Debriefing From Our Interview With Kevin Barrett

gretavo's picture

link to ad-free interview
Hey all, RT here. First off, let me welcome any of Kevin's listeners who may be checking out our site for the first time! A lot has been going on lately, most notably the mass banning at 911Blogger of users who also are known to be regular posters here at WTCD. The banning was essentially a repeat of my own banning around this time last year from 911Blogger, which resulted from my ongoing disagreement with Jon Gold about, among other things, his and others' odd double standards whereby arab muslim hijackers are presumed guilty until proven innocent but billionaire Zionist leaseholders are presumed innocent until proven guilty, in Jon Gold's words "beyond a shadow of doubt."

Jon Gold and others at 911Blogger still claim to find evidence for demolition of the WTC with explosives less than conclusive, even in the case of WTC7. At the same time, they insist that the four flights on 9/11 were indeed hijacked by arab muslims as per the official conspiracy theory, Jon Gold going so far as to say that he has from the beginning been 100% convinced that AA77 was what hit the Pentagon.

Anyone following the truth movement in the last two years will recognize that these positions, those of asserting as undisputable fact that the flights were hijacked by arab muslims and as "speculation" the assertion that the twin towers and WTC7 were pre-rigged with explosives, are completely at odds with the mainstream of the 9/11 truth movement, most notably with the conclusions of its virtually undisputed #1 researcher David Ray Griffin. We are left to wonder then what justifies treating 911Blogger, a site that protects users like Jon Gold by banning his critics en masse, all the while promoting such obvious scams as the "Buy 20 copies of The Shell Game" scam as anything but "controlled opposition."

Kevin was very sympathetic to our position, and as a muslim who himself was recently banned from 911Blogger, raised the possibility of anti-arab muslim bias inherent in the banning policy at that site. At the same time, Kevin used the opportunity to express his concern for the trend for those within the truth movement to resort to personal attacks instead of strictly issue-based debate. As someone who disagrees with Kevin on his big-tent approach, I wish we had had more time to discuss the issue of how to deal with members of the truth movement who, to put it kindly, may not be acting in good faith. By condemning the practice of assigning guilt by association that led our users' and his own banning from 911Blogger, he was also defending his decision to associate with Jim Fetzer, who many in the movement, including myself, find difficult to understand.

Kevin suggested at the end of our chat with him that he may register here at WTCD. One thing I know about Kevin is that he is clearly very intelligent, and apparently quite genuinely a humanitarian, so I would welcome any contributions he could make to our lively and fearless forum.

A link to the archive of our interview will be posted as soon as it's available. Please use the comment section below to reply to what I have written here or to the content of the interview itself!

UPDATE: Here is a commercial free mp3 of our interview.

[Edit: RT = gretavo; Sara = casseia]

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gretavo's picture

anonymous commenting is back on

but they will still be moderated. to those with moderating privileges, please do not approve comments that are clear attempts to disrupt, intimidate, "expose", etc...

Big_D's picture

Gret, My IP's blocked.

I'm borrowing my neighbors wireless on my lap-top to type this. Says my IP's (%$*((&%#@@@#) been banned.

gretavo's picture

sorry--will fix

i'm sure everyone has noticed how bad the "errors" have gotten since the interview!

juandelacruz's picture

Hi RT, I think my IP is

Hi RT,

I think my IP is blocked as well. The past few days all I see is this "go back" page. Right now I am logged in through an anonym IP.

Please let my normal IP through unless you detected any malicious actions from that IP (if there was, it wasnt me :) )

juan

Scrubby's picture

Big_D,

i would not recommend to post your IP on a public forum like that...call me paranoid if u like;)

Big_D's picture

I genuinely appreciate your concern Scrubby.

Though the only people I'm truly concerned about probably already have it.

BTW, Gret & Cass, great interview.

casseia's picture

Thanks!

Gret is (allegedly) making a fancy video to go with it.

Scrubby's picture

yep

"Though the only people I'm truly concerned about probably already have it."

oh yes, its not like its hard to find out . What i had in mind was more the random-internet-attacker-idiot-type person for whom its like an invitation to copy-paste that IP into the new hakerzz-tool he downloaded from scriptkidddizz.org or something to deal with some personal issues. not the illuminati/nwo ;)

casseia's picture

Damn... that's an excellent summary

Thanks. I'll have more to add when I get a chance.

gretavo's picture

actually i failed to mention David Cole!

and the you-know-what-o-caust, though that certainly figured prominently in the interview, and in the banning from 911Blogger. Here, for easy access, is Jewish historian David Cole's tour of Auschwitz:

gulu's picture

Here is another interesting one

Its a little long but broken into parts .There are a lot of good points made of the many contradictions and impossibilities of the official narrative of the holo-what-ever-it-was. http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/ I personally think one third is still stetching the mumbers a bit but whow knows.I like the segment with Dr. Berman testifing before the Nuremburg show trial of Adolff Eichmann.At about 1:05 in the wmv format we see the Dr show a pair of little shoes.Listen to the translators voice.No bias their.No cross examination either.Pathetic

Annoymouse's picture

Imagine if someone walked into [gretavo]'s office at Harvard

And shot him in the face!

