Is Blackwater the Fall Guy/Scapegoat for Mossad in Pakistan?

It's time to triangulate, folks! That's where we look at two sides of an issue as presented by fake truthers to figure out the third point in the triangle, i.e. the truth that is being concealed.
I'm pasting below a blog entry at 911Blogger by one of the "enemies of our enemy", the user bbruhwiler, who has posted a reprint of a blog entry from someone going by Saad Ali (muslim, must be on our side!) at We Are Change Chicago. Now, We Are Change is surely full of fine activists who may not be aware that the brand is probably a psy-op founded by Luke Rudkowski who is currently touring Australia with fake truther extraordinaire "Cosmos", founder of fake truth site Truth Action (and who claims he lost an uncle on the fake flight 93). My point of course is that content on any of these sites must be looked at carefully for signs that it is being produced not by the genuine activists caught up in the psy-op but by its hidden leaders.
This particular post is intended to appeal to those of us who feel that likely fake truther Jon Gold, for example, likes to "blame Pakistan" or "support the myth of Islamofascism." This post seems to exonerate Pakistan by attributing the recent spate of bombings there to Blackwater. Oh, they mention the intel agencies of several countries including India and Israel, but the focus is the evil Blackwater, which thanks to the fake left alterna-press like Alternet we now know is evil incarnate. Mercenary companies certainly are evil, imo, but just like Jihadis, just because they are bad doesn't mean they are guilty of everything they are conveniently accused of. But hey, who wants to look like they're defending terrorists, or evil christian fundie mercenaries, right? So if you're going to shift the blame for something, say, Mossad did, you try to find the most unsympathetic bastards to blame it on. Like Dubya. Bin Laden. Or Blackwater.
So here we go folks, the limited hangout explanation for the destabilization of Pakistan. Not hard to see why Israel likes to keep the U.S. around its neighborhood--those American chumps make great scapegoats!
Pakistan Uncovered
blackwater | China | false flag operations | Obama | Pakistan | Saad Ali | WeAreChangeChicago
Original Article
By: Saad Ali
Pakistan has been labeled the most dangerous country in the world, (a safe haven for terrorists). The leaders of our country are eager to invade and the mainstream media is working tirelessly to create the fear that will allow them do so. The fact that only six corporations dominate our major media outlets, it’s obvious that our information sources serve the interests of the controlling. For that reason, I set out on a trip to Pakistan to find out what is actually going on in that country. What I discovered shocked me.
The first stop of my trip was Islamabad, Pakistan, the nation’s capital. Islamabad has been victim to many suicide attacks in recent years. Thousands of people have been murdered by the hands of the terrorists, aka Blackwater. Blackwater has been confirmed by former CIA officials to having over 3,000 operatives present throughout the country. Pakistan’s International News reported on the increasing suspicious movement of foreigners in Peshawar, Pakistan. A local resident stated, “What we have been hearing about the presence of Blackwater or other suspicious foreigners in Peshawar and Pakistan is alarming.” Investigative Journalist, Wayne Madsen, in a Russia Today interview stated, “I’ve been told by private military contract sources that a former British SAS officer is basically putting ads in local newspapers in Pakistan looking to rent compounds for this influx of private military contractors.” Madsen also talked about how three former Pakistani generals have been giving speeches, stating that private military contractors are present in Islamabad and Peshawar.
We all know about the ruthless killings of countless innocent civilians Blackwater is responsible for in Iraq and Afghanistan. These murderers are loyal to nothing but a paycheck, and their presence in Pakistan has angered many. I set out to find where I can find these mercenaries, and what their agenda is in Pakistan. By talking to different independent media outlets I was able to locate the area which has been allotted to Blackwater mercenaries in Islamabad (In case you’re wondering, they stay in the F-7 region.) Now it’s not easy getting close to the area because security is extremely tight. Driving by was about as close as I could get.
However, talking to different people about Blackwater and their agenda opened a lot of doors for me. The US can’t invade Pakistan without a reason. Blackwater USA has been contracted to destabilize the country and pave a reason to invade. Along with Blackwater, intelligence agencies CIA, Mossad, and Raw have been reported to be working in Pakistan as well. Now you’re probably questioning, how would Blackwater and these agencies destabilize Pakistan? Well they are playing with the ‘terror’ card, like they did in Iraq and Afghanistan. Who is really behind these suicide bombings that occur on a daily basis in Pakistan? In order to answer this, let’s look at the facts.
On September 20, 2008 a dump truck filled with explosives detonated in front of the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad, killing 54 and wounding 266. The media fed us the usual ‘terrorist attack’ story, like they did on 9/11. But according to a report by Tariq But of the Saudi Gazette, witnesses said that Marines unloaded a US embassy truckload of steel boxes and shifted them inside the Marriott Hotel on Wednesday, three days before the bombing. It was a high-security operation carried out with both the main gates of the hotel closed. Only the US Marines could approach the truck to unload the steel boxes and shift them inside the hotel. Hotel sources said the boxes were not passed through the scanners installed at the entrance of the lobby and were shifted to the fourth and fifth floors of the Marriott.
