to day!
No more of my energy is going to this, your rebuttal is not worthy of any further response.
what is Cosmos' "passport name", anyway?
Oooohhhh... THAT passport name!
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/23/britain-says-passports-were-...
____
â™
Real Truther
"Truth will have no gods before it.- The belief in truth begins with the doubt of all truths in which one has previously believed."
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900)
Hats off to UK Govt
To for once, not selling out their citizens by giving them a travel advisory for going to Israel
"U.K. passport holders should be aware of a recent Serious Organised Crime Agency investigation into the misuse of U.K. passports in the murder of Mahmud al-Mabhuh in Dubai on 19 January 2010. The SOCA investigation found circumstantial evidence of Israeli involvement in the fraudulent use of British passports. This has raised the possibility that your passport details could be captured for improper uses while your passport is out of your control. The risk applies in particular to passports without biometric security features. We recommend that you only hand your passport over to third parties including Israeli officials when absolutely necessary."
Now if only they will admit that the London 7-7 bombing was an inside job, with Israel as suspect as well.