Tough Guy Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF), Taking on Little Kids, Women, and the Elderly for 60 Years

Lazlo Toth's picture

A 10-year-old boy was subjected to physical abuse amounting to torture for 2.5 hours by Israeli soldiers who stormed his family’s shop on 11 June, seeking information on the location of a [non-existent] handgun. The boy was repeatedly beaten, slapped and punched in the head and stomach, forced to hold a stress position for half and hour, and threatened. He was deeply shocked and lost two molar teeth as a result of the assault.

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http://www.uruknet.de/?p=m45397&hd=&size=1&l=e

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petros's picture

Lazlo, is there a way to contact you directly?

I'd like to be able to share some thoughts and feelings with you, privately. Would email be a good venue?

Here's how to contact me - I have two main addresses:

petros@cyprus-org.net

and

ttetpos@yahoo.com

Thanks!

Petros Evdokas

Lazlo Toth's picture

Sorry Petros,

I do so wish that the world were more normal, as it once seemed to have been before 9/11, but the highly controversial, complicated, and dangerous subject matter I have chosen to deal with as an activist blogger, i.e. Israel’s role in 9/11 and the “war on terror,” prevents me from providing personal contact info to my blogging colleagues in the 9/11 truth movement. This is not done out of stand-offishness, unfriendly, or anti-social attitudes. It is unfortunately a necessity born of concern for personal and family safety. This seems to be how all undergrounds work. Even Menachem Begin, as commander of the Irgun (IZL), did not meet face-to-face many of his own underground fighters until the very day when all the battles were over, the IZL was disbanded, and his forces (“his boys”) became an official part of the newly formed IDF in the new State of Israel. Because of the Hebrew underground’s tight compartmentalization, it was near impossible for British Intelligence to penetrate their organizations. They avoided all British penetration from the outside, and only had three people in 25 years actually defect “from the inside” to work for the British against the Zionist underground. Although I am part of a small (non-violent) info-activist group, we have all been friends for decades, and do not even interact with the local 9/11 truth group or go to their meetings, for the very same reasons as stated above. Again, this is for safety and it keeps out all agents-provocateurs, which I hear the local 9/11 group is having to deal with on a fairly regular basis. Anyways, I hope you understand this and will not take it personally. You are a good soul and I am happy that you are fighting for truth and human justice. I know from your left-wing peace movement perspective, I must occasionally come off sounding quite angry and quasi-violent, but my anger with the darkest of human injustices is actually born out of love and compassion, as crazy as that may sound. When I see heavily armed IDF soldiers kicking the living crap out of little kids and shooting Muslim schoolgirls down in the street from sniper’s nests, it just makes my blood boil. As far as my frustration with the dark, immoral paths that Zionism has chosen to walk down, I must tell you that I like the Jewish people very much, and am intimately connected to them. It is the elitist, violent and militant leadership that I have serious problems with, as all Jews of conscience do. If Israelis do not like the image of their country being compared to that of the Nazis, then they should cease acting as such in the occupied territories. Don’t like being called a Nazi terror state? Then stop acting like one. It’s that simple, and no hot Haifa bikini girl PR campaigns are going to make al-Nakba disappear. Most Jewish people I know also feel the same and are absolutely, profoundly ashamed and embarrassed by this whole gruesome situation. If Israel and its U.S. vassal nuke Iran, then that, I’m afraid, will be the end of Israel, and all the smart, non-fanatical Jews are well aware of this, but does the media give the concerns of the rational majority a voice? Absolutely not. I pray for peace and justice, but do not expect it, because in this world, “the crazies” are all in charge.

Peace to you and yours, my brother.

Annoymouse's picture

we love you for who you aren't

truth meetups? c'mon. never. about as stupid as marching through the streets telling bush to get out of iraq. we have evolved.

gretavo's picture

so true

well put, mouse!

petros's picture

Lazlo, I understand

Lazlo and Friends,

You may have seen from my personal profile that I spent some years of
my youth in the clandestine resistance, and I know first hand the need
for protection and security.

I respect your choice and your decision to remain an "incognito mosquito", for now at least.

There do exist, however, some routes of safety provided by modern technology, and if you decide you might like to exchange some untraceable emails with me (or anyone else) I've included some information below on how to do it. I'd be very happy to hear from you!

On Affinity groups

You wrote:
"...I am part of a small (non-violent) info-activist group, we have all
been friends for decades, and do not even interact with the local 9/11
truth group or go to their meetings, for the very same reasons as
stated above. Again, this is for safety and it keeps out all
agents-provocateurs, which I hear the local 9/11 group is having to
deal with on a fairly regular basis."

