Which of the following recently discussed stories at 9/11 Blogger is the most relevant to 9/11 Truth?
Amy Goodman Protege Jeremy Scahill says it's "journalism's ground zero moment" without referring to 9/11
4% (1 vote)
"9/11 Mother Demands Obama Try Terrorist Plotters In Civilian Court"
4% (1 vote)
Frank Legge: AA77 Hit the Pentagon--No, Really, it Did!
14% (4 votes)
"Conspiracy Theory or Conspiracy Fact? ": Jimd3100 Accuses Saudi Arabia of Being Behind 9/11
11% (3 votes)
Jon Gold Arrested at Anti-War Demo Without 9/11 Truth Sign
29% (8 votes)
"The Intertubes' Funniest and Most Outrageous Cat Videos"
39% (11 votes)
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They had funny cat videos?
Where's the link? Where's the link?!
hmmm seems to have been taken down...
it was probably anti-semitic.
Jon gold arrested
I'm new here, hello!! Jon, the goldenheart! I was a little surprised at all the fussing over his arrest. The people at blogger seem to really love him. He just seems angry and quite anxious to be a leader of 911 truth. I personally don't need a leader to look up to, although I respect so many in th TM. Jon gold can do his thing, it just doesn't inspire me in any way. Over at blogger, I feel like Leftwright tries to allow some discussion. I love any dialogue about the pentagon; I am very intereted in CIT's work. I appreciate posts there from Adam Syed, Robert Rice, Whit, Bruno from Wacla, Breezyinva, and others. I am delighted to be registered here. Thanks
lillyann
welcome!
Yes, LA, there are definitely a few people who still post at 911blogger who are worth reading, but I think it's been made clear over the years that there are certain places you "don't go", like calling people out for peddling LIHOP theories long after they, like space beams and hologram planes, have passed into the category of truth movement history, arcana, and lore. It is not just still OK at 911blogger to pretend that the hijacking narrative can be taken at face value, you will get in trouble for questioning the intelligence or intentions of those who do it. So most people don't anymore. One could say that it's just as well, real truthers and anyone with half a brain can figure out that despite not being voted down or dissed in comments, some stuff like jimd3100's breathless reports of Saudi conspiracies behind 9/11 is pure bunk. On the other hand there would seem to be no *good* reason for stuff like that to go unchallenged, and its mere unchallenged presence on 911blogger could be used to misrepresent the views of the overwhelming majority of truthers...
Thank you.
Thank you.
outrageous dog video
this appears to have been pulled from the front page as of this evening.
some might say...
that the government recanting its claims about Abu Zubaydah means the claims are false.
Others would argue that all those claims were true, but the government wants us to believe they weren't because it doesn't want to reveal the fact that Zubaydah was working for the Saudis, and that the tapes of his interrogation were destroyed not because they were evidence of torture but because he spilled the beans about the Saudis and 9/11... but who are these others?
from a year and a half ago:
http://www.911blogger.com/node/18876
You see these Saudis with "Links to Al Qaeda" are not the only ones that are documented as being protected by Lord Bush, there is also the leader of the group of Saudis Bush let fly out of the Country just after 9/11, Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz, who was later fingered by inmates in Guantanamo as their boss.
"Abu Zubaydah has made startling revelations about secret connections linking Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Osama bin Laden. CIA men flew Zubaydah to an Afghan complex fitted out as a fake Saudi jail chamber, where "two Arab-Americans, now with Special Forces," pretending to be Saudi inquisitors, used drugs and threats to scare him into more confessions."
"Yet when Zubaydah was confronted by the false Saudis, writes Posner, "his reaction was not fear, but utter relief." Happy to see them, he reeled off telephone numbers for a senior member of the royal family who would, said Zubaydah, "tell you what to do."The man at the other end would be Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz, a Westernized nephew of King Fahd and a publisher better known as a racehorse owner. His horse War Emblem won the Kentucky Derby in 2002. To the amazement of the U.S., the numbers proved valid. When the fake inquisitors accused Zubaydah of lying, he responded with a 10-minute monologue laying out the Saudi-Pakistani-Osama triangle, according to the book."
