Citizen Investigation Team...

gretavo's picture
Righteous truthers, maligned and misunderstood.
67% (24 votes)
Have their hearts in the right place but need to grow up.
8% (3 votes)
Their facts seem solid, but I don't trust them.
19% (7 votes)
They are promoting BS about the Pentagon in order to discredit the movement.
6% (2 votes)
Total votes: 36

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Adam Syed's picture

I voted for "righteous

I voted for "righteous truthers."

They've been maligned by a very hard core smear campaign.

Though I don't know how successful the campaign has been.

I see Adam Syed's posts (and other CIT supporters) getting buried with negative votes over at blogger, but then again, there are so many well meaning activists who support CIT who have been banned at blogger, so it's not a level playing field.

When I'm at major events like I was this summer in DC, I speak to people about CIT's work and those who are familiar give it thumbs up almost one hundred percent of the time. It seems there is a clique at blogger (mostly based at truefaction) who tries to make themselves appear to be the majority opinion when in reality they are not.

gretavo's picture

exactly

There seem to be a few folks there (in addition to Syed, Breezy in VA, and KNOWAR) who are calling out the naked emperor against the coordinated voting by the truefaction clique... oh, and the reason i voted that the work is solid but i don't trust them is that the bar has been raised very high in this movement for me to trust anyone, given how many fakers there are--simply put, I can't give them or anyone else the benefit of the doubt--instead I think the best thing to do is work with their evidence with a healthy dose of skepticism, salt, and strenuous analysis.

Chris's picture

I dont trust anybody, but

I dont trust anybody, but these constant attacks from the frauds make me think CIT is probably on the right track. Looks like enough of them cried and got Peter Dale Scott to backtrack:

 http://www.911blogger.com/node/20877

I voted righteous despite my lack of trust for anybody. Sorry if I broke the rules but its a protest vote!(protest against the Victronix Hoffman/Arabesques of the 9/11 world)

 

 

gretavo's picture

they may well be righteous

I really don't know (no really, I don't!) The Victronixes and Hoffmans of the world have to do more than criticize CIT, though--they have to explain what evidence they have seen that compels them to believe that AA77 itself, not just some empty remotely flown Boeing, crashed into the Pentagon...

Chris's picture

Ive noticed most people dont

Ive noticed most people dont really want to talk about remote flown Boeings, in respect to the Pentagon or otherwise. I wonder why? Im no expert but ive always leaned this way and towards WTC7 being involved in the "beaconing" so to speak. I dont think WTC7 was a mistake like some(who think 93 was supposed to hit it), I think it was just brazen destruction of evidence. The Pentagon is a tough nut though, im still kind of agnostic overall but find CIT interesting.

gretavo's picture

it's not good for newbies, no...

because a) it sounds far-fetched even though it isn't and b) it opens the possibility of the alleged passengers having been imaginary/in on the conspiracy. Of course it's possible that a real flight could have been hijacked remotely, too. The bottom line is that we should start people with the most obvious and least controversial points like the demolitions. When enough people realize that the truth about those was hidden from them, it will be time to demand a full accounting of the alleged fate of the (alleged) flights...

Annoymouse's picture

No 757 at the pentagon is what drew me in

I had always wondered how the towers fell the way they did but I assumed that would be explained one day .I had never heard about building 7 because it was never mentioned on the news . But I did hear this crazy story about no 757 at the pentagon and that got me curious so I started to investigate and to discover the truth about 911 . My main point is that the pentagon is what woke me up . I would also like to say that I just found your site and I find it to be very refreshing to be able to read the real truth about what is going on . I find 911 blogger to be almost hopeless now for the way they refuse conversation and the banning of people . Thank You for your great work . Ron

gretavo's picture

thanks Ron

and sorry for the delay in ppublishing your comments! no 757 at the Pentagon was also my first encounter with skepticism, and that led to building 7, which I learned about from "in Plane Site". it wasn't until loose change 2nd ed. came out tho that I felt confident enough about the facts to screen it for my friends and family, who finally understood my interest. none of these are/were perfect sources, but the important thing is that they got me thinking--and acting.

Keenan's picture

And you're not the only one who was woken up by the Pentagon

Despite what fakes like Hoffman, Victoria, Arabesque, etc., claim about how talking about skepticism of no 757 crash at the Pentagon hurts the movement and turns people off, I've personally met multiple people who were first brought into the truth movement because of the Pentagon anomaly. Personally, the Pentagon was the second thing about 9/11 that made me a truther, right after I discovered the WTC demolitions.