I agree that forming small affinity groups of activists who know each
other and are able to act, grow and inter-ferment together is the best
way to go, and produces units of creativity and resistance that far
surpass most other forms of organization. I wrote a little more about
this here:

"Trying to nail jello to a wall!"
http://wtcdemolition.com/blog/node/1182#comment-11248

On untraceable emails

Friends,
The information in this section will not remain valid "eternally" - its
validity keeps evolving, along with and in relation to the pace of
other security and information technologies plus the pace of
development in current social practices.

Please remember: do not use computers if you intend to break the law.

Within the current levels of reality, we can send untraceable emails
from online services called anonymous web proxies. Many of them are
free, secure, fast and efficient. Using them is PERFECTLY LEGAL.

Many of them come online, provide free service for awhile, vanish, and
then re-appear under new names. When you want to use a proxy, it's best
to do a fresh search with the terms "anonymous web proxy". Currently,
those operating in Japan seem to have wider legal maneuveuring space so
I'd recommend those. Many of them promote their ability to by-pass
filters on "MySpace" and on other popular websites, which is an
indication of extra power.

A proxy strips any electronic identifiers from your computer or your
location and replaces them with "disposable" numbers that can not be
traces back to you - most of the times they can not even be traced back
to the proxy. The best proxy services delete all information from their
records and do not retain archives or files of information about users.

This enables us to browse or send email without that activity leaving traces leading back to your computer, your area, or you.

How to do it
Using an anonymous web proxy, go to any free email service (for example
mail.yahoo.com), open an account there, and make sure to only access it
ALWAYS through proxies. NEVER visit that website through a browser
unprotected by a proxy.
Make sure to sign out of the account every time you do a transaction such sending an email, reading an email, etc.

Actually, that's all you need to do.
One service I've used recently in this way via yahoo's free email
service, and then verified that it really delivers what it promises, is
this:
http://www.ocrig.com/

There are hundreds of free proxies though, you might choose a new one
every day. Make sure to test and verify each one before you use it.

How to verify it
Get one of those free email accounts through a proxy, send an
untraceable letter to yourself, open it up, display the "Full Headers"
where all the electronic signatures accompanying the email are
registered, and try to trace it. You'll see that the origin of the
letter is in a state or country far away from you, and that there's no
way to find anything connecting you or the proxy to that letter.

Tracing the route of the email is done by checking all the numbers listed on the lines that begin with the word "Received".
There are many places where you can check those numbers for free, here's two examples:
http://samspade.org
and
http://tools.whois.net/whoisbyip/

Peace to you and yours - Enjoy!
Petros Evdokas
petros@cyprus-org.net
http://petros-evdokas.cyprus-org.net/Another-sort-of-Introduction.html
___________

gretavo's picture

if I were a super secret agent...

I would create a bunch of "anonymizing" web proxies. That way I could monitor all kinds of communications that people think are being kept secret but that in fact are being registered, logged, etc. If I were a mercenary with tech savvy I would do the same and then sell any good information I found to the highest bidder. If I were an organized crimester I would do it and selectively blackmail epople who revealed anything salacious over my "anonymizing" web proxy. I think my point should be obvious--you can't really trust anyone these days, can you! The best thing you can do if you're worried about stuff like this is a) don't do anything stupid like plot to commit crimes, period. b) make sure people around you know what you do and why, even if they disagree it behooves you to let them know where you stand and what kinds of things (i.e. terrorism) you don't support--not absolutely everyone, but enough of the people who you interact with on a regular basis. Now, if you are actually doing bad or illegal things (not including silly misdemeanor type things like placing truth stickers over commercial advertisements in public places,) this advice is not for you, and my advice to you would be to stop and reconsider your approach to life and activism.

Annoymouse's picture

Anti-Anon

"I pray for peace and justice, but do not expect it, because in this world, “the crazies” are all in charge."

The crazies run the show and the truth-tellers remain anonymous?

Lazlo, this is a view I've held for years. I am not espousing opinions based solely on your comments or your support for anonymity. My last comment to you was critical and I don't want you to think I'm 'picking on you'.

That said...

I am not sure how serious I can take research & researcher without an author willing to back it up by name. I've always been a huge fan of non-anonymous activism, especially now that the internet has given us an opportunity to organize in such a large non-face-to-face way. Especially when it relates to the subject of 9/11 Truth.

