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gretavo's picture
Submitted by gretavo on Tue, 2009-10-06 17:48.
Less than a year.
6% (1 vote)
About a year.
6% (1 vote)
About 2 years.
13% (2 votes)
More than two years.
31% (5 votes)
Never.
44% (7 votes)
Total votes: 16
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Keenan's picture

I chose #4 "More than two years" because

Submitted by Keenan on Tue, 2009-10-06 20:25.

what I really believe is that we are dealing with 2 different opposing realities in an increasingly bifurcated society, and that choice is about half way inbetwen:

1) The old osified corporate-mass-media-mind-controlled-and-wedded-to-the-current-socio-political-empire who will never acknowledge the possibility that it is illegitimate or completely founded on myths, let alone acknowledge any other big historical lies such as the JFK assassination. These people either control the official history via the media, political structure, and education system, or are tightly invested in that reality. That includes the vast majority of the over 50 demographic who will never consider that the corporate news networks are not the most credible sources of information. With most of this group, the truth will never hit the fan. They will fight a rear-guard battle to the end to preserve what they claim or believe is the last vestiges of all they hold dear against the "crazy, dangerous, traitorous, extremists who want to destroy our great society" because they peddle such viscous lies about 9/11 being an inside job and such.

and

2) The 1/3 or so of the population and growing demographic who no longer depend on the corporate media for all the truth and are not afraid of falling out of the "in-group" or "acceptable" culture. With this demographic, the truth has already pretty much hit the fan. It is that demographic who we will continue to make the most progress with.

What I see is an increasingly polarized society in which one side will continue to be fear-mongered about terrorism and what not and will feel increasingly hostile and desperate towards the other side who don't believe in the war on terror anymore and seem like crazed radicals who are "terrorist codlers" and are a threat to the continued existence of what they perceive as civilized society, got and country, or whatever. Since the dominant institutionalized military-political-state-authoritarian culture will not give up their power and control voluntarily, there is little prospect of ever seeing justice and a cessation of imperialistic warmongering absent some kind of civil war or revolution in this country.

That is the most realistic prospect, imo.

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gretavo's picture

i was "about two years"

Submitted by gretavo on Tue, 2009-10-06 20:25.

one reason is that this afternoon I stood outside during my lunch hour with a big A&E banner and had several people come up to me saying they would be going to Richard Gage's talk here on Sunday. there's no stopping us--even if we're dealing with a controlled movement, that control will not work when there's mass awareness. and honestly, I think we're just at the tipping point.

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Keenan's picture

Of course, as long as the "official culture" demographic

Submitted by Keenan on Tue, 2009-10-06 20:43.

continues to shrink due to the fact that the younger generation has more access to alternative information not controlled by the corporate media that will eventually but slowly tip the scales in our favor. That, along with more people waking up to the insecurity of our economic system, will at least increase the number of people willing to question the dominant culture. Perhaps at some point in the future the scales can be tipped more towards a peaceful transition in which the power can be shifted to the growing demographic of the more informed and increasingly discontented demographic. I just don't see it happening overnight, but on the other hand, the internet is a phenomenon which has had pretty significant cultural effects that wasn't predicted 20 years ago. Had the internet been around during the JFK assassination, perhaps things would be a little different today. So, one can only hope that there will continue to be unpredicted but significant shifts to come...

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Keenan's picture

How would you define the tipping point?

Submitted by Keenan on Wed, 2009-10-07 03:18.

1) When the mainstream media/political class acknowledges the lie, or

2) when x percent of the population become skeptics of the official account or

3) some other metric?

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Chris's picture

For me personally, the

Submitted by Chris on Thu, 2009-10-08 00:54.

For me personally, the tipping point is when there is so much anger that the average American forces the media into actually covering it fairly and extensively. When I see people showing up at town hall rallies to scream about 9/11 en masse and and I see the media covering those protests like they covered the phony "tea party" crap, I'll believe we might be on the way to an actual investigation and convictions. In light of that you can understand my skepticism. I'm afraid our consolidated media has that much sway.

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Chris's picture

I did it.....

Submitted by Chris on Thu, 2009-10-08 00:48.

I voted for never. I am a deeply cynical person by nature, so take that for what its worth, but the more time that goes by the more worried I get that it WILL end up like past "incidents" and assassinations, and by the time a clear majority knows the official story is bullshit it will be too late. I hope Keenan is right about the internet making a difference, and it is a wild card that could change things this time around, but I remain skeptical. I hope I'm wrong of course, but I always think the worst. It's a real character flaw I'm told,haha.

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Adam Syed's picture

I voted for about two years...

Submitted by Adam Syed on Thu, 2009-10-08 02:22.

I think that there will be a huge explosion in the ripple effect surrounding the 10th anniversary just like there was on the 5th. But this time it will be even more major. I think this might be the time that CD of the WTC gets so loud and impossible to ignore, whereby the perps will begin to try to spin it with "al Qaeda placed the charges." Hence the intense gatekeeping of Pentagon research.

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