Incidents like the Marriott Hotel bombing occur on a daily basis in Pakistan. Circumstantial evidence proves the fact that Blackwater and other intelligence agencies are heavily involved in these bombings, and are using them to destabilize the country and create a scare by pointing the blame to the so called ‘extremists.’ Recently, Peshawar was victim to a devastating bomb blast in which 117 innocent Pakistani’s were killed. Local news agency NNI has reported that Hakimullah Mehsud, the Chief of the Pakistani- Pashtun Movement in Pakistan, has blamed Blackwater for the bomb blast. Mehsud claimed that “Blackwater and Pakistani agencies are involved in attacks in public places to [maliciously] blame the militants.”
Blackwater and other intelligence agencies are playing their cards differently throughout the country. In some parts, including Islamabad, they created a war between the militants and the government. In others, however, we see a war between Shi’ites and Sunnis. This topic takes me to my next stop, Dera Ismail Khan, Pakistan. This city has seen more bomb blasts than any other city in the country. Over 4,000 people have been killed in the last few years. As I entered the city I was in complete shock from what I saw. What was once a peaceful, growing city was now a chaotic police state. The military roamed the streets fully armed with machine guns and tanks. Soldiers with AK-47’s were stationed on every corner of the city. All schools and universities were shut down, and we were living under a curfew. I had to watch my back 24/7 with the worry that a bomb could explode, or someone, out of nowhere, would start shooting innocent people.
Most days, while reporting, people would tell me to go home and stay safe; there has been a bomb threat. I could sense the tension between the Sunnis and the Shi’ites everywhere I went. Many sources told me that a war was created between the two sects. What confused me was that Sunni’s and Shi’ites have lived in Pakistan for decades, and have never fought like this. Why have they begun to kill each other now? I spoke with Sunni and Shi’ite leaders, and both agreed that a third party is involved.
Immediately, I thought of Blackwater’s involvement in the Sunni/Shiite war in Iraq. I then spoke with local media outlets and party leaders about Blackwater, and like I had predicted, they confirmed their presence. Blackwater is out there buying and recruiting terrorists. According to locals I spoke with, Blackwater is recruiting by offering money to poverty stricken individuals for carrying out missions. These recruits are completely blind to what they will commit. For example, a paid recruit could be assigned to deliver a package, that package would then automatically detonate along the way, successfully completing the mission. I spoke with former members of the Taliban, and they said, “These bomb blasts are not the work of Muslims willingly killing themselves along with hundreds of brothers, sisters, and children. Pakistan has been stained with bloodshed by the hands of Blackwater, Mossad, CIA, and Raw.”
The reason we have not heard much about Blackwater in Pakistan, is because journalists in the country are being silenced for speaking out. A recent example of this is that of Dr. Shireen Mazari, a respected journalist for The News and a defense analyst. Two months back, Dr. Mazari’s weekly column was censored when she exposed the presence of Blackwater mercenaries in Pakistan. According to Crescent Online, US Ambassador to Pakistan, Anne Patterson, accused Dr. Mazari of spreading “wildly incorrect” information that had “compromised the security of Americans.” I spoke with a journalist (for security purposes, he wished to remain anonymous) in Islamabad, Pakistan, about why journalists are being silenced. He said, “Saying the word ‘Blackwater’ is a crime for journalists, there is no code of conduct, they’ll either kill you or your family, it’s that simple.” He told me how Blackwater has supreme authority in Pakistan, because of the corrupt government. The so called ‘democratic’ government of Pakistan has been sold to the interests of the New World Order. There is no law or order coming from Islamabad. The politicians, the media, and the military officials are puppets being pulled by President Obama and his handlers.
President Obama once said, “I have great respect for the Pakistani people.” Murdering over 800 reported innocent Pakistani men, women, and children Mr. President is not respect. The media jumped all over the fact that we successfully killed leading Taliban militant, Baitullah Mehsud, but barely touched on the hundreds murdered along the way. D.I. Khan is now home to many of the surviving refugees from Waziristan. I had the opportunity to speak with these individuals about their situation and feelings towards this heinous crime. Hamid Abdullah, a refugee barely surviving, lost his wife and children in the attacks. In his native tongue, Pashto, he said, “America has been ruthless to us, they have killed our families and we have nothing left, but our faith in Allah. Obama believes his plan will succeed, however, in the words of the Holy Qur’an, Although they plan, Allah also plans. And Allah is the Best of Planners.” Abdullah and others currently live in refugee camps whose conditions are the worst of the worst.