[EDIT: I wasn't going to post this from the anonymous comment queue but have reconsidered. The only thing I edited was to replace my real name, which the commenter used, with my screen name. -gReT]

gretavo's picture

death threat info...

Details

URL http://www.wtcdemolition.com/blog/comment/reply/1318/12318
Title
Referrer http://wtcdemolition.com/blog/comment/reply/1318/12318
Date Saturday, July 26, 2008 - 11:38
User Annoymouse
Hostname 91.121.102.64

 

screenshot: http://wtcdemolition.com/threatIP.jpg

WHOIS info:

Query the RIPE Database Search for Switch to the RIPE TEST Database % This is the RIPE Whois query server #1. % The objects are in RPSL format. % % Rights restricted by copyright. % See http://www.ripe.net/db/copyright.html % Note: This output has been filtered. % To receive output for a database update, use the "-B" flag. % Information related to '91.121.64.0 - 91.121.127.255' inetnum: 91.121.64.0 - 91.121.127.255 netname: OVH descr: OVH SAS descr: Dedicated Servers descr: http://www.ovh.com country: FR admin-c: OK217-RIPE tech-c: OTC2-RIPE status: ASSIGNED PA mnt-by: OVH-MNT source: RIPE # Filtered role: OVH Technical Contact address: OVH SAS address: 140, Quai du Sartel address: 59100 Roubaix address: France admin-c: OK217-RIPE tech-c: GM84-RIPE nic-hdl: OTC2-RIPE remarks: ======================================== remarks: support : support@ovh.com remarks: 0 899 701 761 (france only) remarks: ======================================== remarks: troubles: remarks: + network : abuse@ovh.net remarks: + spam : http://www.spam-rbl.com remarks: ======================================== remarks: peering : noc@ovh.net remarks: prefix 213.186.32.0/19 remarks: prefix 213.251.128.0/18 remarks: - FreeIX (1Gbs) 213.228.3.244 remarks: - PariX (1Gbs) 198.32.247.104 remarks: - SfinX (1Gbs) 194.68.129.144 remarks: ======================================== abuse-mailbox: abuse@ovh.net mnt-by: OVH-MNT source: RIPE # Filtered person: Octave Klaba address: OVH SAS address: 140, quai du sartel address: 59100 Roubaix address: France phone: +33 3 20 20 09 57 fax-no: +33 3 20 20 09 58 nic-hdl: OK217-RIPE abuse-mailbox: abuse@ovh.net mnt-by: OVH-MNT source: RIPE # Filtered % Information related to '91.121.0.0/17AS16276' route: 91.121.0.0/17 descr: OVH ISP descr: Paris, France origin: AS16276 mnt-by: OVH-MNT source: RIPE # Filtered % Information related to '91.121.0.0/16AS16276' route: 91.121.0.0/16 descr: OVH ISP descr: Paris, France origin: AS16276 mnt-by: OVH-MNT source: RIPE # Filtered

Tahooey's picture

probably an anonymizer

I ran a trace to the ip and it terminates at something called privacyfoundation.de:

 8  * * *
 9  020G.rbx-2-6k.routers.ovh.net (213.186.32.201)  172.392 ms  172.722 ms  172.941 ms
10  rbx-31-m1.routers.ovh.net (213.251.191.216)  173.075 ms  172.980 ms  172.841 ms
11  gpftor3.privacyfoundation.de (91.121.102.64)  172.971 ms  172.734 ms  172.381 ms

juandelacruz's picture

hi Tahooey,I got this

hi Tahooey,

I got this problem here where I can't view WTCD from my ISP account unless I use an anonymizer. Does this thing ever happen? I got RT to remove my IP from the blocked list and it wasn't even in the list.

The only thing I get is this page that says "go back!"

It has this code:

[!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"]
[HTML]
[HEAD]
[META HTTP-EQUIV="CONTENT-TYPE" CONTENT="text/html; charset=windows-1252"]
[TITLE][/TITLE]
[META NAME="GENERATOR" CONTENT="OpenOffice.org 1.1.0 (Win32)"]
[META NAME="CREATED" CONTENT="20080126;8592223"]
[META NAME="CHANGED" CONTENT="20080126;9043479"]
[/HEAD]
[BODY LANG="en-US" DIR="LTR"]

[P][FONT SIZE=7 STYLE="font-size: 80pt">go back![/FONT][/P]
[/BODY]
[/HTML]

(I changed the '<' and '>' characters)

Tahooey's picture

Hi Juan -

Hi Juan -

not sure where that 'go back' comes from -

can you get to the site if you go directly to the ip address http://70.47.30.95 ?

try to ping the site from a command (DOS) prompt and see if you can ping it - in the command prompt type "ping wtcdemolition.com" and then "ping 70.47.30.95" see if you get normal responses or an error.

