
connecting the fake truth dots
I'm not a hater
>SNIP<
Is muddying the waters with claims that have nothing to do with 911 the best way to hold those people accountable. Is allowing those whose focus is on such matters as cyborg servants to "lead" the 911 truth movement really the best strategy?
You're typing out of your ass
If there are so "many articles on UFOs" on AJ's site you shouldn't have any problem linking to two or three of them, right?
Google is your friend, huh?
Congratulations, you found 25 instances of the word "UFO" on prison planet.
A quick scan reveals that half of those links are reprints of corporate press coverage of the truth movement - that's rich
Now would you mind linking directly to two or three of those "many articles on UFOs"?
Man, what do you think I'm saying
That I don't believe in UFOs? Or that all the stories on prisonplanet.com about UFOs are not credible so we should not trust Alex Jones? As in, he should have better UFO stories?
I'm not challenging the credibility of the UFO stories. I am saying they will be used against him.
I am saying that since he has chosen to spend his carreer investigating crp circles, chemtrails, UFOs and all kinds of other topics which require an extremely open mind, he is not a good representative, or witbness in the 911 case.
It's about perception. Now, I apologise if I offended you. But my personal feeling about AJ aside, my case is really about how Mainstreet will percieve him.
My point was what people who wish to discredit the movement will use his site and the mere fact that they even talk about UFOs to do so.
Personally, I wouldn't doubt that every story on there about UFOs is extremely credible and true.
THAT IS NOT THE POINT.
Dude, you're confused
"he has chosen to spend his carreer investigating crp circles, chemtrails, UFOs"
I don't think we're talking about the same Alex Jones.
metalious, quick! Show us a
metalious, quick! Show us a link to where Alex Jones is investigating UFOs and crop circles. Maybe he has, I've just never seen em and I've been at his site for years.
Why must you slander one of the best 9/11 Truth weapons we have out there? What does that accomplish.
And, about your Bohemian Grove details....Alex Jones says himself that the ones that are open to people like your friends who "get drunk" there are very tame in comparison to the one's only the elite can attend.
I don't know personally, but Alex Jones is hardly ever wrong about things he has researched so much on.
"A strong people needs no
"A strong people needs no leader".
- Zapata
Now you could argue (rather plausibly) that we are anything but a "strong people", but the point here is that we shouldn't be looking for leaders in the first place. A movement based on a few "leaders" can be decapitated; worse still, it can be veered into quack territory a la Fetzer, making us a laughing stock. I fully agree with you that Fetzer and his ilk do great harm to the truth movement. That’s precisely why we should not regard him or anyone else as a tour guide to the land of milk and honey. If we are to become strong we have to stop looking for people to follow and become leaders in our own right.
As for AJ, I disagree with roughly half of what AJ says (politically), but he's no Jim Fetzer. AJ is not out pimping space beams and "no planes". Your argument that he discredits the movement by virtue of his website and its various news articles does not hold water, imo. Why? Well for one, because he’s done more to spread the word about 911 than any other person, especially amongst Christians (who form the bulk of the American population.); also, because those articles on his website (though admittedly outlandish) come from mainstream news sources. It’s a brave new world, friend. Wired magazine, popular mechanics, Scientific American and other cutting journals regularly report on implantable microchips, nanotechnology, LTL’s and other fiendish technologies. Someone has to amass these stories into a pattern, and right now that person is Alex Jones.
Once again, I have profound differences of opinion with Alex Jones on numerous issues; I also think his website is a slap in the face to aesthetics and good judgment ( a “live forever” banner at the top for the page!!?? WTF?). Clearly there are better spokespersons for the movement, for instance Tarpley, Chossudovsky and Griffin.
But plurality is the name of the game. There’s room for AJ and there’s room for Schoenman and there’s room for all the rest of us.
I’d like to hear more about Bohemian Grove and your knowledge thereof. Are you aware of the book the “Franklin Coverup” and the story of an off-season snuff film in the dark woods?
All good points
I may be being a bit hard on Alex Jones. I just see him as an exploiter of the extreme to sell things. Speaking of his website, be sure to check out this page.
But I wasn't really coming from whether he's credible to me, but whether he would be credible to Mainstreet USA. Perhaps I should have made that clearer. But just because I believe he's either a certifiable nutjob (or a guy with a marketing niche) is irrelevent. I already believe 911 was an inside job. My interest is on selling the truth to the American public.
Which is why I am emphasizing the political aspect of this.
Look, I'm an outsider to the conspiracy movement. I have for years worked in both mainstream politics and the media and I know as well as anyone what you guys are up against. Extremely few people in power or authority takes this seriously at all. And as long as the people who somehow seem to always end up in the news or on television - Reynolds, Fetzer, MI6 Assclown, and yes, Alex Jones keep being the face of the movement, it is dead in the water.
Just for the sake of politics, and penetration into the masses, you need people who are as normal, credible and unchallenged in any other field so that the only contriversial thing is they believe 911 was an inside job. Dr Griffin is as good as it gets in this regard. Eloquent, aware of how absurd all this may sound to the uninformed, and rock solid reasonable to turn them around.
More like him please.
I love the infowars shop
I finally got my package from them today - a month late!
But they threw in a free copy of Terrorstorm to make up for it.
I got two 9/11 Was an Inside Job t-shirts and a copy of America: Freedom to Fascism.
