Extraordinary Times, Intentional Collapse, and Takedown of the USA - Part 1

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Another chilling hypothesis by Richard C Cook.

Extraordinary Times, Intentional Collapse, and Takedown of the USA - Part 1
Politics / Global Financial System
May 04, 2008 - 01:10 PM

By: Richard_C_Cook

Much has been written about whether a worldwide plan exists to control events and steer them in the direction profitable to an elite of the rich and powerful. Is this a “conspiracy theory”? While it is difficult to be specific about who exactly may be behind such a conspiracy, if it exists, it is at least clear that the privately-managed system of global financial capitalism gives ample opportunity for the world’s richest people to combine for their mutual benefit. Further, global financial capitalism itself is based on the monopolization of money-creation by a world banking system that is largely privately owned, even while working through the central banks of the largest and most prosperous nations.

This article postulates the existence of a coordinated and longstanding matrix set up by the controllers of money to dominate the movements of history. The article focuses particularly on what seems to have been an attack that has been going on for over a century against the independence of the nations of Russia and the U.S. The article also suggests a series of monetary reforms whereby the U.S. , or any other nation, can regain its economic identity and preserve its political freedom. The article was written a short distance from the reconstructed colonial capitol building in Williamsburg , VA. On this site on May 15, 1776, the Fifth Virginia Convention voted unanimously to instruct its delegation at the Second Continental Congress in Philadelphia to enter a motion for independence. It may be time to do that again.

Russian philosopher P.D. Ouspensky (1878-1947) wrote, “It is a mistake to think the times we are living in are like any other. These are extraordinary times.”

Ouspensky, with his mentor, G.I. Gurdjieff, escaped from Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution, during the Russian Civil War. Though academia has failed to acknowledge it, this epochal convulsion was financed in part through the monetary resources of the international financial elite operating out of London, Amsterdam, New York, Paris, Hamburg, and Frankfurt.

It was this elite, acting through Western banks, which appears to have surreptitiously provided the wherewithal for Lenin and Trotsky to destroy the Russian nation after the fall of the Tsarist regime at the end of World War I. Support by the Western financiers is discussed by Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson in his revisionist history, The Third Rome: Holy Russia, Tsarism & Orthodoxy. (The Foundation for Economic Liberty , Washington , D.C., 2003)

The present analysis postulates that the takeover of Russia, whose backbone was the alliance among the House of Romanoff, the Orthodox Church, the land-owing nobility, and thousands of self-governing peasant communes, was one of two major projects which the financiers set out to accomplish early in the 20th century in a longer-range plan to dominate the globe. The other was the control and eventual destruction of the United States of America. That project may be reaching fruition through the ongoing and seemingly purposeful financial meltdown of 2008.

Why Russia and the U.S. ?

Events affecting nations have their roots in history, and people underestimate how what happens today is conditioned by the past. The respective fates of Russia and the U.S. have been linked for a long time.

The two countries had a close relationship during the American Civil War, when the Russian fleet anchored in New York and San Francisco harbors. In 1867, Russia sold the huge expanse of Alaska to the U.S. Later, the U.S. provided engineering support for Russian industrial development.

The two continental giants were, during the latter part of the 19th century, becoming the greatest land powers in the world. With Germany , Great Britain ’s chief rival for economic might, added to the mix, the hegemony of the financiers’ power base in Britain and northern Europe was threatened in a way not seen since Napoleon.

Both Russia and the U.S. were largely Christian nations, with a sizeable portion of the American population, especially recent immigrants, being members of the Roman Catholic faith. For centuries nothing had been a greater obstacle to the financial control of nations through war and finance than the Christian religion and its teachings against usury.

Plus neither the U.S. nor Russia had a central privately-owned bank. The U.S. had long since gotten rid of its own central banks, the First (1791-1811) and Second (1816-1836) Banks of the United States . The whole concept of commercial banking having control of a nation’s economy was alien to the Russian and U.S. mindset.

Instead, wealth came from work. This was expressed by President Abraham Lincoln in a December 3, 1861, address to Congress when he said, “Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.”

Lincoln could make such a statement because the U.S. economy, as was the Russian, was deeply rooted in the soil. The backbone of the two cultures was the Russian peasant and the American yeoman farmer, as Thomas Jefferson called him. The merchant and artisan economies of the towns and cities in both nations were founded upon the wealth of the countryside which was derived from human and animal labor and from working the land. Even when industrialization began to flourish in the latter part of the 19th century, it was fueled in both countries largely through savings and retained earnings, not bank credit created “out of thin air” through fractional reserve lending.

Banker Domination

By the early 20th century, the bankers of Europe had a mission before them. If Russia and the U.S. could be controlled, nothing would stand in the way of the rule of humanity by the materialistic pseudo-religion of power and wealth by which the financiers were obsessed. As Max Weber (1864-1920) wrote in The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism, the acquisition of wealth was viewed as a sign that a person was one of the “elect.” The financiers’ sphere of influence was centered in northern Europe , where the anti-usury doctrines both of the Roman Catholic Church and Martin Luther (1483-1546) had been undermined through the teachings of John Calvin (1509-1564).

As is well known, banking in Europe began in the medieval period with store-front gold merchants who invented fractional reserve banking by lending certificates against a gold reserve held for their customers on deposit. By the time of the Renaissance, banking was centered in Italy and Germany , then spread north and west to the Netherlands , France , and England .

By this time the Catholic prohibition against usury was well-developed. Pope Sixtus V (1585-90) said charging of interest was “detestable to God and man, damned by the sacred canons and contrary to Christian charity.” Theological historian John Noonan wrote that “the doctrine [of usury] was enunciated by popes, expressed by three ecumenical councils, proclaimed by bishops, and taught unanimously by theologians.” (“Development of Moral Doctrine,” 54 Theological Studies, 662, 1993)

Lending of money at interest was often left to the European Jews, where statements in various scriptures, such as the Talmud, appeared to allow the practice when dealing with non-Jews. Some argue that the Vatican worked behind the scenes by using Jews as fronts for their own lending operations.

In England , the Tudor and Stuart monarchs made a stand against the rise of bankers as issuers of currency. As Susan Boskey writes in her book The Quality Life Plan: 7 Steps to Uncommon Financial Security, “the Mixt Moneys Case of 1604 in England determined money as a public measure to be regulated by the state.” According to Alexander Del Mar, head of the U.S. Department of Weights and Measures in the late 19th century and author of the book, History of Money in America From the Earliest Times to the Establishment of the Constitution, the Mixt Moneys Case determined that “the state alone had the right to issue money.”

Boskey continues: “For over half a century, this ruling alarmed the merchants of London who attempted to defeat the Mixt Moneys decision. The East India Company was the main instigator in the effort, because they were eager to turn a profit by shipping silver to India in exchange for gold. Success was achieved with the British Free Coinage Act of 1666, which, according to Del Mar, ‘altered the monetary systems of the world.’ He wrote: ‘The specific effects of this law were to destroy the royal prerogative of coinage, nullify the decision in the Mixt Moneys case, and inaugurate a future series of commercial panics and disasters which to that time were totally unknown.’ Moneylenders known as ‘strong room keepers’ began the practice of making interest-bearing loans that were not backed one-hundred percent by the gold reserves remaining in their strong room.”

“The British Free Coinage Act of 1666,” continues Boskey, “marked a turning point in the role of currency creation as a public measure to one dominated by moneylenders. No longer was the act of putting money into circulation directly connected to the actual, existing material riches of a nation.”

About this time, Samuel Pepys (1633-1703) was writing his now-famous Diary. According to Canadian monetary expert Martin Hattersley, Pepys “was describing in surprised delight the new institution of banking, by which the smart investor, instead of paying the goldsmith for warehousing his valuables, opened an account, and was actually paid interest for having his money looked after!”

