Who could best be called the "national leader" of 9/11 truth?
Jon Gold
7% (3 votes)
Richard Gage
31% (13 votes)
Steven Jones
5% (2 votes)
David Ray Griffin
57% (24 votes)
Total votes: 42
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Who could best be called the "national leader" of 9/11 truth?Jon Gold 7% (3 votes) Richard Gage 31% (13 votes) Steven Jones 5% (2 votes) David Ray Griffin 57% (24 votes) Total votes: 42 »
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At first...
I was going to say it's a tough call between Griffin and Gage, but I lost a small amount of respect for Gage when he caved in to the true faction pressure and distanced himself (but didn't retract) his support for National Security Alert.
Griffin doesn't cave in at all.
Jon Gold isn't worthy of shining DRG's shoes.
Coronation
Gretavo,
I think you should work on something special for Jon Gold's inevitable, and likely imminent return and coronation as our leader at 911Blogger.
Worth another look...
Maybe a coronation is a
Maybe a coronation is a little cheap, perhaps a deification is more appropriate.
coronation...
http://dir.salon.com/news/feature/2004/06/21/moon/index.html
i dunno
how inevitable or imminent it would be... having him "boycott" it creates ostensible diversity that masks the actual uniformity.
On the one hand, 911 Blogger
On the one hand, 911 Blogger seems to be on a knife edge with the return of Loose Nuke's agenda and the disappearance of LW and the influx of the old chorus of approval at the same time.
If 911Family Guy were to return it might blow 911 Blogger's credibility altogether with the larger readership they want to keep onside and divert.
However the larger readership is now waking up, and beginning to desert anyway, as more people see the agenda.
Under these circumstances, if 911Blogger is in decline anyway, and the fake truth movement have no where else to go to start over (911veterans.com etc) then why not use Bloggers existing controlled membership in a last ditch attempt to try and hijack the movement before it and the fake truth movement become entirely irrelevant to 911truth?
How long can they carry on at 911blogger subtly trying to redirect focus as the site slowly loses credibility , as more and more find DRG or the Architects more convincing than the people trying to discredit them.
It has all been about creating noise, diversion,antagonism
& division, and you have to admit Family guy was the master at that, and 911Blogger was his kingdom. 911 blogger is still their best asset.I expect them to ratchet up the division and continue to discredit the DRG and the scientists, becoming the new Jref.
Now that the Adams are censored at Blogger, surely that gives Biggy an opportunity to return with his high principles intact?
Come on JG , don't disappoint me ! Or do! it's a win/win situation !
What? You mean like a meal or something?
I hear he likes Dave and Busters and the Pizza Hut buffet... did you know he takes a togo bag for "the families"?
"The future is not inherited, it is achieved." JFK
I just had a horrible thought
What if Jon Gold threw his considerable weight behind a "megaphone" type campaign with all his friends and people of interest and they spammed up the poll here... and he actually WON!
Tell me someone wrote a backdoor access into the polling software like the Diebold voting machines so that can't happen. Please tell me that.
"The future is not inherited, it is achieved." JFK
Now that you mention it, who
Now that you mention it, who the hell voted for Jon Gold anyway? I'm assuming it was somebody trying to be ironic? Speaking of Diebold though, I actually voted for Gage twice(once as anonymous and once signed in as myself. Sorry gretavo, I won't do it again,promise!)
Who voted for Jon Gold?
Undoubtedly it was one of those members of TrueFaction who claim they never bother coming to this site anymore because "every minute spent reading our site is a minute lost for the cause of truth".
speaking of lost cause....
Unlike those people I will admit to having read TrueFaction from time to time. Its unintentionally hilarious. Col. Jennys blog is just plain scary though.
He probably voted for himself anonymously
But for the record, since you mentioned the "spamming" idea, I just want to make it clear that if Gretavo is noticing an uptick in new people registering at the site, it is not for that. I've suggested to people in my Cincinnati group (who are fed up with blogger) to register here and use this site as a friendly alternative.
Don't worry Gret, nothing nefarious! To the contrary, your site is getting more popular as people start waking up and smelling the BS!
no no... its ok
registered users, i.e. real people, get an extra vote compared to anonymous people--I think that's not just fair but probably makes the poll more accurate. and yes, I can change any of the numbers at will, so the poll is only as trustowrthy as I am. But I have not rigged this one at all. :)
My vote for DRG simply
My vote for DRG simply because as the fake truth movement are now trying to discredit him, he must be the biggest threat.
oooh now wait a minuite! Who
oooh now wait a minuite!
Who has actually been targeted the most?
I expect they think Gage is neutralized because "you have to be an engineer to understand basic science taught to 14 year olds".
Anyway, Brian has also proved that buildings can actually fall at freefall, the entire structure falls away inside BEFORE the building freefalls.
They are very keen on publicizing anything immediately and discussing it at length when they have some more "Kook" Shit to fling at Stephen Jones.
