What the LIHOP Crusade of Jon Gold's 911Blogger Perpetuates

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The Layalina Review
VOL. VI NO. 14, July 2-July 15, 2010

Ground Zero Tolerance

A group of Muslim Americans seeking to build a community center named The Cordoba House in Manhattan next to the 9/11 site, known as Ground Zero, faces strong protests from several groups in the New York city area opposed to the construction of what they misleadingly call the “Ground-Zero Mosque,” reports Alex Pareene of Salon. “Through misinformation and shameless fear-mongering,” he alleges, protectors managed to rally 36 percent of Manhattan inhabitants to support their cause. The poll did not report how Muslims as a religious group felt about the community center.

Pareene denounces some of the attacks and implications that have been made against the Cordoba House, such as the allegation by GOP gubernatorial candidate Rick Lazio, who implied that the provenance of center’s funds is unclear, thus raising suspicions of terrorist ties. The Cordoba House is a joint effort between the American Society for Muslim Advancement and The Cordoba Initiative, which states that its mission is to improve relations between Muslims and the West.

Ironically, Pareene remarks that televangelist Bill Keller proposed “a solution” to assuage an alleged fear of growing radicalization: a one million dollar “Christian center in lower Manhattan in response to the Cordoba Initiative’s plans for a 13-story mosque and community center there.”

"If they can put a mosque near Ground Zero, we should be able to put a Christian center near Ground Zero and give people a choice," Keller said in a phone interview. He stated that the Islamic center was "a spit in the face of the people of New York."

Pareene dismisses this idea, pointing out that there is already a church near the Ground Zero site. He additionally questioned Keller’s motives and past, as the televangelist spent some time behind bars.

Bill Keller described his moment of revelation that led him to plan his own 9/11 Christian Center near Ground Zero to Charisma Magazine. "I was in prayer and God said, ‘Listen, if the Muslims can build a temple to their false god at Ground Zero, why can't there be a place dedicated to the true God of the Bible on that same area?'" said Keller, whose website claims 2.4 million subscribers. , "Rather than a [protest] event we're going to have an ongoing work of God right there because the Bible says you combat the darkness with the light," he continued.

Feisal Abdul Rauf, an imam based in New York and Chairman of the Cordoba Initiative, explained that the principal aim of the center is to prevent radicalization and the recurrence of events like 9/11. He added that The Cordoba House will include a public memorial to the nearly 3,000 victims of the terrorist attack.

"My colleagues and I are the anti-terrorists," Rauf wrote in a New York Daily News op-ed. "We are the people who want to embolden the vast majority of Muslims who hate terrorism to stand up to the radical rhetoric. Our purpose is to interweave America's Muslim population into the mainstream society.

Yet many remain opposed to the project and the building of the center, with various groups attempting to confer landmark status on a century-old building at the proposed site. New York's Landmarks Preservation Commission held a hearing to debate the issue, reveals Charisma, but the final decision won’t be announced until later this summer.

Some critics of the project have expressed their disagreement with the building of The Cordoba House, claiming that “building a mosque so near Ground Zero would be viewed as a victory for Muslim terrorists.” Many interpret the project as an attempt to impose political Islam in New York.

"The situation in New York is really insulting," said James Lafferty, head of the Virginia Anti-Shariah Task Force. Last month, he led a protest against the building of The Cordoba House. "All of the people who were involved in the cowardly attacks on the World Trade Center were from radical Islam ... and they are now establishing a mosque ... in the shadow of the World Trade Center," he stated.

James Lafferty, head of the Virginia Anti-Shariah Task Force who led a protest last month against the building of Cordoba House, whose wife Andrea Lafferty is executive director of the Traditional Values Coalition, said that the Islamic center is part of an effort to establish Shariah law in the US. “Building a mosque near Ground Zero is like building a memorial to Hitler at Auschwitz,” was one of the phrases on a protester's sign, reports Aline Reynolds at The Downtown Express. A group of men with Vietnam veteran hats carried a banner that read: “All I need to know about Islam, I learned on 9/11.”

The debate was also taken on TV where CBS and NBC have refused to air a controversial advert funded by the National Republican Trust, a conservative group not affiliated to the Republican Party, condemning plans to build The Cordoba House, reports the BBC. The video entitled "Kill the Ground Zero Mosque," describes the center as a "monstrosity" that will invite further attacks on the US.

