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Hilarious!!!

Jon Gold quit again!

http://www.911blogger.com/node/20014

This is...

My last blog post to 911blogger. This isn't the Controlled Demolition Movement, and yet every other post is about exactly that. The "message" of 911Blogger.com no longer matches my own. I have asked repeatedly to be taken off moderated comments, and have been ignored. I co-founded this site with dz, and generated the content that built this site's popularity, and now I am ignored. I am done.

Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Submitted by Jon Gold on Tue, 05/05/2009 - 10:07am.

casseia's picture

Even more hilarious!

Further down the thread, Zombie Bill Hicks links to a very similar post from Gold made in 2007! I think we're at level orange:

attention

juandelacruz's picture

911B idiots

The people at 911B are either idiots or disinfo themselves if they still don't see that Jon Gold has dedicated his time to sway attention away from controlled demolition. CD is the only part of the truth movement where the evidence of conspiracy has already been widely disseminated and theories can be tested against science - high school physics in fact. Gold is trying to pull the movement into areas where the spooks control the info - Sibel Edmonds, Pakistani ISI angle, stuff where we cannot see with our own eyes and therefore subject to manipulation and disinfo.

His work to move people away from controlled demolition works in concert with pseudo scientific truthers like Diane of http://activistnyc.wordpress.com/ who go on to maliciously debunk CD after feigning support for it.

When will these people face the music, the controlled demolition theory is the best evidence to date that an inside job happened. It is tested against science, not testimony, not witness accounts, but physics itself. Any theory not consistent with CD falls flat on its face. Persistent purveyors of LIHOP should be evaluated for their soundness or the grave possibility that they are disinfo agents.

(This rant is for the 911B readers and not really for our regulars, to whom I may sound like a broken record)

P45's picture

Play him off, keyboard cat





casseia's picture

OMG...

Someone SO needs to do a Bldg 7 Keyboard Cat! In the meanwhile...


gretavo's picture

911Blogger drama queens rival the WWE

Theater. Whether you like Shakespeare, Kabuki, or "professional wrestling", the truth movement, like the world, is a stage. While it may be tempting to dismiss Jon Gold as a prima donna by nature I think that we would be missing the valuable lesson in all this--discourse, and through it people, is best manipulated through scripting.

Narrative is driven by characters--whom we identify as the "good guys" and the "bad guys" is very important to a story, and because most people have a fairly simplistic moral sense popular theater tends toward clear distinctions between good and bad, between the heroes and the villains. To the jaded, cynical, or sophisticated audience (present company most definitely included) these character portrayals are the stuff of satire--can anyone really be taken in by such banality? Sadly they can, and most of us probably have at one point or another.

On the whole, mass manipulation plays to the lowest common denominator--it must to be effective. This presents the problem of convincing those who should know better--those who are capable of detecting BS. This is where the second level of manipulation comes in--the cheering section that creates peer pressure to suspend disbelief. Whether we're talking about users at 911Blogger playing along and begging Jon Gold (as often as required) to reconsider his decision to "quit the movement" or the practice of paying an unscrupulous "expert" to lie about his opinion on, say, the viability of a fire-based collapse theory, the goal is to manipulate people into believing things they would not otherwise believe.

The performance put on by Jon Gold and his cheering squad seems to fall squarely into the category of "clapping for tinkerbell" as described in this essay:

It is reminiscent of the scene from Peter Pan (by Scottish novelist and playwright J. M. Barrie [1860–1937]) when the faerie, Tinkerbell, swallows poison intended for Peter. Peter then gets the audience to demonstrate its belief in faeries by clapping in order to restore her to life. Not clapping would mean you are guilty of fatacide—the murder of a faerie.

Not begging Jon Gold to not quit the movement--either by asking him explicitly not to or more subtly by pretending to find the crap he posts and promotes more credible and thereby holding your tongue instead of questioning it publicly--would mean you are guilty of Goldicide, which translates of course into wishing ill to the "families and first responders" of whom Jon Gold sets himself up as a caring and tireless advocate.  All of this suggests that the most appropriate response would involve a cartoon showing Jon Gold as tinkerbell splayed out on the stage pretending to be dead with one eye stealthily eyeing Reprehensor who (reluctantly, perhaps?) must once again call for the audience to clap so that Jon Gold may return.  In the mostly empty audience a few diehards strategically spread out stand in feverish ovation, a few more old timers head for the exits, and those who just arrived look around in confusion...   :) 

juandelacruz's picture

They moved his post to the

They moved his post to the front, and he says thankyou. I guess he is not quitting 911B anymore. LOL!

Chris's picture

theres a fairly impressive

theres a fairly impressive post by Robin Hordon over in that thread now. based on the types who frequent 911b now im assuming his point totals wont go as high as they should.

Edit: it appears they have deleted Robins comment taking on Gold and his LIHOP BS. so fucking typical. 

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Hi Chris, Can you give us

Hi Chris,

Can you give us the gist of what Robin said. I tried looking for it earlier but it must have been deleted by then.

It is important that someone document such anomalies in 911blogger to let the honest but otherwise unaware people who frequent that site that they are in a controlled, lihop promoting forum.

I actually think that one day 911B will shoot itself in the foot, and take down truthers associated with them. Honest truthers like Steven Jones should beware.