Plus a copy of the Constitution and 3 free stickers haha
spreadind the message
metaliuos is 100% correct. If this truth movement is going to go anywhere it needs man & women who can be believed.
I suggest this movement get's behind David Ray Griffin's book 9/11 & American Empire, intellecuals speak out. Everyone should read & push this creditable collection of work.
It was Bob Woodard's "all the president's men" that was the rock behind bringing down Nixon.
http://www.amazon.com/11-American-Empire-Intellectuals-Speak/dp/15665665...
Police Lie, Say Browns Not Under Siege Despite Presence Of Six APC's, Helicopters, Fully Armed Special Ops Teams
Infowars goes inside the Brown's property to counter mainstream media blackoutInfowars.net | June 8, 2007
Steve Watson
Infowars reporters Luke Rudkowski and Matt Lepacek have bravely entered the property of income tax protesters Ed and Elaine Brown in Plainfield New Hampshire as it continues to be surveilled by armed and camouflaged US marshals operating in the area with APC's to shoot video and document the scene in the wake of a typically cowardly mainstream media blackout.
Rudkowski briefly joined Alex Jones on air today along with the Browns themselves and expert correspondent Jack McLamb to recount the dramatic events of yesterday.
Officers have told the AP that the show of force was just a precaution, despite the fact that authorities erected roadblocks a mile around, evacuated neighbors, cut the Brown's phone and power lines and deployed six helicopters along with a SWAT team and six more APC's just to serve warrant.
These are blatant lies and anyone who is capable of holding one thought in their head knows this.
The siege began 3 days ago when the Brown's property was over flown first by two small biplanes and then by a surveillance drone, flying at approximately 5000 feet, shining a bright light down onto the house and the land in the vicinity.
Ed Brown believes that it was a global hawk drone, one of the most sophisticated unmanned aircraft normally used by the US military in war zones such as Iraq and Afghanistan.
That night the power went off in evening and the phone lines were cut. In the morning Brown's friend Danny Riley was walking the dog when he encountered a team of special ops agents hiding out in the trees close to the long driveway at the property. In fear for his life he turned and ran and has since described being shot at , before being forced to his knees and tasered then detained and questioned for several hours before being sent back to his home in New York. If Riley had not accidentally walked into those men then the Browns would probably be dead now.
Originally Riley was told by marshals under the threat of 20 years imprisonment that they wanted him to go back the the house and lie, saying he had been arrested by two police officers. The officers seemingly aborted this plan, choosing to eject Riley from the area.
The operation was interrupted and the siege was called off, yet the Marshals have lied to the media, once again stating that they do not intend to initiate a violent confrontation. The events yesterday represent a planned siege that was only aborted after Riley's disappearance gave the Browns early warning that militarized police and SWAT teams were descending on their home.
Elaine Brown told Infowars that there were at least 14 agents along the driveway in camouflage with rifles, in addition to over head surveillance and several APC's blocking the road.
All this to serve a piece of paper?
Ed Brown described the scene that morning:
"All of a sudden I heard 2 shots, the dog came tearing down the drive and went into the house, right by me. Riley walked into a total of 12 black ops team members. He exposed their clandestine op, told him to freeze, and he turned and ran.
That meant their intention was to kill us, if they were going to kill an unarmed man at the end of my driveway. This means they have lied to us, they have no honor."
Lawman and Constitutional expert Jack McLamb, who was present with the Weaver family during the siege at Ruby Ridge in 1992 was clear about who he believes is behind these events:
"This is coming from the top of our government with the use of high powered drones and the like. We've got to try and think about what they are trying to do with this, are they trying to provoke us into armed Revolution?"McLamb also had strong words for the local Sheriff who has reportedly skipped town:
"I wanna say to Sheriff Prozzo you are a coward because we sent you proof showing that you are the sovereign power to protect the people in that county, you're not out of town, stand up and take command of the situation and protect this family that has done nothing criminal. Get out of your hiding place."
Ed Brown also revealed that the US Marshals involved are working with Massachusetts and Maine state police, in violation of 10th amendment.
Brown asserted he will not surrender his liberty and had choice words for his elite stalkers:
"For all intents and purposes there is no law and order anymore in this country. We don't have warrior class people, you are a bunch a cowards using omnipotent tactics like the KGB did, we are through talking with these people nationwide, not just me and wife. It's too late already, if anything happens to us we will be reciprocal, we will protect the sake of our community and our nation. we are obligated under the Constitution to protect this nation.
If they wish to take out lives and send us to the creator it will do far far more damage to them, that's why all the safeties are off all around the property and they can come in whenever they like."
Ed's wife Elaine echoed his sentiments and sent a clear message to American patriots everywhere:
"Don't believe anything they tell you because they lie. For months Gary Martino the US marshal has continued to assure us that they have no intention to come in here and raid us. The entire judicial system is a department of injustice, there are no courts left, the only time they observe the law is when it is to their advantage. We are with the Lord and the Lord's laws, we have turned our back on the courts and man's laws because they only worked to man's advantage.
Americans need to stand up, all that is needed for evil to abound is for good people to do nothing. Get up, stand up, say no, do not allow yourself to be intimidated, learn the law, learn your rights. Our children have been sold to slavery. Boycott, boycott boycott."
The Browns have told Infowars that they are very much at peace, and do not fear what lies ahead. Elaine Brown delivered a final stark and moving message to all their supporters:
"I want everyone to remember us, and we'll see you on the other side"Rudkowski and Lepacek are continuing to document the scene.
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