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Petraeus: Israel is putting American lives at risk (updated)
Update I: All this is interesting given that General Petraeus has been named as the 2010 recipient of the American Enterprise Institute (AEI)’s Kristol Award — is this a neocon attempt to politically co-opt a key military figure involved in two wars, hoped by some to become “President Petraeus” (though he says he’s not interested)? The plot thickens. See also Spencer Ackerman’s Petraeus Reportedly Wanted To Put West Bank, Gaza Under Central Command (although publicly denied by General Petraeus, an assertion repeated in Vanity Fair by Mark Bowden) and Updates II, III and IV added below.
Mark Perry has elaborated on his recent FP piece at Paul Woodward’s War in Context. In ‘The Petraeus briefing: Biden’s embarrassment is not the whole story‘, Perry describes an unprecedented bombshell briefing with Admiral Mullen in which the views of senior Arab leaders that the US administration is ineffectual and incapable of standing up to Israel are conveyed, as well as those of General Petraeus who sees the so-called ‘special relationship’ with Israel as putting American lives and interests at risk.
With a long-time Pentagon association, Perry notes that the only lobby in the US on a par with the Israel Lobby is the military, which makes this briefing even more significant:
The January Mullen briefing was unprecedented. No previous CENTCOM commander had ever expressed himself on what is essentially a political issue; which is why the briefers were careful to tell Mullen that their conclusions followed from a December 2009 tour of the region where, on Petraeus’s instructions, they spoke to senior Arab leaders. “Everywhere they went, the message was pretty humbling,” a Pentagon officer familiar with the briefing says. “America was not only viewed as weak, but its military posture in the region was eroding.”
Mark Perry additionally comments (excerpted here and worth reading in full):
My sense is that General Petraeus neither likes nor dislikes Israel: but he loves his country and he wants to protect our soldiers. The current crisis in American relations with Israel is not a litmus test of General Petraeus’s loyalty to Israel, but of his, and our, concern for those Americans in uniform in the Middle East.
It is, perhaps, a sign of the depth of “the Biden crisis” that every controversy of this type seems to get translated into whether or not America and its leaders are committed to Israel’s security. This isn’t about Israel’s security, it’s about our security.
Perry reiterates these sentiments in this The World interview (see also this Democracy Now! interview):
This follows in the wake of Biden’s visit to Israel where, according to a report in Yedioth Ahronoth, Biden reportedly told Netanyahu privately: “This is starting to get dangerous for us. What you’re doing here undermines the security of our troops who are fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. That endangers us and it endangers regional peace.”
Update II
General Petraeus’s Centcom Statement before the Senate Armed Services Committee – 16th March 2010 (56pp .pdf):
Page 12:
Insufficient progress toward a comprehensive Middle East peace. The enduring hostilities between Israel and some of its neighbors present distinct challenges to our ability to advance our interests in the AOR [area of responsibility]. Israeli-Palestinian tensions often flare into violence and large-scale armed confrontations. The conflict foments anti-American sentiment, due to a perception of U.S. favoritism for Israel. Arab anger over the Palestinian question limits the strength and depth of U.S. partnerships with governments and peoples in the AOR and weakens the legitimacy of moderate regimes in the Arab world. Meanwhile, al-Qaeda and other militant groups exploit that anger to mobilize support. The conflict also gives Iran influence in the Arab world through its clients, Lebanese Hizballah and Hamas.
Page 33:
A credible U.S. effort on Arab-Israeli issues that provides regional governments and populations a way to achieve a comprehensive settlement of the disputes would undercut Iran’s policy of militant “resistance,” which the Iranian regime and insurgent groups have been free to exploit.
Page 38:
The Levant and Egypt sub-region is the traditional political, social, and intellectual heart of the Arab world and is vital to security and stability in the CENTCOM AOR. Because of its history as a primary battleground between rival ideologies, the dynamics of this sub-region, particularly with regard to Israel, influence the internal and external politics of states outside the region as well. In addition, U.S. policy and actions in the Levant affect the strength of our relationships with partners in the AOR. As such, progress toward resolving the political disputes in the Levant, particularly the Arab-Israeli conflict, is a major concern for CENTCOM.