And, well after all, DRG owes everything for his success to Jon Gold for having promoted him, and limelighted him. Where would DRG be today without this help eh?.
Gage has an established
Gage has an established organization that he actually leads. DRG does research, books and lectures but he does not lead truthers in the context where truthers actions are coordinated. If DRG wanted to, I think a lot of truthers would follow his call.
I still don't see the need
I still don't see the need for A truth movement or for any one leader. It reminds me of the religions, the churches of the world. A pope and bishops and cardinals to lead the flock of Christians!! No, I love 911 truth and I am finding my own awareness of what is what. That's what's wrong with blogger and Jon Gold and John Albanese. They want to get organized, be one coherent, acceptable, agreeing on most issues group. This is sheer ridiculousness!! As if we can all agree on god and love. And when groups form, they start fighting against one another.
So I say let's remain individuals, bound mostly by our passionate and intense inquiry into what REALLY happened on 911. Let's be loosely bound.
When you elect leaders, you start pressuring them to be the way you want. Richard Gage is being how he wants, and so is DRG, Craig and all of us. I think youthful energy is important, so I voted for Richard Gage, if I had to choose. Let's go even younger and choose Dylan Avery or Craig Ranke!
Lillyann
One word: Honesty
"That's what's wrong with blogger and Jon Gold and John Albanese. They want to get organized, be one coherent, acceptable, agreeing on most issues group. This is sheer ridiculousness!! As if we can all agree on god and love."
I would disagree. To me, what's wrong with blogger and Jon Gold and John Albanese is not that they attempt to get organized and agree on most issues and form a clique. It is the fact that they have consistently shown themselves over and over again to have an agenda that is the opposite of their claim of being interested in the truth.
It pretty much boils down to this. There is a 9/11 Truth Movement. There is a 9/11 LIHOP Movement. The two are mutually exclusive. The lie that these frauds consistently repeat, though mostly unspoken, is that these two "movements" are one and the same when they have proven over and over again that the opposite is true. On top of that crucial misrepresentation is the fact that these people lie and misrepresent the truth at virtually every single occasion that they open their mouths, to the point that one must ask what the hell kind of "truth" movement would tolerate such behavior not just once, but over and over and over again from these same individuals. How many documented lies and misrepresentations should one "truther" be allowed to amass before they are shamed out of the truth movement? Seriously, I would really like to know.
Shouldn't there be like a central clearing house that documents the incidents of blatant dishonesty by every self-proclaimed "leader" or "influential" member of a "truth" movement, and after a certain number of documented violations, that person should be effectively excommunicated from any movement that has the word "truth" in the name?
Organizing is a necessary
Organizing is a necessary step I think. The success of Richard Gage is due to his organizing and leading the architects among truthers.
The truth movement is confronting a coherent and well funded group. I think it will take a lot of resources to defeat them in terms of education, outreach and exposure.
As Keenan says in the other post, the problem with Gold is his dishonesty which I think is due to his hidden agenda to protect certain parties linked to the WTC attacks. Some say he is protecting Silverstein in particular. I think he is protecting the Israeli groups linked to WTC in general.
beautiful
not a single vote for Jones. that is very encouraging.
(BTW.. "erstwhile" friend? I still love you guys. can't squable a bit among fellow wanderers?)
"The future is not inherited, it is achieved." JFK
hey, the line is always open
especially for independent thinkers, which you definitely seem to be, even if we don't agree/insult each other, whatever...
The most telling thing to me is...
... is the fact that Steven Jones is actually losing to Jon Gold at this point. Did you guys know they are making a new Steven Jones documentary? I guess his PR handlers are reading the same kind of polling numbers Gretavo has shown here so they have to keep their "Red Chip Herring" ace-in-the-hole relevent to the Truth movement. The manipulation in the movement and in the overall propaganda has become so obvious these days it's disgusting.
"The future is not inherited, it is achieved." JFK
Hi Willy, New info about
Hi Willy,
New info about Jones?
Hi juan. yeah actually there is...
I have been spending a lot of time on the hacked election in South Carolina and the Sinking of the Cheonan, which I think is another false flag attack.
I don't mean to spam up links here, but I would love you guys to take a look at it and tell me what you think. It was actually covered in the South Korean MSM and they brought a big muckey muck from their defense depatment to try and debunk me, without much luck.(some excellent research in some of the comments as well)
"The Sinking of the Cheonan: We Are Being Lied To"
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2010/05/24/the-sinking-of-the-cheonan-we...
As far as Jones is concerned I actually wrote something on him on May 26th...
"9/11 Truth Red Herring: Neoliberal BYU Has Financed, Staffed, and Peer-Reviewed Prof. Jones’ Flawed Thermite Distraction Since Day One"
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2010/05/26/neoliberal-byu-financed-and-p...
Jones was never "disiplined" by BYU... in fact, it seems they put him on special assignment right off the bat. Paying his salary, providing him an office and research materials, paying for the publication of his nanothermite paper and peer-reviewing it for him.