Chris's picture

Sure, I can try. I remember

Sure, I can try. I remember him specifically saying something along the lines of-"Jon, you cannot put your finger in the dam any longer" and he proceeded to lay out a lot of strong circumstantial evidence for why Israel(or Israelis I should say) likely played a role in the attacks and why the CD evidence is important. I believe he attacked the obvious attempted framing/blackmail of Pakistan(and to a lesser extent Saudi Arabia) as well. It wasnt really an attack on Jon personally, really just an impassioned post saying how we need to stop ignoring and downplaying the Israeli role and CD.  There was no good reason for the post to be deleted. Yes, he did call out Jon but he didnt "attack" him, he basically just laid out the facts. It was a great post for a 911blogger and now its gone. im actually grateful they banned me so long ago, it shows im on the right track. I should have copied the post but I forgot just how pathetic 911B and the people who run it are.

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Jon Gold Delivery Device

I'm even a little shocked by this, just because they're bothering to leave in place the voting system for comments, but then exercising this parallel and opaque control from above as well. It gives the illusion of some kind of democracy, which makes the dictatorial nature of some of the editing that much more Orwellian.

The bottom line is that apart from any real substantive issues, the editorial policy of 911b is that it must be a "safe space" for Jon Gold who has proven himself again and again unable to hold his own on the field of real argument. That is certainly true of others as well (Jessica "Get your nose out of my poopy diaper shriekfest" Albanese comes to mind)but for some reason, 911b has chosen to make Gold-protection its number one priority.

They don't like the Patsystan angle, either -- or any argument regarding the way all the ground work laid by such misdirections as the pork chop transfer are now paying off, enabling Pakistan to be framed as one big enemy.

Chris's picture

No doubt, "attacking" Jon

No doubt, "attacking" Jon gold and Arabesque is what finally got me banned from the site. And is Albanese still around? I remember him sort of "quitting" the movement as well when enough people called him on his bullshit. I think Jon is too stupid to be anything more than a useful idiot but ive always wondered about Albanese and Arabesque(and of course Hoffman and his girlfriend Victronix), something tells me they're a bit more "professional" if you know what I mean. But then as you point out Jon has always gotten such good treatment from the extremely suspect 911B over the years and hes always on message so I guess you cant rule anything out.

juandelacruz's picture

Thanks Chris! Honest people

Thanks Chris!

Honest people at 911blogger should demand that Robin's comments on that thread be undeleted if it does not violate any written forum policies.

Reprehensor should be held accountable for his behind the scene actions to protect Jon Gold's failed ploys to promote LIHOP and the scapegoating of Arabs and Muslims.

911Blogger delivers a lot of news and maintains high visibility for a purpose, unfortunately that is not to deliver the whole truth, but rather to control truth.

Chris's picture

No problem. Like I said,

No problem. Like I said, i'll make sure to copy and paste any noteworthy comments in the future since 911B is so fucking orwellian.

And honest people at 911b? I think they purged most of them by now, sadly.

Reprehensor is one of the most cowardly people ive never met.  A truly pathetic man who absolutely deserves to be held accountable. I dream of the day when not only the 9/11 perps, all of them, are held accountable but so is the corporate media, the "alternative" media and even scum like Rep who hurt the cause of truth in their own ways. 

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Saudi Arabia was the original Patsystan...

"the obvious attempted framing/blackmail of Pakistan(and to a lesser extent Saudi Arabia)"

 I just got a book that is a study by Rand of 9/11 compensation, which divides the various forms of compensation into four types: government programs (like the victims compensation fund), insurance, charity, and tort. Tort, or suing people or groups for damages, was cited as the least prevalent form of compensation and the most problematic, and the Saudi Royal Family was apparently the biggest target for lawsuits, including one by Lucky Larry himself. Of course, these suits were essentially dismissed...

 

Spurious Trillion Dollar Lawsuit Against Saudi Arabia Shot Down by Appeals Court

 Now, here are links to all the 911blogger posts about the lawsuits, in chronological order.  I haven't checked, but I wonder if any of them were Posted by Jon Gold™?

 

Pinning the blame for 9/11 - Special Report: A Phila. law firm ...

  • Led by its flinty chairman and founder, Stephen Cozen, the firm has invested thousands of hours and millions of dollars to scour the world for witnesses, ...
    www.911blogger.com/node/15886 - 71k - Cached - Similar pages
  • Follow Bugiosi's lead | 911Blogger.com

    I may send Daniel Hopsicker's books to the attorney, Stephen Cozen . . . So, yes, you're right. Maybe we're wasting our time right now trying to get a new ...
    www.911blogger.com/node/15890 - 40k - Cached - Similar pages

  • 11, 2001, Stephen Cozen huddled with expert witnesses in a seventh-floor conference room of his Center City law firm preparing for what promised to be a ...
    www.911blogger.com/node/15915 - 62k - Cached - Similar pages
  • Phila. firm appeals 9/11 suit to US high court | 911Blogger.com

  • The appeal was filed by the Philadelphia law firm of Cozen O'Connor, ... sponsors of terrorism," said Stephen Cozen, the lead lawyer for the plaintiffs. ...
    www.911blogger.com/node/18516 - 46k - Cached - Similar pages
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    one out of four ain't bad...

    Posted by Jon Goldâ„¢ that is...

    He comments on several of them though.  Here's his, with VERY interesting comments by people probably since banned from 911B!

     

    How Cozen Took On A Kingdom For 9/11 Liability

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    Source: The Philadelphia Inquirer

    By Chris Mondics
    Inquirer Staff Writer
    6/2/2008

    Second of two parts.

