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Cicero says:
"I entered this discussion before having completed Griffin's book; at this point I am convinced beyond a shadow of doubt about 9/11 being a false flag operation."
A. HUSSEIN

Wow! You are convinced 911 was a deliberate plan orchestrated by Bush 43 not just beyond a reasonable doubt, but beyond "a shadow of a doubt." Thankfully, you reside in Vancouver BC and will never be called to serve on an American jury trial. With someone with your infinitesimally low threshold for evidence, facts, and common sense, a prosecutor need only appeal to your warped ideology to get your guilty vote.

Your optimism regarding the conversion of ignorant people to your Bush 911 conspiracy mindset is the only hope for "truthers." Not to open a new investigation, which was never the goal of the "truthers," but to incite a "revolution," as Kameelyun proposes. Those who are already aware of DRG's theories are hip to the flaws, contradictions, and outright fabrications that he proposes. You do need to find naive nitwit virgins to indoctrinate since your thinking process is short-circuited when challenged by those who know both sides of DRG and NIST.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 28, 2007 2:57 PM PDT
Steve Farrell says:
Cicero,

I particularly like how we Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory have to account for every detail of the events of 9/11, every bowed perimeter column, every drop of jet fuel, every speck of dust, every cell phone call, every word out of Cheney's mouth, and every creak in WTC7. In contrast, the 9/11 Truth Movement only has to give a vague, speculative account of what may have occurred if the entire thing was either rigged in advance by the all-powerful Star Chamber or maybe just allowed to happen on purpose. Or something.

False flag operation? Well, I'll go along with the 'false' bit.

RT replies to the would-bedunkers:

Well, you're the ones who are making extraordinary claims about some evil arab muslim conspiracy and using it to justify the illegal and immoral wars being waged against the people of the middle east. should you NOT be able to account for the veracity of your claims, given that they have been used to harm america so profoundly?

It is you folks who say you know exactly who did it and how, and when we point out flaws and inconsistencies in your claims you accuse US of not having evidence?

You ID the 19 alleged hijackers and some turn out to be living people then FBI director Mueller changes the story so that, well, the REAL hijackers were using these stolen identities. The wreckage at the Pentagon and in Pennsylvania doesn't even begin to resemble what would result from your claims that jumbo jets crashed there and you can't produce any video from the numerous surveillance cameras surrounding the military HQ of the most powerful country on earth which was somehow not defended but because somebody says that someone else made some phone calls and somebody says that they collected and IDed DNA of all the passengers you are comfortable that the anomalies are just unexplainable quirks--planes leave wreckage when they crash but hey, you saw a picture on the internet of a man in a suit holding a piece of metal--tell it the jury!

Your commission's report, written by Bush loyalist Philip Zelikow, relies on testimony allegedly given by some muslim guy (Khalid Sheihk Mohammed) who confessed to it all but the commission never saw him or talked to him, relying on a written transcript provided by the CIA--again, what stringent standards for evidence!

Osama bin Laden denies involvement in the attacks but later a videotape is found by the US army conveniently left for them in Afghanistan where he confesses to the whole thing. Except that leading bin Laden experts say it's definitely forged--the video shows bin Laden in some portions and an impersonator in others--for which reason the FBI admits that it has no hard evidence linking bin Laden to the crimes. In other words that video would never stand up in court--but hey, it's good enough for you!

Buildings impossibly disintegrate into pulverized concrete and piles of shredded steel mixed with molten steel, and while we know jet fuel burns 1000 degrees cooler than the temperature at which steel melts, well, there must be some explanation for that but you don't need to know what it could be--because you have faith! A huge skyscraper barely touched by debris collapses straight down in an obviously planned manner and no explanation has been provided (though millions have been spent trying) in 6 years but hey, what the heck--you know it wasn't demolished on purpose so why even bother waiting for an explanation--clearly we are wrong to be concerned.

Scores of Israelis are rounded up shortly after 9/11 and deported quietly after having been found by the FBI to be conducting espionage and surveillance against the US government, and 5 other Israelis are arrested on 9/11 itself after being spotted filming and celebrating while the towers burned. They are discovered to be in the US illegaly working for a Mossad front company, and two are found to be actual Mossad agents. They tell their arresting officers that Palestinians were the problem, and are again, quietly deported. But these are all innocuous activities of course, with no relation to the events of 9/11, or to the fact that Israelis are continuously spying in America--see Jonathan Pollard and Larry Franklin. But Israel of course is a trusted ally! Which is why AIPAC has to strongarm our politicians into sycophantic levels of support for the country that murdered over 30 US sailors in a vicious attack on the USS Liberty in 1967 so as to frame the Arabs. No problem!

The owner of the mysteriously collapsed building 7 just happens to be the biggest campaign contributor of the junior senator from New York, and strangely enough spent millions in a failed bid in the 1990s to establish a free trade zone in Israel to avoid their labor standards and taxes, going so far as to enlist the help of his friends Netanyahu and Sharon. This kindly billionaire also owned a strip club called Runway 69--where only wholesome nude dancing was allowed. Who cares that he signed the lease on the asbestos ridden money losing twin towers 6 weeks before they were conveniently detroyed by arab muslim hijackers and that he made a profit of over 3 billion dollars on the deal--he's just really lucky!

Do I really have to go on?

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nuff said

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