"The future is not inherited, it is achieved." JFK
Thanks. Not that I agree
Thanks.
Not that I agree with you on all your points, I give Jones the benefit of the doubt. He may not be perfect but I do not count him as a plant by the perps. Nothing is impossible however, so I do not hold him or anyone above criticism. He did contradict himself by saying that the nanothermite were just matches (ignitors) for conventional explosives which I found perplexing after he earlier estimated many tons of the stuff were used on WTC based on the amount found as unexploded dust/debris. The way things are however, where truth researchers try to investigate with imperfect information and access to evidence and witnesses, I think it is possible that honest truthers will sometimes face unexplained and even contradictory findings. It is for this reason that I give Jones and CIT the benefit of the doubt.
Of all the 9-11 truth personalities, I find Richard Gage the most consistent in the manner of not ever contradicting any of his own pronouncements.
DRG has been critiqued for shying away from Zionist involvement, which I find inconsistent of him as well given how thoroughly he has combed through the evidence and his stance on the involvement of the Bush administration.
I give him the benefit of the doubt too.
Regardless of his Jesus Visited America paper and his interest as to whether there are human-caused earthquakes, I give him the benefit. I have to be extremely convinced, i.e. forced to believe that the only possible conclusion is that someone's a plant, before firmly concluding such a thing.
And indeed, after a certain amount of reflection, I'm not even convinced Gold is an op. This is where Gret and I part ways. For the record, though, I DO think Erik Larson is.
That being said, there are MANY people who fit the category of "if not an op, might as well be" due to the inflammatory and divisive nature of their posts.
I think he said that was one possibility
that nanothermite was used in "electric matches", I don't think he siad it was just that and not something painted onto columns or whatever...
not exactly
What he actually said was that they couldn't even tell if the stuff was a high or a low explosive and that it is possible that the material was used to ignite high explosives for the demolition via "electric thermite matches"...
pretty straight forward if you ask me. He has made the same statement several times since in various forums.
Interestingly he also stated that NIST never tested for traces of those high explosves and that they should. Yet he has never tested for them either even though he certainly has access to all of BYU's labs...
"The red material does burn quickly as shown in the DSC,
and we have observed a bright flash on ignition, but determination of the burn rate of the red material may help to classify this as a slow or fast explosive. It may be that this material is used not as a cutter-charge itself, but rather as a means to ignite high explosives, as in super-thermite matches [30]. Having observed unignited thermitic material in the WTC residue, we suggest that other energetic materials suitable for cutter charges or explosives should also be looked for in the WTC dust. NIST has admitted that they have not yet looked for such residues" page 29, Active Thermitic Material Found in WTC Dust
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/000000...
"The future is not inherited, it is achieved." JFK
and lets not forget Jones' letter published on blogger
" Next, if you succeed in getting a few of the “super-thermite matches,” I propose to send you the complete paper that we have — which includes a discussion of these matches along with their potential usage on 9/11. I think that super-thermite “matches” of this type could very well have been used to trigger more conventional explosives such as C4 in the WTC buildings.
… A real demonstration would involve a C4 shaped charge applied to a steel column, with the cutter charge ignited by a highly-reliable super-thermite match (in turn triggered using a remote radio signal).
These experiments would test my hypothesis.
… About C4, we have not yet looked for residues and indeed these will be difficult to find UNLESS there was a taggant, which is unlikely (if my hypothesis of out-sourced production of C4 and probably super-thermite matches is correct…)" J0nes from email he published on 9/11 Blogger…
Jones has consistantly morphed his original "thermite" story, over and over again.. thermite, thermAte, superthermite, nanothermite, and now "electric matches"...
He always lets the theory last as long as it can stand up to the other researchers, then morphs it a bit thanks to new "discoveries" in his research.
He has single handedly stunted the chemical phase of the unofficial investigation of 911 since late 2005...
and the whole time he was getting paychecks from BYU, an institution by the way with a school in Jerusalem.
I am surprised that after all this time you still prefer to think controlled demolition of that skill level could have been accomplished with explosive paint on the walls...
but as you said... to each his own. Just don't forget to take all the rest of Jones' behavior into account as well as the fact that he is now working very closely with a guy who helped kick off Jim Hoffman's and Victoria Ashley's career.
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2009/09/01/so-now-professor-jones-agrees...
"The future is not inherited, it is achieved." JFK
red/gray fish n chips?
Sorry, couldn't resist. I'm not convinced that the nanotehrmite angle is indeed a red herring, but of course anything is possible...
damn. Family Guy is kicking Jones' butt...
3 to 1! You gotta love that. Maybe they are just solidarity votes for his "Trial of the Century" he is going through right now. Whatever happened to that anyway. Was he able to get through the courthouse door? Did he take some more publicity photos? Did he fall on the ground and start weeping? "This WHOLE COURT IS OUT OF ORDER!"
"The future is not inherited, it is achieved." JFK