I wonder who is your ISP and if there's any chance they'd be actively blocking the site? 

juandelacruz's picture

hi, i still get the same

hi,

i still get the same "go back" page when I enter the IP of wtcd.

I can ping www.wtcdemolition.com

and get a response from 70.47.30.95

juandelacruz's picture

I will contact my ISP

I will contact my ISP technical support later but will try to document this thing first just in case somebody is targetting my account with some website diverting scheme.

dicktater's picture

Hey Juan

Are you using your ISPs DNS servers picked up by DHCP? If so, you could try and define your own. Usually, the DNS entries for a router can be modified. Same as the DNS entries for your ehternet adapter. These have served me well and are easy to remember:

dns1 4.2.2.2
dns2 4.2.2.3

If you are using Winders XP/2K, try flushing your DNS resolver cache. Run the following at a command prompt:

ipconfig /flushdns

juandelacruz's picture

Hi dicktater, I used to use

Hi dicktater,

I used to use a public DNS, I tried to use the ISPs default DNS after RT and I tried to solve the problem last night but the web page still appears.

I will flushdns now and see what happens.

thanks

juandelacruz's picture

I tried the flushdns, still

I tried the flushdns, still getting the go back page.

I can even write whatever folder or file into my browser and I get the same page as long as it points to wtcdemolition.com such as:

http://www.wtcdemolition.com/myownfolder/wateverfile.htm

All other websites are not affected.

juandelacruz's picture

I tried clicking on the link

I tried clicking on the link to the fake file above, but going through the proxy server. I got the go back page.

This makes me think the "go back!" page exists in the real WTCD server.

Somehow I always end up on that page when not using a proxy server.

gretavo's picture

the go back page

does I think exist on the server, it was an error page that i modified I think. But no IPs are currently being blocked... weird!

Big_D's picture

Juan, The message I received...

when my IP was blocked was in no uncertain terms "Your IP (example IP) has been banned". I've NEVER seen the "go back" page you describe, just the "hiccup" page.

juandelacruz's picture

hi big_d, We already figured

hi big_d,

We already figured out that i wasnt blocked when gret removed them and i still could not view the website directly.

I think u can look at the 'go back' page by entering a nonexistent page like

www.wtcdemolition.com/fakefolder/fakefile.htm

Tahooey's picture

hey Juan - good morning

yep now i see the go back page (generated by openoffice) on that link you posted!

seems pretty strange; have you tried an alternate browser (firefox instead of IE or vice versa)

juandelacruz's picture

hi, i have tried firefox

hi,

i have tried firefox and opera, also a symbian browser.

9-11 Family Guy's picture

ok I've deleted...

I mean Gretavo has deleted the 403.shtml page, the "go back!" page. Now what happens (he asks...)?

juandelacruz's picture

Thanks family guy, now I get

Thanks family guy, if i enter this url (w/no proxy):

http://www.wtcdemolition.com/blog/

I get this page:

Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /blog/ on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
Apache/2.2.8 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.8 OpenSSL/0.9.8g mod_auth_passthrough/2.1 mod_bwlimited/1.4 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635 Server at www.wtcdemolition.com Port 80

--------------
Im just glad its a page in the server and not some gee wheeze cloak and dagger stuff.

Sorry to take your time RT

gretavo's picture

oh crap, my sincere apologies...

I had blocked a few IPs including yours, not through Drupal but through the site's main control panel. I did that when I couldn't get into the IP manager in Drupal because of all the errors... SORRY Juan!

juandelacruz's picture

No problemo

No problemo RT,

I can now login without a proxy server, thanks!

Good job with the KB interview :)

Tahooey's picture

hey Gretavo

is 'go back' the message from your site to a user whose ip is blocked?

I don't quite have the super powers I used to or I'd block myself on one ip just to see. 

gretavo's picture

it used to be the error page but it was replaced by the hiccup

page. i'll reinstante your superpowers, sorry bout that.

juandelacruz's picture

my ISP is Smartbro of Smart

my ISP is Smartbro of Smart Communications in the Philippines.

Thanks and take care.

dicktater's picture

G, please don't dally on this!

Get in touch with them ASAP!

I really, really, really don't think that someone being able to issue death threats whilst hiding behind this organization was the original intent of the site creators. Rather, they wanted to facilitate access to information.

German Privacy Foundation eV
Postfach 610243 PO Box 610243
10923 Berlin 10923 Berlin
E-Mail: info@privacyfoundation.de E-mail: info@privacyfoundation.de
Internet: www.privacyfoundation.de Internet: www.privacyfoundation.de

Here is a link to a translation of the home page. Only the links on the home page will work. Interior links are likely to not be translated:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.privacyfo...