    On the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, Stephen Cozen huddled with expert witnesses in a seventh-floor conference room of his Center City law firm preparing for what promised to be a bare-knuckle trial over a string of soured movie deals.

    Hundreds of millions of dollars were at stake in a dispute over proceeds from Hollywood films including The Truman Show, Runaway Bride, and The General's Daughter. But Cozen's attention was soon diverted by a call from his wife, Sandy.

    The World Trade Center had been attacked. Cozen and his associates switched on a TV and with astonishment watched the towers burning and then collapsing.

    Like Americans everywhere, Cozen, 67, a hyperactive trial lawyer and onetime college basketball player, was torn between anger at the perpetrators and compassion for the victims.

    But there was little time for reflection.

    Within hours, Cozen O'Connor was swamped with calls from the insurance companies it represents in handling claims from high-rise office fires, hurricanes and ice storms.

    Now the clients were possibly on the hook for far more money than ever before, billions of dollars in property losses at ground zero, business disruptions, and workers' compensation claims.

    "They were saying not only are we going to have to pay out billions . . . but they wanted to know whether there was anyone they could recover from," Cozen recalled in an interview. "We tried to get as many facts as we could."

    From that flurry of phone calls in the hours and days after the attacks would emerge an ambitious lawsuit: an 812-page complaint that would seek to hold America's closest ally in the Arab world financially liable for the 9/11 attacks.

    Just as surely, it would commit Cozen O'Connor to the biggest battle in the firm's history.

    The firm's early days
    When Cozen, a freshly minted University of Pennsylvania law school grad, joined his uncle's law practice in 1964, the firm was a two-person shop focusing on small insurance-coverage disputes that other firms shunned.

    It was a sleepy corner of the legal world where a lawyer could earn a good - but not spectacular - income.

    Yet it gave Cozen the chance to practice law right away, rather than serve as a glorified apprentice at a larger, more illustrious firm.

    In the 1970s and early 1980s, after Cozen's uncle had died and Cozen had taken over, the firm handled a series of cases that would set it on a path of explosive growth and lay the groundwork for its lawsuit against Saudi Arabia.

    It represented insurers in coverage disputes over arson fires, many of them mob-related, at diners and restaurants throughout the Philadelphia region. At the time, such cases often settled quietly, but Cozen took a different tack.

    The firm would deconstruct the diner's books looking for signs of a financial motive. It would bring in arson experts and forensic accountants. It would grill mobster owners.

    In one case, the firm deposed a senior member of the Gambino crime family suspected of torching his Cherry Hill restaurant. Much to the delight of Cozen's insurance-industry client, the case was settled on the courthouse steps for a fraction of the $1 million claim.

    The firm's chief innovation was to bring in experienced trial lawyers who had worked as local or federal prosecutors and have them pursue cases with investigative zeal.

    The strategy was to challenge every suspicious insurance claim all the way to trial. Cozen lawyers did this even when prosecutors declined to file charges or investigate a case.

    Over a decade or more, the firm tried 120 such cases, according to Cozen, winning them all.

    Cozen gradually moved into insurance subrogation, an obscure but incredibly lucrative practice in which lawyers go after a third party, usually a business, deemed responsible for a fire or other loss. The idea is to recover damages for insurers to help offset what they pay out in claims.

    Such was the case in 1993 when the firm represented insurance-industry clients in the first World Trade Center bombing. A truck bomb in the garage beneath the twin towers had killed six people and injured more than 1,000.

    Cozen sued the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, then owner of the towers, showing that the agency had been warned the trade center was vulnerable to just such an attack. Cozen collected $19 million for its client, Chubb.

    As it had in disputes over diner and restaurant coverage, Cozen went to trial in liability disputes, forcing much larger payouts in cases that typically settled for as little as 10 cents on the dollar.

    Those successes fueled enormous growth. From a handful of lawyers in the late 1960s, Cozen has come to dominate the specialty of insurance subrogation. It has grown to 547 lawyers with 23 offices in the United States, London and Toronto, and has moved well beyond its insurance work with venture capital, white-collar crime and general litigation and other new practice groups. It is the fourth-largest firm, in number of lawyers, in Philadelphia and among the top 100 in the nation.

    Among its best-known cases were the 1980 fire at the MGM Grand Hotel in Las Vegas; the 1981 skywalk collapse at the Hyatt Regency in Kansas City, Mo.; and the 1991 fire at One Meridian Plaza, a 38-story Center City tower that burned for 19 hours, killing three firefighters.

    In the One Meridian fire alone, the firm recovered more than $110 million for the owner, ER Associates, and the manager, Richard I. Rubin & Co., from an alarm company, contractors, and others held responsible.

    For all of that, the firm sometimes struggles for respect. Insurance work can be looked down upon by lawyers at other high-end firms who think it lacks the cache of huge corporate deals.

    Origins of the Saudi case
    Stephen Cozen's father, Samuel, was a basketball legend in Philadelphia, coaching Wilt Chamberlain at Overbrook High School before a successful career as varsity coach at what is now Drexel University. There he compiled a 213-94 record.

    There is something of the father in the son.

    In the Saudi lawsuit, Cozen displays his father's sideline intensity, pushing his lawyers hard to produce facts and legal interpretations that could move the case forward.

    He pushes himself hard as well.