Pepys was captivated by the familiar but pernicious notion that, instead of working for a living, a person could have his money “work for him.” Aristotle had spoken against this concept 2,000 years earlier: “The most hated sort of wealth getting and with the greatest reason, is usury, which makes a gain out of money itself and not from the natural object of it. For money was intended to be used in exchange but not to increase at interest. And this term interest, which means the birth of money from money is applied to the breeding of money because the offspring resembles the parent. Wherefore of all modes of getting wealth, this is the most unnatural.” (1258b Politics)

Hattersley continues: “Who paid for Samuel Pepys' remarkable new service? Basically, the public did. Pepys, leaving his gold with the banker, enabled the latter to lend it out to a third party. Pepys had his ‘money in the bank,’ and the borrower took the gold. The borrower naturally paid interest on the loan. Pepys received interest on his deposit. The same money being (notionally) in the possession both of Pepys and of the borrower meant an increase in the monetary mass of the nation. All the holders of money in the nation, therefore, had the value of their holdings very slightly diluted. There was a profit to the banker on the ‘spread’ between borrowing and lending rates. There was a profit to Mr. Pepys, who at one and the same moment had both money in the bank and an interest bearing investment. Yet the borrower also profited. His loan would be at a lower interest rate than that on capital that had had to be saved up. ‘Smart’ bank financing put him ahead of conventionally financed competitors. All three parties gained, at the expense of the general public, the value of whose money was diluted through inflation of the monetary mass.”

Finally, concludes Hattersley, “Skipping forward three centuries (past events such as the South Sea Bubble, tulip mania, the railway boom and the 1929 market crash) we find that the little spot of inflation that Mr. Pepys indulged in has become a universal way of life. The extensive capital development of Canada [and the U.S. ] in the post-World War II boom has been largely financed, not by personal savings and investment, but by the inflation of the money supply. This has left the thrifty who invested their little savings from the hard times of the Great Depression in mortgages, bonds, and life insurance deprived of most of the rewards of their thrift, and has caused the profits of inflation to benefit all who could borrow, build, and then repay their capital in deflated dollars later on.”

Hattersley captures the essence of the modern usury-based economy. No longer is life based on honest human labor and the resources of nature, but on financial manipulation. This is why religious people have always viewed usury as a crime. Aristotle placed the usurer in the same category as others who “ply sordid trades,” such as pimps.

Returning to the march of history, in 1688, James II, who had become a Catholic, fled the British throne. Through the “Glorious Revolution,” he was replaced by the Protestants William and Mary of the Dutch House of Orange. The main instrument of power of the financiers who supported them was the Bank of England, founded in 1694.

The next two centuries saw the financiers’ control of world commerce spread through the instrumentality of the British Empire . The bedrock of British policy was “free trade,” which allowed British manufacturers who paid their workers a pittance to undersell their competitors elsewhere. This was aided by having the British pound become the world’s trading currency.

With the First Zionist Congress of 1897, one of the financiers’ geopolitical goals became to support the creation of the nation of Israel , at least partly to dominate the world’s crossroads in the oil-rich Middle East . The oil was needed to fuel the British navy.

The nature and origins of Zionism have been hotly debated in recent years, as the role of Israel on the world stage has grown. One thing seems certain: The Jewish religion is by no means monolithic. But its followers, many of whom opposed the philosophy of Zionism, would now be drawn into the financiers’ power game. From this point on, anyone who even questioned Zionism would be labeled “anti-Semitic.”

As the 20th century advanced, the financier elite became heavily involved in getting rich off world war and the manufacture of the new weapons of mass destruction that modern technology made possible. Warfare and weaponry, combined with control of credit manufactured through the leveraging of industrial production, were to be the primary means of putting nations and their populations into debt. A materialistic slave society was being created, which books like 1984 warned against. Humanity was lured into compliance through the fantasy world brought about by the mass media by means of advertising, cinema, and television. Another enticement was the growing availability of mass-produced consumer goods.

How It Was Done

While World War I and the Russian Revolution still lay a few years in the future, the international financiers quietly took control of the U.S. economic system in 1913 through the Federal Reserve Act and the 16th Amendment to the Constitution which provided for the federal income tax. The purpose of this tax was to use citizens’ earnings to pay the interest on the “funded” national debt. As with the debt owed by the British people to the Bank of England, this would be one so large the principle could never be paid off.

Russia was allied with Britain and France during World War I (1914-18). But the war against Germany and Austria-Hungary had reached a stalemate until the tide was turned by entry of the U.S. on the side of the Allies. Fighting on the eastern front between Germany and Russia was savage. By the end of the war the Russian Revolution broke out, and, after a terrible Civil War, the Soviet Union came into being.

It was the financier-controlled press which goaded President Woodrow Wilson into taking the nation into World War I on the side of England and France. But it was also part of the financiers’ plan to shift the apparent focal point of their financial power from London to New York . This was done through the financing of the war by loans made to the European combatants by the New York banks.

It seemed to be in accord with a plan spelled out decades earlier by Cecil Rhodes, whereby the U.S. would not only be “recovered” for the British Empire, but would appear to become the senior partner in the enterprise. By the start of the 1920s, this objective had been accomplished. German, English, French, and other European taxpayers were all deeply in debt to the U.S. banks for the costs of the war.

Also during the war years the financiers had secured the issuance of the Balfour Declaration signaling British support for the establishment of a Zionist state in Palestine. The 1917 Declaration was made in a letter from Arthur James Balfour, British Foreign Secretary, to Walter Rothschild, Second Baron Rothschild, for transmission to the Zionist Federation.

During and after World War I, world financial power shifted to the New York banks through which, however, it would be the London-based elite exerting de facto control. It might also be said that starting with U.S. entry into World War I, once you look past the patriotic slogans, the U.S., its vast productivity, and the blood of its population have been used in making this country the worldwide military enforcer of international financier domination.

World War II became the means of consolidating financier control. Prior to that, during the years of the Great Depression, both Russia —aka the Soviet Union—and the U.S. were slipping away from the fold. Stalin had shown his “Bonapartist” tendencies by favoring “Socialism in one country,” as well as by his deadly purges of the financier-controlled Trotskyite faction and his shocking rapprochement with Hitler in 1939 that seemed to foil the financiers’ intent to play off Nazi Germany and the Soviets against each other.

In the U.S., President Franklin Roosevelt had taken steps during the Great Depression to rebuild the U.S. economy by exerting an unaccustomed degree of control over the Federal Reserve System and providing credit at low rates of interest to homeowners, farmers, and businessmen. This made Roosevelt seem to many wealthy Americans “a traitor to his class.”

Roosevelt saw that a healthy and self-sustaining domestic economy is essential for the well-being of a sovereign nation. But instead of looking for ways to create a monetary system based on the productivity of the economy, as Lincoln had done with the Greenbacks during the Civil War, Roosevelt left intact the debt-based system overseen by the Federal Reserve. He added to this system the Keynesian idea of government deficit spending for public works to create employment. This was essentially a system whereby government would try to pay its debts by engendering inflation, a policy that has continued until today.

But World War II thwarted even these stirrings of nationalism in both countries. In both the Soviet Union and the U.S. , the financiers worked the levers of debt to build massive war machines. They were also working through the Western banks, including Brown Brothers Harriman in New York, to achieve the same ends in Nazi Germany. Eventually Hitler invaded the Soviet Union, and the U.S. entered the war. Both during and after the war, operatives from the international financial elite centered in London were the linchpins of a worldwide matrix of spying, assassination, terrorism, industrial espionage, psy ops, media manipulation, and monetary control. This included financing the founding of Israel as the Western bridgehead in the Middle East in 1948.

Despite the creation of an appearance of conflict between the West and the Soviet Union through the Cold War, the financiers continued to work both sides of the fence through their London-based operatives. In the U.S. they created the modern national security state with both the National Security Agency and the CIA firmly under their control. Then, after President John F. Kennedy moved to forestall the neocolonialist Vietnam conflict and replace the Federal Reserve with a U.S. system of silver-backed Treasury currency, he was shot dead in Dallas ’s Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963.