The video has been relatively popular on YouTube, receiving over 100 000 pages, but as to date of publication, it is unclear if other networks in the US will broadcast it. In emails obtained by the news website Politico, NBC Universal advertising standards manager Jennifer Riley wrote that because it did not make a distinction between terror groups and the religious organization behind the mosque, "the ad is not acceptable under our guidelines for broadcast".

The advert displays “dramatic images” of the 9/11 attacks and “images of rejoicing Islamic militants set to a soundtrack of Muslim prayer.”

Alex Parenee of Salon expressed his concern that the behavior displayed by Keller and his supporters may convey the idea that America has become an anti-Muslim nation. Reynolds concurs and concludes that Muslim Americans feel demonized and that as far as they are concerned “the damage is done.”

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Jpass's picture

yuck

I just got an e-mail from a friend who claimed "the Muslims are building a mosque at ground zero and Obama is doing nothing about it!"

To which I replied...

"About the mosque at Ground Zero...I say build away! Muslims and Islam were not responsible for the attacks on 9/11/2001. Maybe this mosque will push more Americans to look at that day (9/11) and review the facts"

It's odd though. I have people I tell over and over about 9/11/2001 and how "Muslims" were blamed. They even agree and yet are in an up-roar over this mosque. They routinely talk about 'the Muslims' and how detrimental they are. Can we get them to go back and remember how they thought about "Muslims" before 9/11/2001?

The video you posted is the type of garbage you see daily on the religious channels with Pat Robertson and John Hagee. These people are hate mongers who instruct their flock on the issue of Israel vs. The Terrorists. Apparently, God will not be kind to those who go against Israel.

It's sick sick stuff.

Jpass's picture

The Gold approach to 9/11 Truth

After reading this blog entry (mainly the title), I asked myself "Is there a problem with Jon Gold's approach to 911 Truth and if so, how would I describe it?"

When we say "jon gold" we I think we're really talking about is a specific mindset and approach to 9/11 Truth. So what is that mindset? What is wrong with that mindset? How do we identify this mindset?

After years of observation, I know there is something seriously wrong with the Gold approach to 9/11 Truth. But I'd like a little help in describing and defining what exactly it is.

Here's the problems I've noticed:

  • Reluctance to portray "Muslims" as the ultimate victims of the 9/11 Attacks and to give credence to this idea that "Islamic Extremism" was behind these attacks and was / is a real threat.
  • a hyper-sensitivity to anti-Jewishness within the movement to the point of paranoia compared to a lack of interest in pointing out veiled anti-Muslim propaganda within the Truth Movement

Add to the list. Do these points even stick? I'm questioning myself here and trying to better articulate the problem with the Gold approach.

And I'm not talking about how annoying Jon Gold is himself. His personal approach is obviously ego-driven and he does things like use "The Family Members" as trump cards in debate. I'm talking about the title to this blog entry.

Chris's picture

I think the points stick.

I think the points stick. And good point about it being about more than just Gold himself. YT,Gold,Albanese,Col.Jenny and many others employ the tactics you describe regularly. The same double standards that exist in corporate mainstream media as it pertains to the "war on terror" or anything having to do with Israel and the arab world exist in the 9/11 truth movement because of these people who try and control the debate.

When you really step back you see that the so called 9/11 truth movement(not including this site and a select few others) is not much different than the media they bitch about. What happens when somebody in the MSM comes close to being honest or even handed about Israel/Palestine? They are typically called anti-semitic, or at the very least they are marganilized. What happens when you mention basically anything having to do with Israel(i) ties to 9/11 at say 911blogger? The anti-arab tools engage in conflation and scream about "bashing the jews". How different are they? Not very.

Jpass's picture

yea i've noticed that

Chris,
I've noticed this. On one hand the argument is "we have to be careful so the media doesn't portray us as anti-Semites" therefor Israel should be approached by tip-toe. On the other hand they are exaggerating the anti-Jewishness in the 911 Truth movement and using this exact tactic to label fellow 9/11 Truthers.