I know somebody personally who lived in DC on 9/11 and was an independent journalist. He was one of the first who arrived on the scene at the Pentagon, and he told me that he became a 9/11 skeptic from day one when he saw that there was no friggin way that a jetliner could have crashed at the Pentagon based on what he observed.

Chris's picture

The Pentagon is what got me

The Pentagon is what got me started as well. I laugh at people who tell us not to talk about the Pentagon. People like Hoffman are losing credibility every day though, and it's great to see more people see places like 911blogger for what they are. Welcome to a site that doesn't have any thought police.

kate of the kiosk's picture

welcome aboard

Ron! I was banned from 911 blogger a couple years back, I believe. but that is where I first met Real Truther/Gretavo, Keenan, Casseia, Chris, and Lazlo (who is no longer with us) and a few others. was delighted and relieved to find WTCD. It's been an incredible resource for research and stimulating blog exchange. 

my first question:  why is that other building collapsing? it was 7 and it was on the news later in the day. at that time i figured it was from the reverberation,shaking, and weakening of the foundations due to the collapse of 1 and 2, but i was perplexed. a couple years later it was the hole in the pentagon.. i think Serendipity and WhatReallyHappened were my first sites..then 911truth.org, then all the vids and DRG books, and yes, Chris Bollyn.  so here I am.

recently, i know many are supporting the CIT folks' research. i find it a bit daunting, and will need to revisit in order to comprehend. However, I do question the lack of witnesses brought forth or just coming forth from the east side - on the highways and byways, docks and such, to testify having seen a 757 flyover.  the fact that there would have been customary and frequent air traffic over the pentagon due to close proximity to the airport does not sit right with me.  the most guarded air space? and on 911 after the WTC had been hit and all air traffic was grounded? my husband was in Philly that morning and after hearing the news of the WTC was driving 95 (airport is right there too)  fearfully watching the sky for low-flying planes. Wouldn't DC folkshave been doing the same?

 

Annoymouse's picture

Thanks for the welcome

Any discussion of the Pentagon seems to get Hoffman and his group very upset and on the run, so it has to be a good thing . I am sure if AA-77 had truly hit that building the government would of had lots of photos and video out that same day showing such. I believe Hoffman is an agent of some sort and is doing a lot of harm to the truth movement,but I also think this site and the people here are more than a match for him and his cohorts. I guess when you have the truth on your side in a debate about 911 they will mostly be on the defensive for they are LIHOP or just trying to cover it all up. I live in Ontario Canada and I feel like I am alone up here for I am having no luck trying to get through to any one about the truth of 911 and I mostly stay with building 7 witch should be very simple to understand . Anyway Thanks again to all of you . Ron

Adam Syed's picture

Okay, who voted for "They

Okay, who voted for "They are promoting BS" ??

Step up to the plate and explain yourself! Don't be an anonymous spook!

willyloman's picture

I voted twice... I am so ashamed of myself...

I voted once for the "Heart in the right place" one when this poll was first put up... and I just signed in just now, and saw that I could vote again. So this time I voted the first option.

I think these guys are onto something but we see what good "eye witness" testimony is worth in the investigation of 911 by the fact that so many people at the scene when the Towers came down who testified they saw "orange flashes" and heard "explosions all around" as each floor "gave way"... and everyone just ignores them.

Looks like a real investigator could get that Lloyd guy to flip pretty easy, but of course, no one for any official agency will ever do that.

(BTW - I think Gretavo's alterego "Family Guy' was the one who voted for the last option there... his "Family Guy" character is getting a little strange...)

"The future is not inherited, it is achieved." JFK

Tahooey's picture

my bad

oops i just voted for the last one because i figured anything about the 'Pentgaon' is BS and therefore this is a trick question. haha my bad, where's the un-cast vote button? nm - found it :)

gretavo's picture

good catch

fixed the typo. thx to the crazy poll module you all can vote again (twice).

Tahooey's picture

ok now i can vote for real

this time i actually checked out their site, watched their video, and now I will vote.  Even though I don't know who's maligning them (guess I've been living under a rock / in the real world too much lately). 

Great work by these guys.

I think it would be awesome to see something similar with on-site eyewitnesses to airplanes at the WTC.

Annoymouse's picture

I voted the information

I voted the information contained in the videos, righteous truth.
The witnesses all appeared able to discern left from right and white from silver.
The police officer willing to bet his life that the "official route the plane took" is false, is a fantastic witness. I wonder how many spreading the official story are willing to bet their life on it...perhaps, they already have.

[anonymous comments should not be signed with a name since we can't verify their authenticity -gReT]