In charge of convincing the public that the Warren Commission was correct in concluding that Kennedy was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald, supposedly a lone deranged gunman, were figures associated with the financier elite from the New York Times, Washington Post, and Yale Law School . (See The Kennedy Assassination Cover-Up Revisited by Donald Gibson, 2005.) But in 1979, a report of the House Select Committee on Assassinations stated that Kennedy was killed by a “probable conspiracy.”

It has been thoroughly documented that since World War II the Western intelligence agencies, all with close ties to the financial world, particularly the New York and London investment banks, have been responsible for engendering wars, revolutions, and mayhem in countries around the world, causing the deaths of millions of people in Asia, Africa, Latin America, and southeastern Europe.

Meanwhile, the worldwide arms industry, also under financier control, have produced the greatest arsenal of weapons of mass destruction ever seen. After Kennedy was killed, the U.S. moved to arm Israel as the leading military power of the region. Today nuclear weapons have proliferated, with Israel , Pakistan , and India becoming nuclear powers in addition to the U.S. , Russia , Britain , China , and France .

But warfare and weapons cost money, and by the late 1960s the Vietnam War was sinking the U.S. deeper into debt. The U.S. war machine was to be the main tool for financier enforcement of their worldwide plan of domination, but the nation was going broke. The problem was made worse by heavy federal expenditures for the poor and elderly through such programs as Medicare and Medicaid.

But President Richard Nixon’s Secretary of State Henry Kissinger had a plan. The government worked out an arrangement whereby Saudi Arabia and the other OPEC nations would gradually increase the price of oil, with the profits to be used by the oil-producing nations to buy U.S. Treasury debt securities. By 1980 the cost of oil would be ratcheted up from about $3.50 a barrel to $39.50.

The drastic increase of the price of gasoline at the pump acted as a de facto tax on the U.S. economy. But the plan worked. The “petrodollar” and “dollar hegemony” were born, with the dollar becoming the world’s reserve currency. Dollars could flood the world only because in 1971 the Nixon administration had abandoned the dollar’s gold peg as a basis for international currency exchange. Now currencies floated freely in world markets with speculation and inflation rampant. The economies of the world were no longer based on production, but on financial manipulation. It was also the start of the era of monetarism, where the Federal Reserve thought it could regulate the economy by the raising and lowering of interest rates.

The Kissinger plan also made the U.S. dependent on Middle Eastern oil and turned it into the muscle behind the financiers’ ambition for Israel to dominate the region. So now Americans, who had liberated Europe from the Nazis, had to fight and die for the financiers in the Middle East . The final conquest of Iraq , starting in 2003, and the planned war against Iran are the latest phases.

Meanwhile, through the financiers’ control of the U.S. Federal Reserve System, the producing economy was shattered through the Fed-induced recession of 1979-83, where interest rates were raised to the highest in history to combat the inflation the financiers had themselves caused by the oil price shocks. By this time, as some allege, the controversial concept of “peak oil”—whether it really existed or not—was being used as a cover for financier manipulation of oil markets by limiting production in order to maintain prices.

By 1992, when Bill Clinton was elected president, the U.S. producing economy had been devastated by the shutdown of factories and the export of jobs. The work of wrecking the economy was completed by Clinton ’s embrace of NAFTA, which has largely eliminated family farming in favor of financier-controlled agribusiness in the U.S. , Canada , and Mexico . Deregulation of the financial industry began in earnest during the Reagan years from 1981-89 and accelerated under Clinton .

By this time, the U.S. economy was being kept afloat only through financial bubbles that allowed the purchase of consumer goods to take place through more family and household debt. We had the merger-acquisition bubble of the 1980s, followed by the George H.W. Bush recession which led to Clinton ’s election in 1992. During the 1990s we had the dot.com bubble fueled by foreign investment. Capital gains taxes on stock price inflation and counting trust funds like Social Security as budgetary assets allowed Clinton to balance the federal budget the last three years of his presidency.

But the dot.com bubble also burst with the loss of $7 trillion of wealth through the crash of 2000-2001. Next came the Bush bubbles—in housing, equity funds, commercial real estate, and hedge funds that have been deflating while threatening to destroy altogether the economic viability of what was once the world’s greatest industrial democracy.

After this, the only bubble left for an economy that appears to be entering terminal depression may be the current fuel/food bubble that could result in the starvation of millions worldwide. Now the longstanding ambition of the financier elite for the destruction of the American republic may finally be realized—with a lot of help, of course, from their American friends.
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petros's picture

Yes blame it all on the Jews why don't you?

 

It's fashionable these days, to "blame it all on the
Jews" by using covert language. Using the word "Jew" and "Jewish"
enough only to connect "the Joo" emotionally to the natural hatred that
most people feel instinctually against the ruling class.

It's been done before. You think you're doing something profound, but you're
repeating 21st century versions of the same crapola slogans that brought Hitler to power.

The trick here is that this form of propaganda targets the ethnic and
religious identity of these wealthy Jewish people, American and
European Jews, mostly, and blames their cultural roots or their religious background
for their pivotal positions at points of power - or at controlling
nodes - within the structure of the US or global Imperial system.

This idea is wrong, and it must be opposed, clarified, and neutralized at every step.

The truth is that there are many more members of the US and global
Imperial ruling class whose ethnic and cultural origins are
Anglo-American, Euro-American, White Anglo Saxon Protestant (WASP),
plus true blue "All American" members of the master race that hails
from the independent republikkk o' Texas.

The entirety of the US and global Imperial ruling class, regardless of their cultural or ethnic backgrounds are all in on the Zionist campaigns which are very well described and identified by the author above.

Focusing on the ethnic, cultural, or religious background of the
ruling class always confuses the issue, always distracts from our need
to oppose their illegitimate power. It is an obstacle in our efforts to
form effective and efficient campaigns of popular resistance that can
help the population overthrow and replace their morally rotten order
that's based on exploitation, misery, extermination and domination.

We need to be able to build alliances of ALL people, of all ethnic
and religious origins, and to cultivate respect and enjoyment of each
others' cultures. The rich and wonderful diversity of humanity's sexual
and gender identities, ethnic, cultural and linguistic identities needs
to be embraced and celebrated. Using one them (in the above case, using
the Jewish identity) as a target to stir up righteous hatred
against the ruling class is wrong. It must be opposed in order to win the war against that ruling class and all their puppets, and in order to be able to place the planetary Empire and the Zionist entity one day on the garbage heap of history.

Petros
petros@cyprus-org.net
http://petros-evdokas.cyprus-org.net/Another-sort-of-Introduction.html
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gretavo's picture

you know, Petros...

The one who seems to have a bit of a race problem here is you. while you say we shouldn't focus on the ethnic or religious background of the elite, you seem to love pointing out how they're mostly "WASPS" - a phrase that through similar use has become a slur unto itself.

Secondly, you jump so quickly to the knee-jerk "oh go ahead and blaem the jews" sarcasm that I have to wonder if we read the same post here. It is clear from Cook's essay that he is talking about international financiers, not jews per se. he also includes the "wasp" establishment in his critique and makes clear that Zionism was usurped by the financiers as a way of getting a foothold in the middle east.

Perhaps you take issue with his pointing out that christianity for a long time prohibited or discouraged usury, defined as lending at interest. I happen to agree with Jeebus on that score--as I do with a lot else he allegedly taught (though not everything he allegedly taught.) I also know that Judaism has similar proscriptions and that as Cook points out the Talmud rather shittily also says that this only applies to Jews lending to Jews, but that non-Jews can be charged interest. The Talmud of course includes commentary by so many different rabbis through history that one could probably also find teachings or interpretations that aren't quite so hypocritical. The same way, Christianity is not monolithic and we can see these days how the whole idea that wealth, however gained, is a sign that "Jeebus loves you". Bullshit, of course.

The elite are the elite and they have a particular history. It includes all kinds of people and whitewashing their identities only serves to conceal their methods. One of these methods is the entrapment of entire groups of people in their schemes through protection rackets, one of which is Zionism perpetrated on Jews. The other is of course the kind of Christianity that tells you to ask not what you can do for your fellow man but what god can do for you. then there's the whole "militant Islamic website recruiters" who we all know are not real muslims.