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,480240,00.html
"Zubaydah, writes Posner, said the Saudi connection ran through Prince Turki al-Faisal bin Abdul Aziz, the kingdoms longtime intelligence chief. Zubaydah said bin Laden "personally" told him of a 1991 meeting at which Turki agreed to let bin Laden leave Saudi Arabia and to provide him with secret funds as long as al-Qaeda refrained from promoting jihad in the kingdom. The Pakistani contact, high - ranking air force officer Mushaf Ali Mir, entered the equation, Zubaydah said, at a 1996 meeting in Pakistan also attended by Zubaydah. Bin Laden struck a deal with Mir, then in the military but tied closely to Islamists in Pakistans Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), to get protection, arms and supplies for al-Qaeda. Zubaydah told interrogators bin Laden said the arrangement was "blessed by the Saudis," according to Posner."
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,480240,00.html
"Zubaydah said he attended a third meeting in Kandahar in 1998 with Turki, senior ISI agents and Taliban officials. There Turki promised, writes Posner, that "more Saudi aid would flow to the Taliban, and the Saudis would never ask for bin Ladens extradition, so long as al-Qaeda kept its long-standing promise to direct fundamentalism away from the kingdom."
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,480240,00.html
On July 22, 2002, Prince Ahmed was felled by a heart attack at age 43
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,480240,00.html
The others Zubaydah named also quickly died. Remember the interrogation of Zubaydah was videotaped.
According to this declassified FBI document as you can see on page 11/224 Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz, who Zubaydah named as his boss and even gave his phone number, was the leader of the Saudis that were allowed to leave the country immediatly after the attacks of 9/11.
http://www.truthout.org/imgs.art_02/saudidocs_2.pdf
Having it on videotape that you let the boss of the "Al Qaeda" inmates leave the country immediatly after 9/11 is not something you want hanging around for all history if you're the President is it?
The 9/11 commission asked the CIA about this. And what did the CIA do? They destroyed the tape and didn't respond. And you were told the tapes were destroyed because they showed torture. Here is the memo Phillip Zelikow made in order to cover his own ass which proves this.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/national/20071222-INTEL-MEMO.p...
Who is Al Qaeda? And who Fiances them?
It's a terrorist group, run by Intelligence agencies. Always has been.
Who financed Ramzi Yousef? Bin Ladens' brother in law Mohammed Jamal Khalifa.
"Khalifa started the Benevolence International Corporation in the Philippines in 1988, apparently to recruit people for the war against the Soviets. In 1992, that group folded visible operations while another group known as the Islamic Benevolence Committee renamed itself to Benevolence International Foundation. The remains of the Benevolence International Corporation have been accused of assisting the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and the Operation Bojinka plot that was foiled in 1995. "
"U.S. and Filipino investigators accused Khalifa of once being an important lieutenant of Osama bin Laden's Al-Qaeda organization, which was based in Sudan at the time he allegedly was involved in terrorist plots."
"Khalifa was arrested in Saudi Arabia shortly after the September 11, 2001 attacks, but was released without charges being filed."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Jamal_Khalifa
But when you get exposed you get dead. Like the folks Zubaydah fingered.
"On January 31, 2007, Khalifa was murdered by 25 to 30 armed men while visiting a gemstone mine he owned in Sakamilko, near the town of Sakaraha in southern Madagascar. He had recently called in local police to evict people who had been working the gem mine in his absence. Though all his belongings had been stolen there is some conjecture that the death was politically motivated."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Jamal_Khalifa
"The Benevolence International Foundation was a purported nonprofit charitable trust based in Saudi Arabia. It was a front for al-Qaeda and is now banned worldwide by the United Nations Security Council Committee . It had already been banned by the US Department of the Treasury. It was founded by Adel bin Abdul-Jalil Batterjee of Jeddah, who is now personally embargoed by the UN and by the US."
"Benevolence International Corporation is said to have been started in 1988 by Mohammed Jamal Khalifa of Jeddah, the brother in law of Osama bin Laden. Meanwhile, another group known as the Islamic Benevolence Committee was founded in both Jeddah and Peshawar, Pakistan by Batterjee. The group was a "charity" that openly supported fighters against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolence_International_Foundation
And who was paying Mr al-Bayoumi? Dallah Al-Baraka.