    He won two varsity letters as a basketball player at Penn. And his tuition to law school there was paid by Baltimore Colts owner Carroll Rosenbloom in gratitude for work Cozen did in the summer and fall after his college graduation, unraveling a disputed insurance claim involving Rosenbloom's Shore home in Margate, N.J. It was Cozen's first insurance win.

    Cozen has long been a major fund-raiser for Israeli causes. He serves on the board of Steven Spielberg's Shoah Foundation Institute in Los Angeles, whose purpose is to collect and preserve memories of the Holocaust.

    Behind the desk in Cozen's office hang two castings of stones from the Western Wall in Jerusalem. Family photos adorn the office as well.

    As the firm weighed whether to sue Saudi Arabia, Cozen turned to contacts in Israel, including Gen. Yoram "Ya Ya" Yair, once a top Israeli military commander, who pointed him toward former military and intelligence officials with expertise in Islamist extremism.

    Cozen says his support for Israel had nothing to do with the decision to sue Saudi Arabia, a longtime antagonist of Israel.

    "We made a decision based on whether there was a good, viable case of civil liability," Cozen said. "We did not look at any moral or political issue. That was not our concern. . . . There were no moral judgments, no vendettas."

    The lawsuit takes shape
    To recover 9/11 damages for its insurance-company clients, the firm had to confront the question of who was responsible, for either causing the attacks or failing to protect the people who were harmed.

    Once those responsible were identified, could they be taken to court?

    The team quickly ruled out going after the airlines, reasoning that they had no role in providing security. Even if they had, it would have been difficult to prove the airlines could have foreseen that their planes would be used as weapons.

    Hijacked, yes. But crashed into buildings? Likely not.

    What about the security companies that screened the 19 hijackers? Cozen said there seemed to be no evidence that the airport screeners had deviated in any way from government procedures.

    Even though the hijackers were armed with box cutters, the screening companies had done nothing wrong by waving them through. Box cutters at the time could be legally carried onto a plane.

    Someone wondered whether Afghanistan could be sued, since the Taliban rulers had hosted Osama bin Laden since 1996.

    That seemed possible until lawyers came back with a quick answer: Afghanistan's only internationally recognized government was in exile in Rome and thus had no assets.

    But a lawsuit against Saudi Arabia? That might work.

    Zeroing in on Riyadh
    To build the case and handle the flood of client queries, Cozen partner Richard Glazer set up a task force of lawyers.

    That group included Elliott Feldman, the head of the firm's subrogation practice, and Sean Carter, who directed much of the strategy. Carter, known for his capacity to master prodigious amounts of information, quarterbacks the case for the firm.

    Also on the team were Scott Tarbutton, a young associate who handled many research and legal tasks, and Adam Bonin, who is married to author Jennifer Weiner (In Her Shoes) and has an elegant writing style of his own.

    For advice on the appeals, the firm turned to Stephen Burbank, a Harvard-trained law professor at Penn and a leading authority on the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act, which governs circumstances under which U.S. citizens can sue foreign governments. (See article on this page.)

    What clinched the decision was an avalanche of information from the U.S. Treasury Department naming dozens of suspect Islamist charities, banks, and alleged terrorism financiers as al-Qaeda allies.

    Many were based in Saudi Arabia or had prominent Saudis in leadership roles.

    Cozen lawyers also had to be sure that such a defendant made financial sense, for the firm and its clients. A lawsuit of this magnitude would cost many millions of dollars. Moreover, the law governing such cases was evolving and uncertain.

    And because any lawsuit against such an important American ally would inevitably raise national-security issues, the U.S. government might step in and halt legal action.

    Cozen lawyers tallied what the investigation and legal work would cost, what the case might bring in, and what its chances were of succeeding.

    Such a calculation followed no formula. It was more an art, a way of knowing from years before juries, what might work in a courtroom.

    Saudi Arabia was by far the biggest potential target, politically and financially.

    There was also economic and legal logic in naming more obscure players, such as Sudan, which hosted bin Laden from 1991 through 1996.

    Sudan held about $81 million in U.S. financial institutions, money the U.S. Office of Foreign Assets Control froze after the 9/11 attacks. A favorable judgment could shift some of that money to Cozen and its clients.

    Even al-Qaeda had $8 million in frozen assets that plaintiffs could seize if they won.

    In the end, Cozen said, it was the legal simplicity of the case that seemed most persuasive - and a huge payout if they succeeded.

    Although the question of who financed the movement that carried out the 9/11 attacks involved complex fact patterns and difficult investigative hurdles, the legal theory behind the case wasn't terribly different from the subrogation work the firm had made a specialty: Look for people or businesses responsible for a loss and make them pay.

    Seeking damages from Saudi Arabia was, in its essence, no different from going after any business, contractor or third party for liability.

    "It was our very strong recommendation to our clients," Cozen said, "that the case be pursued."

    Then came the hard part.

    Funding the lawsuit
    To offset costs, Cozen said, the firm found a way to convert some of its findings into cash.

    Through their own investigation, Cozen lawyers learned that a major money-center bank (one that participates in national and international money markets) in the United States, which Cozen declined to identify, was planning to purchase a smaller bank. Evidence suggested that the smaller bank had served as a conduit for financial transactions of extremist groups.

    With that information in hand, Cozen lawyers approached the money-center bank. To avoid being named as a defendant, it settled for millions of dollars, money that was used to offset some of the costs of preparing the lawsuit.