Not only do I disagree with your analysis, I find that you are working under an outdated paradigm, and a failed one to boot. Sorry to be harsh, but that's the way I see it. We clearly disagree on some huge issues that have everything to do with how we will ultimately understand the kind of struggle that we need. If you're sincere, I hope that you can try to understand where you are going wrong.

gulu's picture

FYI

I dont hate Jews.Im not sure where in any of my posts you would come to that conclusions.There was that one about Amy Goodman where the author mentioned Eric Hufsmidt.It was a cut and past job and mybe I should have cut out the Hufschmit reference.Lighten up dude.I thought Cooks article might be of interest to the group.

gretavo's picture

gulu, pay no heed to the critics

everything you've posted is fine. Ive found in Cook's essays especially a very nuanced and accurate navigation of some very sensitive topics. I would hope that Petros could provide similarly nuanced critiques but I'm beginning to think that he's not up to it, becauwe he seems to be a pretty dogmatic character.

Let me be blunt--we in this particular branch of the truth movement have NOTHING to apologize for. On the other hand, many so-called truthers have revealed through their words and actions that they are either woefully ill-informed, obstinately closed-minded, or simply dishonest. Likewise anyone who has to date impeded our efforts to spread the truth, in particular the self-proclaimed leaders and opinion formers of any stripe in the mainstream, deserve the scorn of posterity whether it be for their ignorance, cowardice, or malicious dishonesty. THEY have failed. I could list them but we all know who they are.

But let's name one, shall we?  For sheer dishonesty in combination with ill-deserved credibility among far too many people who by now should know better, the New York Times deserves special recognition:

Inside a 9/11 Mastermind’s Interrogation - New York Times

You'll see above that this operation is a key player in promoting a racist myth.  To call them Nazis may not actually do them justice, since for all the Nazis' faults their tenure cannot compare to that of the "paper of record", nor were they anywhere near as successful in their plying of propaganda.

Now let me be very clear--the New York Times is a Zionist publication.  Only a fool would not be able to put two and two together to understand why they persist in spreading falsehoods that ensure that the outing of the truth will be stalled.  The New York Times is therefore a truly anti-semitic criminal enterprise--where is the outrage, even among truthers?  I suppose since they have no discernable ties to the Bush family they can't be demonized as such, or at least that's what some people would have us think.  They are also not owned by WASPs, so it can't be said that they would have any affinity for the alleged global ruling elite, right?  No, no, they are villified in mainstream circles as "liberals"!  As Bush bashers!  Surely Fox News is the enemy!

What kind of idiots do people take us for?  Why should we suffer any criticism for choosing--daring I could say--to be indignant and yes, angry at what has been going on?  Why should WE hold our tongues, we who call for everything BUT violence?  Because we are fed up with being lied to?  Because we're just not concerned enough about the real shame and embarassment we are likely to bring upon people who deserve to be publicly shamed?  Because some truths are more true than others?  Because god forbid we might hurt somebody's feelings in the process of trying to save literally millions of people from the fate already suffered by millions more?

I call bullshit.  I call bullshit on anyone who has the gall to tell any of us to "tone it down".  Tell Hufschmid to tone it down.  Tell Alex Jones to tone it down.  Tell Mark Dice to tone it down.  Tell the New York Times to tone it down.  Tell AIPAC to tone it down.  Tell Joe Lieberman to tone it down.  Tell Olmert to tone it down.  Because you know what?  They might actually listen, while I will simply respond by going to 11 if that's what it's going to take to see some real truth.  I KNOW I'm not the extremist here, or the apologist for murder, so with my conscience clean I intend to speak my mind and sleep in peace until I rest in peace thank you very much.

Annoymouse's picture

Can you provide specific

Can you provide specific evidence to contradict Cook's claims? I have personally read about the bankers in New York from multiple sources now, funding the Bolshevik revolution. I have read too many things for them to be coincidence and lately I've been digging into sections of the Talmud which are quite interesting. It is one of the most bigotted texts I have ever read.

I am also aware of the FACT that many of Hitler's top Nazi's were Jewish (Eichmann for instance) or part Jewish. Hitler's own ancestry has been called into question by historians. They collaborated with the Zionists. In fact, before WWII broke out German ships baring the Swaztika flag shipped thousands of Jews to the Palestinian region as a deal w/ the Zionists. The "holocaust" was the fire under their asses to motivate the rest of them to move to Palestine. Rosevelt came to power at the same time as Hilter and closed the gates to most Jews who attempted to come to the US before WWII. Why was that? It was a blatant attempt to force those who wanted to flee to go along with the Zionists rather than being able to flee to the land of the "free". Hitler had JEWISH soldiers. Were you aware of this? This has been in the main stream news because of the research work of a graduate student back in the late 80's or early 90's.

We are well read here and it would be wise to cite your sources if you have evidence supporting other views rather than attacking the message of another.

Annoymouse's picture

> I have personally read

> I have personally read about the bankers in New York from multiple sources now, funding the Bolshevik revolution

That type of phrase, "bankers in New York ... funding the Bolshevik revolution," is thrown out in many ideological tracts with a shortage of facts. But every detailed history of what actually occurred in the civil war debunks it. Perhaps what you really mean is whether or not there are some specific facts which may have been distorted through the process of misquoting? Yes, there are a very few specific points of this type. Let's if they can be listed.

First of all, it's generally true that Jacob Schiff, and perhaps some others of similar genealogical background like him, had encouraged dissident groups in Russia for many years before the revolution. Schiff's support was given to liberals who left Russia but wished to advocate liberal change within Russia. Schiff certainly had no general interest in supporting either Bolshevism or any other brand of Marxism. A comparison with the Cold War is relevant here. Soviet dissidents received enormous support abroad in exile. Solzhenitsyn was made into a hero by Harvard University. No one among the old pre-1917 revolutionaries received comparable accolades. But Schiff did run a Russian Emigrant Relief Fund and it's possible (though largely unsubstantiated in terms of documentation) that perhaps some of those who eventually became leading Bolsheviks may have received some aid of this type.

Jacob Schiff had certainly wished for something like the "February Revolution" of March 1917. But the record clearly shows that he did not support the Bolsheviks ever at any time. Right-wingers from among the Russian exiles after 1921 sought to cast any attempt to encourage liberal reform in pre-revolutionary Russia as if it were evidence of a plot to install the Bolsheviks. Of course that's not true.

There is some evidence that Leon Trotsky may have received some aid in New York during his stay there in early 1917. Antony Sutton discusses this point in WALL STREET AND THE BOLSHEVIK REVOLUTION. Unfortunately, Sutton is badly confused on this point because he mistakenly refers to the issue of aid-to-Trotsky-in-early-1917 as if it were tantamount to aid-to-Bolshevism and hence part of a Wall Street plan to place the Bolsheviks in power. In fact Trotsky and Lenin had been long-running rivals who simply joined together in the face of what was clearly a revolution-in-process in the summer of 1917. We can confidently reject the idea that Trotsky was aided in New York by anyone attempting to plan a Bolshevik seizure of power. If Schiff or anyone else had been contemplating engineering a Bolshevik revolution then Trotsky would have been seen as an unpredictable firebrand who had previously had many political fights with Lenin and might have more again. It wouldn't make sense to aid Trotsky if installing Lenin was Schiff's goal. The most logical explanation for what Sutton discusses is that very likely Schiff did aid Trotsky as a political exile, but not with any other intent.

