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casseia's picture

A number of things have occurred to me over the last couple of weeks -- none of which deserves its own blog entry, probably. I thought I'd make a place for some miskellaneous kommentary.

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casseia's picture

Zorglub

A little drama over at the blogger this afternoon in two sort-of related threads, in which commenter Zorglub directly confronts Jon Gold and/or makes a criticism of a family member.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/15331
http://www.911blogger.com/node/15353

After Jon Gold's minion DHS shows up to pigpile on the guy, Reprehensor brings out the ban hammer -- for use on Zorglub, naturally. Unfortunately, this means Zorglub's contact information is not available -- I'd thought I'd shoot him an email and let him know where the life raft is.

larry horse's picture

zorglub pt. 2

maybe you could contact him here.
http://letsrollforums.com/member.php?u=1172
that is, if you don't mind registering for the letstrollforum.

casseia's picture

Yeah, I noticed him over there...

and I registered, thinking I would PM him, but I see he hasn't logged on since last year -- I mean, maybe he gets notified of PMs, but if he doesn't, I could waste SECONDS of my valuable time.

dicktater's picture

Haw, haw, haw...

So, Zorglub is doing a WAC job on Gold. Jon Gold is pushing DHS around in a wheelchair. And with DHS screaming, Gold veers and smashes it into Zorglub. Then the cops, I mean Reprecensor comes along and arrests Zorglub and ships him off for a little Gitmo holiday, never to be heard from again.

He'll need a life raft to get back now.

casseia's picture

Ah, a real laugh out loud post...

Thanks.

Zorglub's picture

Hello everybody,

I'm just back from my Gitmo holliday (LOL).

I have long suspected that Jon Gold (and the "Jersey Girls") are professional con artists and 911Blogger just as fake as 911truth.org, now i know it. Did someone tell Dylan Avery about it? I was surprised to see him sitting between Gold and Van Auken in this video.

Thanks to em7 for bringing me here.

P45's picture

Welcome Zorglub

Damn thats one big avatar, and scary! 

 

gretavo's picture

welcome Zorglub's small avatar

sorry Z but if you have a giant avatar then EVERYONE will want one... and the site might collapse, mostly due to server failure because the graphics will be just too intense...

Zorglub's picture

Hi Gretavo, At least this

Hi Gretavo,

At least this avatar is smaller, I just hope it is not too intense (lol).

larry horse's picture

hi Zorglub

it's good to have you aboard.  this ship doesn't sink. 

Annoymouse's picture

Hello Scruby

Thanks for showing me the way to here. They are not that many sites not afraid of following the trail of evidence where it leads to.

I think Gold and the Jersey Girls are part of the same gang. Their avoidance of the CD evidence is too systematic to be simple ignorance or denial. But the good think is that they don't dare denying it outright for fear of being completely discredited.

Annoymouse's picture

Lorie van Auken

provided a blurb for David Griffin's new book, which I thought was a good sign. I don't absolutely suspect any of them of being dishonest--Jon Gold is a different matter. We should all maintain a healthy skepticism about anyone and everything having to do with 9/11, and that is where Gold comes in to try to enforce control over the discourse. Maybe the Jersey Girls are legit victims' family members, but I HIGHLY doubt every family member is. Just ask an insurance company how many people have ever tried to claim the loss of a loved one fraudulently to collect a claim in the aftermath of a disaster. If Jon Gold was in the insurance business he'd go bankrupt in a month the way he thinks that victims' family members and billionaire arsonis--er, real estate developers are all beyond reproach. -gReT

bruce1337's picture

Welcome aboard!

Judging by the ruckus you fearlessly incited @ 911blogger, you'll fit right in!

casseia's picture

Burn any Lihoppers recently?

This is a new low point for discourse over there -- thanks to Scrubby for speaking up (my moderated comment is nowhere to be found).

Zorglub,

Just in case youre still bothering to visit and read this page , i wanted to let you know that theres alot of people out there - including myself- who totally agree with you that 6.5 years of talk about 'foreknowledge' of a fictional 'al-quaida' plot is more than enough, and seems to have served mainly as a big smokescreen for the REAL questions about that day. Such as who blew up those towers.
Heres a blog i can recommend, where you won't get banned in such a dubious way for adding 1+1 together out loud: http://www.wtcdemolition.com/blog
Submitted by em7 on Sat, 05/03/2008 - 2:12am.
» reply | 3 points

Isn't that that site...

Where the "Jersey Girls" are considered "fake family members", the Zionists control the world, the Holocaust and the Moon Landing never happened, 911Blogger.com is constantly badmouthed, the useless term "LIHOP" is used no differently than "kike, spic, and nigger" (words I despise), and Jon Gold is the subject of ridicule and slander at every opportunity?
Why isn't Dick Cheney in prison?
Submitted by Jon Gold on Sat, 05/03/2008 - 5:33am.

gretavo's picture

Jon Gold needs to get over himself...