Their "mission statement", of sorts. Each sentence below is followed by google's english translation.

Club Profile
Der Schutz der Privatsphäre ist ein hohes Gut. The protection of privacy is a great good. Die zunehmende Überwachung der Kommunikation erfordert das Recht auf und den Schutz der Privatsphäre. The increased monitoring of communications requires the law and the protection of privacy. Die Freiheit in der digitalen Welt muss verteidigt werden. The freedom in the digital world must be defended. Das Recht auf ungehinderte Kommunikation ist ein Menschenrecht, das Recht auf informationelle Selbstbestimmung, also auch auf Anonymität, ein unverzichtbares Bürgerrecht und eine Grundfeste des Datenschutzes. The right to unhindered communication is a human right, the right to informational self-determination, including anonymity, an essential civil rights and a foundation of data protection. Jeder hat das Recht, selbst zu entscheiden, welche Informationen er oder sie über sich selbst preisgibt. Everyone has the right to decide for themselves what information he or she preisgibt about themselves. Solange nicht ein staatliches Gesetz oder die Rechte anderer entgegenstehen, kann jeder Mensch sein Recht auf informationelle Selbstbestimmung in der Form ausüben, dass er anonym auftritt und sich insbesondere im Internet anonym bewegt. Unless a state law or the rights of others oppose, any man his right to informational self-determination in the form of exercise that he anonymously occurs, and particularly the Internet anonymously moves.

Der gemeinnützige Verein German Privacy Foundation eV informiert über sichere Kommunikation im Internet und organisiert und unterstützt Weiterbildungs- und Aufklärungmaßnahmen für Erwachsene und Jugendliche. The non-profit association German Privacy Foundation eV information on secure communications on the Internet and organizes and supports training and awareness-raising activities for adults and adolescents. Wir sind Spezialisten für Anfragen zu den Themen Kryptographie (insbesondere Verschlüsselung von E-Mails) und Anonymität im Internet (zum Beispiel Tor-Server, Java Anon Proxy, anonyme Remailer). We are specialists for inquiries on the subject cryptography (especially encryption of e-mails) and anonymity on the Internet (for example, Tor servers, Java Anon proxy anonymous remailer).

Die GPF eV betreibt die TOR-Server gpfTOR1-4, die Remailer gpfa und The GPF eV operates the TOR server gpfTOR1-4, and the remailer gpfa
gpfc sowie einen I2P-Router. gpfc and a I2P router.

Die Mitglieder des Vorstands und die Mitglieder verpflichten sich, über Vereinsangelegenheiten ausschließlich verschlüsselt - das bedeutet: abhörsicher - zu kommunzieren. The members of the Board and the members commit themselves on club matters only secure - that is tap-proof - kommunzieren. Wir reden nicht nur über Datenschutz, sondern praktizieren ihn konsequent. We do not just talk about privacy, but practicing it consistently. Wir arbeiten eng mit Journalisten- und Bürgerrechtsorganisationen zusammen und wollen erreichen, dass das Thema "Sicherheit im Internet" besser und sachgerechter in den Medien dargestellt wird. We work closely with journalists and civil rights organizations and want to ensure that the theme of "Safer Internet better and properly represented in the media.

Zu unserem Verein gehören unter anderem IT-Fachleute, Juristen und Journalisten. Our association include IT experts, lawyers and journalists.

Profile (Vereinsprofil - englische Fassung) Profiles (Association profile - English version)
The protection of personal privacy is paramount. The protection of personal privacy is paramount. In an an environment of increased communications surveillance, the right to, and the protection of, personal privacy must be available. In an an environment of increased communications surveillance, the right to, and the protection of, personal privacy must be available. The personal liberties in the digital world must be defended. The personal liberties in the digital world must be defended. The right to communicate without restrictions is a basic human right, the right to control one's personal data, including anonymity, a cornerstone of data protection. The right to communicate without restrictions is a basic human right, the right to control one's personal data, including anonymity, a cornerstone of data protection. Everybody has the right to freely decide, what he or she is willing to disclose about themselves. Everybody has the right to freely decide, what he or she is willing to disclose about themselves. Within the framework of laws and other peoples rights, everyone is able to control one's personal data by using the veil of anonymity, especially while accessing the Internet. Within the framework of laws and other peoples rights, everyone is able to control one's personal data by using the veil of anonymity, especially while accessing the Internet.

The non-profit German Privacy Foundation informs about secure ommunications on the Internet as well as organizes and supports informational and educational campaigns for adults and teenagers. The non-profit German Privacy Foundation informs about ommunications secure on the Internet as well as organizes and supports informational and educational campaigns for adults and teenagers. We are specialists for requests in regard to cryptology (especially encryption of email) and anonymity on the Internet (tor-server, Java Anon Proxy, anonymous re-mailer). We are specialists for requests in regard to cryptology (especially encryption of email) and anonymity on the Internet (tor-server, Java Anon proxy, anonymous re-mailer).