"Al-Bayoumi was assistant to the Director of Finance for Dallah Avco, a DBG company that works with the Saudi aviation authority. The Wall Street Journal has reported that the United States believes the Dallah al-Baraka Bank, another DBG company, was also used by al-Qaeda."
http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/funding_terror/
"The Feds discovered that al-Bayoumi had once claimed to be an employee of Dallah Avco, a Saudi aviation-services company suspected of having ties to Al Qaeda. The firm's owner, Saudi billionaire Saleh Abdullah Kamel, has denied the accusation."
http://www.newsweek.com/id/152640/output/print
"Dallah Al-Baraka, is a Saudi Conglomerate founded and owned by Sheikh Saleh Abdullah Kamel In 1975, Dallah Avco was formed to specialize in the construction, operation and maintenance of airport based projects. Its continued success in winning several contracts with the Saudi Ministry of Defense and Aviation, catapulted the group to grow and diversify extensively."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallah_Al-Baraka
"Sheikh Saleh Abdullah Kamel is a Saudi businessman, chairman and founder of the Dallah al Baraka Group (DBG). He is of also the chairman of the General Council for Islamic Banks. He is estimated to be worth about $2.6 billion. Most of Kamel's business work focus on coded TV channels, trade and civil services."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saleh_Abdullah_Kamel
Sheikh Saleh Abdullah Kamel also helps fund the Saudi Intelligence run group we call today "al Qaeda".
"The "Golden Chain" is a list of purported sponsors of al Qaeda that was seized in March of 2002 raid by Bosnian police authorities of the premises of the Benevolence International Foundation in Sarajevo."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Chain_(al_Qaeda)#Saleh_Abdullah_Kamel
"Adel bin Abdul-Jalil Batterjee is a noted Saudi Arabian businessman and philanthropist, most widely known as the incorporator of the U.S., Canadian, and Saudi Arabian branches of the purported terrorist funding conduit Benevolence International Foundation. Batterjee is free in Saudi Arabia, but is under a worldwide travel ban, financial embargo, and weapons embargo by the UN Committee and a financial embargo the US Department of the Treasury."
"As of 2002 Batterjee was head of the Al Shamal Islamic Bank in Sudan and was one of its largest shareholders. According to a 1996 U.S. State Department factsheet the bank was capitalized with $50 million by Osama bin Laden and other National Islamic Front members. Al-Qaeda members who were funded via this bank included Jamal al-Fadl and Wadih el-Hage."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adel_Batterjee
Are you starting to see how "Al qaeda" is funded and who funds them? Here is someone else who funds them and this will be in the Senate Intelligence report in 30 years when the 28 pages Bush demanded be redacted finally see the light of day......
“About two months after al-Bayoumi began aiding Alhazmi and Almihdhar, NEWSWEEK has learned, al-Bayoumi's wife began receiving regular stipends, often monthly and usually around $2,000, totaling tens of thousands of dollars. The money came in the form of cashier's checks, purchased from Washington's Riggs Bank by Princess Haifa bint Faisal, the daughter of the late King Faisal and wife of Prince Bandar, the Saudi envoy who is a prominent Washington figure and personal friend of the Bush family. The checks were sent to a woman named Majeda Ibrahin Dweikat, who in turn signed over many of them to al-Bayoumi's wife."
"According to then-Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL), who served as a co-chair of the 9/11 Congressional inquiry that preceded the 9/11 Commission, during the period of Alhazmi and Almihdhar’s arrival in the US, Bayoumi had an “unusually large number of telephone calls with Saudi government officials in both Los Angeles and Washington.”
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Page_2_FBI_documents_contradict_Sept._0228...
Princess Haifa bint Faisal also happens to be the sister of the head of Saudi Intelligence at the time.
The 9/11 commission was a coverup. And this is just one of the coverup assignments it had. The 9/11 Commission report said there was no Saudi Arabian assistance to the hijackers and had nothing to do with 9/11.
So you might be asking, why would Saudi Arabia want to attack the U.S.? Well, they probably wouldn't, but an attack in the U.S. can only be stopped by the U.S. and if the people running the Government (PNAC) want an attack in order to carry out their imperialist objectives they have a "great" opportunity. Might even want to get some anthrax cooked up too, in order to help the case for war against Iraq. Since they know Iraq isn't involved in this upcoming "event".
Al Qaeda is a terrorist group run and financed by Intelligence agencies. Does that mean there are not crazy "terrorists"? Yes there is. And Saudi Arabia and the U.S. would love you to join "Al Qaeda" if you fit that description. After all, what's the point of a Military Industrial Complex if you can't use it?