As difficult as it may be to scale the massive ego and physical girth. As time passes and he realizes that no, he is not perceived as a leader of the truth movement, that no, no one believes his "sincere strong man of conscience" routine, that he has instead established himself and his legacy as one of the fake truthers whose goal all along was to shield the real perpetrators of 9/11, or at least those who like him are Zionists, he reveals more of his crass and coarse essence. A thug is a thug is a thug, no matter how much he tries to convince others he isn't. Jon Gold is a thug in sensitive man clothing, a false prophet who is inwardly a ravening wolf. He is about as pathetic as they come, which is why his shtick must be shielded from criticism by censorship and periodic purges on any forum he tries to peddle his horseshit (sorry Larry Horse, it's not you, it's him.) His is the typical Zionist ploy of thugs playing the victim card at every opportunity since they can't actually back up their BS with anything else. Jon Gold is going to go down in history as the clown prince of the fake truth movement, one of the bozos who was so incompetent and, let's just say it, so lacking in intelligence that he helped the real truthers figure out what was going on in time to thwart the fakers' Silverstein-funded LIHOP limited hangout escape route.

gretavo's picture

oh, and...

he hates me because I'm latino, I'm quite sure of it. the way he felt the need to point out that he actually hates those racial slurs he simply HAD to write clinched it for me. i'm frankly surprised he didn't throw one in about arabs or muslims or pakistanis, since he seems so keen to make everyone think they are capable of Zionist-type crimes against humanity... but hey, don't suggest Larry Silverstein is a bad man because Jon will ask you why you feel the need to "burn more Jews". Gosh, sorry Mr. Silverstein, I didn't realize you were Jewish! Now that I know, I'll know better than to suspect you of being a dirty rotten mafia boss and all around cockroach!

casseia's picture

Some folks just REALLY DO NOT

like the LIHOP/MIHOP terms, because at this point in the game, the crucial distinction they point to is the last thing they want anyone to think about. And it's not the let it/made it distinction -- as anyone knows, the terms have evolved and now mean, respectively, "brown people scare me, especially when that fact can be used to shield Zionists" and "let's look at who is really behind this." This was a last ditch desperation move -- and so intellectually dishonest that it actually increases my esteem for Jon Gold's intellect -- to pretend that that they are in any way similar to racial slurs.

gretavo's picture

he also found this!

Source: deseretnews.com

By Tad Walch
Deseret News
Published: Saturday, May 3, 2008 12:19 a.m. MDT

Sixteen months ago, Brigham Young University and Steven Jones parted ways, but he said this week he isn't bitter about the academic divorce.

He certainly hasn't curtailed his volatile research on the collapse of the three World Trade Center towers after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

(Yes, three towers fell, not just two. If you didn't know that, Jones is particularly interested in reaching you with his message that some other group, in addition to al-Qaida, likely contributed to the collapses.)

In fact, Jones is the lead author of a paper on the collapses published April 18 in a civil engineering journal.

larry horse's picture

gold is in PR teddybear mode again

http://911blogger.com/node/15411
how many times has he quit his fake truth movement? enough said.

Annoymouse's picture

he didn't quit...

again, but at least now we know that "many" means 15. If he quits the movement about six more times he will have quit it many times, in other words. See, even when Jon Gold assures you it's not about him, it is, in fact, about him.

But this time he didn't have to quit, the following post was up before he could say goodbye cruel movement. Note the LIHOP reference, and the fact that the commenter has all of five comments since joining 911B 29 weeks ago, just about a month after creating a website with all of ten blog posts on it for the last 8 months. Now, I'm not sayan, you know, just sayan! ;)

I don't post or comment
I don't post or comment often, but I have followed the 9/11 truth movement for some time, at least 2005, and have spoken about it to many people, with varying success. I don't know exactly what happened on that fateful day, but I know what did not. And I know a new, honest, investigation is more than desirable, it is a necessary thing for all the world to witness.

I, for one, believe that you, Mr. Jon Gold, have absolutely stood up to that bar in a highly admirable way. I live in New Jersey and was in shock when 9/11 happened and snuffed out the lives of 3000+ people, made countless more suffer from exposure to toxic dust by virtue of their heroism in responding to the tragedy, or simply by living or working near ground zero. Still more will suffer for the rest of their lives as family members of the victims. Every time I travel to or near New York city I get very emotional seeing the empty spot in the skyline, and knowing what was allowed and/or facilitated by those who are supposed to be trusted to uphold the values of America, our government. I, like many, have come to see that the truth about the world we live in is much larger and more complicated than the 9/11 operation. However, 9/11, having affected all Americans, is a big part of 'waking up' the masses. I didn't know anyone who lost their life. A good friend of mine lost her brother, a NYPD officer, on that day. But I never forget those who were lost and those who suffer, and I applaud and salute you for keeping them in the forefront of your mind, and the subject of much of your posts and activism. We all lost something on September 11, but many lost everything. That should never be forgotten.

Submitted by insideTheMasterMind on Mon, 05/05/2008 - 3:12am

Lazlo Toth's picture

We love you because you ARE Latino.

A brother with the Tropicalismo spirit. Hello G from intensive research land. It’s going smashingly well!

Lz

gretavo's picture

i'm not one to play that card, actually...