Another key issue to keep in mind is World War I and how that affected the behavior of all the different powers. Germany gave Lenin a trip back to Russia, so that there is evidence of foreign aid given to Bolshevism. But of course this was done for the narrow purpose of winning World War I, not because of any common agenda between Lenin and the Kaiser. The bit about Lenin being aided by Germany gets hyped by Richard Pipes. Peter Kenez makes some apt points which have a more general applicability:

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Like other conservative writers, Pipes emphasizes the importance of German assistance to the Leninists. But here he is banging on an open door, for no responsible historian would deny that the Bolsheviks were helped by the enemies of their country. Two points, however, should be made. First, however much the Bolsheviks may have been helped financially, their enemies remained immensely better financed... Second, Lenin did accept help from the Germans. But a year later, so did many of the very people who had most strongly accused Lenin of treason. Krasnov, Skoropadskii, and Miliukov, just to mention a few, eventually followed a "German orientation."
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-- Peter Kenez, Review Article, The Prosecution of Soviet History: A Critique of Richard Pipes' The Russian Revolution, Russian Review, Volume 50, Number 3.

Like Kenez points out, for every instance which you can find of some aid having been given to the Bolsheviks in the early stages you can find an abundance of much greater aid given to their enemies once the civil war had begun.

There's one another source of partial truth in the Wall-Street-funds-Bolsheviki myth. This has to do with the period from the October Revolution up to the Brest-Litovsk Treaty. Again, this is badly distorted by Sutton. Because Sutton misleads the reader over the fact that Trotsky was not a Bolshevik in early 1917, he gives the impression that he has documented some type of aid from New York to the Bolsheviki beginning at that time. Once we correct this it becomes apparent that the only foreign aid given to the Bolsheviki prior to November 1917 came from Germany. But the overthrow of Kerensky changed all of this.

It had always been recognized that if he gained power Lenin's goal was to immediately begin sending revolutionary propaganda to Germany. The Kaiser had aided Lenin knowing all of this, but with the hope that the gain of creating disruption in Russia would be more beneficial. Once Lenin had overthrown Kerensky however, a new debate began in Allied circles about whether it might be worthwhile to help Lenin fund revolutionary propaganda in Germany. Bruce Lockhart was an advocate of this strategy. The context in which this approach was debated among the Allies paralleled a debate occurring in the Bolshevik party. While Lenin was urging that the new government should sign an immediate peace with Germany at any cost, Nikolai Bukharin was advocating a declaration of revolutionary war against Germany. Trotsky as the representative at the negotiations with Germany tried to draw a compromise position where he refused to sign any peace treaty but simply declared that as far as Russia was concerned the war was over and the Bolsheviki could leave the peace table without signing anything. German forces responded by advancing into Russia at a rapid pace. That forced the issue and finally Lenin won the battle to get the peace signed at all costs.

While those disputes were going on, Bruce Lockhart had high hopes that the revolution could be turned into a political tool against Germany and Allied sources did provide funding to Bolshevik propaganda which was specifically earmarked to Germany. This policy of Allied backing for Bolshevik propaganda aimed at Germany falls into a definite period, from November 1917 to March 1918. It was not a policy before the Provisional Government of Kerensky was overthrown, because at that time the Allies hoped that Kerenksy's government would keep Russia in the war. It was not a policy after the peace of Brest-Litovsk had been signed, because at that point the aim shifted over to helping the Whites overthrow the Reds. More details about the intelligence wars waged by the British in the period of 1917-1920 can be found in Michael Occleshaw, DANCES IN DEEP SHADOWS.

Once the White uprising had begun in the spring of 1918, following Brest-Litovsk, the Allied policy shifted very clearly over the next 2+ years to attempting to aid the Whites, with no aid going to the Reds. To appreciate how the Whites wasted such aid, one has to take some time to go through some solid general histories of the civil war. Some anecdotes are worth noting. John Hodgson reporting from Russia:

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"I did not, during the whole of my service with the Army in Russia, ever see a nurse in a British uniform, but I have seen girls, who were emphatically not nurses, walking the streets of Novorossiisk wearing regulation British hospital skirts and stockings," wrote John Hodgeson, a British war correspondent sent to report about life in Denikin's Russia. "I saw and talked to young ladies of good social standing ... who were wearing costumes made of British officers' serge," he added, as he wrote of men at the front who went into battle "wearing practically nothing but a print shirt and a patched pair of trousers." Almost every minor bureaucrat in South Russia seemed to have a new, crisply creased British summer uniform. "It is impossible to believe," Hodgson reported, "that we sent out clothing for the benefit of lawyers and petty civil officials." ...

Transferred to the military sphere, such massive corruption proved destructive. While Denikin's desperate commanders tried to break through Red fortifications with infantry, British tanks sat on the dock at Novorossiisk. Although Hodgson found "it was always possible for a local profiteer to bribe railway officials and obtain freight cars ... on a colossal scale," it proved impossible to find trains or trucks to move the tanks inland. "One night," Hodgson noted sadly, "a typical Black Sea storm caused one of the tanks to slip its moorings, and the whole consignment [of ten] slid quietly to the bottom of the harbor." Nor was that an isolated instance. While men dying from typhus and dysentery lay on rotting, lice-infested sacks, Hodgson watched the equipment for an entire two hundred-bed British hospital disappear at wharfside. "Beds, blankets, sheets, mattresses, and pillows disappeared as if by magic," he reported. "They found their way to the houses of staff officers and members of the Kuban Government."
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-- W. Bruce Lincoln, RED VICTORY: A HISTORY OF THE RUSSIAN CIVIL WAR, pp. 218-20.

Hodgson's story is just one of many examples of how the Whites actually wasted aid in the form of tanks and uniforms meant to equip troops. The leaders of the White forces were an incredibly corrupt bunch. Attempting to support them was worse than backing Ahmed Chalabi.

French attempts to intervene against the Bolsheviks ran into their own problems in Ukraine:

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French commanders had been assured that they were to seek the assistance of and support of all elements who might be engaged in the struggle against the Bolsheviks. This means that they were prepared to deal with both the Volunteers and their political rivals, hoping to encourage the development of a unified front. Much to their disgust, the local factions refused to set aside their political differences for a common cause...

The Volunteers showed little interest in fighting the Bolsheviks, the French complained. "They play, drink and amuse themselves as in the past." Furthermore, the arrogant behavior of the Volunteers had heightened their alienation from the people and exacerbated old class hatreds. Colonel Henry Freydenberg, who was d'Anselme's chief of staff, noted that the Volunteer Army was 90 percent officers and had absolutely no ties with the people. The Ukrainian peasantry identified them with the old order, and, as a result, "Between the volunteers and the people," d'Anselme reported, "there is truly a savage hatred."

... the French army looked to support from the local population and expected that the Volunteers would provide this link. When it became obvious that not only were the Volunteers incapable of providing a bridge to the local population but also were in fact an obstacle to any support or even sympathy from the Ukainian population, the French command concluded that the situation could not be saved. Officers throughout the hierarchy of command came to believe that the intervention was on behalf of a lost cause and certainly would not succeed until the base of support for the Volunteers was broadened, but among the people of the Ukraine and among other potential elements opposed to the Bolsheviks.
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-- Kim Munholland, "The French Army and Intervention in the Ukraine," Peter Pastor (ed.), Revolutions and Intervention in Hungary and its Neighbor States, Volume XX of War and Society in East Central Europe, pp. 347-8.

The Russian commanders of the White armies attempted to get the French embroiled in a war against the Ukrainians which had nothing to do with fighting Bolshevism. That was not the work of any Rothschild conspiracy. It came about because of the political carelessness of the White leaders who refused to bend a little in favor of some of the national separatist movements. The Allies intervening consistently found that the Whites would embroil them in conflict with Ukrainians, Georgians, Finns and other national groups when the conflict clearly was detrimental to any attempt to direct the war against the Bolsheviks.