What is the real reason behind this agenda to deteriorate Pakistan? In order to put the puzzle pieces together, let’s start by looking at what the media and our leaders are feeding us. To start off, PNAC signer, Richard Holbrooke, has urged the absolute necessity for passing the Kerry-Lugar bill, the 5 year $1.5 billion aid package given to Pakistan to help fight the so called “war on terror”. Furthermore, an article from the Huffington Post, reports that advisors to President Obama’s administration say their worst security nightmare is the possibility that Pakistan — a nuclear-armed country — might fall under the control of Al-Qaeda militants. Lastly, PNAC contributor Henry Sokolski, in an article, implies that Pakistani-Chinese relations pose a threat to the world, and that something must be done to suppress it. Further investigating these assumptions reveals a far larger picture from what they are showing us.
The Kerry-Lugar bill drafted by Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman John Kerry and ranking Republican Richard Lugar, authorizes a grant of $1.5 billion annually for 5 years. The bill explicitly and falsely states that “Pakistan has been a nuclear proliferator; and that parts of its territories are safe havens for terrorist networks.” The bill gives President Obama the power to “develop a comprehensive interagency regional security strategy to eliminate terrorist threats and close safe havens in Pakistan, by working with the government of Pakistan — to best implement effective counterinsurgency and counterterrorism efforts in and near the border areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan, including the FATA, the NWFP, parts of Balochistan and parts of Punjab.” In other words, the President of the United States’ power has now been extended to the different provinces of Pakistan. He may now make decisions for not only the US, but also for the sovereign state of Pakistan. The Kerry-Lugar bill will successfully end Pakistan’s sovereignty. The people are very angered by it, in fact it is known in Pakistan as the “document of surrender.”
Pakistan is one of the few sovereign nations with nuclear power and it has been increasingly evident that the globalists wish to suppress it. The media has created this false scare among the American public that the so called “terrorists” are living freely in Pakistan, and they will overthrow the deteriorating government and establish Pakistan as a state sponsor of terrorism. So therefore, America must invade Pakistan, and stabilize the situation, before the ‘terrorists’ get their hands on the nuclear weapons. An example of this would be Fredrick W. Kagen’s article for the New York Times, he writes, “As the government of Pakistan totters, we must face a fact: The United States simply could not stand by as a nuclear-armed Pakistan descended into the abyss.” The fact of the matter is, Pakistan is suffering the effects of a U.S. led war. Why invade a sovereign country that has neither threatened nor attacked the United States?
The next threat to the agenda for the New World Order lies behind the growth of Pakistani and Chinese relations. In order for China to sustain its status as the emerging economic superpower, it must take all the necessary steps required in order to have sufficient energy resources for the near future. According to Pakistani think tank, BrassTacks, Chinese interests in the Indian Ocean became visible in 2002, when they invested heavily and began work on the Gwadar Port, located in Baluchestan, a province of Pakistan. The Gwadar Port has its benefits for both Pakistan and China. According to Abdus Sattar Ghazali, executive editor for American Muslim Perspective, “The cost benefits to China of using Gwadar as the port for western China’s imports and exports are as evident as the long-term economic benefits to Pakistan of Gwadar becoming a port for Chinese goods.” Not only does Gwadar enable China to fulfill its energy needs, but it will also provide a strategic military footprint in the Arabian Sea, which has the United States worried.
In order to halt this, the globalists need to block China’s access to the Arabian Sea by way of Gwadar. According to BrassTacks, to do this, “there needs to be a ‘new Pakistan’ as indicated in Operation Enduring Turmoil.” Operation Enduring Turmoil is PNAC’s plan to disassemble Pakistan into three parts. According to a “game plan” drawn out by Lt. Col. Ralph Peters, in a 2006 article of the Armed Forces Journal, “Pakistan’s Northwest Frontier tribes would be reunited with their Afghan brethren [and] would also lose its Baluch territory to Free Baluchistan. The remaining ‘natural’ Pakistan would lie entirely east of the Indus, except for a westward spur near Karachi.” With this done, what was once the NWFP, a province of Pakistan, is now part of Afghanistan, and what was once Baluchistan, a province of Pakistan, is now its own state, Free Baluchistan. This would force China to impossibly go through Afghanistan and Free Baluchistan in order to reach the Arabian Sea. Such an arrangement would cut China’s route to the Arabian Sea. See the map below for a detailed summary of the plan.
Pakistan has become a product of the New World Order. The agenda has been outlined, and is in effect as we speak. The country has been invaded from all ends and the people have been silenced. My trip to Pakistan answered so many questions I had about the region. Seeing the destruction of Pakistan with my own eyes really blew me away. I realize that after Pakistan, they will move along to another region and continue their plan for a New World Order. What we see happen in these countries will very well happen here in America, some of which we have already seen. The destruction of these countries are not only accomplishing an agenda, but are also being used as testing grounds. We need to get out there and expose the New World Order agenda before it is too late. I hope my report answered questions that you might have had, and gave you a broader scope on what is actually going on in Pakistan. Keep fighting the New World Order and may god be with us all.