Members of the board as well as ordinary members are obligated to communicate organizational matters only via encrypted (protected from eavesdropping) mail. Members of the board as well as ordinary members are obligated to organizational matters only communicate via encrypted (protected from eavesdropping) mail. We don't just talk about data protection, we practice what we preach. We do not just talk about data protection, we practice what we preach. We cherish close cooperation with journalists and civil liberties organizations in order to achieve a better understanding of "Internet Security" in the media. We cherish close cooperation with journalists and civil liberties organizations in order to achieve a better understanding of "Internet Security" in the media.

Our organization has, among others, IT specialists, lawyers, journalists as members. Our organization has, among others, IT specialists, lawyers, journalists as members.

German Privacy Foundation German Privacy Foundation

whitey's picture

Thanks for enabling my

Thanks for enabling my comments again. I didn't have much to say so I never bothered with hopping onto another wifi point to let you know my permissions were b0rked.

As far as threats go, they're just letting us know that we're drilling the right teeth ;). Personally I keep my .45 ACP 1911 close by. It's your call as to how you handle your own protection bro. It is my belief that every human has the right to self defense which includes carrying a gun (we see what the Bolsheviks did to the unarmed peasants...). I'm a firm believer in the Zero Aggression Principle (ZAP). The initiation of violence is unjust and may be met with deadly force. It's simply to be expected that the threats will come when you're speaking the truth.

I personally vouch that if any thing ever happens (overt assaults and "accidents") to any of my fellow truth seekers/speakers that I will do my utmost to bring the offenders to justice.

Big_D's picture

As opposed to "beyond any reasonable doubt"...

which we "Peasants" are subject to.

Yep, The JDL Goon (interesting anagram, huh?) and his ilk are pretty fucking tranparent.

larry horse's picture

looking forward to hearing you guys

with a saturday morning cup of coffee. i'm sure you won't disappoint. as far as Kevin posting here - YES, that'd be great. even if we/you/us/they agree to disagree on certain issues, at least he's got a wicked sense of humor for a cheesehead.

Annoymouse's picture

listened

good job.

I think conflating holocaust revisionism w/911 Truth is best served by drawing parallels between the 2 events as social control hoaxes. An innocent population VICTIMIZED by pure evildoers without cause. A people terrorized by a "shadowy outside enemy" into blindly supporting their leader/protectors. A fable of good vs evil. A foundational myth giving carte blanche "justification" for further acts of evil, from behind a "VICTIM" facade. You get the idea.

But even then, it's really only for the intermediate/advanced Truther whose mind is newly fertilized by acceptance of 911 Truth. Yes, an intensive study of the deep politics behind how the US/West came to have a ZOG, and why our ZOG perpetrated 911, will invariably beg questions about the holocaust narrative. BUT, regardless of whether we're 100% right about holocaust revisionism, if someone you seek to "reach" about 911 is still a total blue-piller, given that holocaust revisionism has been uniquely demonized through our lives such that it's a much more entrenched engineered memeplex than the 911/warrenterruh hoax, the blue-piller will likely balk once 911 Truth & H. revisionism are conflated. Thus it would most likely serve as no-planes/space-beams are designed to serve, IE evoke that conditioned response of buzz-click dismissal in brainwashed blue-pillers, keeping their head safely in the sand. So it's arguably a wise "political strategy" in seeking critical mass for 911 Truth, to keep H. revisionism far away from entry-level 911 Truth, and let people's own self-guided journey down the rabbit hole lead them to H. revisionism if they're so inclined. It frankly takes a pretty exceptional person to overcome the generations of propaganda surrounding the holocaust narrative. Makes disseminating 911 Truth a more uphill battle than it needs to be.

Ditto re the Apollo/moon matter.

casseia's picture

Good post...

I agree with your analysis and probably with your prescription. The problem is that there are lots of 9/11 Truthers who *will* bring up the Holocaust -- in order to support the established narrative. That's one reason the prohibition against Holocaust discussion at 911blogger in the past was so hypocritical -- it was never invoked to get someone to stop reiterating the official version of events, only alternatives or skepticism. (At least now the policy specifically refers to Holocaust revisionism and not only the Holocaust per se -- it's at least transparent.)

I would like to point out, however, that the acronym "ZOG" ("Zionist Occupation Government" as I understand it) is one of those terms that immediately pushes buttons for a lot of anti-racists because of its association with white supremacist populism. I'm not suggesting that you mean it in a racist fashion -- the rest of your post sounds pretty non-asshole -- but it's good to be aware of. Actually, "ZOG" makes me cringe.