Non-anonymous activism creates an immediate aroma of truth & trust. I know that, at least, the author is willing to be an activist by name and be held accountable for their words. That says a lot to me. I realize this is just a small piece of mind...but it's a good start.

And about safety... How real is this threat? Is it paranoia? Have you received death threats or other threats of harm because you blog the truth? Probably not right? Because you are anonymous?

If that is the case, then how do you know this threat is even worth the effort to stay off the radar? Should the 'truth' be considered an 'underground'? Why?

Lazlo Toth
"This seems to be how all undergrounds work. Even Menachem Begin, as commander of the Irgun (IZL), did not meet face-to-face many of his own underground fighters."

Am I right that the IZL was an underground terrorist group? Did these groups plan & execute violent activities against their enemies? If so...

Is it fair to compare a terrorists need for anonymity with a bloggers need (or not) for anonymity? The truth should not have to hide. You might be better comparing yourself to MLK, or Gahndi and not a terrorist militant group of fanatics.

You see...I am supposed to believe that Lazlo Toth is part of a secret organization that believes their blogging topic requires anonymity for safety reasons. This 'underground' can blog the truth but can't do so publicly by name. Seems a bit hoaky and cloak n' daggerish to me.

About activist group infiltration.... it seems to me that anonymity would lead to easier infiltration. 9/11 Truth, a number of loosely affiliate activist groups weaved together by the internet gets hurt by anonymity.

I can't tell you how many times I felt as if 'bloggers' and commentators were using multiple screen names to push their own points. I've encountered this on every single activist website and the results are always negative.

At wtcdemolition.com some users post as multiple 'personalities' and refer to their other screen names as if they were talking to themselves. Even though this is a joke in most cases that I've seen, I think, again, anonymity produces negative effects.

On many activist websites posters will share user names & passwords with 'the clique', confuse visitors by jumping around and making comments to themselves, taking on 3,4,5 and more personas.

YT, a prominent activist (TruthAction.org) had 30 registered user-names on an activist website that I used to frequent!

It also creates, in my view, the feeling that there is a 'clique' of users who share inside jokes and make up the 'acceptable' view points for the website / activist group.

That is my view and I believe that the only way I'll find a 9/11 Activist organizing website that encourages or even requires non-anonymous activism is to start one myself.

Respectfully,
JPass

Lazlo Toth's picture

Thank you JPass for your comments on the anonymity of the 9/11

Truth Underground.

I have been involved in anti-war, anti-government activism since 1969. I was tear-gassed from the air by Army helicopters and beaten by National Guardsmen during the big Vietnam moratorium marches on the U.S. capitol. We were naive back then, believing in the unassailable rights of free political speech and assembly. We knew nothing of Cointelpro or FBI agents-provocateurs. We felt that we were protected by democratic laws and universal human rights. Those days are long gone. Everything may still appear normal to you right now, but things are about to change drastically in a big way. We are now in the highly deceptive calm right before the storm. Do you know what the various matters of discussion were at the closed, super-secret meetings of the U.S. House and Senate just a few weeks ago? The leaked information we are getting now comes from American public servants who are literally in shock. The ptb have been taking names and collecting numbers, so to speak, for a few years now. We are very near WWIII, American civil war, guerilla war, and “dissident round-up time.” They are seriously preparing for all these very real contingencies. Kellogg Brown & Root (KBR) didn’t build all those camps for nothing. I would really and truly love to tell you that this is just a paranoid fantasy, or Hollywood “cloak and daggers” game, but it is not. People in Tehran are, at the moment I write this, getting ready for a real nuclear war. Have you ever listened to the lyrics of the Talking Heads’ song “Life During Wartime”?

As far as your not trusting my research because I am presenting it anonymously, I am not asking you to trust me as an authority, and that is why I place easily checkable references at the end of my articles. I am just a messenger of information that you would not ordinarily get on the internets, i.e. I have access to one of the best university research libraries in North America. I am taking information that is available in books written by recognized scholars, digesting it, condensing it, and summarizing it for the online community. I do not do this work for fame or money. I do it so that my fellow global citizens may be informed about things related to 9/11 and its peripheral issues that the “mainstream” 9/11 truth blogs will not touch or discuss (at least not very much). Believe me JPass, I have a lot more artistically creative and fun things to do with my time. I have a 24-track recording studio in my house, and all the musical instruments (Western and non-Western) you could ever want (I am a multi-instrumentalist), but I never get to work in my studio these days because I have chosen to do this 9/11 writing-research project first, and believe you me I can’t wait until it’s over. Oh yeah, I have a lot of other (much more highly profitable and less controversial) books and screenplays I would like to write as well, but they are also on the proverbial back burners of the creative production stove.