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This is...
One of those things that we could arrest Bush for. If there was true law and order in this country, that's exactly what would happen. Isn't this aiding and abetting?
A criminal charge of aiding and abetting or accessory can usually be brought against anyone who helps in the commission of a crime, though legal distinctions vary by state. A person charged with aiding and abetting or accessory is usually not present when the crime itself is committed, but he or she has knowledge of the crime before or after the fact, and may assist in its commission through advice, actions, or financial support. Depending on the degree of involvement, the offender's participation in the crime may rise to the level of conspiracy.
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Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Submitted by Jon Gold on Sun, 12/21/2008 - 6:15pm.
How embarassing indeed...
Now there are some people who claim to be "truthers" while calling others....such as myself "fake truthers". The reason being is I wont call Prince Bandar a "hologram", I acknowledge his existence and the role he played in this. I am supposed to say "the Jews did it", and refuse to accept the reality of brainwashed religious fanatics. Everyone knows Israel was the main benefactor on the "War on Terror" the traitors in our own government have admitted it (Cheney and Bush) They are not just traitors, but traitors two times over. They want me to forget that Saudi and American Intelligence have a history of working together to manipulate these religious nuts, such as they did against the Russians in the Afghan war that helped bring down the Russian empire. In other words, they are completely clueless and explains why they are no planers and racists, and fall for every piece of disinfo that comes their way. How Embarrassing.
Submitted by jimd3100 on Thu, 04/01/2010 - 5:04pm.
How old is this tactic?
9/11 Archaeology - 2002's "Forbidden Truth"
Submitted by gretavo on Wed, 2008-02-27 02:15.
I remember getting this book when it came out and thinking I'd discovered these amazing facts. Ha! How silly I look in hindsight! See where a lot of the LIHOPPERS came from?
-Gret (taken over by rich-text! edit: no longer)
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"The Forbidden Truth" tells you what really happened, July 11, 2002
By John J Emerson (Portland, OR United States) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Forbidden Truth: U.S.-Taliban Secret Oil Diplomacy, Saudi Arabia and the Failed Search for bin Laden (Paperback)
First of all, this is the GOOD French book on 9/11. (The OTHER French book on 9/11 you hear people talking about is the same old conspiracy theory stuff. Dasquie and Brisard are well-respected professionals and completely mainstream.
When 9/11 took place the American response was dominated by rage and disbelief: how could anyone ever do something like that to us? Suggestions that we figure out why it happened were automatically slapped down, as if even asking the question would give legitimacy to the attackers.
It's quite normal to have inquiries whenever a disaster takes place, so someone must have had something to hide. This book tells you who they were and what it was.
The United States was negotiating with the Taliban right into September of 2001. What was at issue was an oil pipeline across Afghanistan, and the options we offered them were two: cooperate with us on the pipeline, or war. When negotiations broke down, Osama Bin Laden (a U.S. ally only a decade earlier in the anti-Soviet war, and a major force in Afghanistan)struck first. Once we were at war with the Taliban, they became unspeakably evil; but as long as it seemed that they might be willing to play ball, we had no problem with them.
The role of Saudi Arabia in this story is a second major theme. Most of the hijackers were Saudis and the funding came from Saudi Arabia and the neighboring Gulf States. Furthermore, some of Bin Laden's support, contrary to what we have been told, came from very high levels in Saudi society. Saudi Arabia has long been a major source of funds for Muslim extremists globally, and the see-no-evil complicity in this of the U.S. government and the oil industry cannot be denied. While this book in no way claims that the CIA (much less the Mossad) had a hand in the 9/11 attacks, it makes it clear that excessively indulgent attitudes to the Saudis at very high levels of the US government led to extreme negligence and made the terrorists' job much easier.
Saudi Arabia is not on the list of ten or more terrorist nations which we plan to attack. After reading this book, you will ask why not.
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The ugly world of realpolitik is exposed, July 25, 2002
By Malvin (Frederick, MD USA) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Forbidden Truth: U.S.-Taliban Secret Oil Diplomacy, Saudi Arabia and the Failed Search for bin Laden (Paperback)
Brisard and Dasquie's "Forbidden Truth" is a very solid piece of research that contains more than a few surprises about the realpolitiks of the Middle East, especially as it pertains to the United States and Saudi Arabia. The book turns a number of received wisdoms on their head and should give everyone concerned about the war on terror a few things to think about.