Lazlo Toth's picture

Hello Anonymous Mouse (if that is your real name),

On all of your points, I completely agree with you. Thanks for your excellent input.

And yes, Casseia, I do agree on coming up with a better terminology to more accurately explain certain situations, rather than being lazy (I’m guilty) and using acronyms like ZOG, which does, I’ll admit, have a certain KKKesque connotation, no doubt. I rather like James Petras’ ZPC (‘Zionist Power Configuration’) acronym, which is much more accurate and certainly more arguable. The ZPC idea, by definition, also automatically eliminates the innocent, “non-power configuration” members of the “Jewish community.” Also, the “Occupied” part of the ZOG idea is playing on a popularly held notion of “Occupation,” or “military occupation,” which in the sense of what is happening in Washington, D.C., is not quite accurate. What is actually happening is fairly unique, and is far more subtle and complicated than a mere “occupation.”

As far as the Apollo moon landing being true or false, it really doesn’t matter to me either way. Buddha said the whole world is ultimately a fleeting illusion, so I think someone should check out that “conspiracy” – God’s little cave shadow show. One second, it’s there, and the next, it ain’t.

gretavo's picture

hear it here...

Annoymouse's picture

2 suggestions

Since you went by "RT" on the show, identify yourself as RT in the opening spiel above... for the noobs, you know.

2nd, if you have the means, capture the audio, edit out the breaks, and put up an mp3 of your hour. If I knew how to do this I'd provide such an mp3. The "on demand" stream plays both hours, with the breaks. I don't listen to GCN streams but I was struck today by the extraordinary signal-to-noise ratio with those incessant breaks! Felt like it was a 50-50 ratio of show to commercial.

casseia's picture

Yeah, the commercials were completely out of control...

I was especially aware of them when I was listening to hour 1. I don't blame Kevin for making this "deal with the devil" (or water filter/canned food guy) in order to deliver his show to an audience, but it reconfirms for me the idea that the well-publicized, ad-free podcast is the way to go. (Or, like Dan Savage's, only allowing one public-service oriented ad.)

It's a ratio of 40 minutes of content to 20 minutes of ads but it sounds worse than that, doesn't it?

dicktater's picture

Kevin Barret Interview MP3

With all new commercials. <:-P

0725082final.mp3 10,760.24 Kb

http://www.webfilehost.com/?mode=viewupload&id=991022

Maybe Gret will snag it and give it a more permanent home here.

P45's picture

Thanks dicktater

And very well done RT and Cass. If your rationale doesnt appeal to anyone keen on the reinstatement and preservation of full disclosure justice then they need to take a look at themselves or the people they're listening to.

gretavo's picture

Fake OKC Bombing "Truth" Site

Kevin mentions speaking to a Chris Emery from okcbombing.net about Atta being in OKC before 9/11. That is an interesting site, and by interesting I mean complete and utter obvious bullcrap. They deny explosives were planted in the Murrah building (they suggest the government was keeping a missile somewhere above the day care center) and claim the conspiracy being hidden is--you guessed it! DA MOOOOOZLIMSSS DID IT!! With help from white supremacists of course. Here's a sample...

Lily Whites' Recruited to Carry Out OKC
Bombing
A congressional task force investigating the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing had information suggesting that Islamic plotters recruited two "lily whites" - non-Middle Easterners with no connection to prior terrorist activity - to carry out the attack ultimately perpetrated by Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, according to a report broadcast late Saturday.

Government had missile in Murrah Building
WASHINGTON - When Timothy McVeigh blew up the Oklahoma City federal building, the government had a TOW antitank missile stowed in a locker several floors above the daycare center.

Lawsuit: Iraq Knew of 9/11 Attacks
NEW YORK -- A lawsuit filed Wednesday claims Iraq knew Osama bin Laden was targeting the Pentagon and New York City prior to Sept. 11 and that it sponsored terrorists for a decade to avenge its defeat in the Gulf War.

http://okcbombing.net/news_articles.htm

Annoymouse's picture

Right

Muslims never commit crimes - only JEWS!

gretavo's picture

more signs that Israel was involved in OKC bombing

Again in 2002, Davis’s ally, Attorney David Schippers, was contacted by Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert’s office. Schippers offered to provide witnesses for the Speaker but Hastert broke off contact. Also, that same year, Indiana Congressman Dan Burton’s Government Reform Committee “feigned” interest as a result of political pressure exerted back home. Burton even went so far as to send staffers to Oklahoma to interview witnesses. Unfortunately, Ms. Davis reports that, “All the witnesses complained that the congressional representatives came across as apathetic, posing only superficial questions, avoiding the topic of possible FBI malfeasance altogether.”