Operation enduring turmoil
.wfew
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I agree with your analysis that this article could be
scapegoating Blackwater for these false flag attacks that are more likely the work of Mossad. That makes total sense. But I think you go too far in accusing Bruno "bbruhwiler" of WeAreChangeLA as being in on the deception. From my personal correspondance with Bruno, and from my observations of his contributions to the truth movement, I am convinced that he is a legitimate truth activist. He has written and forwarded pleny about Israeli and Zionist involvement in 9/11.
i don't accuse, only voice suspicion
and frankly I put little stock in the idea that people MUST be sincere because of all the [insert credibility capital building content here] they have discussed in the past. you're perfectly entitled to be convinced of people's legitimacy, Keenan, but I have to point out that yours is a faith-based argument. bruno's and others' actions on the obvious psy-op 911blogger.com are consistent with ostensible diversity masking actual uniformity, the bread and butter of manufacturing consensus. this is beyond obvious to me at this point--others may disagree, that's fine!
So are you suspecting Bruno of being part of
the psy-op of manufacturing consensus on 911blogger based on this single article that he copied and posted? Is every single member of 911blogger part of this psy-op?
Is that an honest question?
"Is every single member of 911blogger part of this psy-op?"
Or is it a bit of reductio ad absurdum to make a "rebunker-like" point? I mean it sounds like you're asking OH SO IS EVERYONE IN ON THIS CONSPIRACY OF YOURS? It's also an appeal to incredulity--Gret, do you REALLY BELIEVE someone like Bruno is in on the shenanigans at 911Blogger? I expect better from you K! To answer the question though, no. I do not believe that Graeme MacQueen, aka 911Satya, is in on it. Happy? :)
God, it's like...
...I have to say what I think "honest" people at 911Blogger should be posting for me to believe they're honest, then when they post it and I bring up another problem I get scolded for not "frikkin having faith already". Well fine, let's play that game. Since I'm banned at 911Blogger and have no interest in crawling back to ask for an account under an assumed name, it will be interesting to see if anyone takes Jon Gold to task for omitting to mention that the Federal Judge from the Southern District Court of New York (including Manhattan) who is likely to get the KSM trial is the same Alvin Hellerstein who has presided over most 9/11-related tort cases and is an uber-Zionist who along with Larry Silverstein and Lewis Eisenberg (who headed the Port Authority when it was leased to Lucky Larry) is a member of the pro-Israel United Jewish Appeal. Can one of the lurkers pass that on to their handlers for approval? I swear that if that happens I will declare eternal allegiance to the "good guys" at 911WWEBlogger.com! I'll even start attending those local 9/11 truth meetings you all seem so keen to have me start attending! FFS...
Ok, let me rephrase it then...
Is there anything else Bruno has done besides posting this one article about Blackwater that has given you reason to suspect him being part of the shenanigans?
you mean...
...how can Bruno become a more convincing operative? I really don't have time to go through all his posts to do that, sorry. I have an idea, though. If someone who knows who the real perps are wants to come clean and tell me the whole story, exactly what's going on, who did what, and do it totally honestly without trying to feed me another line of total BS as if I was some kind of moron, then I might consider, for a generous salary, serving as a consultant helping them achieve a "soft-landing" that exposes the true criminals while avoiding all manner of hate, violence, and retribution that they are otherwise seemingly doing everything they can to foment. In fact, I'm doing that for free right now without knowing who exactly the real perps are, and I don't think for one second that any honest person will be taking me up on my offer anytime this century.
But again, to answer your question in a more straightforward manner, let's suppose Bruno had up until now been the model of real truthiness. Would that change how I feel about a story scapegoating Blackwater for the violence in Pakistan? No. Because Blackwater has been villified by the fake left like Alternet and as bad as they are they are probably not nearly as bad as Mossad, which Alternet does NOT out. Do I KNOW that Bruno is an operative? No. Do I suspect he IS an operative? Haven't given it enough thought. Do I know he COULD BE an operative? Yes, I KNOW he COULD BE an operative. And so do you, Keenan, you know he COULD BE one too, don't pretend.
Well, of course he COULD be, anybody COULD be,
including me, you, anyone and everyone. But that is not the point, which I'm surprised you aren't getting. I'm not denying the POSSIBILITY that someone (anyone) could be an operative. I'm not pretending to not understand anything of the sort.
"Would that change how I feel about a story scapegoating Blackwater for the violence in Pakistan?"
But the issue is not how you feel about the story scapegoating Blackwater. I'm quite clear that you have good reason to call BS on the spin in that article. Obviously, the issue I was discussing was Bruno, not the article.
"you mean...
...how can Bruno become a more convincing operative?"
No, I mean exactly what I asked, no hidden meanings.