In Paul Woodward’s take, he writes of Petraeus’s statements:
If such a statement was being made outside the American political arena, it could be regarded as a rather bland expression of what has long been utterly obvious. Yet from the lips of a celebrated general, regarded by many as a potential future president, these words come as a bombshell.
Neoconservatives and the Israel lobby have worked hard and long to obscure the deeply corrosive regional impact of a conflict that successive Israeli leaders have either been unwilling or seemingly incapable of resolving. Others, who earlier said what Petraeus now says, have either been dismissed as poorly informed or worse, branded as anti-Israeli or by insinuation, anti-Semitic.
No such charge will stick to Petraeus. Indeed, if the Israel lobby was so foolhardy as to try and go after an American general who sometimes gets treated like a latterday Eisenhower, the lobby will be at dire risk of being visited by its own greatest fear: being branded as anti-American.
In the Washington Post, the editorial finds itself in a similar position to AIPAC: having to oppose its own government to maintain its untenably uncritical line on Israel. As Joe Klein noted of AIPAC’s statement: “I can’t remember another ethnic or religious lobbying group publicly siding with a foreign country against the President of the United States…especially when the country in question is engaging in behavior that the international community believes is illegal.” Similarly, WaPo’s editorial entitled “The U.S. quarrel with Israel” says
It has been startling — and a little puzzling — to see Mr. Obama deliberately plunge into another public brawl with the Jewish state.
As Robert Dreyfuss notes in The Pentagon Vs Israel? (see also US-Israel Showdown?),
“With any luck, that brawl is just beginning”.
And the neocons mentioned at the start? As Jim Lobe wonders: “And now that the neo-conservatives, staunch supporters of Bibi Netanyahu, have built up Petraeus as the greatest U.S. military commander since World War II, and, thanks to Bill Kristol, a presidential candidate to die for, how will they react?”
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See also John Mearsheimer, Scott Horton, Helena Cobban, Amjad Atallah, Pat Buchanan on Biden’s groveling, a round-up of the blogosphere from Ali Gharib and this funny post about Abe Foxman predictably going apoplectic.
Update III
The rightwing pundits are crowing because General Petraeus reportedly issued a denial about his comments to his israeli counterpart, but personally, I subscribe to the late Lebanese PM Hariri’s comments about truth and denial: never believe anything until it has been officially denied.
Update IV
Mark Bowden’s Vanity Fair profile of Petraeus repeats Mark Perry’s claim that General Petraeus requested I-P be added to CENTCOM AOR (h/t Matt Duss):
In addition to these two major wars, Petraeus is responsible for the politically delicate security-assistance efforts in Pakistan and Yemen. He is responsible for preparing military options in the event that a confrontation with Iran over its nuclear ambitions moves beyond threats and sanctions. He has brought an expansive vision to his new job, just as he has done in the past, pushing the Obama administration to rethink its approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in the broader context of the region. He relies on the cooperation of Arab nations, and so must cope with their unhappiness over America’s inability to make progress in peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians. It is such a direct problem for Petraeus that he requested in January that the Palestinian territories be added to his command portfolio—they currently reside with EuCom (the European Command). The request was denied, but the general’s thinking has begun to influence the Obama administration’s approach to the issue. Petraeus’s overriding focus is on routing al-Qaeda. Far more intensely than commanders were able to in the past—recall those computer screens in his office—Petraeus oversees the ever expanding effort to target and kill Islamist extremists, using everything from pilotless drones to submarine-launched cruise missiles. He still tries to go to bed every night with fewer enemies than he woke up with.
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Yes! so brand them as "anti-American"
"..Indeed, if the Israel lobby was (were) so foolhardy as to try and go after an American general who sometimes gets treated like a latterday Eisenhower, the lobby will be at dire risk of being visited by its own greatest fear: being branded as anti-American."