One could go on with a long laundry list of ways that the Whites specifically, and no one but, doomed any British-French efforts to aid them. If one wishes to look for nuances in the Russian civil war they would be these. First, every account of Russia from this time makes it clear that the population was demanding some form of revolution, some form of Left-wing politics. The Bolsheviks weren't the only party able to offer such. There were Mensheviks, Left and Right Social Revolutionaries, Popular Socialists, and a host of anarchistic Green rebels. However none of these groups was organizationally qualified to administer a civil war army. The Mensheviks and Right Social Revolutionaries had more in common with Salvador Allende of Chile than they did with Lenin. The White army officers had a clear opportunity to back something like a Menshevik-SR attempt to set up a government. In our time today we've grown used to the CIA supporting "democracy" and the like. If the White officers had been so intelligent, then they might very well have carried a Menshevik-SR movement to victory. However the Whites were too arrogant and blind to reality to see that Russia had to have a revolutionary government of some type. Instead of distinguishing among different types of Left-wing groups the Whites used the charge of "Bolshevism" as a general invective against all groups on the Left, and thereby guaranteed that the Bolsheviks would have to emerge as the leaders of the revolution. That's where all the nuances are to be found.

For anyone who actually wishes to gain some familiarity with just bare facts of the civil war, W. Bruce Lincoln, RED VICTORY, is a good place to start. Other works worth going on to later would be:

Peter Kenez, THE CIVIL WAR IN SOUTH RUSSIA (two volumes)
Jon Smele, CIVIL WAR IN SIBERIA
Peter Holquist, MAKING WAR, FORGING REVOLUTION
Lars Lih, BREAD AND AUTHORITY IN RUSSIA, 1914-1921
Orlando Figes, PEASANT RUSSIA, CIVIL WAR
John Reshetar, THE UKRAINIAN REVOLUTION, 1917-1920
George Stewart, THE WHITE ARMIES OF RUSSIA
William Graves, AMERICA'S SIBERIAN ADVENTURE
W.P. & Zelda Coates, ARMED INTERVENTION IN RUSSIA, 1918-1922
Greg King & Penny Wilson, THE FATE OF THE ROMANOVS

These are just a few interesting samplers, as the body of studies on the civil war is vast. One common false assumption to be avoided is the idea that terror, practiced on all sides in the civil war, was worse when done by the Reds. That's a Cold War myth. George Leggett, THE CHEKA, estimates about 140,000 executions by the Cheka on the side of the Reds in the civil war. But Ataman Semyonov among the Whites murdered more than 100,000 just within his own specific Siberian domain. Adding on more such acts of terror committed by White commanders in other regions would easily toss on more than another hundred thousand. It's hard to make exact comparisons between Red and White terror since all estimates were done separately and without a single methodology. But there certainly is no reason for seeing the Red terror as more extreme than the White terror, and was more likely a bit less extreme. This too just added to the problems which Allied interventionist forces experienced when trying to help the Whites win. No real question exists that the Allies did attempt to aid a White victory and the latter failed completely at the political level despite Allied efforts to aid them.

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> It was this elite, acting

> It was this elite, acting through Western banks, which appears to have surreptitiously provided the wherewithal for Lenin and Trotsky to destroy the Russian nation after the fall of the Tsarist regime at the end of World War I.

This is just a recycling of old myths made up by the Whites after their exile. Yes, the German government gave Lenin a trip back to Russia, and for a few months before the Brest-Litovsk Treaty was signed their were some Allied officials who were hoping they could use the Bolsheviks to stir revolution within Germany and sought to explore diplomatic relations along these lines. That's as far as the small grain of truth reaches. When the Allies, especially the British and French, had decided upon intervention in Russia in support of the Whites they gave an abundance of aid to them that more than made up for the bits of aid which Lenin had received from the Kaiser. The Whites lost the civil war because they totally alienated the great majority of Russians. That's all there was to it. There was no bankers conpiracy to engineer a Bolshevik victory. Bankers and everyone else were just forced to accept the reality that the Whites were too out of touch with their own country to achieve a victory in the civil war.

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that's not what I've read...

in fact it seems that Lenin and the Bolsheviks were kept afloat financially by folks like the Warburgs, Schiff, Morgan, Rockefeller, Milner and Rothschild families. All of this just after they had succeeded in establishing the federal reserve in order to take become permanent leeches on the American people. Russia apparently was at the time the one big European power without a central bank controlled by the banking clique. The way you dismiss any more nuanced explanation than "the Whites alienated the great majority of Russia" is a sign to me that you want to gloss over what actually happened. And around the same time Lord Rothschild had secured a promise of Palestine from Lord Balfour... this banking clique evolved over hundreds of years and is not a euphemism for "the Jews" though the bankers themselves make every effort to both perpetuate that myth AND fuel paranoia about anti-semitism--they use Jews in other words as human shields.

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> in fact it seems that

> in fact it seems that Lenin and the Bolsheviks were kept afloat financially by folks like the Warburgs, Schiff, Morgan, Rockefeller, Milner and Rothschild families

Christian Rakovsky provided support for revolutionaries in eastern Europe. The stuff about Rothschilds and Rockefellers is mainly just from Right-wing mythology written without very many sources that can track to anywhere. Of course jacob Schiff was known for supporting many liberals who left Russia, and it's perfectly plausible that in the process of aiding general dissidents from Czarist Russia some aid may as well have been given to other revolutionaries.

Antony Sutton makes a fair case that Trotsky likely received some aid as a refugee in New York during the winter of 1916-7. Most likely such aid would have come from Schiff, who was known for aiding such exiles from Czarist Russia without any special discrimination towards politics. Of course it would be absurd to use this as an argument for a conspiracy aimed at putting the Bolsheviks in power, since Trotsky was not a Bolshevik in the spring of 1917. It happens that he joined with Lenin in the summer, but that was not something which any hypothetical conspiracy would have been in any position to predict. If Schiff gave Trotsky some financial aid while he stayed in New York it would have been aid given to a general category of political exiles from Russia, much as Solzhenitsyn was welcomed in the USA as an exiled dissident. Schiff never showed any interest in supporting the Bolshevik revolution which later occurred.

The Whites in the civil war received a huge abundance of aid from England and France, but they wasted it through their own corruption. Anyone who significantly studies the Russian civil war will be aware that the White defeat in the war was the result of their total rejection by the mass of the Russian population. Nothing else. Every major historical account of the civil war makes this clear with abundant documentation. It simply has been a point of fascination on the political Right since the White defeat to erase this reality.

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I'm not an expert on this...

But I have trouble believing as you claim that all of this from so many sources is part of a vast right wing conspiracy. One thing that should be made clear is that the Bolsheviks were not the immediate winners of the Russian Revolution--wasn't there a time when the Czar stepped down and a government under Kerensky, that was not Communist, was formed? Didn't the Bolsheviks then continue until they were in power? And given that opposition to the Czar, i.e. the cause of democracy in Russia was then achieved, isn't it strange that ANYONE kept on supporting people like Lenin and Trotsky? By the way, you should also tell us what you think about 9/11--because if you also think we're wrong about that, well, we may better weigh your opinion on this other subject!

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> But I have trouble

> But I have trouble believing as you claim that all of this from so many sources

Which sources do you have in mind? The closest thing to a moderately credible source which I've found that represented this point in anything like a sourced academic way was Antony Sutton, WALL STREET AND THE BOLSHEVIK REVOLUTION. The others were just obvious Right-wing trash without even a veneer of scholarship. Sutton makes a number of errors throughout the whole text, but a critical study of his book can at least offer some new information. Not so the rest. But did you have someone specific in mind? Maybe I'm familiar and maybe not.

"Vast Right-wing conspiracy"? No!

"Common Right-wing ideology"? Yes, absolutely. There are certain things which people will just adopt as mantras. They don't base it on any study of anything or of belonging to any conspiracy. It's just a mantra. Happens all the time.

