Controlled Demolition of the Economy? Whoa!
"I wonder what Americans would do if they truly understood the trouble they are in. I wonder what they would do if they knew America’s gold had been spent by the military-industrial complex in 1950-1970. I wonder what they would do if they knew about the dangers posed by investment bank credit default swaps, CDSs, a $62 trillion unregulated market that could destroy the global economy as quickly and as easily as charged explosives brought down three towers at the World Trade Center on 9/11." http://www.kitco.com/ind/schoon/apr222008.html
This reminded me of the part in The Money Masters that claims that there isn't actually any gold left in Fort Knox (or not nearly as much as we're led to believe anyway!)Â I think a gold boycott will soon be in order--who needs it!
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The gold suppression cartel
At http://gata.org you can learn about the corpguv conspiracy to rig the gold market, specifically to suppress the price. With the Fed Reserve Note being backed by jack sheet, the price of gold would act as somewhat of a smoke detector, or canary in a coal mine, indicating trouble with global faith in fiat paper currency IE the dollar. So various corpguv parties quietly colluded to "disconnect the smoke detector", and it is thought, they've been dumping national physical gold reserves onto the world market. But the CT continues by speculating that this game is in its final round because there's no more national gold reserve to dump-- so gold bugs bet on gold to shoot into the 1000s/ounce in the coming few years as the market rigging ceases, and there is a panic flight from paper currency.
REAL Annoymouse advises getting any savings out of the dollar coz it's going to crash. Gold is an obvious alternative but there are others. Have some gold & silver hidden away for emergency barter when the economy really implodes... and yes, economic implosion is exactly what they've been engineering. Housing boom/bust was no accident; destroying the Middle Class and converting to neo-feudalism is where we're going. With gold <900 now & silver <17 (about a month ago they were >1000 & >21), this is a nice little dip on their bumpy road much higher, me thinks.
Oh yeah, then there's food supply problems, what we've seen (Costco rationing rice purchases!) is just the beginning. Build a home reserve of at least a couple months worth of food/water for that time when things get really hot, stores are empty and/or periods of acute civil unrest makes going out for food etc very hazardous. Get a vegee garden going too. But spending a few thousand today on canned food will be smart financially as well as survival-wise, as we are entering hyper-inflation now ($120 oil ripples through everything!). You're going to eat the food eventually regardless (as you'll need to rotate older cans), food prices are going to keep rising, and you could view it as getting out of the dollar, and into FOOD. Gold is store of value & medium of exchange for barter, but it tastes like shit.
AJ fear-mongering?
screw it, if it gets that bad, i'll wing it. how about getting a fishing pole and a bunch of waterproof matches to light fires for those long, cold winters wandering the countryside trying to stay out of the NWO policesquad's view. YAWN...
- crunching hay in a horse's mouth
Is that you, Gret?
I ask because the tone of the comment above sounds like yours (anti-AJ), and ~1.5 day after I wrote a reply simply asking what if anything you feel is harmful about making some preps for what we can see coming economically; that comment has evidently been rejected by the WTCD PTB.
Was Steven Jones wrong when he wrote on 4/2/08:
" ...
6. I've been talking for many months about the importance of getting some food and water stored up, for three months at least! Better for longer, like a year. I've been asked -- where do you get cans of wheat, oats, rice, beans, etc?
An easy and I think cost-effective way to do this (based on research by my daughter Danelle), is to go to this link:
**************Order page from distribution center to have them send you boxes of already-canned food storage
http://www.ldscatalog.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?cata...
For example,
2 boxes (12 #10 cans) pinto beans (5.2 lbs per can =
62.4 lbs.)
9 boxes (54 #10 cans) wheat (5.8 lbs per can = 313.2
lbs)
Total price delivered anywhere in the
U.S.: $248.60 as of 22 March 2008--plus tax in many
states. Delivered in 2-3 weeks
If you can find it cheaper (including delivery), pls let me know. In Utah, we can buy canned wheat, oats, beans etc. at some grocery stores, but I understand this is not common elsewhere. In any case, the prices above are competitive or better than the local stores anyway.
7. You should have some benefit for waking up to what is going on -- get that food storage NOW while you're thinking about it. Still not too expensive, food prices will probably rise later this year.
8. And please think of a "place of refuge" or two where you and family might go, should a nasty "event" take place in your city or near you. PRE-planning and preparation are much better than 20-20 hind-sight. We can get through this, together...
See you in camp! (j/k, I hope.)"
I don't think so.
I don't think that comment was from gret -- believe it or not, there are actually a number of people who see AJ as a fear-monger and panic profiteer. There's nothing wrong with being prepared for a natural disaster (or an unnatural one), but there's also no guarantee your post will be treated with reverence by other WTCD'ers.