Chris's picture

Almost makes you wonder why

Almost makes you wonder why certain people are so defensive about the subject huh? When I see certain people at 911blogger and elsewhere immediately jump to the "oh, you're a "blame the jews" guy huh?" BS at the mere mention of Israel, or Silverstein being mentioned one too many times etc. I can't help but think that those people are more than just useful idiots.

It also shows how they can't find actual anti-jewishness(outside of the obvious controlled opposition of Hufschmid,Prothink etc.) so they have to trot that bullshit out at only the mere mention of Israel. I guess in some cases its more of a "warning" than a response though.

gretavo's picture

To me it's all about the double standard...

Arabs and Muslims = guilty until proven innocent

Bush administration = guilty (of letting it happen on purpose) until proven innocent

Israelis/American Zionists = "What proof do you have? Circumstancial evdience isn't proof! You only suspect them because they're Jewish and you are an anti-semite! And it makes the movement look bad! You think Jews are the cause of all the world's ills don't you!"

Chris's picture

well put

You obviously have the 9/11blogger/truthaction equation down. Amazing how similar the tactics they use are to those who dominate the debate on all things Israel(or war more generally) in the media. Those "dangerous radical activists" on the flotilla in INTERNATIONAL waters deserved to get shot to death. Or so you would think if you lisrtened to our media. And of course "radical muslims" want to destroy us and played a key role in 9/11-but BushCheneyRummy helped them out a bit!. Or so you would think if you listened to the controlled 9/11 truth movement.

casseia's picture

Truthmover/ Jules spells it out....

Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:20 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
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I guess the logic here is that since most ppl are quietly anti-semetic (jews) or even quite visibly anti-semetic (arabs) we might as well tap into it and use it for our own ends?

Yeah, and what I've realized is that many who are skeptical on the far-right or in the so called 'Patriot' movements really don't like pointing the finger at the US and that Israel and the Jews are an easy way out of feeling insecure about their countries leaders. It's a generalization, but is certainly true for a great many.

Of course a good deal of it comes from the Muslim world that very widely believe Israel was responsible and not based on significant evidence but simply cultural bias.

I won't back down. If you spend any significant amount of time talking about Israel's role in the attack, some part of your expression is based on some kind of bias. It reminds me of white people that tell racist jokes about Black people until the Black guy walks in. It's easy to be a covert bigot online as you never have to face the people insulted by your rhetoric.

[Transparent fucking hypocrite. How about part two of what you quoted, dumbfuck?]

Chris's picture

That comment epitomizes

That comment epitomizes hypocrisy. No mention of his and others propensity to blame muslims,evidence be damned. Nice touch on the "far right" thing too(so CNN). Kind of hurts his theory that by just about anybodys measure I would be considered pretty "leftwing" for the most part. Then in his anti-semitic(arabs) hypocrisy he manages to infer that many muslims believe Israel is responsible NOT because of Israels sordid past and because of "significant evidence" but because of "simply cultural bias". Tell us how you really feel Jules. It's obvious to me.

gretavo's picture

exactly.

NOT because of Israels sordid past and because of "significant evidence" but because of "simply cultural bias"

Forget the attack on the USS Liberty, forget the Lavon affair, forget the bombing of the King David Hotel by Zionist terrorists, forget the current Israeli government honoring the perpetrators of that attack, forget the illicit nuclear program built behind a veil of lies, forget the incessant spying, from Jonathan Pollard to the dancing Israelis to AIPAC's Rosen and Weissman, forget Larry Silverstein's attempt to strong arm his way to a lucrative free-trade zone in the Negev through his obedient servants Sharon and Netanyahu. Forget all of this, because it isn't nearly as relevant as the allegation by Indian sources that a Pakistani wired $100,000 to Mohammed Atta. THAT - not Israel's long list of "priors" is what should lead our inquiry. The fact that Israel has for decades abused its so-called special relationship with America has nothing to do with the fact that the Bush and bin Laden families have had business ties in the past. THAT is a clear indicator of guilt--for Pete's sake, bin Laden even worked with the CIA to recruit religiously motivated fighters to bog down the Soviets in their own Vietnam--what more proof do we need??

Isn't it obvious? It's not speculating--not at all--to suggest that with the cold war over and the ever-present oil lust among the WASPy American elite that the Bush administration would instruct its proxy terrorist band to attack us while they looked the other way! That's just plain old common sense!