I don't know, we seem to be having trouble even agreeing on what point or issue is at issue here...this is getting frustrating...
What's up with the straw man arguments you keep throwing my way. I expect better from you, G.
Keenan, where did I say...
that I thought Bruno was an operative? He could well be an honest guy who thinks this is a great story to repost, that's not the point at all. How many times in this movement do we have to repeat that what is importnat is not personalities but information? The information is dubiously sourced and fits in with a potential alternative narrative that may be serving to shield Mossad by scapegoating Blackwater. Why do you insist on making it about what I MIGHT be insinuating about some anonymous internet screen name? I mean, you're welcome to, and I will tell you what I think, but I also reserve the right to get snarky in my responses. I'm sorry if bruno is your friend and I have offended you by suggesting he may be dishonest--but surely we agree that on the whole 911Blogger is not what it purports to be, can't we?
New World What Now?
That this writer casts his analysis in terms of the New World Order and the possibility that "it could happen here" if the "globalists" can work out the kinks in Asia (what would that even mean?) triggers immediate whoop whoop whoops of alarm in me. That bruno seems to associate most closely with We Are Change and its anti-NWO framing of the post-911 crisis has always raised one of my eyebrows, even though I like many of his posts very much. I can see why gretavo would immediately "go there" based on these two things alone, frankly -- it's nothing personal against bruno. It's just nothing personal, period.
But speaking of personal, I have PERSONALLY been manipulated by people in the truth movement with whom I have interacted IN PERSON. I chatted on the phone with cosmos a few times. I was on a friendly basis with Jon Gold way back in the day. I met BOTH of them in person at the Arizona conference, where they attempted to convince me that Real Truther was an asshole/agent. I found this very perplexing at the time since NONE of us knew RT in person and I found myself agreeing with him more and more frequently on matters of 9/11 truth. But I was interacting with them PERSONALLY so they had to be sincere, right? Of course not. In retrospect it seems very likely to me that they had a little tag-team charade going, trying to knock one of the most vocal supports (me) out from under RT, who was really coming into his own as a discourse-shaper at blogger. They had a complementary two part shtick (in effect, if not in full consciousness). Cosmos was emotionally needy and required support instead of arguments on the issues. Gold offered a conditional friendship and escalating threats to distance myself from RT and knock it off already with the criticism of Israel, which he also found "upsetting." It may be hard to accept, but this kind of manipulation works best on the up close and personal level. What it taught me was that there is NO level of personal engagement that should put an end to critical thinking with regard to what someone says and does. (Also, that someone asking you to trust them or accept what they say as valid BECAUSE of a personal connection is a big, flapping red flag.)
So anyway, the article is problematic and the fact that bruno reposted it shifts some of the "problem" onto his shoulders or internet identity. In that context, gretavo has elaborated on a hypothetical bad-faith motivation for bruno. That kind of speculation is what gretavo does and I've been subjected to it myself. Demonstrating that you can take it gracefully (and dish it out back in gretavo's direction as appropriate) tends to build credibility in my mind whereas strenuous, indignant objection has many times in the past been a prelude to some more obvious fake-truthy manipulation.
We have a responsibility to keep each other honest, for our own sakes and the sake of the movement as a whole. The way we do this is by critiquing what we each say and do online objectively and making a principled decision to keep personal connection (as a get-out-of-critique-free card) out of the equation.
And bwahahaha, the debate
at blogger has now been shifted to Is Blackwater Really in Pakistan? Let's spend as much time as we need arguing that one, kthx.
interesting background info, Casseia
Thank you for sharing, and I can totally relate. Not to fall prey to manipulation and influence just because we meet or know some reknowned on a PERSONAL level requires IMPERSONAL insight and moral fortitude. God grant grace and strength for all sincere truth-and-justice individuals in this regard~~~
funny, but for some reason i thought you were an old schoolmate/girlfriend of RT's! haha! k
All good points, Casseia
"That kind of speculation is what gretavo does and I've been subjected to it myself. Demonstrating that you can take it gracefully (and dish it out back in gretavo's direction as appropriate) tends to build credibility in my mind whereas strenuous, indignant objection has many times in the past been a prelude to some more obvious fake-truthy manipulation."
I hope you are not insinuating that I've been demonstrating "strenuous, indignant objection"? I was simply asking what Gretavo's basis of suspicion was, and he seemed to have difficulty being pinned down on that, with his constant subject shifting and straw man arguments.
"We have a responsibility to keep each other honest, for our own sakes and the sake of the movement as a whole. The way we do this is by critiquing what we each say and do online objectively and making a principled decision to keep personal connection (as a get-out-of-critique-free card) out of the equation."
Sure, I'll agree with that, and I certainly was not using personal connection as a "get-out-of-critique-free card". My point was that my totality of experience and observation of Bruno, including my personal correspondence with him, not because of my personal correspondence with him, led me to be satisfied up to now that he was on the up and up.
