Alan Hart, Alan Sabrosky, and Gordon Duff... Genuine ZIHOP or Controlled Opp?

gretavo's picture

All three have come out recently talking about Israel's role in 9/11, and all three have received a fair amount of play in 9/11 truth circles including from Kevin Barrett and Alex Jones. Anyone else get the feeling this is a new ZIHOP-containment strategy? When you can no longer ignore, co-opt...

Now, Norman Finkelstein once told me in an email exchange that he found it highly unlikely that "Bush did 9/11". But what about a lunatic state, Norm? Would a lunatic state--one that is no longer simply acting like a lunatic to scare its enemies but that is actually insane--be capable of perpetrating the 9/11 false flag op, perhaps with the help of similar-minded lunatics stateside?


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Annoymouse's picture

I'm glad you brought this up

It has crossed my mind. Duff and Sabrosky have seemingly come out of nowhere. No proof but stay on this gretavo. If they are controlled op, they will slip up.

gretavo's picture

the fake ZIHOP onslaught and True Faction's infiltration of 911B

Anyone else think its weird that John Bursill of all people posted the Barrett interview of Hart at 911Blogger, when Bursill is from a site (True Faction) that defames Kevin Barrett as a wife beater?  And how it's all happening at the same time as the recent user purge there, the flotilla incident, and in the midst of a lot of alleged ZIHOPpers "coming out"?  Now mind you, if Bolly really said those things in that interview I think its safe to say he's a racist...

 

 

Reality check

>>It is noteworthy that Hart offers no new evidence linking Mossad, Israel, Zionists or Jews to the 9/11 attacks; he simply states his opinion about their involvement.

What I'm seeing is a big uptick in both the "Jews Did 9/11" theme and that parallels the increasing racism and hate in general in the US, ever since Obama has come into office. The most recent example can be seen in the Arizona legislation, and earlier examples include several murders by white supremacists and the far right extremists.

The "Jews Did 9/11" theme and racist extremism typically have the same origins and shared interests, in White Supremacy, and rightwing militias.

Kevin Barrett is apparently not a white supremacist, but he plays into their game and grows their movement by allowing a person to make claims about Israel's or Zionists' involvement in 9/11 without any evidence, go unchallenged. There is a lot of evidence of Israel's involvement in 9/11 which is well documented. But Kevin Barrett's guests are typically not actually citing strong evidence, but are making emotionally charged claims without a basis in fact. John, that's part of why I have a problem with you promoting Kevin Barrett in this way, even as I know you have the best of intentions.

What white supremacists do is prey on any type of group they can possibly find a way into to create a magnet for their hate.

An example of someone who has one foot in the White Supremacy movement and one in 9/11 is Christopher Bollyn. He can be heard in an interview with David Duke decrying the idea that black men be allowed to date white women. He takes his many years of experience in Israel and he uses it to create a false legitimacy for himself as an opponent of Zionism but his real beliefs -- racism, that whites are superior while all other races are not, that whites are in danger from mixing with other races, etc -- are only rarely actually seen in interviews like this --

DAVID DUKE: But she talks about how she had this great love affair with this black person -- they didn't show any of it on the screen, thank God -- but again it was teaching all of the young blonde girls and white girls in the audience, basically, and the white guys, that it's perfectly OK, that it's just fine, and if you're a pretty white girl it's absolutely normal for you to have a love affair with a black person.

CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN: Yeah, this kind of intermarriage and interracial dating seems to have become very popular, not popular, but it's been accepted in countries like Sweden, Scandinavian countries and in Holland. You see it more and more and it's almost like these rather naïve European girls, they accept what they're being told on MTV, and they flock to these boys, many of whom, in Europe, are not, they're not even European, in the sense that they haven't grown up there. They're often immigrants from Africa and the cultural difference between these European girls and these African boys is so great that it can't make for a very good relationship in any way. But like you say, this has been forced on Europeans and Americans by MTV . . .
http://www.davidduke.com/mp3/dukeradiobollyn30april05.mp3

What's worse, amongst the real and credible points about the 9/11 attacks, a veiled white supremacist will typically make ridiculous claims like this, discrediting the movement --

"The plane that struck the South Tower, for example, had shapes, bulges, and holes which have led many analysts to believe it was a Boeing 767-300 refueling tanker that had been disguised as a 767-200 United Airlines passenger jet."
http://www.bollyn.com/index/?id=10708

And Kevin Barrett has no interest in challenging claims like those either. He promotes them.

There is a reason why he did a radio program with Jim Fetzer for as long as he did, and it's not because he had such amazing guests and programs . . .

John, we've had discussions like these, for example on the thread with your Big Tent post --

http://911blogger.com/news/2009-02-16/911-truth-and-big-tent-approach-sh...

The racist extremists will target Big Tent just like they will try to use Free Speech and any other type of argument to keep a foot hold in the movement to drag others into their realm whom they see as vulnerable, prey to plant the seeds of their hatred.

That's WHY they don't need any actual evidence to say that Mossad, Israel, Zionists or Jews were involved in 9/11 -- it doesn't matter, because it's just another way to connect to others who harbor the same "gut" level beliefs (not evidence) which can be nurtured into outright hatred.

"The "Jews Did 9/11" theme

"The "Jews Did 9/11" theme and racist extremism typically have the same origins and shared interests, in White Supremacy, and rightwing militias."
"The racist extremists will target Big Tent just like they will try to use Free Speech and any other type of argument to keep a foot hold in the movement to drag others into their realm whom they see as vulnerable, prey to plant the seeds of their hatred.

That's WHY they don't need any actual evidence to say that Mossad, Israel, Zionists or Jews were involved in 9/11 -- it doesn't matter, because it's just another way to connect to others who harbor the same "gut" level beliefs (not evidence) which can be nurtured into outright hatred."

And that, boys and girls, is how dog-whistle politics work:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics
http://agonist.org/ian_welsh/20060925/just_a_comma_dog_whistle_politics
http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Dog_whistle_politics

And it's not just in the 9/11 truth movement...

Thanks Jenny this is the discussion we need to have:)

This is what blogger is all about in my view, detailed deep and thoughtful discussion and reporting the 9/11 Truth Movements News and successes.

Lets get into it....

Regards John

 

gretavo's picture

the more desperate they get

the more obvious they become. Victronix linking to oilempire.us?? Really?

casseia's picture

She links to oilempire ALL THE TIME

911research and 911whatever both link to Mark "No controlled demolition" Robinowitz's site liberally. I guess she hopes people will just look at the link and skip the delusions of an Islamofascist menace that are all over the place.

Annoymouse's picture

She recently linked to Adam

She recently linked to Adam Hollands site(hes a rabid islamophobe who has previously bashed 9/11 truth activists). Col.Jenny is a joke. A sad joke. I would find her highly annoying if I didn't already know that she is certifiable. I kind of just feel sorry for her.