of course they are not totally irrelevant--to maximize the effect of truthing we have to take the bad with the good. we can't simply depend on 911b without challenging it however, and what happened was that when we challenged it some of us were kicked off and then the comment moderation began. even shill operations can benefit the movement as long as we keep raising the bar that the shills have to meet to be taken seriously. If Jon Gold fixates on Patsystan, we call him out and force him to balance his truthing to try to maintain his credibility. If Uncle Fetz goes off on DEW acid trips with Judy Jetson-Wood then we smack him down hard. We exert, in orther words, our grassroots power so as to send a warning to would be infiltrators and obfuscators that they had better tread carefully. We know they can't ignore us anymore--that was a victory in our win column. Now we have to show them that they can't try to deceive us either. Eventually we will be flexing our muscle in one final challenge--to turn the limited hangout they will try to win us over with into the whole truth enchilada.