    The firm filed its lawsuit on Sept. 10, 2003, naming more than 400 defendants and seeking to recover about $5 billion. Yet that amount far understated what was at stake financially. Because Cozen and other law firms sued under laws that permit plaintiffs to collect treble and punitive damages along with attorneys' fees, the actual award could easily reach the tens of billions of dollars.

    Hearing the case was U.S. District Judge Richard Conway Casey, a former prosecutor and a graduate of Holy Cross College and the Georgetown University Law Center.

    It was in his Manhattan courtroom that the two sides met for a series of arguments between September and November 2004, when each laid out its position.

    Cozen lawyers argued that the Saudis not only had funded and controlled the charities, but had been warned that the charities helped launder money into al-Qaeda. The defense insisted that there was no evidence that the Saudi government had supported acts of terrorism, and that the kingdom itself had been a victim of extremist groups, including al-Qaeda.

    In one particularly intense hearing, Casey pushed back hard against Saudi arguments. For a while, Cozen lawyers thought they had been able to convince him.

    But only a few weeks later, in January, and then in September, Casey issued two hard-hitting and emphatic rulings. He found the Saudi government immune from being sued because its oversight and financial support for the charities constituted normal government activities.

    And he discounted information that the Saudis had been warned about the charities' money-laundering, and cited a 9/11 Commission finding that it had "no evidence that the Saudi government as an institution or senior Saudi officials individually funded" al-Qaeda.

    Cozen and associates were outraged. They believed their investigation had gone considerably beyond the work of the 9/11 Commission, by showing that the Saudis had substantial control over the charities, had been warned repeatedly that the charities posed a problem, yet had had taken no actions.

    Casey, Cozen felt, had profoundly misconstrued the case by failing to recognize Saudi responsibility.

    Cozen lawyers began mapping their appeal.

    The charities named as defendants were so tightly interwoven with the Saudi government that an appeal of Casey's ruling had a good chance of success, they believed. Their own investigation had uncovered facts missed by Congress and the 9/11 Commission, they thought.

    Absent financial support from the charities, some of it Saudi government money, they argued, bin Laden would never have been able to pull off 9/11.

    At the same time, they pushed forward on their investigation, combing through files and querying defendants. One of those was a major al-Qaeda operative, founder and financier named Wa'el Julaidan. The U.S. Treasury Department designated Julaidan a terrorism financier in 2002.

    But Julaidan, responding to Cozen questioning, said the government of Saudi Arabia had subjected him to no penalties or sanctions.

    His response mirrored statements by U.S. officials, most recently Stuart Levey, Treasury undersecretary for international terrorism, who said last year that he was unaware of any Saudi sanctions imposed on terrorism financiers living in Saudi Arabia.

    During this period, Cozen also learned that at least two Guantanamo Bay detainees had been employees of the Saudi High Commission for Relief of Bosnia and Herzegovina, a Saudi government charity founded and run by Saudi Prince Salman.

    In its hearings on whether detainees should be released, the Pentagon considers past employment by the commission and other charities to be a reason for keeping a prisoner in custody.

    Cozen also fought a rear-guard action against the U.S. government, seeking to force it to open more investigative files on the charities.

    In April 2006, the firm sued the Treasury Department in federal District Court in Philadelphia, alleging it had improperly redacted or withheld thousands of internal documents on the government of Saudi Arabia, the charities, and al-Qaeda that Cozen was seeking.

    Cozen appealed Casey's dismissal of the Saudis as defendants on Jan. 5, 2007, attempting to keep them and their resources in the suit. The suit and its ambitions rested on a decision by a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Manhattan.

    Cozen's brief argued that the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act did not protect governments that failed to act when informed that their own agencies promoted terror.

    Over the ensuing months, Cozen lawyers continued their investigation and honed their legal arguments. They pursued discovery against defendants who remained in the case, querying them on their business interests and affiliations while jockeying with defense attorneys over the terms of discovery.

    A year later, on Jan. 18, the Second Circuit heard arguments.

    Stephen Cozen himself was the lead lawyer for the plaintiffs. Flanked by members of his legal team, he stood to make their case.

    The Saudi government and members of the royal family, he said, engaged in conduct that breached the standards of normal government activities when they supported Islamist charities that funded extremist groups. In acting outside those standards, they made themselves liable under the law.

    Defense lawyer Michael Kellogg answered the allegation. U.S. law afforded the Saudi government substantial protection from litigation, he told the judges. Moreover, there was no evidence that the kingdom had anything to do with the 9/11 attacks, and such evidence was necessary to restore the government and royal family as defendants.

    On the surface at least, the Second Circuit's judges appeared sympathetic to aspects of Cozen's case.

    When Kellogg described the close relationship between the kingdom and the United States, the appellate court's chief judge, Dennis Jacobs, cut him short.

    "It's neither here nor there," Jacobs said.

    The judges posed no question to Cozen, who had been ready for this moment for weeks.

    "The kingdom and its officials knew and intended to support al-Qaeda through these charities," Cozen said, gesturing as if conducting an orchestra. "The resources to build [al-Qaeda's] infrastructure were provided by donors and channeled through a network of Islamic charities. It is the misconduct of the charities and government officials that forms the [basis] of our complaint."

    I called...

    His offices today... left a message.



    RIP Bo Diddley

     

    RIP Harvey Korman, too.