Anyway, it's all good. As I mentioned just yesterday, rancorous disagreement is something to be expected on this site and I've got thick enough skin to deal with that or I wouldn't be here :>)
As long as we can deal with the occasional misunderstandings that come along with rancorous disagreements with each other without it becoming too personal...I try to take things in stride and am very forgiving, especially with people I regard as my allies, as with the regulars here...
Yes, to be clear
I didn't really have you in mind when I was thinking of the indignant denials. And it's also true that some people handle gretavo's level of cynicism with aplomb and THEN go on to the heart-string-twanging fake truthery modus operandi.
Probably the last paragraph in my post is the best part to focus on. I find that that level of "mistrust" -- or really, the idea that no level of personal engagement warrants a standing-down of objective criticism -- simplifies matters greatly.
I can't disagree with that...
so I won't. Casseia, I continue to be blown away by your mastery of Discourse Analysis coupled with your fantastic writing ability. I don't think I've ever encountered anyone else as good as you are at Discourse Analysis. Did you finish your degree at the top of your class with honors, or something along those lines?
no hard feelings, Keenan!
it's called a struggle for a reason...
amazing how KSM has changed his appearance...
...to look as much like bin laden as possible for his upcoming showdown with Judge Hellerstein!
Photo purporting to show Khalid Sheik Mohammed in detention at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. (AP)
He's should Just for Men
the beard, though. That much gray really diminishes your vibrant, vigorous jihadi cred. Osama already figured that out.
"Osama already figured that out."
LOL! I just got the joke. Yea, that last fake video of Osama made him look more like a vibrant, vigorous jihadi for some reason. That's hilarious. Thanks, Cass.
"Cosmos", founder of fake
"Cosmos", founder of fake truth site Truth Action (and who claims he lost an uncle on the fake flight 93)."
The more I think about that claim of Cosmos' losing an uncle on the fake flight 93, the more I see a big red flag. Has anybody talked to Cosmos about this supposed uncle in detail, and about the alleged flt 93, victims compensation, etc.? Inquiring minds would like to know...It really makes one wonder if Cosmos was controlled opposition right from the get go.
Gretavo, it's great to have such an unusually skeptical mind as yours on our side. Even though it can often offend or be unsettling, it has nevertheless proved to be extremely valuable for us innumerable times and will continue to do so.
Funny, I was just thinking about this again...
What I heard at one point was that by "uncle" he meant "family friend."
The article is getting a lot
The article is getting a lot of skeptical feedback even at 911b, and the original article seems to have been pulled from the We Are Change Chicago website.
http://www.wearechangechicago.com/pakistan-uncovered.html#more-38
The article is still there (back up?)
at We Are Change Chicago website. Yea the whole NWO spin and reference to god at the end of the article is very Alex Jonesian and very annoying. It amazes me how many people are willing to align themselves with a "leader" such as Alex Jones who usually does not even share their ideology, what with Jones' right wing anti-progressive, xenophobic, bigoted, and "Christian" agenda, just because Jones says the right things about the bogus war on terror and government repression and ostensibly is the protector of your civil liberties. But with his ridiculous NWO spin on everything, he lets the real perpetrators escape scrutiny. It's unfortunate the We Are Change is so closely associated with Alex Jones, because WeAreChange has done so much for the movement and consists of so many motivated and genuine truth activists.
I wish the WeAreChange folks would understand how divisive Jones is and how much he turns off and alienates so many potential allies to the truth movement and makes us look like wing nuts. Perhaps that is by design?
Blackwater? Who knows? It seems possible that Blackwater and the US special forces, as well as other entities could have contracted with Mossad to do at least some of the dirty work for them in order for the Mossad to hang back at a safer distance. Regardless, we can all agree that they are false flag attacks designed and planned by Mossad and possibly CIA, MI6 as well, and not by the "islamofascist menace" that the attacks are designed to make people assume.
i think we are just
fucked.
and maybe we need to stop microanalysizing and come to a consensus. Gretavo has his angle, and so do others. where and how do we want to focus?
good topic for a poll
"we need to stop microanalysizing and come to a consensus."
We do?
"where and how do we want to focus?"
Focus for what purpose?
posted very late, sorry peeps
the "fucked" was a twinge of hopelessness.
the "we" was an attempt to be all-embracing, which with the light of day i realize is impossible.
the "focus" was was for the purpose of unifying ...the pentagon discourse i found exhausting, albeit necessary.
seeking renewal. k
Saad Ali responds to criticism on Blogger
Bruno posted a response by Saad Ali to the Blogger thread:
http://www.911blogger.com/node/21841#comment-221741
Reply from Saad
Hey Bruno,
Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I dont have an account with 9/11 blogger, so i will give you a response to what i read below, could you forward it to the site?