Of course, the authors show that fossil fuels drives American policy in the region. The Clinton and Bush administrations both negotiated with the Taliban for the construction of a natural gas pipeline to be built in Afghan territory despite clear-cut evidence of the regime's human rights abuses. However, the book also makes the eye-popping suggestion that U.S. representatives may have recklessly threatened the Taliban prior to the September 11 attack, thereby provoking Al Qaeda into action.
Basically, Brisard and Dasquie explain that Saudi Arabia supports radical Islamic movements (including the Taliban, Al Qaeda and Usama Bin Laden) in order to extend its hegemony over the area. Saudi support of the Taliban, for example, helped keep Afghanistan from falling under Iranian influence. Interestingly, the authors point out that the first arrest warrant ever issued against Usama Bin Laden came not from the U.S. -- which wanted to overlook Usama's behavior in order to keep Saudi oil flowing -- but from Libya.
I must admit that all of this came as quite a surprise to me, since Saudi Arabia has always been portrayed as a staunch ally of the U.S. In fact, Brisard and Dasquie recall how U.S. oil companies helped the country develop, but they also show that the Kingdom remains dependent on religion to maintain control over its people. So the country is practically schizophrenic in its need to simultaneously maintain business ties with the U.S. and defend against the spread of Arab nationalism by covertly preaching the gospel of anti-Americanism.
The authors go into considerable detail illuminating the people, organizations and financial relationships that make the Saudi-supported terror network possible. The indictments reach the highest levels of Saudi society. In this light, it appears that Usama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda simply spun out of their master's control and took the anti-American cause too far.
All this should give us pause to consider why the U.S. allowed the Saudis to play such a dangerous game for so long. Also, one would think that prudence should compel the U.S. to develop an energy policy that does not depend on Middle Eastern oil. But already, Brisard and Dasquie report that talks for the pipeline have resumed since the installation of the Karzai regime in Afghanistan in May 2002.
On a technical note, the book could benefit from additional editorial work to correct a few grammatical errors (presumably due to the translation from French to English?) and several footnote mistakes. Stylistically, the author's research sometimes makes for dry reading, but that is only because the facts have been meticulously documented and presented. So although "Forbidden Truth" is at times far from entertaining, the reader is nevertheless impressed with the professionalism of the research and its air-tight conclusions. (Indeed, sensing the threat that the book poses to its business empire, the Bin Laden family succeeded in getting the book banned in Switzerland.)
"Forbidden Truth" is recommended for anyone who wants to gain a better understanding of the dynamics underlying the war on terror.
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Horrifying! But Sadly Not Surprising..., October 8, 2002
By Anthony Ian "anthony_ian" (Chicago, IL United States) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Forbidden Truth: U.S.-Taliban Secret Oil Diplomacy, Saudi Arabia and the Failed Search for bin Laden (Paperback)
In a nutshell, this book outlines how we've looked the other way regarding Islamic terror for decades because it inconvenienced oil deals. No big surprise, although you may still be shocked at the calculated cynicism and the cold-blooded capitalism.
We may have bombed Afghanistan after 9/11, but you'll be shocked to learn that prior to 9/11 we actually tacitly supported the Taliban--because we wanted a stable regime there to allow for the construction of a lucrative pipeline through the country. We'd eventually sour on the Taliban as their abuses became world news, but we gave them plenty of money year after year.
Other sad tales involve our continuing "friendship" with Saudi Arabia--again, based on oil money--which seems absurd considering their status as the #1 exporter of Islamic terrorism, including the majority of the 9/11 hijackers.
Also interesting is how deeply the White House is staffed with big oil veterans--everybody knows about Bush and Cheney's oil gigs, but who knew Condoleeza Rice was a decade-long employee of the oil industry?
This book presents a pretty sobering reality about what our priorties have been over the years--most of them have taken a back seat to big oil profits, even post 9/11. Many conservative (meaning: Bush supporters) readers will probably dismiss this book because of its stark, unflattering portrayal of our government and its principals--those of us who are a little more questioning will still be appalled at how callous our policies have become... in the name of oil profits.
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