    RIP Harvey Korman, too.

    This is huge. I don't

    This is huge.

    I don't think anyone realizes that these two articles were HEADLINERS on the front page of yesterday and today's Philadelphia Inquirer.

    A great opportunity for 9/11 truth activists everywhere to write letters to the editor, or to Chris Mondics, the reporter, or even Stephen Cozen, the head attorney . . . . asking questions about how these Saudi hijackers were able to not only get into the U.S, but how they were also U.S. protected while some had flight training in Fla & U.S. military bases . . . . Now how could this be? : )

    inquirer.letters@phillynews.com

    I wonder how far Stephen Cozen will dig? Will he ignore certain truths as he discovers them?

    I do believe we have an opening here . . . . and Scott McClellan HAS helped us, regardless of his smarmy, and maybe not too-little-too-late, confession and truthful retaliation, which just double confirms it all. (But is still news to some . . . )

    I`m with Kellogg

    Where`s the evidence?

    I also agree with Judge Jacobs - the close relationship between Saudi Arabia and the U.S. is neither here nor there.

    Evidence of involvement in the crime, presented in open court, is what we need. Absent such evidence, funding of Islamic charities is neither here nor there.

    As an insurance lawyer, Crozen should have something to say about why the insurance companies paid out on the World Trade Center.

    This gives me real pause in the firms

    possible bias:

    "Cozen has long been a major fund-raiser for Israeli causes. He serves on the board of Steven Spielberg's Shoah Foundation Institute in Los Angeles, whose purpose is to collect and preserve memories of the Holocaust.

    Behind the desk in Cozen's office hang two castings of stones from the Western Wall in Jerusalem. Family photos adorn the office as well.

    As the firm weighed whether to sue Saudi Arabia, Cozen turned to contacts in Israel, including Gen. Yoram "Ya Ya" Yair, once a top Israeli military commander, who pointed him toward former military and intelligence officials with expertise in Islamist extremism.

    Cozen says his support for Israel had nothing to do with the decision to sue Saudi Arabia, a longtime antagonist of Israel."

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    Absolutely, its blackmail

    Absolutely, its blackmail all the way(having the "hijackers" use saudi passports), I dont believe for one minute that SA was involved. When Gerald Posner provides "evidence" linking the Saudi Royals to 9/11 you KNOW something stinks. Posner is the worst. Im glad there is at least one site(this one) out here that tracks what fake truthers like Gold and his 911B backers engage in. Its good to have this stuff on record for if/when we finally get some accounability.

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    Robin Hordon's excellent post

    I knew they were going to pull the post, thus I saved it here:
    http://911notes.blogspot.com/

    Robin's post:

    Slowly the onion is peeled to its core...
    Now THIS is a post by Sibel Edmonds that transends the events of 9/11/2001 and gets to the point that 9/11 is but a symptom of the larger problem.

    Its of no surprise to me that Jon Gold is distancing himself from 9/11 blogger...he has no more fingers to plug the holes in the 9/11 truth dike as it leaks past him.

    In the end it is Zionism and Israel's connection and its forces behind 9/11 that are and will remain the principal blockage to the trurth coming out about 9/11.

    If one peels a few more layers of the onion of political coruption away as Sibel Edmonds has shown must be done, we will find out that congress has long been bought and owned by the Military Industrial Complex, its assocuiated corporate suppliers of military warring apparatus, and its primary "little twin brother" the ADF and Zionists involved in the Greater Israel initiative.

    Richard Perle was taped making the point that AIPAC has influence on the outcomes in nearly every congressional and senatorial district throughout the country. If one cannot see that Obama is tooled every day by Zionism...[please note that Rahm Emanuel is Obama's chief of staff and that Jimmy Catrer was bounced from Obama's own demcratic convention by Derschowitz [as reported], then the sun sets in the east.

    For now its Game-Set-Match Zionism in what is supposed to be OUR government for the betterment of THIS country.

    Proof of the controlled demolitions and destruction of the WTCs leads directly to Israel's involvement with 9/11...its inescapable and its a self serving involvement by Israel that may have been very, very short sighted...indeed!

    The evidence goes way beyond Larry Silverstein's words and financial benefits reaped by certain Manhattanites [remember Milken and Boesky and the Den of Thieves?] Well, no real change here..only the players, the dates and the methodology of ANOTHER massive theft...aka...those INSIDER Wall Streeters who made some SIG COIN in the put options. The money Exchangers and their long range plans are involved again...still actually.

    By far, the most significant story in all of the events of 9/11 is known as "The Dancing Israelis"...or more accurately put, "The Dancing Mossad Agents"...who were in place to witness [or film?] the events BEFORE they happened. How did this happen without absolute and very, very specific foreknowledge? This is HUGE TROUBLE for Israel and its bought and paid for servants in the two houses of congress and the White House.

    Game-Set-Match for 9/11 Truth...except that its not exposed.

    Its not exposed because of the same imbedded forces in most 9/11 Truth groups, the severely compromised main stream media...aka...the corporate media...aka...the pro Israel media...aka...the Rulling Class media...aka...The Mockingbird Media. The circle completes...

    This game we are involved in is far, far bigger than the events of 9/11/2001 in and of themselves. Mike Ruppert, Peter Dale Scott and many, many others have offered information that defines the width and breadth of this degenrative and monstrous game.