> And given that opposition to the Czar, i.e. the cause of democracy in Russia was then achieved

Well it wasn't. Russia was in a state of anarchy leading to layers of bloody conflicts overlapping each other right from the start of the Kerensky government. It was clear that this could only be a transition to something else. The question was what. People did not inherently support Lenin per se, but they were firmly committed to the revolution. At the time of the October Revolution the Bolsheviki did not attempt to ban other Left-wing parties. The Social Revolutionaries continued to participate in the government, and all other Left-wing parties were offered the same. The majority of Russians supported the dismissal of the Provisional Government and its replacement with a government of Soviets in which each Left-wing party, not the Bolsheviki alone, was allowed to participate. The White uprising and the fact that the Mensheviki and Right Social Revolutionaries tried to give their support to the Whites (who assassinated and imprisoned them anyway) created the polarization which allowed Lenin to then declare the Bolsheviki as the only party able to govern and lead the revolution, whether or not one accepts that. Although the majority of Russians were not enthusiastic about any side by the time the civil war was over, they never showed any indication of a wish to see the Whites win. That was clear and consistent all throughout.

The main reason why the civil war lasted as long as it did was simply that the regions where the Bolsheviki gained power tended to be those where the breakdown of the Czarist food distribution system had caused the worst effects and was generating chaos. The White officers formed their armies within major agricultural areas in south Russia and Siberia. Although the political attitude of the populace in these areas was clearly Left (tending towards the Mensheviki and Social Revolutionaries) the populace was still initially rather subdued and following many traditional patterns of obedience left over from the Czarist time. The Whites had this as an early advantage, but they wasted it and eventually even the populace in these regions turned overtly against them.

> tell us what you think about 9/11

Given the number of errors which have clearly accumulated amidst the would-be truth movement, I've given up pretending to have a well-decided opinion. It's more pertinent at this time to just go through the identifiable mistakes and see what may emerge eventually.

Case in point, this error spread by Chris Bollyn is commonly repeated:

http://911myths.com/html/benjamin_chertoff.html

Here's Benjamin Chertoff's actual statement:

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Here's the story, as best as I know: I'm not related to Michael Chertoff, at least in any way I can figure out. We might be distant relatives, 15 times removed, but then again, so might you and I. Bottom line is I've never met him, never communicated with him, and nobody I know in my family has ever met or communicated with him.

As for what my mom said: When Chertoff was nominated to be head of homeland security it was the first I'd heard of him, and the same for my family (and, FYI, we'd already sent the 9/11 issue to the press by then!). My dad and I thought there might be some distant relation. When Chris Bollyn called and asked my mom if there was a relation (introducing himself as only "Chris"), she said "they might be distant cousins." Like much in the conspiracy world, this was taken WAY out of context. (Another case in point: Bollyn called me earlier and asked "Were you the senior researcher on the story?" I said, "I guess so," -- that's not a title I have ever used, nor is it at all common in magazine journalism, but I was the research editor at the time, so it kinda made sense.) Nonetheless, I was one of 9 reporters on the story, not counting editors, photo researchers, photo editors, copy editors, layout designers, production managers, fact-checkers, etc., etc., etc. who worked on this story.
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Whatever else one wants to think of the man, let's try to avoid bloopers based on rumors the way this Bollyn story has turned out to be. It's possible that if things are gradually cleaned up something more may emerge.

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who cares about this kind of stuff anyway?

The more important issue surrounding Chertoff is what his role was in handling the investigation of the dozens of Israelis detained after 9/11, not whether he is related to some hack who worked on a hopelessly flawed and deliberately misleading article/book such as popular mechanics.

What I really want to know is whether you believe that the twin towers and building 7 were destroyed solely as a result of two aircraft impacts, or whether you accept that explosives were used to bring them down. You see, the best thing about 9/11 Truth is the 9/11 Razorâ„¢. People who at this point still claim to reject the obvious fact that explosives were used to destroy the WTC we can by default categorize as either liars or fools. I have found that people who lie about 9/11 lie about a lot of other things, too. People who foolishly choose to reject what amounts to a conclusive case for explosive demolition when they have thoroughly examined the evidence may not be dishonest (except perhaps with themselves) but they are also people whose opinions I have learned not to hold in high regard.

As to your critique of Bollyn, I heartily agree in principle. One problem with the "name-brand" truthers is that some of them are so often wrong about simple and usually irrelevant things that one can't help but suspect a Nietzschean effort to perfidiously harm the cause with faulty arguments. Again, here is the 9/11 Razorâ„¢ in effect--studying the myriad ways in which people have attempted to thwart the cause of 9/11 Truth is a window into the ways that we are constantly lied to and manipulated. With the case of 9/11, because it is so momentous and has had such an impact on everyone's lives, the world's liars are going into overdrive and revealing, perhaps unwittingly or wishfully, their methods for posterity. The idea that this issue will go away, that we real truthersâ„¢ are going to somehow vanish--even if we are "disappeared", "suicided", etc. (perhaps ESPECIALLY if we are) is a pipe dream on the part of some hopelessly criminal devotees of the official conspiracy theory.

We can't be stopped because we are embedded in our environs, in our society, in the means of communication. We have succeeded against all efforts to stop us and have made the future once again unpredictable--we have dismantled the levers of malevolent social control. Those of us who see clearly what is happening have the benefit of acting in ways that are not overtly understood by those who either don't or aren't capable of understanding the whole truth. We don't explain what we are really doing because even if we did the only people who would understand are those who are solidly on our side. We have, in other words, learned the secrets, such as they are, that have been known to conspirators for centuries if not millenia. Not just the specific methods and tactics but how they have actually been employed throughout history.

The real perpsâ„¢ on the other hand rely on the services of a great number of people to whom they cannot and will not reveal the truth--to whom they cannot give the ultimate knowledge that we freely share with those who are ready and willing to know it. While they tear their hair out at the bumbling of their minions against a resisting force that they are still struggling to understand we simply continue to push everything and everyone towards the inevitable conclusion that we know because we we understand. Even the perps, who know "all the secrets" are blinded by their hubris, by their unwillingness to accept defeat.

Let me put it this way--there is a New World Orderâ„¢ and there is, simply, a new world order. Or you could say there is the old "NWO" and there is the new world order. There is no further explanation necessary or even possible--you either get it or you don't. In any case, thank you for the material--I do intend to study it and determine where the truth is.

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Thanks for the insightful, full-vision commentary G,

Instead of arguing about all the minutia attached to the many small parts of this puzzle, all you have to do is step back and look at all the major pieces that have been placed together, and the pictures formed by all those pieces we have already, and what has been going on, not only since 9/11, but for quite some time now becomes fairly obvious.

Also, a belated thanks for your new, expanded and hilarious WTCD sock puppet show. I’m going to have to compile a cast list to keep track of them all. Tim Russet with the halo speaking on our blog from the Way Beyond, wow! I literally woke up in the middle of the night several nights ago, and for some weird reason, out of the blue, I wondered if Jon Gold had visited WTCD since the appearance of the 9/11 Family Guy.

Anyways Gret, thanks for your good work and crazed, but essential humour. Good luck with the summer schkool students. I think the flouride levels are getting higher now in that high school drinking fountain water. It’s a Brave New World.

Oh yeah, I think you should pop yer comments here up on the front page as a blog entry. There’s my vote right there. Sehr gut.

Chris's picture

"I wondered if Jon Gold had

"I wondered if Jon Gold had visited WTCD since the appearance of the 9/11 Family Guy."

HA! i wondered the same thing when i saw it. thats the best sock puppet yet, very fitting. loved your critique of Zeitgeist by the way, especially the 9/11 part. i always mention Dov Zakheim as one of the top perps to anyone i talk to 9/11 about. im still waiting for a 9/11 film that isnt afraid to name names and point fingers at the most likely perps. all of them, not just Cheney,Myers, Rummy etc. even if its extremely low budget, somebody needs to get on that. :hint hint Lazlo: )

9-11 Family Guy's picture

who you callin' a sock puppet, pal?

and who is this Jon Gold guy everyone keeps talking about? hey, off topic but... does anyone know how the Keen On LIHOP conference went? I meant to go but unfortunately it conflicted with my volunteer work with, um, children and stuff...

Chris's picture

you should do a Victronix or Arabesque sock puppet next........

i gotta give Jon a bit of credit though, the whole "i support the families"(who doesnt ass?) shield seems to work pretty well for him. indict Cheney,Bush and Pakistan! ignore the men behind the curtain......