As far as safety, death threats, and the like, if you take on the 9/11 thing as a USG-Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld kind of operation, you will probably be fine, but don’t quote me on that. However, if you take on AIPAC, Mossad, Shin Bet, et al., and try to promote researched information on that angle of 9/11, you should be prepared to possibly die, get kidnapped, tortured, or at least have your life and career ruined. Why do you think the U.S. Congress and Senate are so afraid of taking on AIPAC? Don’t believe me? Read Congressman Paul Findley’s real horror stories in They Dare to Speak Out or Walt & Mearsheimer’s The Israel Lobby. W & M have academic tenure. I do not. I am much more vulnerable than they are. If I showed you my face, gave you my name, told you what university I teach at, and what department I work in, I WOULD BE FIRED TOMORROW – GUARANTEED! This is not a “cloak and daggers” paranoid fantasy, it is A FACT OF MODERN ACADEMIC LIFE. I have seen colleagues fired and financially ruined because they spoke out against Israeli apartheid, and they didn’t even touch upon the FACT that Israel is a major operational partner in 9/11, along with their embedded neo-con sayanim inside the USG. This is not a fun little free-speech hippy anti-Vietnam War protest game JPass. Dr. Jones got fired and Dr. Barrett got fired, and they don’t even really cover the full Israeli angle on 9/11. They only point in its general direction. Their academic careers ARE OVER FOREVER. Do you know how difficult it is to get a teaching position in my field? REAL SUPER DIFFICULT. Do you know how many years and how much money it takes to get a PhD from a top university? If I show you my face and name, and lose my teaching job, can I and my family then sue you for 10 years worth of salary? Do you have that much money? In light of all this, if you really don’t trust my research or political instincts on 9/11, I really don’t give a damn, for you are a mere babe in the woods, but your growing up time is just around the corner.

As far as Menachem Begin’s IZL (Irgun Zvai Leumi) goes, they were considered violent terrorists by the British, but they considered themselves freedom fighters for the Hebrew people against the British imperialists who were occupying “their Biblically God-given land.” Though this may, in reality, be an illusion, it certainly was not an illusion in their minds, and for their people, and their concepts of Hebrew nationalism, they were ready to lay down their lives, which of course they actually did. Are you ready to lay down your life for the freedom of your countrymen? While I have my very serious criticisms about their ideology and methods, I do not doubt their sincerity and real heroism under actual fire. They fought and truly sacrificed their normal, comfortable lives for the “freedom of their people,” and for that, I do admire them in a strange kind of way. I will tell you one thing though, they really had their organizational shit totally together, and we do not. We are highly naïve. They were not. There are many, many valuable things that we can learn by studying the organizational and ideological history of the Hebrew underground in Palestine. Your country was also founded by “terrorists” and revolutionaries who were all “wanted” by the British Crown for high treason. General George Washington and his comrades had prices on their heads. That is what July 4th is all about, and don’t you forget that. America’s freedom was founded on the blood and bravery of revolutionaries and guerilla fighters.

And yes, as you shall soon see, the Truth is an Underground. Be careful, my good brother. Don’t be so naïve. They want you to keep your guard down, for then you will be so much easier to round up and shut up. That’s why there are websites like Facebook – “show your face and give us your info, there’s nothing to fear. You’re protected by the Constitution.” And if you believe that, I will sell you Gretavo’s “big blonde bridge” for only $100 dollar.

Respectfully,
your brother in informational arms

Lazlo Toth

casseia's picture

Uh oh.

"That’s why there are websites like Facebook – “show your face and give us your info, there’s nothing to fear. You’re protected by the Constitution.” And if you believe that, I will sell you Gretavo’s “big blonde bridge” for only $100 dollar."

There may be a big "something" to what you're saying here -- otoh, I know I came to the attention of "them" when I was 16-17 and and activist for the first time during the second Reagan election. About ten years ago, a retired, John Bircher Portland cop was busted for having kept Portland Police dossiers on groups and individuals -- including the affinity group I was in -- in his barn for years after a judge had ordered them destroyed. I'm sure I got on some kind of list back then.