    Its just that the work done on exposing the WTC demolitions is now so well structured that it is now IMPOSSIBLE to disinvolve Israel.

    This day was long in coming...and exposing Israel's role in 9/11 had to be accomplished in the most indirect way possible lest the Zionists in this country be given an opportrunity to stop, twist or reshape the TRUTH...which they have done in each opportunity presented. That good ole "your an anti-semite" trick has been very, very successful discrediting the 9/11 Truth Movement...along with any other movement [the Peace Movement for example] or any other person or group that speaks out about the Israeli-Palestinian debacle.

    If congress starts up ANY investigation of almost ANYTHING...they will indict themselves and they know it. So does Sibel Edmonds.

    Things are really getting pretty good now...and the truth will overcome...

    Love, Peace and Progress with:

    PUBLICALLY FUNDED ELECTIONS using HAND COUNTED PAPER BALLOTS on a NEW PAID FEDERAL VOTING HOLIDAY...

    ...just for starters as we THROW ALL THE CROOKS OUT of congress...and then the White House!!!

    ...trust Sibel Edmonds here...she's got it mostly correct...

    ...and for goodnes sakes, PLEASE keep up CI...Civil Informationing and supporting cosmos on the 11th of every month...

    Robin Hordon

    PS: AIPAC and American Jewery please feel free to sue my butt off and call me an anti-semite...don't care. You are on the precipice of being totally exposed as to what your decades long plans have been...and the VAST majority of citizens in the good ole USofA have very little interest in The Greater Israel Project. at the expense of the Palestinians..rdh

    Jpass's picture

    wtf anti-jewish comment

    "American Jewery...You are on the precipice of being totally exposed as to what your decades long plans have been"
    -robin hordon

    Did everyone miss the anti-Jewish ps...i mean bs...at the end of Robin Hordon's allegedly 'excellent post'?

    gretavo's picture

    I did indeed notice it...

    In fact Casseia and I were recently discussing in private whether it was likely that this comment really was posted by Robin Hordon, given the tone and the middling quality of the writing. I suppose it wouldn't be too hard to find out--I don't think Hordon is too hard to find contact info for...

    juandelacruz's picture

    Hi Annoymouse, Thanks for

    Hi Annoymouse,

    Thanks for saving the post.

    Now that I have read it though, I see there was valid reason by 911B to delete it.

    There are some excellent points about it, mentioning Israel's involvement, and Jon Gold's attempts to contain the information.

    I am puzzled however at his regard for Sibel Edmond's testimony regarding 9-11.

    His rant against American Jews fails to distinguish that there are Jews who are very much against the Israel project.

    Annoymouse's picture

    Re Juan

    No problem.

    "His rant against American Jews fails to distinguish that there are Jews who are very much against the Israel project."

    Well, there are certainly many Jews who are against the neocon imperial project, but they don't matter because they are not in power. Nobody really refuted Mearsheimer and Walt. Or the 3-weekly contributions of Justin Raimondo for years on end in antiwar.com. One can certainly not generalize but it is also impossible to ignore the Israeli angle in 9/11 and that was what Hordon was aiming at. I did not find the post over the top.

    regards,
    9/11-investigator
    Amsterdam/Netherlands

    Annoymouse's picture

    911notes

    Here is my comment on the Gold 'resignation':

    http://911notes.blogspot.com/
    "Jon Gold anounces departure from 911blogger"

    Regards,
    9/11-investigator

    {Remark to the editor (Gretavo?): if this is too 'sensitive' feel free to edit or rather leave stuff out. That's why I split the msg in 3 parts in the first place.}

    gretavo's picture

    can you understand why...

    ...we strongly discourage painting issues in terms of Jews and non-Jews? If your problem is with Zionism and Zionists whether Jews or not, then say so. If your problem is with Judaism, by all means also say so. But please don't leave any room for misunderstanding, as this guy was wont to... http://wtcdemolition.com/blog/node/2119

    juandelacruz's picture

    That is what is sad about

    That is what is sad about it.

    I think that the Israel angle is very important, and it needs highlighting in the movement in general to counter a campaign by Jon Gold and his ilk to downplay and cover it up.

    I do not think that Hordon is really against Jews in general, but I feel he was careless in posting that rant, giving the other side ammunition to shoot down the whole post.

    We should not alienate Jews who are not part of 9-11, we should welcome them instead, and part of that process is to make the distinction clear that only certain Jews, only a number of Zionists even, are involved in the conspiracy.

    We should not be lax in allowing expressions of hatred for religion or faith, unless every member of that group really deserves it. My country - the Philippines - was invaded twice by Christians and thousands of us were murdered. That is not an excuse for me to say Christians should be rounded up and face trial.

    casseia's picture

    My two cents on the Hordon post

    I think he packaged "AIPAC" and "American Jewry" together in such a way that there is a strong implication that he is talking about pro-Zionist/pro-Israel American Jews. But it was careless even so -- it gave Rep an excuse to censor it, and basically it's a waste of everyone's time to have to parse a statement like that down to the nano level to determine whether or not Hordon hates "Jews" which I really don't think he does. It would be better for everyone if ambiguous phrases like "American Jewry" were tossed on the trash heap.

    juandelacruz's picture

    I think even the term

    I think even the term Zionist is too broad a brush to refer to the conspirators, but I do not know of a better term to encapsulate the concept of that group which did the deed. Zionism deserves a lot of criticism as is, but we usually (not always) use the term within the 9-11 context to refer to the conspirators who are actively pro Israel. Neo-con is another broad and imperfect term but they are a smaller lot since the word is usually associated with Neo conservatives who held office or were influential in politics whereas Zionist covers a wider diversity of people (such as Christian Zionists).

    gretavo's picture

    good point!