They may have taken down a
They may have taken down two or more US Presidents, and everyone who knew let it slide. JFK, Bill C, maybe more. It is success from the past that lets them act so bold today. Too many traitors in key positions are pushing their message and most everyone just goes along unfortunately.
the "two" party system is part of the problem
as far as letting it slide. if our supposed representatives in Congress were not generally in lockstep with the huge organizations (parties) that make or break their careers they might once in a while show some independence and courage, like say, when a president has been murdered might be a good time to do that.
I just don't buy that
I just don't buy that Petraeus is going to or is taking on Israel in any real way. He immediately backtracked when the memo came to light(and denied the CENTCOM thing). His pro-war objectives largely dovetail with the pro-war zionist agenda anyway. Not to mention his boss Obama is only slightly(very slightly) more even handed on the Israel/Palestine issue. Israel has nothing to worry about as far as I can tell. Hope I'm wrong.
I agree 100%. If he has any
I agree 100%. If he has any honor and sense of duty to the citizens of your country and constitution, he should refuse to participate in these illegal wars, not today, not tomorrow but as soon as he found out that 9-11 was bogus. I am sure he knows by now.
He aint another high school physics flunky like Gold, is he?
Exactly. We can speculate
Exactly. We can speculate all day about the motives of morons like Gold but someone in the position Petreaus is in has an obligation to put the country he serves first. I'm not jingoistic or anything but it is treason in my mind to be silent in the face of Israels crimes against the US/US citizens over the years. 9/11 is one thing, and I firmly believe Israelis played the lead role in that attack, but even putting that aside Petreaus has more than enough information to see that Israel is not a "close ally" of the US. It is a terrorist state in the truest sense of the word. He has an obligation. I don't think he has the heart to stand up to the beast. The wars go on and they are in large part for Israel whether Petreaus wants to face that reality or not. If he in fact DOES know or even suspect that 9/11 is a fraud he is even more disgraceful than I thought.
I'm skeptical too
But open to be proven right/wrong. One way to read the AEI award and talk of the presidency is that they are trying to bribe Petraeus--basically rolling out the carpet of gold, the offer he "can't refuse". I wouldn't be 100% sure that he does know the truth about 9/11--maybe he does, maybe he doesn't...
He is very high up the
He is very high up the ladder in US Gov. I would suppose that in his position, the military having an intel arm of its own, he would know by now because any of their analysts who has passed high school physics would at one point or another have had to consider the images of WTC 1 & 2 exploding as the rest of the world has seen. Military intel would not have let something like the attacks go un analyzed. They would have dug up all info and that would put them in contact with all the websites about WTC 7 and 9-11 truth. Intel would have flowed up the channels to the top where someone like Patreus decides to keep the lid on everything and not tell the boys that 9-11 was false flag inside job.
Why assume that Patreus is as stupid as Jon Gold. He is not, he is a collaborator just like the whole of the US Congress and the previous and current White House. Keeping silent in this case is treason, plain and simple. If he keeps his mouth shut while knowing the US is under attack from foreign and domestic threats, then he is failing his sworn duty and is a criminal under the constitution.
We keep on blaming Zionist for 9-11 but lets not forget most of the trigger pullers murdering people in Afghanistan and Iraq are Americans. Some of them may have been fooled by the 9-11 myth, but a lot of the officers are perpetuating the myth and I don't believe that none of them know 9-11 was a false flag. It is impossible no soldier knows because the US Military is such a large organization. Too many people, and some of them will know about 9-11 truth websites by now. They still keep their mouth shut or they are contained by those who are actively promoting the 9-11 myth. Either way I think too much of this is due to valuing their career above their sworn duty. What a shame, a real shame.
valuing their career above their sworn duty
yup..in a nutshell. i think if Gen Petraeus or any of the others know, the either value their career more than their sworn duty or they are being threatened.