But not all of government’s beauracrats and politicians were deaf to Davis’s pleadings. In 1996 she contacted the then-acting director of the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare, Israeli-born Yossef Bodansky. Bodansky is an expert on terrorism and the author of the best selling book Terror: The Inside Story of the Terrorist Conspiracy in America. Bodansky conducted his own investigation of the Oklahoma bombing and corroborated Davis’s witnesses’ testimony regarding the suspects. He also provided information concerning the recruitment of “lily whites” to be used in future terrorist strikes, Osama bin Laden’s “outreach” into the American heartland, terrorist training facilities in Chicago, and the independent Israeli/ATF report of the Oklahoma City bombing that declared “…the bomb which destroyed the Murrah building was constructed by Arab terrorists or people trained by Arab terrorists.”

http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article3617.html

From AJR, June 1995
Jumping to Conclusions in Oklahoma City?

By Penny Bender Fuchs
Penny Bender Fuchs is director of career placement and professional development at the Phillip Merrill College of Journalism at the University of Maryland.

Ibrahim Ahmad sat quietly behind an array of microphones, reluctant to talk to yet another crush of reporters about how for a single day the world thought he had blown up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. Ahmad, a Jordanian American, had been traveling from his Oklahoma City home to Jordan on April 19, the day the 4,800-pound bomb ripped through the building, killing more than 160 people.

Scooped up in the FBI's initial dragnet, he was questioned in Chicago, and then again in London, where British authorities grilled him for six hours. "When they said, 'You are under arrest in connection with the bombing,' I thought that was the end of the world for me," he told reporters.

But it soon became clear that domestic right-wing extremists were the prime suspects in the case. Did the media jump too quickly to speculate that the bombing was the work of Middle Eastern terrorists? Or were they simply reporting what federal law enforcement presumed for the first day-and-a-half after the explosion?

Either way, "they blew it," says Jeff Cohen, executive director of Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR), a liberal watchdog group that monitored coverage of the bombing. No matter what law enforcement said behind the scenes, the press went overboard on the Middle East angle and underplayed other scenarios, he contends.

Within hours of the bombing, most network news reports featured comments from experts on Middle Eastern terrorism who said the blast was similar to the World Trade Center explosion two years earlier. Newspapers relied on many of those same experts and stressed the possibility of a Middle East connection.

The Wall Street Journal, for example, called it a "Beirut-style car bombing" in the first sentence of its story. The New York Post quoted Israeli terrorism experts in its opening paragraph, saying the explosion "mimicked three recent attacks on targets abroad."

http://www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=1980

Yet Sherrow concludes that since there was so much collateral damage (damage to the surrounding buildings) the truck-bomb must have been responsible. "The collateral damage just discounts his (Partin's) material," says Sherrow.

Two experts who seem to agree with Sherrow are Dorom Bergerbest-Eilom and Yakov Yerushalmi. The Israeli bomb experts were brought to Oklahoma at the request of ATF agent Guy Hamal. According to their report, the bomb was an ANFO bomb boosted with something more powerful… and it had a Middle Eastern signature.(32)

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/hoffman.htm

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Man, that term "lily-white" really bugs the shit out of me...

especially in this context. I wonder if Yakov is any relation of David's? Perhaps it's a common name.

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so aside from the insults and death threats, what was the result

of our interview with KB about 911B?

The student scholars come to their senses and drop the whole 9/11 truth thing (good call kids!)

WWW.SST911.ORG DELETED: NEW ORGANIZATION TO FORM

And Jon Gold puts out yet another lets blame Bush and suggest that he ordered al Qaeda to strike in order to justify his, Rumsfeld's, and Cheney's war in Iraq.  No mention of Silverstein, Feith, Perle, Wolfowitz, ya know--the Zionists...  He also brilliantly throws in a "US media show Palestinians celebrating out of context" as a shield against accusations of anti-arab/muslim bias.  Let's be perfectly clear--Jon Gold has a PRO-ZIONIST bias, not anti-arab or muslim.  Got it?

The Grand Illusion

So the by now obvious controlled opposition psyop 911blogger.com continues to churn and spew its propaganda and we continue to be among the few credible sources calling into question their sincerity.  Any idea where they would be at this point were it not for us and others who call them out on their BS?  Who point out the ever more obvious fact that, as one truther recently put it, 911blogger seems to have been set up as a delivery vehicle for Jon Gold?

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From Kevin's website

"Holocaust Denial" and Double-Standards
by Kevin Barrett

Let me admit this upfront: My favorite newspaper is run by a bunch of holocaust deniers.

I'm not talking about the American Free Press or any other alternative publication. I'm talking about my favorite mainstream newspaper, the Capital Times of Madison, Wisconsin.

The Cap Times regularly informs its readers that the estimated number of Iraqi civilian deaths due to the US invasion and occupation is under 100,000. As of the most recent print edition, the number listed was 89,900. The sources listed are the Defense Department, iraqbodycount.org, and nationalpriorities.org.