    Terms like "American Jewry" first of all sound like something that would have been said a hundred years ago (and was!) It also serves Zionist purposes by reinforcing the nonsense that Jews are all "one big family" that must stick together or perish in the face of a world that will always seek their eradication. Indeed Zionism and Nazism are two sides of one coin--one side pushes away and threatens while the other side pulls in and welcomes (and stokes the fear of the other side.)

    One pretty clear aspect of the 9/11 cover-up is to enlist the support of anyone identifying as Jewish by making them think that "truthers" are out to pin the crimes in their entirety on Jews generally. This makes Jews unwilling to even consider what the real truth might be. Contrast this with Bush calling Islam a religion of peace after 9/11. Indeed, one of the most important aspects of the false case against arabs and muslims was the stressing of the innocence of the group as a whole, the pseudo-magnanimous "forgiveness" of the innocent which served to comfort a large segment of people who otherwise could and should have been at the forefront of outrage over accusations based on manufactured, invented, or imagined evidence. Of course this was the "pulling" set up in opposition to the "pushing" of those who argued for rounding up every arab and muslim for questioning, etc.

    The Rabbis of the Talmud have taught us:

    A person should always draw people closer by means of his right hand, and push them aside with his left hand. (Sotah 47)

    It is an important lesson in human relationships. The stronger and more dominant feature of human interaction should be the drawing closer and friendship of people. But enough "push" must be included to allow for the retaining of individual self. Benevolence towards an independent individual creates bonds and bridges; towards a dependant person, it creates annexation and is overwhelming.

    http://www.aish.com/spirituality/kabbala101/Kabbala_12_-_Chesed_and_Gevurah_The_Two_Sided_Approach.asp

    juandelacruz's picture

    It is even plausible that

    It is even plausible that 9-11 might be developed to push American Jews to move to Israel. The way that hatred for Jews was cultivated in Germany by Zionists prior to WWII and made them accept transfer to Palestine.

    Annoymouse's picture

    why not take it down

    "I think he packaged "AIPAC" and "American Jewry" together in such a way that there is a strong implication that he is talking about pro-Zionist/pro-Israel American Jews."

    I can't give him that pass. I find it hard to believe that this person would be 'careless' and do the one thing that would destroy any and all credibility in the closing PS of his statement. As the critics eagerly await an anti-Jewish comment, he delivers in the PS?

    American Jewry means "All Jews In America" and the author insinuates that American Jews are involved in a scheme and are about to be exposed as grand conspirators in some historical plot.

    IMO, the "American Jewry" comment and the effect it had on the article and readers response is very much deliberate.

    It's careless that the comment made it onto this website in the first place and still remains up for discussion.

    gretavo's picture

    if we take it down how would we critique it?

    Anyone familiar with this site knows by now that we are perpetual targets for those who wish to make us out to be bigots. The reason for this is precisely because we are *not* bigots, and we ruin the illusion that "only bigots tolerate discussion of certain topics". So periodically someone will show up and post something in the apparent hope that we will say "Oh wow, yeah, look at how horrible those Jews are!" and instead what we do is expose the way that Zionism depends so much on anti-Jewish sentiment that Zionists are in fact active promoters of the very kind of things they decry. A nasty site called "Prothink" used to link to this site. When they began going over the top with clearly bigoted rhetoric, we called them out on their crap and--surprise!--they stopped linking to us. Finally, I'm not sure I even believe it was the real Robin Hordon who posted the comment above. Either way, it is more instructive (and constructive) to leave it up and discuss it than it is to disappear it.

    casseia's picture

    "Any and all credibility"

    Actually, his comment does not destroy any and all of his credibility. Sorry, but why should "Jewish" identity or "American Jewish" identity be above any critique? Whiteness is not. Maleness is not. On one level, people choose to identify as Jews and this is problematic given the fact that there is a rogue apartheid state running around claiming to be "THE Jewish State." It is not unreasonable to expect biases to come with identities (and then be pleasantly surprised when they are explicitly disconnected, as in the case of the Jewish women's protest of the Gaza War in Toronto.)

    Annoymouse's picture

    Re Jon Gold

    I had exactly the same impression about Gold as Hordon had. See here my little clash I had with Gold (and Arabesque), much to my surprise. It was my first incursion on American 9/11 soil so to speak after having participated on a Dutch libertarian forum.

    http://www.truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4608&postdays=0&postord...

    My nick there was 911-investigator.

    juandelacruz's picture

    Good luck to truthing in the

    Good luck to truthing in the Netherlands! I like your website and have had it bookmarked for some time.

    Nobody seems to have time to listen or read about 9-11 in the Philippines. My blog has very few visitors.

    casseia's picture

    Whoa... what blog?!

    What's your blog, JDLC? How did I miss this?

    juandelacruz's picture

    Hi Cas, I post stuff in

    Hi Cas,

    I post stuff in multiply along with my personal stuff. I do not post the link here coz of security concerns. I think the spooks consider WTCD a lot more potent with all the good people here. But I try to post the best news on 9-11 whenever I can.

    casseia's picture

    Okay...

    sounds sensible!