J Bax:
"I was in Pakistan for 3 months last summer/autumn (during the Marriott bombing). First and foremost, Pakistanis are the MOST polite and friendliest people I ever met. No argument could sway me on this. Been a lot of places, but they are the tops. So to see the mess they are in is really really sad.
I was there not as a reporter nor businessman nor diplomat. I went on vacation... with my wife. We were backpackers. We traveled throughout the country, with neither guide, security, or in expensive hotels. We rode local buses, stayed in the cheapest accommodations we could find and usually ate street food. Again, the welcome we got was extrordinary in every sense of the word, and we were constantly invited to people's homes, out to tea, and even had things regularly given to us free. We even spent a week with a group we met at a mosque going on pilgrimage to a holy place about 24hours away by bus. (BTW, neither me or my wife is Muslim and they knew that, as well as the fact that I'm American) Under the word "hospitable" in the next edition of the Oxford dictionary, I would expect to see "see: Pakistani" as a suitable definition."
First, Thanks for your response and feedback. I am glad that you went to Pakistan and saw first hand how the people are. They are extremely kind and hospitable. This was my 4th trip to Pakistan in the past 10 years, I am Pakistani myself, and i try to go whenever i can.
"I take any reporting in the country with immediate pause. As the place is considered "most dangerous in the world" anyone with a official/business-related visit MUST stay in the swankest hotels, have a car and driver (possibly bodyguard too), and is not allowed to even eat in a regular restaurant, Their insurance won't allow it. Actually, we met a couple guys from the US and British embassies who had to "sneak out" of the 5star hotel they were suppose to be staying in in Lahore so that they could go see the concert we met them at. They gave us the scoop how, for insurance reasons, free movement was banned for all diplomats. This holds the same for most western journalists. So for this reason alone, any "reporting" will not truly reflect the "real" Pakistan"
Pakistan has been made the most dangerous country in the world by the work of CIA, Blackwater, Mossad, Raw and NWO Pundits. Guys from US and British embassies are being protected? A diplomat told you this at a concert you went to? They gave you the scoop how, for insurance reasons, free movement was banned?
Free movement or No free movement, journalists, diplomats, or "guys from embassies" sent to Paksitan aren't there to report on the truth or to look for the truth. The ones sent are hand picked and are all puppets for the same agenda, and they are there for nothing more than maybe a photo op or some garbage story about the Taliban plotting to destroy the world. Taliban and Al Qaeda are NOT the threat in Pakistan, according to PUBLIC opinion, officials, generals, the list goes on. The only threat in Pakistan is CIA, Blackwater, Mossad, Raw and other agencies out to destroy the country. Reporting done by Investigative journalist Wayne Madsen, Russia Today, and security consultant Zaid Hamid, to name a few, prove that blackwater is working to destroy Pakistan. There are former Pakistani generals and officials who have proved this as well according to Pakistani think tank Brass Tacks. Diplomats MUST stay in the swankest hotels, have a car and a driver with a bodyguard, cant go to a restaurant or leave the hotel; sounds like they put on a great show for these individuals. Another great way to instill fear to the rest of the world.
Honestly, i wouldn't consider myself a western journalist trying to find out the truth, I am a Pakistani trying to find out the truth. Anything coming from a mainstream western journalist is flawed. Finding the truth about what is going on in Pakistan, requires connections, something that western journalists don't have or could care less about b/c their script was written before they even hopped on a plane to Pakistan.
"Yes, when we got to Peshawar, stories like the author says above regarding the Mariott bombing (with US marines) were all over the place. True? I can't say, but they were indeed rampant. However, what was true was the utter frustration regarding the cross-boarder drone bombings (no mistaking who that was). Essentially, nobody trusts the media there, and for good reason. Aside from an obvious slant which paints their country as horrible (and therefore the people as evil, fundamental, psychotic, and anti-American), we also met some guys who were "hired" by CNN to act like Taliban back in 2001. (I doubted them until we watched their video together- nothing special, these guys just stood there as the reporter claimed that they were indeed Taliban)"
There are countless proven stories like that of the Marriot Bombing (with US Marines), that have surfaced not only in Peshawar, but all throughout Pakistan. If you actually visit damaged areas and talk to the people they will tell you the same thing. Why would friendly and polite Pakistanis kill one another? I know and spoke with individuals who are victims of the cross-border drone bombings. The media is corrupt, but not all of it. There are journalists who work very hard to reveal the truth, and have been very successful. Zaid Hamid, Ayaz Amir, and Shireen Mazari to name a few. Please do some research!
