hi, Ningen here. I posted this at another blog here, but this is where it belongs. Sorry.

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Submitted by GeorgeWashington on Wed, 07/04/2007 - 9:22pm

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Jon Gold commented:

I think...

There's a simple solution to this. For those that decide they would rather bash individuals, or the information they promote because it doesn't coincide with whatever "pet theory" they have rather than contribute something to the site, and to the cause, then ban them. There's nothing wrong with banning people.

Comments should be used to post supporting information (for whatever blog you're posting in), and the exchanging of ideas for activism.

Submitted by Jon Gold on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 5:36am

I responded:

Thank you, Jon, for stating what this is really about

This has nothing to do with "civility." It has to with certain theories, promoted by certain people who claim that these theories, and only these theories, are in the interest of the cause, and who do not want those theories questioned.

Many disputes arose from accusations of "disinfo," which is uncivil but is a much bigger issue. I was one of the persons often accused of disinformation. I would then respond and explain why I believed that what I was saying was accurate. Much of my discussion of no planes was in this context, meaning that the problem was created by the false and gratuitous attacks. I would of course, quite reasonably, respond with anger at being slandered. Eventually, I identified myself by name and location and asked the anonymous cowards slandering me to do the same, or cease their slander.

I was also accused of an insidious plot to insinuate myself by sounding reasonable and agreeing with a lot of what people say. That is false and ludicrous.

I contributed to correcting misinformation. An example is greenback, who was pushing false claims about DoD regulations, which were explained early on by

I actually disagree with the Mineta theory, because I think it has nowhere near the significance attributed to it, and might even be disinformation of the limited hangout type. Nevertheless, I corrected greenback's information (and Adam Letalik's mistake about the time Mineta entered PEOC) because I didn't want it spread.

Reprehensor, do you plan on checking all the facts that are posted? Can you do that? Don't you see that comments, properly cited, are very useful in correcting misinformation? Can't you see that corrected misinformation is useful independent of the theory held by the corrector, as facts fit into various theories and must be accurate?

Another serious issue is that the rules of this blog were not followed. Comments are supposed to be downrated for violations of the rules, not mere disagreement.

It would be better to hide all comments, for reasons of space and allow people to click on comments or threads of comments.

Jon, many of the disputes arose from users that voted against your blogs, you complaining about that, and people explaining why they did that. You have a "pet theory," and you want to be able to promote that theory here without being questioned. Thank you for being fairly honest about that.

Arabesque has evaded this issue, and the issue of accusations of disinformation creating problems, in his reply to my comment at Reprehensor's blog. I generally agreed with much of what he said in his reply, because his "reply" did not address anything I said.