I *do* think the tenure argument is highly persuasive, however.

kate of the kiosk's picture

the tenure argument

otoh...what's it going to take? i know anyone employed in the active military/law enforcement/academia, etc., who has done the research, now must live with that gnawing dilemma.

it seems on the patriots question 911 site, 90% of them are retired.

we're going to need a tipping point of academics and others to come out, who are not intimidated...not damn intimidated.

JOHN ADAMS WAS AWESOME, LAZLO!!!

 

 

 

kate of the kiosk's picture

i, too, had been participating in conversations with my selves

regarding this anon versus nonanon thing and am quite sure I have not been alone; therefore, was pleased to see this being outed here on our dear blog. i have respect and affection for you, jpass (don't be so tough on him, Lazlo), but as for myself, have almost completely come to terms with the idea of the need for Lazlo's and others' anonymity, especially as they may bring us the most damning and dangerous research. That being said, a good dose of reinforcing subjective explanation from Prof Toth was most helpful. thank you, Prof. for laying aside so many of life's creative and rewarding diversions for the sake of the truth-work!!! i understand. 

yes, people, do not trust myspace, meetup, facebook.  

remind me to share my round-the-campfire truthing efforts at 4th of july weekend in West Virginny with retired army, airforce, marine/FBI, marine...i believe i held my own...but who knows, maybe I should be scared.

when asked what "conspiracy sites" I have been visiting, i said there were hundreds, and hundreds. recommended them to start with AE911truth. 

 

 

 

gretavo's picture

"At wtcdemolition.com some

"At wtcdemolition.com some users post as multiple 'personalities' and refer to their other screen names as if they were talking to themselves. Even though this is a joke in most cases that I've seen, I think, again, anonymity produces negative effects."

JPAss, I am the only person who posts (to my knowledge) with multiple identities like Harley Guy, the Dancing Israelis, 9/11 Family Guy, Real Truther, Gretavo, etc. Yes, it can be confusing to someone who has just shown up, but I think regulars know exactly what is going on and who is whom. The multiple personalities I think are pretty obviously meant for both comic relief and for creative critique of certain people, some referred to by name and others satirically. The difference is that I don't do this to make it look like I have lots of supporters, which I KNOW has been done by people on other sites like John Albanese, who we outed doing it when he repeated very particular misspellings under his different aliases. I don't want to get into every reason for why I prefer to maintain a certain degree of anonymity, though anyone who really wanted to could find out who I am. Why should I make it any easier? As for trust and credibility, I totally disagree with you. Posting pseudonymously, even under various aliases (as long as it is done overtly) is the most honest thing we can do. Why? Because it would be far too easy to use a name, say like "Jim Gold" that was totally fake and say it was our real name. How would people know it wasn't? They wouldn't, and they would mistakenly believe it was, and that "James Albanasal" really was someone totally different even though it was also us. With our way, everyone learns that the only way to trust and be trusted is to work at it and earn that trust. Also WHO we are should not matter, what should is WHAT we say. Otherwise we grow lazy and say things like "well that Tim Russert, we knew who he was, he was open about it, so we trust him and won't bother fact checking what he says." With a guy like "Lazlo Toth" I have to actually read what he writes, compare it with things I've read elsewhere, etc. and come to my own conclusions about whether the "Toth Writing Algorithm" is worth reading again, regardless of who it actually is at the wheel. Reminds me of a cartoon (maybe far side?) where on dog on a computer says to another next to him--Ön the internet nobody knows you're a dog." Well, I don't care if Lazlo Toth is a Siberian Husky or a German Shepherd, so long as what he writes makes sense to me and helps me do my own research. Now of course I have a personal circle around me that never even reads this site, and they are also part of my activist life, compartmentalized away from you all. And really not just one circle but a few. I do what I find works for me. If you think there is a better way you are right that you should do it yourself, and I wish you the best of luck with it because I know you have the best of intentions.

casseia's picture

Ha!

I found that cartoon back when I was doing a research project in "computer mediated communication." Also, I posted once as "Mega Disinfo Krill" but couldn't think of anything funny to say (we can't all be gretavo) so I let it drop.
No one knows you're a dog.

kate of the kiosk's picture

dog identity

"don't care if Lazlo Toth is a Siberian Husky or a German Shepherd, ..."

hysterical laughter coming from the kiosk...

ruuff

gretavo's picture

hee hee

I know Cass in her infinite wisdom does not like us to refer to people as breeds, but I tend to think of Lazlo as more of a rebellious poodle (not a toy poodle, the big kind) who eschews the sissy poodle haircut for poodle dreadlocks. I could be wrong, but that's my mental image. Anyway thanks to C455 for digging up the 'toon!