As for the post that didn't show up, I'm pretty sure I was the one to delete it. I don't recall precisely why, in this case, but as a rule, I have a MUCH lower tolerance for crap from annoymice than from either a) registered users or b) unregistered users who at least sign their name to their posts.
Well some annoymouse made a
Well some annoymouse made a remark smearing the OP (me) as an AJ-esque fear mongerer, despite the OP making no reference to AJ, and that comment got through no prob; but not my simple query in response to the snarky comment. This gave the appearance that the snarky comment was most likely from a mod commenting annoymousously, who then didn't want to have to answer re the problem with their remark when it was pointed out, opting instead to reject the reply when it was in the queue. If correct, a very unflattering chain of events for said mod.
Note also that the article featured in the blog points us to kitco, a precious metals site, where the author discusses the (engineered) economic collapse we're all looking down the barrel of. So the second annoymouse comment above was both uncalled for & trollish.
my guess would be larry horse
but i dunno. part of the problem with the gold and canned food hoarding is that it plays into a new cycle of fear that is probably unnecessary and definitely unhelpful. AJ for example sells apocalypse preparation crap on his site in a clear conflict of interest. likewise, people who encourage everyone to buy gold are just driving the price up so they can sell theirs when it maxes out, IMHOp... :)
selling gold coins
The problem is that infowars and other sites like it are overflowing with snake oil shit. Let's just say you had not ever heard of the guy or his videos on the NWO and 'the globalists' and you logged onto the site. I doubt any of us would be able to just look over things like:
TYPE AT HOME JOBS - FOR INFOWARS.COM VISITORS:: Data Entry Workers Needed! Make $30 - $50 Per Form! Easily $200+ Per Day!
GUNS FOR FOOD. Drop guns and take bread line voucher to station #4
BREAKING FOX NEWS: How to DRIVE AROUND USING WATER as FUEL. Everyone can do it very easy - Very simple device. FOX 26 NEWS breaking news.
These are just three examples of advertisements mixed in and hidden as 'news'. Is it just ironic that one of the main news headlines on infowars.com today is:
"Manipulations in Time of War and Hunger"
yes, it was lh
i thought the horse's mouth signature gave it away, but whatever. as far as the comment, i'm just not that into redecorating my place with 10,000 cans of beans and some gold chains. i'm having enough trouble keeping my new hippo happy in the bathtub.
what do YOU guess is happening; & will happen, gret?
browse these housing crash articles alone: http://patrick.net
many of them discuss the big economic picture as well, "peak debt" etc... I think it's quite obvious that we're heading into Great Depression 2.0, and this one will make the last look like a sunday picnic. Deeper depression, mixed with an openly adversarial gummint.
Let's imagine, hypothetically of course, that this "imminent greater depression thing" were indeed in our near future. What would YOU recommend doing to prep? Without gold/food "hoarding", of course.
On AJ's sensationalism & fear mongering, that's a big red herring here-- first raised by LH. And shocker: I don't disagree! His sites are an embarrassing vegas strip of noisy banner ads for hokey shit. He plugs his wares every 5 mins on his show. nuff said, and off the topic anyways.
This site looks interesting...
I'm a little doubtful about someone offering "webinars" but there appears to be useful information there for free, as well. I found this on Ningen's blog:
http://www.chrismartenson.com/
Scary stuff
But hard to deny he has a point!
The "happy plum" cartoon was much more enjoyable, although perhaps a bit less informative.
Either way thanks for the interesting links, it's great when I can get all my infotainment right here in one stop :)
beware self-fulfilling prophecies
the nature of economics is that you can go from one extreme to another based just on people's expectations. if people are convinced that "things are getting worse" they will in fact make things worse by hoarding and not spending. the screwed up money system only has power over us if we let it. at some point people will have a choice--panic, hoard, loot, etc. or act rationally, mainatin order, help one another, etc. The best thing the 9/11 perps can do for themselves before they go down is to convince everyone else that they too are going down. It only takes a few liars and a few idiots listening to them to wreak real havoc.
well, yeah,
but enter $120 oil... presumably going higher, biology bites you know. Introduce bacteria to a petri dish with some finite sustaining resource, bacteria population explodes, resource dries up, bacteria die off. At their population peak the bacteria can look at each other all day saying don't worry be happy keep it orderly and rational and we'll get through this, and guess what, won't matter. That's us, oil's the sustaining resource (of the lifestyle to which we've become accustomed), and we have an adversarial gummint there to "help us through". Guess what? we're on our own. As SJones said above, take advantage of you're being awake, employ the knowledge.
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