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this site needs more puppets

[expletive deleted] want to [expletive deleted] hop shill backwater [expletive deleted] thought do [expletive deleted] fuckwits [expletive deleted]. 

gretavo's picture

aw, thanks!

that is one of the nicest (if raunchiest!) comments we've ever gotten, mouse! sorry about our PG-13 filter, btw--as you know this is a family site. anyway thanks for being such a loyal reader and contributor!

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so did you ever

think of writing for tv???

 

gretavo's picture

running out of socks

going to have to stock up again before the fall. but Chris--you seem to be under the mistaken impression that the sock puppets are based on real truthers--they most certainly are not. LIHOPopotamus and Lucky Larry for instance--totally fictional! Of course the Dancinng Israelis (Posh, Sporty, and Scary) are based on real perps--er, people, but they are the exception. but who knows what could happen--stay tuned! and nice to see you around--been a while!

gretavo's picture

you're the jedi master around here Laz

the rest of us are trailing in your wake! thanks for the vote. our international banker advocating annoymouse inspired me this morning to vent--normally i wouldn't reveal so many of our protocols in two or three comments! maybe someday one of our couriers will be hit by lightning and the world will finally know what our movement is all about! :)

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> The way you dismiss any

> The way you dismiss any more nuanced explanation than "the Whites alienated the great majority of Russia"

To be able to speak of a nuanced explanation one must first learn some details of the Russian civil war and then the nuance comes from those details. [Annoymouse: Log in to post or leave out the snark. -- c455]

Case in point:

> they had succeeded in establishing the federal reserve in order to take become permanent leeches on the American people

Wrong. No foreigners own any part of the Fed and the creation of something of this type was an unavoidable consequence of the conquest of North America. Contrary to another Right-wing myth, the idea of money based on interest was not created in 1913. Just the opposite. In the 19th century when European settlers were expanding across the continent it was a fairly normal thing for private money-lenders with only minimal assets to go the frontier regions and make loans which valued not 10 but 20,000 times the actual assets which the lender possessed. This sometimes became a scandal, but the scandal effect was limited as long as expansion on the continent continued. With so many new fortunes being created everyday it was an easy matter to make out huge loans and then get paid back for them many times over without really ever having to fess up to what you've claimed to loan. Once the expansion on the continent had been completed this was no longer workable and so it became necessary to establish some formal framework whereby loans could be made on credit according to set standards. The formation of the Fed accomplished that. None of this has anything at all to do with the outcome of the Russian civil war. It's just a means by which conservatives try to dodge the detailed issues of how the war went and why the Whites lost. [See above. -- c455]

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>No foreigners own any part of the Fed and the creation of something of this type was an unavoidable consequence of the conquest of North America.

Foreigners don't have to own any part of the Fed for it to be part of an international banking clique with common aims. Moreover, can you say that none of the Fed founder-bankers were blood relatives of European bankers?

The creation of "something of this type"? Well sure, like a banking system. Like Lincoln's greenbacks. The particular something that was created is an obvious scam and amounts to the outsourcing and privatization of something that should be wholly in the hands of the people via their government. The argument is simply laid out in the video Money as Debt. Perhaps you should watch it and rebut the arguments in it.

Finally no one claims that lending at interest was invented in 1913. Lending at interest has been around since at least ancient Greece and for all I know well before that. That is why history is full of injunctions against usury--it has ALWAYS been abused. Today's banking and finance industry is a huge racket, and it evolved from the rackets perfected by the Rothschild family among others.

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> Lending at interest has

> Lending at interest has been around since at least ancient Greece and for all I know well before that. That is why history is full of injunctions against usury

Within religious states, yes. But a central premise of capitalism has been that the willingness and ability of people to seek the best self-interest is ultimately to the public benefit. To be fair, the capitalist system did produce great wealth for the majority of US citizens up until at least the 1960s. The decline began to set in after that, but that wasn't because of any conspiracy launched in 1913. It was simply that the economy was filled and what Mark called "the decline in the rate of profit" to take effect. The corruption we live with today is a consequence of capitalism having reached the essential limits of its growth. But many of the best years of that growth occurred with the Federal Reserve as part of the system. Under the pre-1913 financial system the prosperity of the 1950s would more likely have been broken apart by bank runs which used to occur regularly in the 19th century. Our modern system is sufficiently ingenious that it has slowed the steady decline of capitalism to a crawl, rather than creating a major crash as used to occur. Maybe we really would be better off with a massive panic and a run on the banks causing a total crash. Then the system would end faster. But that's a very different issue.

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our prosperity

in America has many other better explanations than the miracle of capitalism. I am not opposed to capitalism or any other ism in principle. They either work or they don't, and they are either honestly applied or dishonestly manipulated. the problem is that people are taught to have low standards for themselves. all of our technological progress if shared by all humanity would mean that we would all be able to work much less than we do now and instead spend time on more exalting activities like art. but this doesn't happen. instead the system keeps us all busy, ultimately in the effort to produce bigger and better ways of killing ourselves and destroying the planet. basically America was "chosen" to have its turn in the sun, and that turn is now coming to an end. those who make these decisions are not necessarily interested in anything but wielding power and control. they do this because they believe themselves to be superior, which they do because in fact they have themselves become so stupi as to believe their own bullshit and their own standards have therefore become woefully low. to some extent they also fear the future and fear losing control. it is unimportant to identify these elites--their names and backgrounds and even their actions are secondary to the emergent system that they have been riding the waves of. emergent systems, being complex by definition, are unpredictable and that is why the elites value knowledge, science, and education (for themselves anyway). in lieu of actually being able to retain control through better knowledge and wisdom (since they have realized they can no longer do it) they are resorting to the fist and hammer, and thereby betraying their own tradition and what kept them in control for as long as they were. it's on the rubble heap that will be left after this denoument that we will be building the future. our task of course is to minimize the size of that heap and make the transition as smooth as possible.

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let me put it this way...

let me put it this way... i'm a decent chess player--i have studied the game and can usually beat those who know the rules but don't really know more than that. on the other hand, i will never be able to beat a real honest to goodness chess fanatic. the reason is simple. i can't apply to myself the discipline to see a game through to the end against someone who is determined to do just that without making a mistake. excelling at chess is simply a matter of excelling at rote mental analysis--that is why computers will from now on always be better at chess than people--they will always be able to work through the complexity of the game better than humans to the point that someday the best human chess player will only be able to tie the best computer, and that if he or she is lucky. if you think a googol is a big number, consider that the possible permutations of a chess game dwarf that number--this is one reason that early in the development of computers people thought that humans would always be the machine's superior at the game. they were wrong. For all those possible permutations, the game is still relatively simple compared to the complexity of, for example, human affairs. Whereas a computer can "touch bottom" as it were with chess, it will be shocking to me if they are ever able to do the same with the more complex "game of life". Needless to say a human being is not much better suited to bottoming out the complexity of life and reducing it to an equation, formula, or algorithm. This turns the advantage away from those who rely on rote analysis as in chess. Rote analysis, reduction of the game to simple principles and the avoidance of mistakes, is useless in the game of life. or not entirely useless but very much inferior to the "fuzzy logic" that human beings are still best at. as hard as it is to become a grandmaster of chess, imagine then how hard it is to become a "grandmaster of life". the first step in both is of course to learn the rules. the second is to avoid mistakes. beyond that there is not much in chess, but it is just the beginning in the game of life. get it?

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AJ interviews Richard C. Cook today

Interview straddles Hr 1 - Hr 2

Alex talks with former NASA analyst Richard C. Cook, Bob Chapman of the International Forecaster, and Freeman of the Freeman Perspective.

If you've never heard of Bob Chapman, I recommend listening to his take on runaway hyperinflation now taking place that is to culminate in massive deflation and crash in 2-3 years.

Archive available here later in the day:

http://www.nw0.info/?p=Radio/Alex%20Jones%20Radio%20Archive/2008/July/