But Israel? American Zionists with conflicting loyalties? Whooooa--hold on--you must think the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is true!! Nurse, come quick, I think this one has onset of Jewhateritis! Look, I want to be fair here--it's TRUE that Netancuckoo said 9/11 was good for Israel, and that, however obviously true, was VERY insensitive and undiplomatic of him to say. But if you're going to infer from that Mr. Silverstein had any motive to actually assist Israel in some kind of murderous fraud for a paltry $7 billion then I'm going to have to ask you, in all seriousness, what size jackboot do you wear?

gretavo's picture

oh, and...

don't even bother with the "oooh Hufschmid and Bollyn and Prothink are controlled oppostion designed to make suspicion of Zionist agency in 9/11 look like its purely motivated by hate" crap, because we KNOW that you also hate Jews. It's obvious by the way you constantly use the term "Zionist" when we know you mean "filthy Jew". In fact the only people that use the term Zionism or Zionist are closeted Jew haters.

Chris's picture

No joke, I was basically

No joke, I was basically told that very thing myself,that even using the word "Zionist" is an indicator of racism. A local radio show here used to read my emails on-air(until the co-host who read my emails and spoke honestly about issues was fired) and I made the "mistake" of using that word a time or 2. The response was quick and predictable. I was compared to the president of Iran by one idiot. In fact the other co-host(not the cool one) even "jokingly" said I sound like David Duke. Ive been posting here for quite some time, have I ever made any Duke-esque comments? I was fucking pissed despite how typical it all was.

Chris's picture

How dare you list those very

How dare you list those very relevant crimes you crypto-nazi! Lists are so anti-semitic anyway....

juandelacruz's picture

please post a link for where

please post a link for where all this shit is coming from

gretavo's picture

sorry, i made it up...

...satire.. :-/

Annoymouse's picture

This fellow Julian started a

This fellow Julian started a blogspot on April 5, 2009. The tenth post appeared on May 24, 2009. In that post he slammed the "Jews did 911" thesis with an opening "I know of no credible evidence whatsoever linking anyone who is Jewish to the attacks on 9/11." After getting some responses he deleted them but left up an alleged response where someone left a link to this site while calling him "you coward son of a bitch..."

http://911truthburnout.blogspot.com/2009/05/taking-out-trash-jews-did-91...

Does anyone here know who this apparent poster that calls him "you coward son of a bitch" really was?

Anyway, Julian had gotten some earlier polite responses on that thread and he erased them all. After that, his blog seemed to fizzle down. There have been six posts on it since that time about 14 months ago, as compared with the 10 that he put up in the seven weeks after starting the blog. It really did seem like his only reason for ever even starting that blog was just to put up the one post which insisted that no evidence pointed at Israel. He didn't seem to have much to say after that.

gretavo's picture

yup, we covered that extensively...

Chris's picture

I couldn't help but notice

I couldn't help but notice that 911blogger is no longer linked to by this site. While I'm sure I would completely understand your reasoning for dropping them(we can all think of many good reasons) I can't help but be a little disappointed that I'll actually have to give them traffic every day now. I still lurk at 911b every now and then but had gotten good at avoiding actually visiting the site more than a few times a month at most. I would just look at the 911b newest stories headlines from this site and rarely click over. You're helping 911blogger get more traffic!!!

gretavo's picture

good catch

Indeed I removed all mentions of 911blogger.com from the front page because I believe them to be completely irrelevant now. If in fact we are increasing traffic to them in one sense, we are probably reducing it overall by simply not displaying their links, which incidentally also help improve their search page rank. The last few times I clicked on anything over there it was clear that the place is a ghost town populated (such as it is) overwhelmingly by frauds like the truthaction shills (another site that has become a sad little ghost town.) I felt it was time to move on and leave 911blogger in our dust. :)

Chris's picture

fair enough

My last line was basically tongue in cheek anyway. I don't blame you one bit for dropping the bastards. Sadly they do still have some interesting and useful stories from time to time though. I'll try and keep my trips over there to a minimum, may they die on the vine.

gretavo's picture

well I'm counting on people...

...to crosspost those rare quality entries here. :)