The Lancet, one of the world's most prestigious medical journals, says the real number was over 650,000 back in 2006. That means that the real number, as of mid-2008, is well over a million. Combining that estimate with Australian physician Gideon Polya's historical study, we find that a total of 8.6 million Iraqis have been murdered by Anglo-American wars, interventions and sanctions since 1950.

Asked to explain the discrepancy between one million (The Lancet) and 89,900 (The Capital Times), editor Dave Zweifel said: "We've had this problem ever since we started running the damn thing. People keep calling us to tell us it isn't accurate...But it's the only one that is actually published on a regular basis. We understand that it isn't accurate, but I'm not sure the other estimates are accurate either. We're definitely not trying to downplay the casualty figures." (Interview with author, 7/24/08)

So why is downplaying the ongoing Iraq holocaust by 90% socially acceptable, even in a publication that editorially opposes the war...while mildly questioning the received account of the Nazi holocaust (ancient history by now) is not? As a Arabic speaker and a Muslim, I am aware — as most Americans are not — that in the Arab and Muslim worlds, a great many thoughtful, cultivated, and apparently well-informed people take a skeptical position regarding the standard Western version of the Holocaust narrative. For example, Mohamed Heikal, the widely-respected former Egyptian foreign minister, claims to have studied the question and concluded that fewer than one million Jews died in the Nazi holocaust.

Whatever the merits of Heikal's claim, the only reason people argue so passionately about the topic is the rarely-examined equation "holocaust justifies Israel." But obviously the holocaust does NOT justify Israel. Palestinians had nothing to do with the Nazi holocaust! What happened in Europe cannot possibly justify the theft of even one square inch of Palestinian land.

Personally, I am as willing to accept the Western historians' 6 million figure as I am to accept the Lancet's estimate of over one million Iraqi deaths due to the Anglo-American invasion. But I certainly am not about to try to drum the Capital Times and Mohamed Heikal out of polite society because they accept low-end estimates in disputed body counts. The only thing everyone should be able to agree on is that ALL body counts are politicized — and that free and open debate is the only way to eventually arrive at an approximation of the truth. Since those who support low-end figures for the Nazi holocaust alone, of all of the many holocausts and genocides, are silenced or imprisoned in most Western countries, it is reasonable to ask whether there has yet been any free and open debate on the subject.

Speaking of a lack of free and open debate...I am dismayed that one of my favorite websites, 911blogger.com, has continued its recent policy of silencing and expelling Muslims and those with views approximating those of the global Muslim mainstream, by suddenly banning all users who are also registered at the excellent website http://www.wtcdemolition.com. The reason given was that somebody at WTCdemolition.com linked to David Cole, a Jewish historian who has questioned the standard Western holocaust narrative.

Sara Lamadrid, a veteran 9/11 truth organizer, suggests that 911blogger's guilt-by-association smear of WTCdemolition.com (based on one obscure link!) is really motivated by Islamophobia. Sadly, I have to wonder whether she might be right. A few months ago, the only two Muslim regular posters at 911blogger, myself and John Leonard of Progressive Press, were banned from 911blogger, and the excuses for the banning in both cases were transparently ridiculous. (Allan Giles, who is now the sole Decider at 911blogger, claimed he was banning me because I had invited John Lear, a highly qualified pilot with some odd views, on my radio show. But Lear had already been on other 9/11-oriented shows run by non-Muslims, such as Rob Balsamo's, without any complaints from Allan.)

Meanwhile those who promote the ridiculous LIHOP "blame Pakistan" and "blame the Saudis" Islamophobic hang-outs have been endlessly promoted at Giles' new version of 911blogger; evidence implicating Israel and Zionists is off-limits; and people like Elias Davidsson, the son of Nazi holocaust survivors who proves there were no Muslim hijackers, and Jay Kolar, whose work supports Davidsson, are downplayed or ignored...while Muslim account-holders and those who share their perspectives are expelled. It is as if Giles and company are desperately trying to save the "blame the Muslims" core of the 9/11 psy-op, even after the official story has unraveled.

American society is so permeated with double-standards, so drenched in an ideology of Jewish superiority and Muslim inferiority, that people like Allan Giles of 911blogger can effectively ban all Muslims and Muslim-friendly perspectives and not only get away with it, but perhaps not even fully understand what they're doing. Islamophobia has become like the air we breathe — toxic, omnipresent, and unremarked-on.

from http://www.barrettforcongress.us/lamadrid.htm

Saw this posted also on this site: http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/170403

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Thanks jdlc

I saw it on some scary-looking (jk) website with Arabic script, too. I haven't googled my name recently... maybe I should...

casseia's picture

Hmmm...

Interesting. My name is pretty uncommon but not unique.

juandelacruz's picture

I found the article while

I found the article while doing a security check of my own on google. I think reprecensors name is there as well. If you want to take them out, just delete the post or delete the names.