"Regarding China, well, everybody loves them, especially as you get closer to the Chinese boarder. The two countries have a pretty good relationship to say the least, probably better now that the US has bombed them so much. We crossed the boarder to China via the Karakorum Highway, which is a massive trans-Himalayan road project from the 1970s funded by China. While we were there, China was upgrading the entire Pakistani side- making it 50+ percent wider to allow larger Chinese trucks through (about 90 percent of the traffic on this road is cargo from China). Not only was this totally paid by China, they even brought their own workers. Many said there is a train line on the drawing board for this route, as well as a pipeline connecting Iran. (An interesting side note: some people we met said that this was China's Plan B - The original plan was to go via Afganistan's Wakhi corridor, but this got scuttled with the 2001 invasion) However given the seismic activity and number of landslides, I find any such project extremely difficult at best."
Maybe you misunderstood what i was trying to say, Pakistan and Chinese relations are GREAT!!! China funded Karakorum, Gwadar, and many more projects. Pakistanis and Chinese are great friends and work together all the time. When it came to nuclear power, the Chinese and Pakistani's worked together. That is what is exactly what is threatening to their agenda! China has America a bit worried with is growing military and economy, what do you think Obama is doing Asia? Indirectly stepping on China's toes by destabilizing Pakistan is just one of many reasons they are there. Please do some research!
"The author above suggests that it is the intention of the PNAC to split Pakistan to deflate China's prospects. This could be conceivable ON PAPER, but in reality, I think everyone, both NWO pundits and Mr Saad Ali here, have been staying in too many Hilton hotel coffee shops, and have failed to accurately gauge the pulse of the nation. Pakistani's are very very proud people. Proud of their Nation. Proud of their unity. And descent and respectful to eachother. To consider such a realignment would be ludicrous to any Pakistani, no matter if you are a critic or supporter of the government, a radical Islamist, a Kalashi tribesman, or Sufi dervish. Look at this map. Ceding Kashmir to India? Giving the Ishmali Nortern Territory (not NWFP) which holds the Karakorum Hwy to Afganistan? Hell, they went far enough to slice a big hunk off of always-eager-to-be-complacent Iran as well. Unrealistic pipe dreams like this are how some countries "supposedly" have WMDs, how facts are "slam drunks", and how one should expect the people of the country you are invading to be joyously welcoming you in the streets.
(IMO- Mr Saad Ali never visited the country.)"
I am not suggesting, i am proving that PNAC has an intention to split Pakistan to deflate China's prospects. Yes WE Pakistanis are very very proud people, proud of our nation, proud of our unity, and descent and respectful to eachother. The same way we Americans are proud of our nation, the same way all the people of different countries have that same pride for their nations. Do we want a North American Union, NO. As Americans, we would hope that pride would stop the agenda, but that's not going to stop them from pursuing what they have already outlined, which is a one world government. They have an agenda for America and like they have an agenda for Pakistan, pride or no pride, they will do what they can to accomplish it. Please come to reality, Pakistani's having pride for their country is important, but thats not stopping them from destroying their country. Iraq and Afghanitan are clear pictures of this. Blackwater, CIA, Mossad, Raw, and different agencies are in Pakistan for that very reason. If you have actually gone in those areas, you would see how they are crumbling the provinces. They are really trying to disunite the people of Pakistan. The NWFP and Balochestan have been targeted in particular. The Baloch people now want to secede and form their own nation. The NWFP is being destroyed heavily. Look up the redrawn map of the Middle East by Ralph Peters. Look up their plan to divide Pakistan.
Honestly, I'm not surprised you didn't realize this and therefore disagree, you trip to Pakistan backpacking as a tourist will not lead you very far in searching for what is really going on in Pakistan. Agree or disagree if i visited Pakistan, i do not care. My information is backed by documented facts, and supported by respected journalists and officials worldwide. Please do some more research.
Hopefully the video i will soon release will help you understand.
Thank You for your time,
Saad Ali
WeAreChange Chicago
pakistan
my names mohammed- im from durban SA.
from what i know, there are many players in the game to get control of the "stans" of course, almost all are Zoinists/Jews but they represent different organisations & are there for different reasons.
-control of natural resources
-close proximity to Russia-cold war revisited
-destroy islam
-opium trade
their efforts are made easy by installing puppet goverments in these countries.
i just want to tell all the sincere Christians & Jews that Islam is not your enemy- even the "frothing at the mouth" fundamentalists are almost surely foreign agents or brainwashed fools who DO NOT REPRESENT 99.99% OF THE MUSLIMS and i dont think you will find anyone more fundamentalist than me.
all sincere people need to know that...
...we are not each others' enemies. Zionists and others thrive on divisions between people, and the fact that we have to be lied to to keep these divisions intact is to me one of the bright sides to look at.
thanks man!
one of my faves, which someone siad to me in re: activism is "remember the love". always good to come back to that one every once in a while as a reminder...
greetings
Mohammed of Durban!
i believe you are correct. i had researched one Yosef Maiman for starters...
Turkmenistan and more!
http://people.forbes.com/profile/yosef-a-maiman/5665
and I agree with you about 99.99%
welcome
Welcome, Mohammed
Your perspective as a Muslim and a South African is very welcome here!