But Jon Gold has a way of making people want to throw an entire deck at him, and I don't mean Steve Alten's new roof deck. As a mix of lord knows what I'm not quite sure what race I would ally myself with if I decided to be a racist... the human race, perhaps? or maybe a three-legged race somewhere if I could find a partner that was into that... whatever our races, what's more important is our faces, and that each of us try to have less than two, something that Jon Gold has yet to master... it boils down to this--would you rather deal with an honest and open disagreement or be tricked into loving a liar?

casseia's picture

If you're already spending Friday night online...

Why not check out this "experiment" at Air America?

http://airamerica.com/clout/blog/2008/may/02/hollywood-clout#new
Are there thousands of you out there that would like to have 9/11 and the deeper issues it represents be a stronger focus on Progressive radio?

Let's find out!

The first hour of our show tonight will be with Richard Belzer ("Law and Order") as a Co-Host and I WILL ask him, on air, about his views on 9/11. Then, starting the 2nd hour, at 10:05 Eastern we will "meet" as a community.

This "experiment" is part of "The MONTH of TRUTH" Debates that beganlast night on CLOUT! where we had a preliminary discussion on the nature of Conspiracies and False Flag Operations. I played a few minutes from "Zeitgeist, The Movie" and had Webster Tarpley and Mark Fenster, a law professor and author of "Conspiracy Theories: Secrecy and Power in American Culture." Most importantly, while Professor Fenster said that it was "50-50" that the JFK, RFK and MLK assassinations were conspiracies, he put 9/11 at "1%."

Yeah, I guess you have to register.

casseia's picture

Or you could watch "Escape to Chimp Eden"

on Animal Planet. That South African guy who rescues chimps is soooo dreamy.

casseia's picture

Sigh... blog voting disabled at 911b

Rep has pulled the plug on blog voting after YT complained that his thread on the West Coast event had received too many bad votes from "cowards." (7 votes, average vote 6.6 probably equals 4 votes of 10 and 3 of 1.) Why do I care? I'll be specific because, in fact, I don't vote on blogs there as much as I used to. Of the two blogs that have had a little blog-author snit following them in the commentary, I hadn't voted on either. But given the strict moderation many of us are under, when we can't expect even civil posts to be published if they address certain members, it's patent bullshit to call anonymous down-voting cowardly. For all either YT or Jon Gold know, the person who voted "1" then left a comment offering a non-anonymous critique that was shown the trash bin by a board mod. Really.

Now, just because I'm pissed off, I will speculate on why some people might have voted YT's blog down -- which I would not have done myself. First of all, as should be obvious to many posters here, the moderation policy at YT's own forum has been unfair in the extreme and downright bizarre in some cases. Does he give a fuck? I would say no. Does he realize that he has generated some general antipathy with these actions? Secondly, it has become increasingly clear that some people are turned off by YT's professional activist schtick. The 11th of the month idea, which had been bantered about at 911blogger, was seized by him and refashioned into his own "brand" -- something he allegedly "spends as many as a hundred hours a week working on. " (WTF? Work smarter, not harder, dude. Seriously, what can he possibly be doing for 2.5 full-time jobs?) This was an idea that was intended to be viral and grass-roots -- not one person's personal destiny.

Edit: Just to kontinue my kvetch a little further, I wonder if the blog-author-snit types as a group have any overlap with the "vote some people -- like Kevin Barrett -- down regardless of topic" group. Ya think?

Annoymouse's picture

LOL you miserable skank

Sitting around spinning lies... get a fucking life.

casseia's picture

Hmmm...

Who posted this, do you suppose?

There's a consistent misuse of the word "lie" among some Truthers (is there some sort of interference between the two terms?). Opinions with which you do not agree are not necessarily lies. I guess (mis-)use of the word "lie" gives a certain fake moral weight to the writer's opinion that just expressing disagreement would not.

LIHOPopotamus's picture

I haven't a clue...

...who posted it, much less who approved it from the comment queu for that matter. I was going to just comment on the voting down of my posts, which I attribute to anti-water mammal bias in the truther community. what people may not know is how fast and agile we LIHOPopotami are on land, in addition to being excellent swimmers.

larry horse's picture

killer hippos

you are also responsible for killing more people in a given year than lions, buffaloes, leopards, rhinos, and elephants combined. what is it you have against humans? btw, that wide-angle lens used for your avatar is anything but flattering.

LIHOPopotamus's picture

just the kind of crap I'd expect from a land horse...

You all have been humans' slaves for HOW long? And from YOUR pic we can see the result of all your brown nosing. You know "hippopotamus" means "river horse" right? Thankfully though I am a LIHOPopotamus, which is not quite the same...

gretavo's picture

this bad boy is using the Tor anonymizer...

https://kyirong.ath.cx/

The IP it uses is 89.248.169.109

Anyway, I'm assuming you approved it in the comment queu C455? I would hope anyway that people would defer to the person being insulted for such decisions. :)

In any case if it needed to be said at all you are NOT a miserable skank, you are an amazing, intelligent, and beautiful skank and we all love you!! ;)

casseia's picture

Yes, 'twas I who approved it...

I embrace my skankitude.

Tahooey's picture

that must be one hell of an embrace

with all those tentacles